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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Not my point.  Even The Great Communicator had some massive fumbles, on a debate stage, and won reelection while facing questions about his age and infirmity.

He ran against a guy vowing to raise taxes (and right when the most self-centered generation was looking to get paid), an economy on the rebound from a quite dismal period, and his party lockstep behind him.

Biden does have the opponent whose ceiling does seem to be ~42%, which is nice. But he's facing a press that will not allow people to think this economy is even OK, and is a Democrat, for whom being in lockstep is a rarity, and certainly a longshot this go 'round.

We need to accept that we're off the map here. That doesn't mean either course is preferable, it just means, to me, that the predictive value of any previous election is rather thin. About the only thing I agree with, in that regard, is the power of incumbency.

I think if Joe wasn't going to seek reelection, he would've said so long before now.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Depends on how he does on the trail and in the next debate(s).

Yeah and when he bungles the September debate, what then? Wait to see how the third goes?

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2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Yeah and when he bungles the September debate, what then? Wait to see how the third goes?

What September debate?  

Trump's not going to give Joe another shot.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Yeah and when he bungles the September debate, what then? Wait to see how the third goes?

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Haven't y'all noticed that Trump wasn't really gloating about the debate? Have y'all seen what undecided voters have said about it? Minorities have mostly been angry about whatever Trump meant by "black jobs" and most other undecideds already thought Biden was too old, so him being old didn't really change anything. This freakout is almost entirely among the center-left who finally realized we're in for a real fight, which was always the case and a better debate from Biden wouldn't have changed that.

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Posted
47 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

What September debate?  

Trump's not going to give Joe another shot.

This. 

 

41 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

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Haven't y'all noticed that Trump wasn't really gloating about the debate? Have y'all seen what undecided voters have said about it? Minorities have mostly been angry about whatever Trump meant by "black jobs" and most other undecideds already thought Biden was too old, so him being old didn't really change anything. This freakout is almost entirely among the center-left who finally realized we're in for a real fight, which was always the case and a better debate from Biden wouldn't have changed that.

And also that

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I’m going to put this here instead of the Israel thread because I think it is actually more important here. 
 

My buddy has a step-daughter (no pics) who is 23, educated (UT degree), and fairly interested in politics and the goings on in the world. At least she claims to be. 
 

He found out she was very upset about the student protests being shut down on campus. When he talked to her about the Gaza situation, her and her friends apparently thought Israel was just bombing Gaza for the fuck of it. They had NO CLUE about October 6th. 
 

I’m as anti-Israeli government as anyone, but these kids may not vote in November because of the Gaza situation, and they don’t even understand it. Turbo. Fucked. 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I’m going to put this here instead of the Israel thread because I think it is actually more important here. 
 

My buddy has a step-daughter (no pics) who is 23, educated (UT degree), and fairly interested in politics and the goings on in the world. At least she claims to be. 
 

He found out she was very upset about the student protests being shut down on campus. When he talked to her about the Gaza situation, her and her friends apparently thought Israel was just bombing Gaza for the fuck of it. They had NO CLUE about October 6th. 
 

I’m as anti-Israeli government as anyone, but these kids may not vote in November because of the Gaza situation, and they don’t even understand it. Turbo. Fucked. 

Spoiler alert dude, they weren't gonna vote anyways.  We're roughly the same age and have been hearing from MTV to pop-up ads this "Rock the Vote"/"Turn out the Youth" bullshit for 25 fucking years.  Every cycle, a new wave of voters gets more access to more socio-political/geo-political information than ever before.  And they still turn out in lower and lower numbers.  It's a fucking non-starter.  

We're not special, but we're different.  We've been hooked on politics since we were teenagers.  Yeah, part of it was to seem edgy and cool and get laid like faking interest in the Dave Matthews Band.  But we were genuinely interested.  This whole fucking forum is an outlier.  We're just nerds who have the luxury of sitting back as educated people with some modicum of success and freedom with which to onboard legitimate socio-political information.  We're not stupid, but we're not smart.  We just have the luxury to read and think critically and not have to protest shit we don't even comprehend on the off-chance it may result in a hand-job behind the paddy-wagon.  

The delicate balance is the most nuanced in American elections since the Civil War era.  How do you ridicule enough middle-bloc Trump voters to sit this one out in certain states while not being so offensive to their snowflake self-compromise that they vote him anyway just to spite you.  Fuck college aged voters, they never a fucking thing.  And when they go home for Thanksgiving, it'll either be the best meal they've ever had in their lives or the start of a civil war.  Thanks be to God, hallelujah, holy shit.......pass the gravy. 

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Posted

Nate Silver is going off on the Democrats saying they’re lying about Biden’s health. Carl Bernstein is also saying it’s obvious Biden is declining and used the term ‘rigor mortis’ to describe him. 

 

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The media absolutely loves a Trump dictatorship because it makes them enormous amount of money, aka war is good for business.

Fucking asshole did not dissolve the NYT or CNN when he could have either, giving us that albatross still.

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3 hours ago, MrBig said:

Nate Silver is going off on the Democrats saying they’re lying about Biden’s health. Carl Bernstein is also saying it’s obvious Biden is declining and used the term ‘rigor mortis’ to describe him. 

 

From the very beginning the election was viewed as winnable by Biden because people believed the whiners would fall in line, its either Biden or Trump, but in creating the mythology that a plan B is available (namely their candidate) that it means that Biden would poll absolutely terribly until then, the debate moved no needles with indys but the Democract coup from whiners is where he is hemorrhaging support.

The whole thing primaries was supposed to solve was rolled back plan Bers now have the blood they were looking for 3 months too late, the Democratic party splintering apart before the convention.

Leading us with a plan B being a democrat civil war because they won't coalesce, people will complain about the plan B candidate as hard as they do for Biden and with the added time constraint that they are almost all of them unknowns to the public, would allow Trump to cruise to victory.

There are zero viable plan Bs that don't involve a time machine, and a neurotic democratic party is fumbling the ball.

I don't care if Biden is dead or in a coma, the country has survived a dead candidate, it can not survivie the revenge tour. This should be what democrats need to be pushing and blasting everywhere, instead ABC news is saying the supremce court ruling was fine, lets report on the debate from last week though.

 

Also for the record I do agree that Biden does not have the guts to do what is right I think, even if president for 4 more years he would be delaying the inevitable the molasses coup, but it is STILL too late for a plan B.

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Cliff Notes: Joe Biden is unfit to be POTUS, but he has a 50/50 chance, and that's better than anybody else's chance at this point, so we're gonna roll with him and hope that we can have a vegetable POTUS instead of a fascist POTUS.

And all they had to do was start marketing Newsom, Buttigieg, or Booker last summer.  The polls wouldn't even be close.

This is all so fucking ridiculous.

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Posted
7 hours ago, MrBig said:

Nate Silver is going off on the Democrats saying they’re lying about Biden’s health. Carl Bernstein is also saying it’s obvious Biden is declining and used the term ‘rigor mortis’ to describe him. 

 

Now do trump. Oh wait, they’re all behind him, only dems undermine their own candidate at every turn.


“Biden’s Post Debate Appearances Raise Suspicions of Drug Use”

Byline: “Strong Competent Speeches Likely Explained By Cocaine”

Welcome to America.

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Posted
7 hours ago, MrBig said:

Nate Silver is going off on the Democrats saying they’re lying about Biden’s health. Carl Bernstein is also saying it’s obvious Biden is declining and used the term ‘rigor mortis’ to describe him. 

 

Nate Silver is a dipshit but something about a broken clock…

Only Trump’s doctor, the venerable Dr. Ronnie Jackson, would say having the stress of being President 4 more years will turn out just fine for Biden.  
 

Posted (edited)
57 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Cliff Notes: Joe Biden is unfit to be POTUS, but he has a 50/50 chance, and that's better than anybody else's chance at this point, so we're gonna roll with him and hope that we can have a vegetable POTUS instead of a fascist POTUS.

And all they had to do was start marketing Newsom, Buttigieg, or Booker last summer.  The polls wouldn't even be close.

This is all so fucking ridiculous.

Who are they?

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Jake Tapper too.

 

It's so fucking bad that Donald Trump didn't dunk on him. I don't think some of you have been honest with yourselves. This was so bad, the worst most morally bankrupt person in the public eye decided to not fuck with it because it was clear that Biden is just a sad old man who's lost his fucking marbles. It's fucking bad. Jake tapper isn't a Republican anything. Joe Biden shouldn't be the fucking president for 4 more years. Maybe he can do 1 or 2 more, but that's it. The campaign shouldn't drop him like a rock, but I think pivoting to a clear transition and graceful exit for him post election would be best. It was too early for him to transition out last year, he was fine, but he's meh at best going into November and by this time next year I doubt he's just coasting on the meh line, he will degrade and when he does if they have a real vocalized plan and everyone gets on board to gracefully transition I think they can run that ticket. 

4 more years of Biden is ludicrous. No one in their right mind believes that's possible. The 70% of voters who are already decided don't matter. The 30% left matter a lot, and those people for better or worse aren't voting for a fucking corpse even against a dictator. 

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Posted

Biggest concern for me right now is the seemingly permanent move rightward for a lot of states we've seen last decade.  Ohio, Iowa, Florida: never coming back.  Biden will crater and some state(s) will end up voting R that we didn't really expect.  I'm concerned that gets locked in for the indefinite future for those states.

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Just now, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Biggest concern for me right now is the seemingly permanent move rightward for a lot of states we've seen last decade.  Ohio, Iowa, Florida: never coming back.  Biden will crater and some state(s) will end up voting R that we didn't really expect.  I'm concerned that gets locked in for the indefinite future for those states.

All because we venerate an antiquated constitution.

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Posted
22 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Nate Silver is just a Republican pundit at this point. 

 

20 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Jake Tapper too.

 

The writing is on the wall, they are just reading it out loud.

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Posted

The next debate isn't until September. What's the best way to get it out there, before September, that what we all saw wasn't really what we saw? He can't be out there making a million public appearances. Because, you know, he's really old. 

"No really everyone, he just had a cold. What's that, he looked fine after the debate and fine the next morning? It was a very strange cold." 

Posted
3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

that's not what i'd say is the cause, but whatever.  it worked for 250 years before now.  but opinions vary.

Did it?

I seem to remember a few hiccups, one in particular. I think Ken Burns made a documentary about it.

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Posted
1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

There won’t be a debate in September unless the Dems choose a different candidate. Trump has no reason to debate Biden again. 

Neither of them have a reason to debate. The debate was pathetic from both candidates. 

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Posted

They both don’t have a reason to debate anymore, not to mention debates today are pointless thanks to the intertubes and social media. 

 

However, I want to see polls after yesterday’s ruling. This is all that has been dominating social media. Nobody is even talking about the debates anymore. 

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1 minute ago, Pancho said:

They both don’t have a reason to debate anymore, not to mention debates today are pointless thanks to the intertubes and social media. 

 

However, I want to see polls after yesterday’s ruling. This is all that has been dominating social media. Nobody is even talking about the debates anymore. 

That's what they mainstream media is for. They won't shut up about it.

Posted
1 minute ago, Pancho said:

They both don’t have a reason to debate anymore, not to mention debates today are pointless thanks to the intertubes and social media. 

 

However, I want to see polls after yesterday’s ruling. This is all that has been dominating social media. Nobody is even talking about the debates anymore. 

Someone posted yesterday. It's overwhelmingly not favorable for the vast majority of Americans. 90% disapproval from Democrats, 69% disapproval from independent and still 37% disapproval from Republicans. That's way way over the 50% total mark. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

 

the debate was the most consequential thing for the future of our country that has happened in years.

 

This…this last debate? No it wasn’t. People’s minds were already made up before that happened. 

The 2016 election, now that was the most consequential thing for the future of our country that has happened, well, ever. 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, immamac said:

Neither of them have a reason to debate. 

 

9 minutes ago, Pancho said:

They both don’t have a reason to debate anymore,

Biden has every reason to attempt a do over and show that the first debate was a fluke. A better showing in a second debate would help him immensely. That’s why Trump would never give Biden the chance. Trump has nothing to gain. 

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Posted
Just now, WhatTheBuck said:

 

Biden has every reason to attempt a do over and show that the first debate was a fluke. A better showing in a second debate would help him immensely. That’s why Trump would never give Biden the chance. Trump has nothing to gain. 

No, he really doesn't. He needs to hope everyone forgets about the first one. 

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Posted

Democrats are really bad at strategy.

Have you ever noticed that any time the Democrats have an obvious winning move, the Republicans and the media predictably intimidate the Democrats?

Example:

The winning strategy is to debate as Dark Brandon.

Republican Talking Heads: He better not be on PEDs! I'm sponsoring a law that presidents have to take drug tests!

Limp dick democrat "strategist": Joe, we can't use PEDs for the debate, and you should practice being completely sedate and mumble so that people don't even accuse you of using PEDs.

** One Debate Later ... **

Media Talking Heads: Wow Joe Biden sure lost that debate bigly!

Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, Red Five said:

What's the best way to get it out there, before September, that what we all saw wasn't really what we saw?

DNC speech

Rallies or town halls

Whatever he has to do all summer pertaining to hurricanes hitting the states

At some point, he may need to do a prime time address of sorts for something 

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