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5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know how anyone could write that in good conscience.

Apparently you’ve never met the Naperville Politics Guy…

 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't know how anyone could write that in good conscience.

How about this one:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/08/politics/kamala-harris-foreign-diplomacy/index.html

Inside Kamala Harris’ yearslong crash course in foreign diplomacy

"Vice President Kamala Harris has met more than 150 world leaders since becoming vice president."

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When I think of "crash course", I don't think of something that takes years, and a "crash course in foreign diplomacy" seems to be different than meeting "more than 150 world leaders over the last three and a half years".

But I don't know, maybe college degrees are "crash courses" in whatever subject matter you are studying.

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5 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 



The replies are priceless.

"They are trying to get the disaffected “Roman who are tired of those illegal Barbarians, Franks, Visigoths, and Picts takng away our jobs” vote!!!"

"Romanes eunt domus"  (for the Monty Python/Life of Brian fans)

"Latin for Latino voters."

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"They are trying to get the disaffected “Roman who are tired of those illegal Barbarians, Franks, Visigoths, and Picts takng away our jobs” vote!!!"

That is probably a substantial voting block in Gaul.

@RDCanecutter this smells like an opportunity.

Maybe we can get some Celtic and Welsh signs printed up.

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9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

"They are trying to get the disaffected “Roman who are tired of those illegal Barbarians, Franks, Visigoths, and Picts takng away our jobs” vote!!!"

That is probably a substantial voting block in Gaul.

@RDCanecutter this smells like an opportunity.

Maybe we can get some Celtic and Welsh signs printed up.

I know just who to call.

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23 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

This is so cringey. Florida may be closer than we think. Trump wins but man there doesn’t seem to be much enthusiasm for Trump, and Kamala events are raucous.

 

Rick Wilson spilled the beans on X, she and Don Jr are no longer together.  Surprising they still let here hang around in Mar-a-Lago. 



 

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10 minutes ago, Haphap said:

Rick Wilson spilled the beans on X, she and Don Jr are no longer together.  Surprising they still let here hang around in Mar-a-Lago. 



 

I'm sure she has a bunch of dick picks to use as leverage.  

 

For example: 

Spoiler

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17 minutes ago, Haphap said:

Rick Wilson spilled the beans on X, she and Don Jr are no longer together.  Surprising they still let here hang around in Mar-a-Lago. 



 

Every member is rich enough just to throw sofa change at Kim for her Remora  lips sessions. 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

"They are trying to get the disaffected “Roman who are tired of those illegal Barbarians, Franks, Visigoths, and Picts takng away our jobs” vote!!!"

That is probably a substantial voting block in Gaul.

@RDCanecutter this smells like an opportunity.

Maybe we can get some Celtic and Welsh signs printed up.

It's actually the first thing that MAGA (singular MAGVM) have done that I respect.

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8 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 



The replies are priceless.

"They are trying to get the disaffected “Roman who are tired of those illegal Barbarians, Franks, Visigoths, and Picts takng away our jobs” vote!!!"

"Romanes eunt domus"  (for the Monty Python/Life of Brian fans)

"Latin for Latino voters."



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sic semper panthera

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Posted
On 9/7/2024 at 9:53 PM, Jive Turkey said:

This is so cringey. Florida may be closer than we think. Trump wins but man there doesn’t seem to be much enthusiasm for Trump, and Kamala events are raucous.

 

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20 minutes ago, Frank The Tank said:

Hang on…Ice Cube is MAGA?

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/ice-cube-celebrities-rappers-embracing-trump-personal-decision

Rapper and actor Ice Cube thinks voting for Trump or Biden will come down to a "personal decision" for most Americans, despite indications that the former president is receiving an influx of influential supporters — including some in the entertainment industry.

"I think it's a personal decision. I don't know if they care if any rappers or entertainers get up there and say anything. It's really a personal decision," he told FOX Business' Maria Bartiromo on Monday.

"People know who Trump is. People know who Biden is. They're going to make their decision no matter who gets up there and pushes whatever agenda they want," he continued.

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Scrolling through Twitter a couple of weeks ago, I came across a clip of rightwing commentator Tucker Carlson interviewing a face I never thought I’d see on his platform: Ice Cube.

As in Fuck Tha Police Ice Cube.

 

“What planet am I on right now?” I found myself thinking.

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On 9/7/2024 at 9:53 PM, Jive Turkey said:

This is so cringey. Florida may be closer than we think. Trump wins but man there doesn’t seem to be much enthusiasm for Trump, and Kamala events are raucous.

 

That is some weird imagery and set lighting. 

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This shit is going around - there were some legal Haitian immigrants who showed up in a few places around the US (including apparently Alabama) for work and Republicans are losing their shit, being the good Christians that they are.

Carlos posts on Surly I believe, but don't remember his handle.

 

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

there were some legal Haitian immigrants who showed up in a few places around the US (including apparently Alabama)

We here in Alabama are surprisingly similar to the US in several ways.

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Posted
1 hour ago, F250 said:

I would love to hear his thoughts on the Immaculate Conception.

"When you're the Almighty, they just let you do it..." 

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45 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

We here in Alabama are surprisingly similar to the US in several ways.

The structuring of this sentence, along with its veiled message, is perhaps the most genius short phrase I've ever seen as an effective and disarming response to an outsider making anthropological observations related to the South, Texas, or wherever your corner of the woods is located.

For example: "We here in the Republic of Texas are surprisingly similar to the US in several ways."

Or better yet: "We Texans are surprisingly similar to you Americans in several ways."

   

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6 hours ago, F250 said:

I would love to hear his thoughts on the Immaculate Conception.

It was a great catch. A lot of people say it was the greatest catch of all time. Some football players came up to me last week. Big, strong football guys. They said, "Mr. President, it was the greatest catch we have ever seen. But we think you could have made that catch."

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I don't believe so. I think it's the same rules as the last debate. I'm very leery about this. I know a lot of people think she'll mop the floor with him but I think it will be like Hillary's debate with him where he will be able to say and do whatever he wants. She will have emphasis placed on any times she shows anger or disgust with what he says. I'm fully prepared for the media to can't win her while letting him be the utter pig he is with no discussion about it. 

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15 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I don't believe so. I think it's the same rules as the last debate. I'm very leery about this. I know a lot of people think she'll mop the floor with him but I think it will be like Hillary's debate with him where he will be able to say and do whatever he wants. She will have emphasis placed on any times she shows anger or disgust with what he says. I'm fully prepared for the media to can't win her while letting him be the utter pig he is with no discussion about it. 

During her opening statement she needs to say something along the lines of, “Donald is going to lie so much during this debate that unfortunately I will not have the time to fact check him and provide my own response. Therefore, I encourage you all to follow along live at (website) where we will fact Trump live during the debate”… then she doesn’t have to devote time or energy to his nonsense. Just a quick “that was a lie so make sure you checkout our website for the facts” and keep moving.

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Harris/Walz schedule:

Monday - Walz Dallas fundraiser (Harris debate prep)
Tuesday - Harris debate; Walz in Vegas and Phoenix
Wednesday - Harris in PA, NYC and DC for 9/11 events with Biden
Thursday - Harris two rallies in  NC(Charlotte and Greensboro), Walz in Michigan
Friday - Harris in PA, Walz in Michigan and Wisconsin
Saturday - Harris (and Biden) at Congressional Black Caucus awards night

TBD on Trump/Vance schedule, except Trump has the debate and 3 fundraisers in SLC, SF, LA

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Posted
1 minute ago, Js1 said:

TBD on Trump/Vance schedule, except Trump has the debate and 3 fundraisers in SLC, SF, LA

 

We all know there's gonna be 3-5 rounds of golf for Donnie this week.  And I'm still chortling over the idea of him having fundraisers when he said back in 2015 he was self-funding his campaign.  Yeah, I know he's full of shit----but no one, at least in MAGA world, ever brings up the fact he's an alleged billionaire that needs handouts.

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Pancho said:

White people, who is this? Is this the lady that sings “ANY MAN OF MIIIINNNEEE BETTA WALK THA LIIINNNEE” is that her?

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She's the "Cuz I'm a redneck woman" singer

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36 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I don't believe so. I think it's the same rules as the last debate. I'm very leery about this. I know a lot of people think she'll mop the floor with him but I think it will be like Hillary's debate with him where he will be able to say and do whatever he wants. She will have emphasis placed on any times she shows anger or disgust with what he says. I'm fully prepared for the media to can't win her while letting him be the utter pig he is with no discussion about it. 

Same.  In court, the hardest people to have on the other side of an argument are the pro se crazy people, when you're trying to steer the argument in a logical direction and they're going off on off the wall tangents on irrelevancies you never even thought of.  It's always easier to debate someone when you have an understanding of the logical things they may address.  You may win the argument when it's a judge with knowledge deciding.  But when it's just a bunch of vapid commentators and an electorate 40% of whom are in a cult, you can just come off as flailing in trying to address the inanity.  

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13 minutes ago, Pancho said:

White people, who is this? Is this the lady that sings “ANY MAN OF MIIIINNNEEE BETTA WALK THA LIIINNNEE” is that her?

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She's a 51 year old country singer that hasn't been relevant in a decade and a half.  So, yeah, of course she's MAGA.

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Also how is that a surprise?

She did the national anthem at the 2008 RNC and performed for McCain/Palin in October 2008

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I can't seem to figure this out. When actual celebrities support democrats, you get "Keep your politics to yourself! Just act/sing/dribble/etc". But when a country singer I've never heard of endorses Dotard, that's "huge!!". And then you have Fox putting fucking Scott Baio on the "news" to discuss politics.

I don't know, it's almost like there's a weird double standard or something. Like they say one thing and do another. 

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26 minutes ago, Pancho said:

White people, who is this? Is this the lady that sings “ANY MAN OF MIIIINNNEEE BETTA WALK THA LIIINNNEE” is that her?

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That song you mention (Any Man of Mine) is Shania Twain, for whom I had a super gay crush on in the 90s, mostly for the “That Don’t Impress Me Much” video since she was an absolute diva. She’s Canadian and most definitely not MAGA.

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The Harris ad others have seen, but I noticed for the first time during SNF, was really good.  The one about the opportunity economy. 

Having her speak directly to the camera is a stark contrast to Trump. 

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27 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

She's a 51 year old country singer that hasn't been relevant in a decade and a half.  So, yeah, of course she's MAGA.

She will bring an army as large as Rhode Island’s Swifty‘s….but in Alabama. 

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43 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

We all know there's gonna be 3-5 rounds of golf for Donnie this week. 

She needs to start the debate challenging him to a full 18 holes of golf, but with the caveat that they have to walk the whole course, no golf carts.

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

I don't believe so. I think it's the same rules as the last debate. I'm very leery about this. I know a lot of people think she'll mop the floor with him but I think it will be like Hillary's debate with him where he will be able to say and do whatever he wants. She will have emphasis placed on any times she shows anger or disgust with what he says. I'm fully prepared for the media to can't win her while letting him be the utter pig he is with no discussion about it. 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-weird-debate-strategies-come-from-creationist-tactics/

Trump’s ‘Gish Gallop’ Debate Tactic Comes from Creationists

A dishonest creationist debating tactic shouldn’t go unchallenged in American life. Or in national politics.

June’s fateful Biden vs. Trump debate led not just to the sudden ascension of Vice President Kamala Harris as the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Donald Trump’s performance also saw the return of a familiar tactic in American public discourse, the “Gish gallop”—an avalanche of nonsense presented as fact—on the debate stage. A favorite of creationists, the gallop’s trot into the political arena needs calling out as we head into the home stretch of the 2024 election.

Coined by the National Center for Science Education’s founding director Eugenie Scott in 1994, the Gish gallop takes its name from the creationist Duane Gish, who frequently challenged biologists to debates about evolution. His tactic consisted of talking fast and with confidence, bombarding opponents with falsehoods, non-sequiturs and enough cherry-picked factoids to confuse the audience. Scientists debating him faced the challenge of sifting half-truths from outright lies and finding the right evidence to refute them systematically, all within the few minutes allowed in response. Which effectively meant that when the bell went off, the Gish gallop left the scientist “stumped” and Gish declaring victory for creationism. Such a spectacle leaves the audience less informed than they were before the debate, all at the hands of a debater whose only goal is to discredit their opponent and “win” the debate.

The migration of the Gish gallop from creationist’s patter onto the presidential debate stage, and increasingly onto news opinion pages nationwide, exemplifies a dangerous debasement of honest dialogue in American life. That both the public and its leaders pass over, or applaud, this kind of dishonesty on the highest political stage shows how integrity has taken a back seat to “winning” power in politics, business and the so-called “culture wars,” and now shrouding us in a fog of disinformation.

In politics, the Gish gallop is precisely what Trump deployed in the June debate, putting Joe Biden at a significant disadvantage in attempting to refute even some of the falsehoods in the torrent of lies. Trump, as anyone even half paying attention to his speeches knows, is an expert at the Gish gallop. He projects the utmost confidence while bombastically repeating lie after lie until it overwhelms his audience into either accepting every word he says as the truth, or walking off in disgust because there is no way to get him to acknowledge any truth. At this point, everyone knows this so well that news reports scarcely cover it.

But wait, doesn’t that suggest his past debate performances helped him win the nomination and get elected? Not necessarily, because polling data showed no measurable effect a few weeks after the recent debate, as has been the trend historically. His previous electoral wins came from a variety of other factors that had little to do with the debates. Indeed his hulking performance stalking Hillary Clinton in 2016 on stage made him look unstable.

Now that Biden has withdrawn from the race, the next debate, scheduled for September 10, will likely feature Harris, the presumptive Democratic nominee, who better be prepared to counter Trump’s Gish gallop more forcefully. She will face a well-practiced con artist and loud dissembler who will flood the zone with enough falsehoods to outshout the former prosecutor and senator. (Speaking as an evolutionary scientist, there are no prizes for guessing which side of the evolution-creation debate these two candidates fall on, either.) When it’s her turn to respond, Harris should turn the tables on Trump by calling him out as a liar without bothering to refute each lie and refocus the audience on her own message. When asked how she might respond if Trump started stalking her on stage, Harris said she would turn around and ask “Why are you being so weird?” Indeed, her campaign has already leaned into this strategy to highlight and mock just how extreme the Republican agenda has become. It just might see her win the next debate as well.

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