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5 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Will students at the schools cancelling things get a refund?  

Will parents of HS kids looking at these schools direct them to schools that have been able to keep the violence down?

That’s one reason I hope Texas protesters can/will be open to dialogue with the admin and law enforcement. 
 

it may be too late for that though.  And not at the fault of students. 
 

the Ivy’s may take a hit. And I’m way ok with that.  
 

 

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2 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:
5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:
NYPD has been lying about some of the evidence regarding outside agitators:
 

The bike lock, maybe. The chain, no.

It's literally this lock:

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Notice the model is called "New York Fahgettaboudit" because New York cops don't do shit about bike theft. 

Posted
21 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

The ultimate goal of a protest should be to influence.  Every successful protest in our nation's history is viewed that way because of what resulted from the protest, not the act of protesting itself. 

At some point, the goal has shifted to merely performative - influence be damned. 

You’re reinterpreting past protests through the lens of hindsight. Every successful protest movement of the past was initially met with scorn, ridicule, and violent opposition by the establishment and its dumb, reactionary defenders. Every time, the protesters were criticized at the time as performative, ineffective, counterproductive, ungrateful rabble-rousers. That was true of those who fought for labor laws, women’s suffrage, civil rights, and an end to the Vietnam War. Only after the dust settled and the public caught up to reality were they proven righteous.

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26 minutes ago, Foosters said:

The  album drop party for Vampire Weekend got out of fucking hand, man.  

18 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

How come this shit aint setting off at cal tech, purdue, georgia tech, or cmu?

I don't get this?  Cal Tech is tiny.  UT has 1% of the students protesting, which is a lot in the aggregate, but Cal Tech has 1% of their student body protest, that's 20 kids.  That's not even worth driving the news van over for.  I'm sure Scripps College, while a seriously great college, has a few folks who want to lash out and protest.  That whole school is like 300 people.  That's not enough students for somebody to borrow a car to go buy posterboard at Michael's.    

I guess your implication is that this only happens at colleges with lots of liberal arts majors, or?  Despite UT having a very strong engineering, business, and sciences CSU's---which make up a substantial proportion of the protestors.  Believe it or not, they're not all Art History majors out there (though we still need to unpack who all these non-faculty/non-student folks on our campus are stirring up shit).  

But to your point---significantly attended protests are happening at UCLA, Cal Polytechnical, Tulane, Florida State, Wisconsin, VA Tech, Georgia, Washington U., Indiana U., Utah, UCONN, VCU, Texas, UofFlorida, Illinois, Emory, Ohio State, Princeton, Minnesota, and Yale.  

Not exactly Sarah Lawrence College liberal elitist humanities degree factories.  Higher-end, well-rounded universities with lots of majors represented, diverse campus populations, many near population centers off campus, most publics, and politically across the spectrum.  And it's happening in states where the local and statewide leadership is embarrassed and trying to flex/posture.  

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4 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

You’re reinterpreting past protests through the lens of hindsight. Every successful protest movement of the past was initially met with scorn, ridicule, and violent opposition by the establishment and its dumb, reactionary defenders. Every time, the protesters were criticized at the time as performative, ineffective, counterproductive, ungrateful rabble-rousers. That was true of those who fought for labor laws, women’s suffrage, civil rights, and an end to the Vietnam War. Only after the dust settled and the public caught up to reality were they proven righteous.

Yeah, that's not always true and "good guys" aren't always the ones protesting.

Calling into question the motives and agenda of folks not just protesting but actually committing criminal acts is not only justified, but  logical and sensible.

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20 minutes ago, HendersonHorns said:

That’s one reason I hope Texas protesters can/will be open to dialogue with the admin and law enforcement. 

Admin and law enforcement have demonstrated a default response of “crack skulls, don’t ask questions later.” Not exactly conducive to negotiation. Unfortunately, the time for constructive dialogue passed when Hartzell called in skull crackers that love to toss around protesters, but can’t stop a mass shooting at an elementary school.

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4 minutes ago, royiv said:

Admin and law enforcement have demonstrated a default response of “crack skulls, don’t ask questions later.” Not exactly conducive to negotiation. Unfortunately, the time for constructive dialogue passed when Hartzell called in skull crackers that love to toss around protesters, but can’t stop a mass shooting at an elementary school.

It can’t be too late. It can never be too late for dialogue. 
 

I’m not saying the government or admin are going to humble themselves to talk. But they have to. 
 

is that a fantasy world?  Serious question. 

Posted
2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

"I found one guy"

Do you know he's not faculty or staff?

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That’s the guy above. 
 

I don’t know if he had bad intentions, or if he carries daily.  
 

also didn’t investigate if he’s an employee.  
 

he didn’t shoot anyone, thankfully. 

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16 minutes ago, HendersonHorns said:

It can’t be too late. It can never be too late for dialogue. 
 

I’m not saying the government or admin are going to humble themselves to talk. But they have to. 
 

is that a fantasy world?  Serious question. 

They have not cracked any skulls.  They just aren't tolerating nonsense like Columbia and UCLA.

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5 minutes ago, HendersonHorns said:

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That’s the guy above. 
 

I don’t know if he had bad intentions, or if he carries daily.  
 

also didn’t investigate if he’s an employee.  
 

he didn’t shoot anyone, thankfully. 

I still don't see what's wrong with exercising 2nd amendment rights. Or are those only for white people?

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20 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

They have not cracked any skulls.  They just aren't tolerating nonsense like Columbia and UCLA.

I know. For sure. It just caught on because some dickhead called for it the first day. Cracking skulls I mean. 
 

There’s so much animosity there right now. Need to figure out a way for both sides to think they won. 

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6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I still don't see what's wrong with exercising 2nd amendment rights. Or are those only for white people?

It must not be legal in that jurisdiction.  Various jurisdictions have different laws on campus carry.  Not every state is as free as Texas on this.

Also, Megyn calling protesters unattractive misfits

 

 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I still don't see what's wrong with exercising 2nd amendment rights. Or are those only for white people?

Oh stop with that. You won’t find anyone here more pro 2A than me. 
 

There’s no reason for that last dig. Or that last gotcha you put there. It’s disingenuous. 
 

in Florida it is a felony to carry on campus. I don’t agree with it.  But that’s what it is. 
 

but this is too CR for this topic and I don’t want to get the thread locked.  I would be happy to talk about it on a cr thread though. 
 

 

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, 52-80 said:

How come this shit aint setting off at cal tech, purdue, georgia tech, or cmu?

It’s finals week

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

It’s finals week

I'll go ahead and bet the under (without even knowing the number) on the qty of engineering, finance, business, and hard science attendees on any campus.

My nephew attends UTD. He's getting his masters in one of those... I don't have to ask. 

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What I don't get is why anyone really gives a shit?  I mean, I get protesting against the Vietnam War in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get drafted and die in a foolish, lost war.  I get protesting in support of BLM in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get pulled over and murdered by the police.  I don't get protesting for/against Israel or Palestine in the U.S.  None of these people are affected by what's going on half a globe away.

I get some may view acts by one side or the other as evil, and that it may even be correct.  But even so, what the fuck is all this going to accomplish?  How is this going to impact anything going on in Gaza?  If all these universities divest from Israel tomorrow, is Israel even going to notice?  No.  The holocaust gives Israel an apocalyptic world view and they do not fuck around when it comes to their security.  There is no way they would allow themselves to be in a position where they could be brought to their knees by US universities redirecting endowment investments.

It just seems like everyone, from students to University Presidents to Governors to police would have a lot more proximal problems to be concerned about that they might actually have a chance to positively affect.  Which makes me think this isn't about Israel or Gaza at all, rather about the theatrics of civil unrest on college campuses in an election year. 

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2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

What I don't get is why anyone really gives a shit?  I mean, I get protesting against the Vietnam War in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get drafted and die in a foolish, lost war.  I get protesting in support of BLM in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get pulled over and murdered by the police.  I don't get protesting for/against Israel or Palestine in the U.S.  None of these people are affected by what's going on half a globe away.

I get some may view acts by one side or the other as evil, and that it may even be correct.  But even so, what the fuck is all this going to accomplish?  How is this going to impact anything going on in Gaza?  If all these universities divest from Israel tomorrow, is Israel even going to notice?  No.  The holocaust gives Israel an apocalyptic world view and they do not fuck around when it comes to their security.  There is no way they would allow themselves to be in a position where they could be brought to their knees by US universities redirecting endowment investments.

It just seems like everyone, from students to University Presidents to Governors to police would have a lot more proximal problems to be concerned about that they might actually have a chance to positively affect.  Which makes me think this isn't about Israel or Gaza at all, rather about the theatrics of civil unrest on college campuses in an election year. 

You and others have asked, and rightfully so, what is driving these protests. Not, what are they in support of, (which I don't think most of them could answer anyway) but what's driving it. It's a valid question, and just as there were multiple behind the scenes masters pulling the "BLM" puppet strings, I suspect the same for these protests.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Started in 1985 and the "shanty" got wrecked all the time, if you can call it that, since it looked pretty bad to begin with.  The frat guys always got blamed, so I just went with that.

Growing up in Austin, I went to the drag and west mall all the time, especially in high school and I don't even remember seeing the shanty then.

I remember a couple of protests I had to shuffle through, but no big deal.

The most annoying thing were the pamphletiers that were on campus. The Jews for Jesus guys were especially pushy. Not sure why I got the treatment. I guess it was the blond hair and blue eyes with a pagan smirk on my face that drew them in.  I also remember my Antisemitism in History and Literature professor, who was Jewish, hated that group in particular based on the stupidity of the idea alone.

That was a different time and I'm pretty sure the administration thought all of the South Africa stuff was cute compared to all the Vietnam protests just a few years earlier.

Also, the Texas economy was in the shitter back then, so we were all just fighting to stay employed.

The only thing I recall or paid attention to of those the protests/tables on the West mall at that time was Sister Sally preaching about how sorority girls evolved into sluts and whores... (I stopped to listen for pointers...)

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14 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I get some may view acts by one side or the other as evil, and that it may even be correct.  But even so, what the fuck is all this going to accomplish?  How is this going to impact anything going on in Gaza?  If all these universities divest from Israel tomorrow, is Israel even going to notice?  No.  The holocaust gives Israel an apocalyptic world view and they do not fuck around when it comes to their security.  There is no way they would allow themselves to be in a position where they could be brought to their knees by US universities redirecting endowment investments.

It just seems like everyone, from students to University Presidents to Governors to police would have a lot more proximal problems to be concerned about that they might actually have a chance to positively affect.  Which makes me think this isn't about Israel or Gaza at all, rather about the theatrics of civil unrest on college campuses in an election year. 

The exact shit about people demanding CITY COUNCILS in california to formally call for cease-fires and such. 

It’s narcissistic hero complex. They think they’re making a difference. They want to signal their conscience and virtues. And on campus it’s theater kids wanting to be the main character, feigning oppression (“theyre literally starving us!!!”) because it’s a social currency. Being at a protest is cool and getting arrested means you’re a good soldier to the cause who truly earned that watermelon emoji on your internet profile .

https://apnews.com/article/oakland-israel-hamas-cease-fire-947cc31f56055c056768136100d09547

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Posted
9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Shits spreading like Pokemon. Now at UW-Madison.

So what do the protestors do when the semester ends? Blockade their local Starbucks?

Go back to their parents' basement?

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21 minutes ago, Goredho said:

What I don't get is why anyone really gives a shit?  I mean, I get protesting against the Vietnam War in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get drafted and die in a foolish, lost war.  I get protesting in support of BLM in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get pulled over and murdered by the police.  I don't get protesting for/against Israel or Palestine in the U.S.  None of these people are affected by what's going on half a globe away.

I get some may view acts by one side or the other as evil, and that it may even be correct.  But even so, what the fuck is all this going to accomplish?  How is this going to impact anything going on in Gaza?  If all these universities divest from Israel tomorrow, is Israel even going to notice?  No.  The holocaust gives Israel an apocalyptic world view and they do not fuck around when it comes to their security.  There is no way they would allow themselves to be in a position where they could be brought to their knees by US universities redirecting endowment investments.

It just seems like everyone, from students to University Presidents to Governors to police would have a lot more proximal problems to be concerned about that they might actually have a chance to positively affect.  Which makes me think this isn't about Israel or Gaza at all, rather about the theatrics of civil unrest on college campuses in an election year. 

Which is why I’ve said this has all been orchestrated.

 

10 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Shits spreading like Pokemon. Now at UW-Madison.

So what do the protestors do when the semester ends? Blockade their local Starbucks?

The one at Wisconsin started days ago. The protestors go back to Russia, their troll accounts on truth social and twitter, and back to the underground where they came from. 

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5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Shits spreading like Pokemon. Now at UW-Madison.

So what do the protestors do when the semester ends? Blockade their local Starbucks?

That’s one of the things where I think this is being so handled so poorly by many schools. Like milk, this has an expiration date on it.

Lay ground rules like no overnight camping, no violence, no amplified sound, no blocking ingress/egress of buildings, etc. Let the demonstrators do their thing within the parameters and go in and make arrests when the rules get broken. There’s no reason to go all Billy Badass with the all the militarized police theatrics. Do some good policing and crowd control and let this thing run its course. All the pseudo military shit just ramps shit up and gives a certain group of agitators exactly what they want. 

Everyone on here making fun of the demonstrators for being pasty trust fund babies who have no idea about what they’re demonstrating for yet we need to send in the military to conquer them? Seems like we’ve lost sight of how to police in this country.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I couldn’t care less if we police them or not. They have entertained the hell out of me, though. And they’re not trust fund babies. lol. Trust fund babies don’t behave like this. 

I didn’t say they’re trust fund babies, but several of your brethren have made that ridiculous assertion.

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4 minutes ago, royiv said:

I didn’t say they’re trust fund babies, but several of your brethren have made that ridiculous assertion.

Anyone pursuing graduate studies in “poems about metabolic rifts through a marxist lens” either has massive money, or massive debt. 

Aint nobody handing out scholarships to pay for that bullshit. 

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54 minutes ago, Grimas said:

The only thing I recall or paid attention to of those the protests/tables on the West mall at that time was Sister Sally preaching about how sorority girls evolved into sluts and whores... (I stopped to listen for pointers...)

Sister Cindy is one the great performance artists of our time: 

 

28 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

UTD protestors calling for Revolution as the only solution. Vs. who?

Whom

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What I don't get is why anyone really gives a shit?  I mean, I get protesting against the Vietnam War in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get drafted and die in a foolish, lost war.  I get protesting in support of BLM in the U.S.  You or someone you know might get pulled over and murdered by the police.  I don't get protesting for/against Israel or Palestine in the U.S.  None of these people are affected by what's going on half a globe away.
I get some may view acts by one side or the other as evil, and that it may even be correct.  But even so, what the fuck is all this going to accomplish?  How is this going to impact anything going on in Gaza?  If all these universities divest from Israel tomorrow, is Israel even going to notice?  No.  The holocaust gives Israel an apocalyptic world view and they do not fuck around when it comes to their security.  There is no way they would allow themselves to be in a position where they could be brought to their knees by US universities redirecting endowment investments.
It just seems like everyone, from students to University Presidents to Governors to police would have a lot more proximal problems to be concerned about that they might actually have a chance to positively affect.  Which makes me think this isn't about Israel or Gaza at all, rather about the theatrics of civil unrest on college campuses in an election year. 

What I don’t get is why does anyone give a shit that they are protesting? I mean sure the university admins and cops have to deal with it, but outside that who fucking cares? Stupid fucking college kids looking for dramatic causes are gonna do what stupid fucking college kids looking for dramatic causes do.
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3 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


What I don’t get is why does anyone give a shit that they are protesting? I mean sure the university admins and cops have to deal with it, but outside that who fucking cares? Stupid fucking college kids looking for dramatic causes are gonna do what stupid fucking college kids looking for dramatic causes do.

This directly impacts me and for that reason I am very upset. Okay, it doesn't have any impact on me but I am still very upset.

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27 minutes ago, Mole said:

Sister Cindy is one the great performance artists of our time: 

 

Whom

Oops- Sally=Cindy…. Thanks for the memories!

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7 minutes ago, F250 said:

This directly impacts me and for that reason I am very upset. Okay, it doesn't have any impact on me but I am still very upset.

I'm just going to suggest you try to reduce your frustration. May I suggest some pron? 

Hopefully, you have a good VPN if you're in Texas.

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15 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I'm just going to suggest you try to reduce your frustration. May I suggest some pron? 

Hopefully, you have a good VPN if you're in Texas.

No bro, I straight edge. The no fap life.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Bill Ackman dropping $10k on this

 

 

Yeah, that's not the flex it appears to be.  A billionaire giving $10k to a fraternity comprised mostly of underage kids to buy alcohol and drugs, with some likely ensuing crimes and sexual assault.  Not a great look.  You wanna slip a kid $100 to take a girl out to dinner, that's one thing.  Funding 100 U21 drunken morons to buy coke and molly because they moved some flags around?  Uh................

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