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9 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

When you add Cooper Flagg as part of the deal, it was actually a pretty smart move by Nico. 

I assume you’re joking. This pick had zero to do with the trade. It was a Dallas pick not a Laker pick, and he traded to be a contender now, not to get a lottery pick. 

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13 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I assume you’re joking. This pick had zero to do with the trade. It was a Dallas pick not a Laker pick, and he traded to be a contender now, not to get a lottery pick. 

This is pretty clearly the league stepping in to reward the Mavs for trading Luka to the Lakers.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

This is pretty clearly the league stepping in to reward the Mavs for trading Luka to the Lakers.

luck is a pretty strong thing that apparently a lot of people do not understand.

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Yes…luck….

Luka traded? Mavs get #1

Pop steps down from coaching? Spurs get a gift wrapped #2 they can use to get Giannis 

“luck”

Austin Powers Laser GIF

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Posted
24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yes…luck….

Luka traded? Mavs get #1

Pop steps down from coaching? Spurs get a gift wrapped #2 they can use to get Giannis 

“luck”

Austin Powers Laser GIF

Spurs have landed robinson, duncan , Wemby.   Cavs land Bron.  Orlando gets Penny and Shaq.   All luck.  Very transparent process too

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Posted

Hear me out.  Fire Nico. Package AD and Flagg for Luka. 
 

Lakers can make playoff run in LBJ’s final season and Mavs fans can act like the past few months were a bad dream.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

I assume you’re joking. This pick had zero to do with the trade. It was a Dallas pick not a Laker pick, and he traded to be a contender now, not to get a lottery pick. 

Brother, this pick had everything to do with the trade. 

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Posted
36 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Hear me out.  Fire Nico. Package AD and Flagg for Luka. 
 

Lakers can make playoff run in LBJ’s final season and Mavs fans can act like the past few months were a bad dream.  

That's the funny part to me. Had the Lakers been able to offer AD AND Flagg 3 months ago for Luka, I think every GM in the league except for Nico still says no (though, they'd definitely at least have a meeting to discuss it).

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Y'all harping on the Spurs luck with Duncan etc while ignoring blatant ideal scenarios in Chicago, Cleveland, NO, Orlando, etc is something.

Hell the Spurs were at 21 something percent odds for Duncan. You think the league didn't want Duncan in Boston? Uh, ok.

Now, I'll agree that the Mavs and NBA are corrupt as hell and probably have been a few other times.

But Saint Pop and Timmy are unbesmirchable and you should feel ashamed.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

Y'all harping on the Spurs luck with Duncan etc while ignoring blatant ideal scenarios in Chicago, Cleveland, NO, Orlando, etc is something.

Hell the Spurs were at 21 something percent odds for Duncan. You think the league didn't want Duncan in Boston? Uh, ok.

Now, I'll agree that the Mavs and NBA are corrupt as hell and probably have been a few other times.

But Saint Pop and Timmy are unbesmirchable and you should feel ashamed.

Can we agree that something is not right?  Your first paragraph says alot and that doesn’t include Ewing to NY and Akeem to the Rockets 

 

it’s not always about market size.  It’s about super teams. Robinson and Tim were a natural pairing. Wembys best spot was SA

Posted
2 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

doesn’t include Ewing to NY

The lottery in 84 or whenever was all lottery teams had the same odds. 

Was there fuckery still to get Ewing to NY? Maybe.

The NBA, if it was acting purely in their best interests, would not want the Spurs as a superteam.

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cuban sold 69% to miriam for 3.5b, he retains 27%

4.13% remains with mary stanton, widow of horace ardinger who bought that stake in 1980 for $300k and did not sell along with the other minority owners in december 23

ai sez:

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Rumored NBA expansion fees are expected to range from $4 billion to $7 billion per new team, depending on the market and a potential bidding war. Some reports suggest the league could collect as much as $10 billion combined from two new teams. These fees would be distributed among the existing 30 owners.

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someone please figure out the math:

1 that buys out the remaining 31% of the dallas nba franchise (so it moves to vegas)

2 how is the $10 billion for the "new" sonics and the "new" mavs split between the 2 teams based on market value or tv sets or whatever

3 then reverse that math back in to slightly higher payments to all of the other ownership groups i.e. the adelsons don't get a taste of the expansion fees for the 2 "new" teams because they got a massive discount to buy themselves out of the clusterfuck they created

4 what is that number cuban has to come up with or find other investors to co-fund the "new" mavs?

 

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Posted
10 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Reaves for Gafford would be great for both teams.

 

9 hours ago, threesheets said:

Holy fuck no. 

Why not? We're not gonna give Gafford what he wants after this season.  We need an on-ball guard who can create.  Defense from that position is of secondary concern.  Luka gets his big. 

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19 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

The NBA, if it was acting purely in their best interests, would not want the Spurs as a superteam.

Disagree.  Right now, Wemby is the future face of the league.  They want to surround him with talent, and if that means Spurs use the #2 to get Giannis, that just helps get more eyeballs watching Spurs games. 

Plus, considering the Spurs are probably one of the more, if not the most, well-run franchises in the past 2 decades or so, and Pop just went to the FO full-time - #2 pick is a nice gift. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Disagree.  Right now, Wemby is the future face of the league.  They want to surround him with talent, and if that means Spurs use the #2 to get Giannis, that just helps get more eyeballs watching Spurs games. 

Plus, considering the Spurs are probably one of the more, if not the most, well-run franchises in the past 2 decades or so, and Pop just went to the FO full-time - #2 pick is a nice gift. 

Yes you need eyeballs in every market not just nyc and la.  The nba is pretty strategic.  Maybe the nfl should do a lottery. Imagine the ratings

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Posted
1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yes you need eyeballs in every market not just nyc and la.  The nba is pretty strategic.  Maybe the nfl should do a lottery. Imagine the ratings

Spurs already have a huge French following from the Parker days, and now Wemby, and they can get those Greek fans. It’s not media markets these days, the NBA is global. Fans follow players 

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Just now, Js1 said:

Spurs already have a huge French following from the Parker days, and now Wemby, and they can get those Greek fans. It’s not media markets these days, the NBA is global. Fans follow players 

Wemby is a quiet guy like Tim.  Pop was the perfect guy to mentor him. Rest of lottery teams were trash.  
 

flagg would’ve been buried in dc or Charlotte.  Dallas now has a big three and one of the best starting fives in league 

Posted
10 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

 

Why not? We're not gonna give Gafford what he wants after this season.  We need an on-ball guard who can create.  Defense from that position is of secondary concern.  Luka gets his big. 

I just think he's an awful player that has his moments. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Wemby is a quiet guy like Tim.  Pop was the perfect guy to mentor him. Rest of lottery teams were trash.  
 

flagg would’ve been buried in dc or Charlotte.  Dallas now has a big three and one of the best starting fives in league 

The problem is the timeline of the Dallas roster.  Irving and AD are 33 and 32 respectively and Irving likely won't play until 26/27 when he'll be 35.  With AD, this is Anthony Davis we're talking about so who knows how much longer he'll hang on?

By the time Flagg enters his peak phase in 3-4 years, Irving and Davis will be long gone.  Contrarian take here but Dallas should trade AD for young assets and draft picks.  Not sure what to do with Irving.  

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Not sure what to do with Irving. 

He's going to have a Butler-style meltdown and demand a trade. Dallas will get scraps and few 2nd round picks in the 2080's in exchange for Irving's layover to Shenzen

Posted
15 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The problem is the timeline of the Dallas roster.  Irving and AD are 33 and 32 respectively and Irving likely won't play until 26/27 when he'll be 35.  With AD, this is Anthony Davis we're talking about so who knows how much longer he'll hang on?

By the time Flagg enters his peak phase in 3-4 years, Irving and Davis will be long gone.  Contrarian take here but Dallas should trade AD for young assets and draft picks.  Not sure what to do with Irving.  

If they're healthy, Dallas will make a run.  Great team makeup as far as complimentary basketball

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

He's going to have a Butler-style meltdown and demand a trade. Dallas will get scraps and few 2nd round picks in the 2080's in exchange for Irving's layover to Shenzen

I feel like Kyrie is the type to blow up when he has leverage  Not sure he has that.

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4 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

If they're healthy, Dallas will make a run.  Great team makeup as far as complimentary basketball

I feel like Kyrie is the type to blow up when he has leverage  Not sure he has that.

That's like saying if Scarlett Johansson would sleep with me if I were literally the last man on earth.  "If Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis are healthy..."

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2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Can we agree that something is not right?  Your first paragraph says alot and that doesn’t include Ewing to NY and Akeem to the Rockets 

 

it’s not always about market size.  It’s about super teams. Robinson and Tim were a natural pairing. Wembys best spot was SA

The 1984 Olajuwon/Jordan draft was the last of the "coin flip" era before the lottery. It was Houston vs. Portland (who owned Indiana's pick). It was probably corrupt that NBA said Houston won assuming they'd pick Olajuwon. 1985 was the first lottery with the "frozen envelope" where the Knicks got Ewing. They went to weighted lottery odds after 1990.

Some of the most anticipated #1 picks since were:

  • Shaq (Orlando had 15% odds) - Trying to help new franchise/market?
  • Chris Webber (Orlando had 1.5% odds) - Trying to build a powerhouse with Shaq?
  • Tim Duncan (Spurs had 21% odds) - Seemed destined to Celtics. San Antonio is an odd choice to be an NBA darling
  • Yao Ming (Rockets had 9% odds) - Decent Asian population in Houston, uniforms are still Chinese-influenced, but if that was the reason it's odd because Warriors had top 3 odds that lottery.
  • Lebron (Cleveland had 22% odds) - Obvious place to put him, expecting him to be the anointed super star anywhere
  • AD (New Orleans had 14% odds) - Trying to keep Pelicans from folding or relocating again
  • Wiggins (Cleveland had 1.7% odds) - Pairing a star with Lebron so he could win (pick traded for Kevin Love)
  • Simmons (Philly had 25% odds) - 76ers coach was former Australian national team coach
  • Zion (NO had 6% odds) - Thanks to NO for trading AD to Lakers
  • Wemby (Spurs had 14% odds) - Spurs/Pop had become darlings by now, and had a huge French following due to Tony Parker
  • Flagg (Dallas had 1.8% odds) - Thanks for trading Luka to Lakers, need to calm the Dallas pitchforks

Definite room for conspiracy theory on most/all of them.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

The Mavs need to address point guard in free agency or it’s going to be a long year even with Flagg + “healthy” AD. 
 

I’d target Schroder. He’s a UFA. 

We're getting Giddey via s&t for PJ and we're gonna like it. 

 

I would love Tyus Jones.  Wouldn't hate D'Lo but he'd be more expensive.

Posted
4 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Spurs have landed robinson, duncan , Wemby.   Cavs land Bron.  Orlando gets Penny and Shaq.   All luck.  Very transparent process too

don’t forget patrick ewing.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

The 1984 Olajuwon/Jordan draft was the last of the "coin flip" era before the lottery. It was Houston vs. Portland (who owned Indiana's pick). It was probably corrupt that NBA said Houston won assuming they'd pick Olajuwon. 1985 was the first lottery with the "frozen envelope" where the Knicks got Ewing. They went to weighted lottery odds after 1990.

Some of the most anticipated #1 picks since were:

  • Shaq (Orlando had 15% odds) - Trying to help new franchise/market?
  • Chris Webber (Orlando had 1.5% odds) - Trying to build a powerhouse with Shaq?
  • Tim Duncan (Spurs had 21% odds) - Seemed destined to Celtics. San Antonio is an odd choice to be an NBA darling
  • Yao Ming (Rockets had 9% odds) - Decent Asian population in Houston, uniforms are still Chinese-influenced, but if that was the reason it's odd because Warriors had top 3 odds that lottery.
  • Lebron (Cleveland had 22% odds) - Obvious place to put him, expecting him to be the anointed super star anywhere
  • AD (New Orleans had 14% odds) - Trying to keep Pelicans from folding or relocating again
  • Wiggins (Cleveland had 1.7% odds) - Pairing a star with Lebron so he could win (pick traded for Kevin Love)
  • Simmons (Philly had 25% odds) - 76ers coach was former Australian national team coach
  • Zion (NO had 6% odds) - Thanks to NO for trading AD to Lakers
  • Wemby (Spurs had 14% odds) - Spurs/Pop had become darlings by now, and had a huge French following due to Tony Parker
  • Flagg (Dallas had 1.8% odds) - Thanks for trading Luka to Lakers, need to calm the Dallas pitchforks

Definite room for conspiracy theory on most/all of them.

Good list.  How about D Rose?  Also Rod Thorn got the #1 pick his first year with the Nets

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