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43 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Wut?

Please, he hit all the weird Zionist notes and wasn't even subtle about it. It's a "war", it's "tragic" but people die in war. Clearly insinuating that they deserve the extermination taking place. Referencing a war in which we killed a million fucking people as an example of not going far enough. Blaming a powerless coalition of minority voters for Trump being in office. 

The only note he didn't hit was outright genocide denial but that's a pretty short hop away from what was already posted. 

It's tired, stupid bullshit that no one who has the first clue about the history of the conflict would ever post.

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If that fuck running Israel had some color to his skin, I wonder how long ago he would have been put out to pasture?

And if you don’t understand politics in Israel, you’ll take that as antisemitic.  It’s not.  

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29 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

If that fuck running Israel had some color to his skin, I wonder how long ago he would have been put out to pasture?

He'd have been in prison or worse long ago if he didn't have the support of the US government.

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Posted
6 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm case anyone is confused, Israel does this on purpose. They've killed hundreds of journalists over the years in this same way. It's not an accident, it's policy.

They assassinated an American citizen doing journalism in the WB, lied about it until that was no longer tenable, and we didn’t do shit about it. It’s just amazing. 

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I'm sure those journalists looked like Hamas so it's totally fine they were murdered by the IDF. Or Hamas was next to those tents. Or in that hospital or whatever excuse people will come up with to try to justify these repeated actions by Israel. 

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40 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I'm sure those journalists looked like Hamas so it's totally fine they were murdered by the IDF. Or Hamas was next to those tents. Or in that hospital or whatever excuse people will come up with to try to justify these repeated actions by Israel. 

Oh, they're not even playing around with that any longer. The IDF claims al-Sharif was the head of a terrorist cell, claiming evidence that the BBC finds "unconvincing".

To date, 186 journalists have been killed in Gaza since the start of Israel's military offensive. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, flatdawgs said:

Oh, they're not even playing around with that any longer. The IDF claims al-Sharif was the head of a terrorist cell, claiming evidence that the BBC finds "unconvincing".

Sweatergod, it's like the summer of 2020 when the chuds only response was "ANTIFA!!!" to anything and everything that was happening. Police teakettling and pummeling peaceful protesters with rubber bullets and flashbands? Must have been antifa nearby riling them up. 

Just a complete and willful lack of critical thinking to go along and get along with the fascism their lying eyes keeps seeing

Posted
9 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Sweatergod, it's like the summer of 2020 when the chuds only response was "ANTIFA!!!" to anything and everything that was happening. Police teakettling and pummeling peaceful protesters with rubber bullets and flashbands? Must have been antifa nearby riling them up. 

Just a complete and willful lack of critical thinking to go along and get along with the fascism their lying eyes keeps seeing

Ah, it reminds me of the always-elevated "terrorism alert level" post-9/11, which never seemed to change color except prior to elections. Hell, here in WA the state ferry terminals still have signs at the docks saying "Current security level: MARSEC 1" even though nobody remembers (or ever knew) what that even means any longer.

Posted
19 minutes ago, flatdawgs said:

Ah, it reminds me of the always-elevated "terrorism alert level" post-9/11, which never seemed to change color except prior to elections. 

Haha, yeah.  Same in Harris County with the Covid Color alert levels.

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I think it's hard for us Americans to really understand Zionism. It's like how the average Americans didn't understand the extremism of islam before 9/11 (though now we are starting to really see it with extremists of our own stripe). 

For Zionist's and some fervent Jews, the land is theirs. It's through a covenant with God and it's a birthright. It was given initially under the auspices of genocide (e.g. back-half of the Torah, Joshua, etc.) and so to persist with genocidal tendencies should not be shocking. Modern theory and applications of war and what is acceptable for thee, not me, when it comes to relgious-based war (on both all sides).

I think there should be zero bones about it, Israel is trying to rid their land and take it back in total (West Bank & Gaza) because (from their minds) a) God is good and faithful to his chosen people b) it's been written and c) Might is Right.

I think once Gaza has been taken, Dome of the Rock needs to be on alert.

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I think ascribing a broad religious motive to what is pretty obviously just a fascist colonial project is pretty silly, and is actually just putting a thin coat of varnish on a big pile of shit (not that I think that's your intent here, I just think you're being a bit naive). There is not a single person in Netanyahu's inner circle that gives a shit about the religious aspects, they just want land and power.

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26 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I think ascribing a broad religious motive to what is pretty obviously just a fascist colonial project is pretty silly, and is actually just putting a thin coat of varnish on a big pile of shit (not that I think that's your intent here, I just think you're being a bit naive). There is not a single person in Netanyahu's inner circle that gives a shit about the religious aspects, they just want land and power.

He's probably just posting whatever ChatGPT told him.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

I think ascribing a broad religious motive to what is pretty obviously just a fascist colonial project is pretty silly, and is actually just putting a thin coat of varnish on a big pile of shit (not that I think that's your intent here, I just think you're being a bit naive). There is not a single person in Netanyahu's inner circle that gives a shit about the religious aspects, they just want land and power.

You are probably right. It just felt like fundamentally there are some base case issues at play and my mind wandered back to a religious foundation. I’m ignorant to what Israel Jewish society is like these days, but if I had to guess it’s probably as secular as ours and what religious zealots exist are as warped from the original intent as ours as well.

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9 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

I think pondering the differences between intifada and Zionism is interesting. Particularly whether one is morally or ethically more righteous than the other. 

In that sense it is interesting. Not to turn this into a full-on religious discussion, but I've long said Christianity and Islam have more in common than they appreciate on the surface with respect to Judaism being the odd man out of the three Abrahamic religions (or the sole legitimate odd man in, depending on your perspective).

Posted
1 hour ago, GW Hayduke said:

I think pondering the differences between intifada and Zionism is interesting. Particularly whether one is morally or ethically more righteous than the other. 

Intifada is just a word that means uprising or rebellion. The Holocaust Museum here in the US called the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising the Warsaw Ghetto Intifada until 2024, when a bunch of bleating morons decided using that Arabic word was antisemitic and scary, and switched to using a different Arabic word instead, ironically.

Zionism is a political ideology that is inherently colonial and requires violent conquest by its definitional nature. You can try to ponder the differences between them, but it's also important to understand that they are not the same thing at all and the necessarily facist and exterminationist nature of Zionism exclude it from being morally or ethically righteous.

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Posted
19 hours ago, Hermanator said:

 

Chris Hedges has been an unrelenting drum beat of information on the genocide in Gaza. That is a great channel if you want to learn some inconvenient shit about USA and it’s involvement, suppression here at home, and history of the Zionist movement.

You will not be uplifted, however.

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1 hour ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Fuck outta here, pronghorn! You've got a grainy unsourced screenshot that validates your biases? That never happens!

This is, of course, a completely fabricated image. A very poor attempt to look like a Telegram screenshot. Pretty sad that's what he's reduced to, posting nonsense that only fools statsman and refusing to engage otherwise. What a pussy!

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Posted
31 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Wait, did he really delete his post with his bullshit image and try to get away with it? What a pussy. Man up that you posted bullshit.

I don't think users can delete their own posts, I think it's mods memory holing the bad behavior quietly and hoping they'll stop. However unfortunately, being an idiot is not against the rules.

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Posted
14 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

In that sense it is interesting. Not to turn this into a full-on religious discussion, but I've long said Christianity and Islam have more in common than they appreciate on the surface with respect to Judaism being the odd man out of the three Abrahamic religions (or the sole legitimate odd man in, depending on your perspective).

No, on nearly every level Islam and Judaism are brother religions and Christianity is the odd cousin. This goes for everything from the nature of a singular God, methods and understanding of divine revelation, how to approach sacred texts, the relationship of the faithful to a community, the role of faith in governance and social ordering, and what it means to be part of the faith community.

Unsurprising, really, as most of Muhammad’s ideas about monotheism were filtered to him via Judaism. 

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

No, on nearly every level Islam and Judaism are brother religions and Christianity is the odd cousin. This goes for everything from the nature of a singular God, methods and understanding of divine revelation, how to approach sacred texts, the relationship of the faithful to a community, the role of faith in governance and social ordering, and what it means to be part of the faith community.

Unsurprising, really, as most of Muhammad’s ideas about monotheism were filtered to him via Judaism. 

Upon more reflection this does make a lot of sense to me. I guess I was speaking from the lens of Judaism being the Patriach of the Abrahamic religions (e.g. Jacob/Israel) and the Israelites/Hebrews being God's chosen race, with both Islam and Christianity being offshoots and later "grafted onto the vine". But I see that interpretation actually does fall short when you explain it that way and, to the point of the current events, makes the Israel/Palestine and Jew/Muslim dynamic even more contested and impossibly complicated and inherently conflicted when looking at current events from a religious (non-secular) point of view (again, not a given based on @BrickHorns comments of actual drivers today).

Posted
1 hour ago, Questlove said:

I don't know if you can call one righteous versus the other.  One is clearly more dangerous than the other. If you look at reach one is focused on occupying a small valuable piece of land while "globalize the intifada" is self-explanatory.

Another way to look at it is which regime would most people prefer to live under? Which is more tolerant and advanced? Pretty self explanatory.

 

We’d be fine. But women… yikes. 

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57 minutes ago, Hitch said:

We’d be fine. But women… yikes. 

Are we talking about Israel, where it's estimated one in five women have been raped, where there is rampant gender segregation, where there is heavy discrimination against women in the religious courts that govern marriage and divorce that make it extremely difficult for women to get out of abusive marriages, where "modesty guards" often publicly use violence and intimidation against women they target for any number of made up reasons, and where there are no women in senior decision-making positions in either the government or military?

I'm not saying things are any better for women in Gaza specifically, but let's not throw stones from glass houses, what do you say?

Nice try, though. Don't worry, I'll be here in a couple days when you come up with your next line of bullshit.

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Posted
19 hours ago, Questlove said:

I don't know if you can call one righteous versus the other.  One is clearly more dangerous than the other. If you look at reach one is focused on occupying a small valuable piece of land while "globalize the intifada" is self-explanatory.

Another way to look at it is which regime would most people prefer to live under? Which is more tolerant and advanced? Pretty self explanatory.

 

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Is this Gru?

Posted
1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

Damn straight. Here in Texas, ain’t no raping. No, sir!

I jest, because I see a weird flex in your post.

I do my flexing in front of a mirror like a real badass, thank you. 

Posted
34 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I do my flexing in front of a mirror like a real badass, thank you. 

In a better world, being a US citizen would be flex enough, at least where women are concerned. We should strive to make that happen.

Posted
28 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

In a better world, being a US citizen would be flex enough, at least where women are concerned. We should strive to make that happen.

I’ll do a poll when the women in my life get home and see if they’d rather live in Gaza. I’ll get back to ya. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I’ll do a poll when the women in my life get home and see if they’d rather live in Gaza. I’ll get back to ya. 

No need. My house would have a similar reaction. Does that make you want a cookie?

 

Posted
22 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Are we talking about Israel, where it's estimated one in five women have been raped, where there is rampant gender segregation, where there is heavy discrimination against women in the religious courts that govern marriage and divorce that make it extremely difficult for women to get out of abusive marriages, where "modesty guards" often publicly use violence and intimidation against women they target for any number of made up reasons, and where there are no women in senior decision-making positions in either the government or military?

I'm not saying things are any better for women in Gaza specifically, but let's not throw stones from glass houses, what do you say?

Nice try, though. Don't worry, I'll be here in a couple days when you come up with your next line of bullshit.

The destination of choice for pedophiles.

Posted
1 hour ago, Hitch said:

I’ll do a poll when the women in my life get home and see if they’d rather live in Gaza. I’ll get back to ya. 

Seems like a legitimate sampling and not at all biased in any way.

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