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7 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

We get that you'd love the world to be fair, but we're just pointing out the obvious truths about how the world actually operates.  

Yes, in a perfect world, a corpse should be enough to beat Trump.  Sadly, that's just not that case and many of us aren't "Johnny come Latelys" to the idea that Biden shouldn't be running in 2024.  I was calling pointing this out the moment it became clear Trump was running again.  But was called foolish and reactionary by members of this board... some of the same folks who are still poo-pooing the idea.

But the Dem party is completely incompetent and thinks people should wait until it's "their turn". 

What is your point, man? You have two choices. Fascism or not fascism. That's it. The time to bitch about the choices was a long fucking time ago. South Park made an episode about it. We didn't change it then and here we are. So either get your head out of your ass and vote "not facism" or don't. It might be too late in all honesty.

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Welcome to finally figuring out what it's like being a Democrat, I guess. 

Yep, I guess the bright side is that their impotence in the face of destruction may give rise to something more effectual as an oppositional force to fascism.

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what if the dems did a 5head move.

Biden steps down as President, Kamala Harris is sworn in as President. Campaign finance rules stick because ticket is same so don't have to re-raise money and you get to keep the incumbent advantage because Kamala is actually president. 

Boom. The good guys win. 

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26 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Do they have the same reaction to Trump babbling a bunch of lies and nonsense? The right supports and emboldens him through everything. The left is now undermining their own guy despite his actual words and accomplishments. Replacing him now is just a sign of surrender. He looked fine the next morning on the campaign trail. Why no mention of that? Because we pretend that debates are something special, they aren't anymore. 

Trump lying is the norm. He’s monstrous. It’s expected. What was shocking and worth sharing was Biden’s complete inability to speak. To any outside observer, it’s abundantly clear that he’s no longer running the country (and hasn’t been for a while)… Which implies that Biden’s circle and party leadership have been boldfaced in lying to the American public for months/years.

And no, no one was impressed by Biden reading a pre-prepared speech off of a teleprompter the next morning. The damage was done.

 

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8 minutes ago, immamac said:

what if the dems did a 5head move.

Biden steps down as President, Kamala Harris is sworn in as President. Campaign finance rules stick because ticket is same so don't have to re-raise money and you get to keep the incumbent advantage because Kamala is actually president. 

Boom. The good guys win. 

I love it.  That would help see what can be unburdened by what has been.

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11 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

What is your point, man? You have two choices. Fascism or not fascism. That's it. The time to bitch about the choices was a long fucking time ago. South Park made an episode about it. We didn't change it then and here we are. So either get your head out of your ass and vote "not facism" or don't. It might be too late in all honesty.

The bolded is my point, which is why I favor the Hail Mary of a new candidate.

Will it work?  I have no idea, but that's how low my confidence is that the current strategy will save us from fascism.

Right now, I think there's a 95% chance Trump wins... maybe someone like Whitmer (not Newsome) takes it down to 85% which is good enough for me.

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Another question: what the fuck does it matter what we think when the Supreme court just told us they are on the payroll? Every major decision from now on will be run through them. Guess who is calling the shots on how they will rule? It certainly isn't up to them anymore. They are a kangaroo court now. The time to stop these fascist cunts was when they were messing with the high courts. People should have been kicked out of congress. People should have gone to jail. Instead they were enabled.

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3 minutes ago, ATXhorn17 said:

Trump lying is the norm. He’s monstrous. It’s expected. What was shocking and worth sharing was Biden’s complete inability to speak. To any outside observer, it’s abundantly clear that he’s no longer running the country (and hasn’t been for a while)… Which implies that Biden’s circle and party leadership have been boldfaced in lying to the American public for months/years.

And no, no one was impressed by Biden reading a pre-prepared speech off of a teleprompter the next morning. The damage was done.

 

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46 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I get that the building's engulfed in flames, Fire Marshall Grandpa is fumbling with the fire hose trying to figure out which end to hold and that you and the Democratic party are telling us no one else more capable can take the fire hose from Grandpa to attempt to put out the fire.  Because Grandpa was elected Fire Marshall and there are no contingencies for replacing him when he inevitably got too old to perform and so we all just have to be patient with him as we're incinerated.

That is a bullshit and unacceptable answer.


Well you can't make people run for President and I don't believe that any of the alternatives who have been proposed are inclined to do so.

 

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1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


Well you can't make people run for President and I don't believe that any of the alternatives who have been proposed are inclined to do so.

 

If Biden announced today that he isn't running, you would immediately have a swarm of democratic candidates. Including probably everyone being discussed here, with the exception of Michelle Obama. 

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50 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I get that the building's engulfed in flames, Fire Marshall Grandpa is fumbling with the fire hose trying to figure out which end to hold and that you and the Democratic party are telling us no one else more capable can take the fire hose from Grandpa to attempt to put out the fire.  Because Grandpa was elected Fire Marshall and there are no contingencies for replacing him when he inevitably got too old to perform and so we all just have to be patient with him as we're incinerated.

That is a bullshit and unacceptable answer.

This is a great analogy.  We don't want the old Fire Marshall that is fumbling with the fire hose, but the other choice is to make the Fire Marshall the guy that lit the fucking building on fire and chanted let's burn this motherfucker to the ground and when we are done let's light all the rest of the buildings on fire also.  I choose the old guy and hope that he hires some firemen that no what the fuck they are doing, but that's just me.   Yes, I get this about switching Biden out but that isn't going to happen in my opinion for reasons already stated. 

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21 minutes ago, Foosters said:

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You're right -- I shouldn't jump to conclusions! I'm sure Thursday night was the very first time Biden has struggled cognitively. Biden's inner circle, the white house, and party officials probably had zero inkling this was a possibility. To this point, they thought Biden was the poster boy for mental acuity... Biden taking the fewest interviews of any modern sitting president is just a funny coincidence. 

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1 minute ago, ATXhorn17 said:

You're right -- I shouldn't jump to conclusions! I'm sure Thursday night was the very first time Biden has struggled cognitively. Biden's inner circle, the white house, and party officials probably had zero inkling this was a possibility. To this point, they thought Biden was the poster boy for mental acuity... Biden taking the fewest interviews of any modern sitting president is just a funny coincidence. 

That's . . . not what you said?

You said that he's checked out and there's a shadow government running things and lying to the American People. What you've posted above has nothing to do with your original post. 

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5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

If Biden announced today that he isn't running, you would immediately have a swarm of democratic candidates. Including probably everyone being discussed here, with the exception of Michelle Obama. 

That's the problem.

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To berate a Lobo iteration, Biden's strongest asset is he has put very, very capable and smart people into high levels of his staff, cabinet, and administration.  They are the ones boosting the economy, improving health, invigorating our infrastructure, backfilling weapon systems to our NATO allies to assist Ukraine, crippling China, improving our environmental quality while boosting hydrocarbon E&P, all while trying to make housing and education better.  Most of you are smart people, you know that you're not voting for a person, you're voting for the administration they will deploy from Fed Chair to Sec. of Defense to EPA Chief to Asst, Sec, of Labor,  But the paradox is Joe can't run on his team's success because it makes him look disconnected and incapable.  Trump's attrition rate and incapability of his team is laughable.  I'd start punching there.  

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17 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That's the problem.

If you take all the importance of everything out of it.... It would be absolutely fucking crazy and amazing to watch. 

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It may not look good at this point, but the "Overreact" is crazy as pointed out. The below is why Biden can still win as Newsweek points out. We just need to make sure everyone knows Trump keeps saying he's going to eliminate the constitution and take over as dictator. He will be just like Stalin. 

Biden Campaign Reacts to Supreme Court Ruling - Newsweek

 

Supreme Court Just Gave Joe Biden New Protection: Lawyer - Newsweek

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Posted
2 hours ago, Skipper said:

Too many Cloak Room regulars still whistling past the graveyard.  Much like Trump, Biden is flat out not fit for office.  Certainly not another 4 year term.  The decline has been significant.  The clear result for those that think neither is fit for office is more votes for RFK or people just not showing up.   I don't think Biden can recover.  

Some of y’all need Jesus and a lesson on identifying fascist concern trolling. The quoted post is a prime example of the latter. 

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48 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

What is the name of this Hail Mary?

Pete, Kamala, Gavin, Josh, Gretchen (Go Green Go White) there's a shitload and I realize it most certainly will be Kamala. 

Anyone who can address an abortion question by not pivoting to immigration. Anyone who can succinctly point out the structural barriers the republicans are building and want to build into democracy.  

Literally everyone one who was going to vote for Biden anyway will support them, literally everyone who was supporting Biden will be more energized by them, and literally every independent who is on the fence will think they are a better alternative than Biden.

Was my fantasy two years ago, is my fantasy now, and is only a fantasy.

 

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Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Some of y’all need Jesus and a lesson on identifying fascist concern trolling. The quoted post is a prime example of the latter. 

Be on the lookout today for all the concern trolling and bot accounts spreading more disinformation. 

Biden is old/senile/not running the country
Watch out for the bait and switch for Newsom, Hillary, Pete, etc. - it was the DNC plan all along to keep legitimate challengers like Bernie from running
Project 2025 is overblown
Vote third party, it's the only way to end the duopoly and both parties are the same
Never would have been in this mess if everyone voted for Bernie in 2016, he'd be finishing up his second term

IGNORE IT! 

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I guess the way I look at this is as if we were playing for the national championship.  Quinn has taken us there, but he breaks his throwing hand before the championship. He's still a better quarterback than the other guy, and Texas is still embued with more cosmic goodness, and hasn't he won all the games until now?

But the betting odds drop since we've got no more passing game. Ohio State are still the scumbags they always were.

So are we not going to give Manning or ANY of the other reserve quarterbacks a chance?  And aren't our odds going to go up with all of those alternatives?

Are you disagreeing with the premise or are you just thinking we are all trolls for discussing it, because discussing it makes it worse?

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1 minute ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I guess the way I look at this is as if we were playing for the national championship.  Quinn has taken us there, but he breaks his throwing hand before the championship. He's still a better quarterback than the other guy, and Texas is still embued with more cosmic goodness, and hasn't he won all the games until now?

But the betting odds drop since we've got no more passing game. Ohio State are still the scumbags they always were.

So are we not going to give Manning or ANY of the other reserve quarterbacks a chance?  And aren't our odds going to go up with all of those alternatives?

Are you disagreeing with the premise or are you just thinking we are all trolls for discussing it, because discussing it makes it worse?

If you're talking about giving Manning a chance that's one thing. If you're talking about pulling a random guy out of the crowd who you've never seen throw a football because he looks pretty that's a completely different thing. 

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Or, you just watched a plane crash into a mountain. "Stay the course! We can still put the plane back together and get it flying."

No you can't. You need a new plane and a new pilot.

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

If you're talking about giving Manning a chance that's one thing. If you're talking about pulling a random guy out of the crowd who you've never seen throw a football because he looks pretty that's a completely different thing. 

And after the starter throws an interception early in the game. Massive overreactions still ongoing I see. 

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29 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Be on the lookout today for all the concern trolling and bot accounts spreading more disinformation. 

Biden is old/senile/not running the country
Watch out for the bait and switch for Newsom, Hillary, Pete, etc. - it was the DNC plan all along to keep legitimate challengers like Bernie from running
Project 2025 is overblown
Vote third party, it's the only way to end the duopoly and both parties are the same
Never would have been in this mess if everyone voted for Bernie in 2016, he'd be finishing up his second term

IGNORE IT! 

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I'd argue that your first point isn't disinformation, but aside from that, who are you talking to?

I haven't seen anyone here floating the idea that voting 3rd party is the answer, nor that Project 2025 is "overblown". 

As for Bernie, I do think Bernie would beaten Trump in 2016, because a lot of Bernie bros were just looking for change to the status quo, and ended up gravitating to Trump.  But I certainly don't think he was the best candidate the Dems could have run...IE he's older than Biden.

But sitting Presidents with June approval ratings under 40% haven't fared well historically...Biden is sitting at 37%.  

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Ignore it at your own peril.

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17 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Or, you just watched a plane crash into a mountain. "Stay the course! We can still put the plane back together and get it flying."

No you can't. You need a new plane and a new pilot.

The pilot in this scenario is the decider.

So, yeah.

Posted
1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

But sitting Presidents with June approval ratings under 40% haven't fared well historically...Biden is sitting at 37%.  

Ignore it at your own peril.

It's not up to us. 

Posted
15 minutes ago, 'stache said:

And after the starter throws an interception early in the game. Massive overreactions still ongoing I see. 

If Quinn's completion percentage is sitting at 37% through early October with our WR corp, I'm definitely going to be calling for Manning to play against ou.

If that's overreacting, then so be it...

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57 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Some of y’all need Jesus and a lesson on identifying fascist concern trolling. The quoted post is a prime example of the latter. 

JFC this board gets dumber by the day.

Posted
2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's not up to us. 

Hey man, if the play here is to go all Clayton Williams and lay back and enjoy fascism then let me know so I can start buying my MAGA gear to fit in.

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21 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Wait, so who is the Matt Nordgren in this scenario?  

If Kamala can bounce pass a ball into the endzone to secure our future, I'm all for it. 

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3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

If Quinn's completion percentage is sitting at 37% through early October with our WR corp, I'm definitely going to be calling for Manning to play against ou.

If that's overreacting, then so be it...

To be clear, you would prefer that Kamala Harris be the candidate? Because I don’t know how many who also want to replace Biden would agree with you, but I know many wouldn’t.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

To be clear, you would prefer that Kamala Harris be the candidate? Because I don’t know how many who also want to replace Biden would agree with you, but I know many wouldn’t.

Asked and answered... I want Gretchen.  

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6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Hey man, if the play here is to go all Clayton Williams and lay back and enjoy fascism then let me know so I can start buying my MAGA gear to fit in.

Hey man, do you have a plan to convince Joe Biden to stand down?

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3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Asked and answered... I want Gretchen.  

I honestly don't know much about her, other than that the magats in her state tried to have her killed.  What makes her so great?

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3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Funny how that happened when you resumed posting here.

When you have your meltdown on election night wondering how the F this happened, just don't forget those you label a 'fascist' for having the audacity to tell you it was going to happen if he's not replaced.  Douchebag.

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

When you have your meltdown on election night wondering how the F this happened, just don't forget those you label a 'fascist' for having the audacity to tell you it was going to happen if he's not replaced.  Douchebag.

How do you replace him if he doesn't want to be replaced?

That's what we're dealing with. It's a massive problem.

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5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

How do you replace him if he doesn't want to be replaced?

That's what we're dealing with. It's a massive problem.

Someone should be working overtime to convince him and frankly to convince Newsome to risk what is probably a much easier path in '28.  It's a terrible situation but it's the hand they were dealt by not making a tough decision 18 months ago (assuming this steep decline was recognized within his inner circle).  As it stands now, Trump is going to win barring a miracle (death, incapacity or somehow an even worse cognitive decline moment).   

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