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Posted
9 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

When you add Cooper Flagg as part of the deal, it was actually a pretty smart move by Nico. 

I assume you’re joking. This pick had zero to do with the trade. It was a Dallas pick not a Laker pick, and he traded to be a contender now, not to get a lottery pick. 

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13 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I assume you’re joking. This pick had zero to do with the trade. It was a Dallas pick not a Laker pick, and he traded to be a contender now, not to get a lottery pick. 

This is pretty clearly the league stepping in to reward the Mavs for trading Luka to the Lakers.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

This is pretty clearly the league stepping in to reward the Mavs for trading Luka to the Lakers.

luck is a pretty strong thing that apparently a lot of people do not understand.

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Yes…luck….

Luka traded? Mavs get #1

Pop steps down from coaching? Spurs get a gift wrapped #2 they can use to get Giannis 

“luck”

Austin Powers Laser GIF

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Posted
24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yes…luck….

Luka traded? Mavs get #1

Pop steps down from coaching? Spurs get a gift wrapped #2 they can use to get Giannis 

“luck”

Austin Powers Laser GIF

Spurs have landed robinson, duncan , Wemby.   Cavs land Bron.  Orlando gets Penny and Shaq.   All luck.  Very transparent process too

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Posted

Hear me out.  Fire Nico. Package AD and Flagg for Luka. 
 

Lakers can make playoff run in LBJ’s final season and Mavs fans can act like the past few months were a bad dream.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

I assume you’re joking. This pick had zero to do with the trade. It was a Dallas pick not a Laker pick, and he traded to be a contender now, not to get a lottery pick. 

Brother, this pick had everything to do with the trade. 

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Posted
36 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Hear me out.  Fire Nico. Package AD and Flagg for Luka. 
 

Lakers can make playoff run in LBJ’s final season and Mavs fans can act like the past few months were a bad dream.  

That's the funny part to me. Had the Lakers been able to offer AD AND Flagg 3 months ago for Luka, I think every GM in the league except for Nico still says no (though, they'd definitely at least have a meeting to discuss it).

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Y'all harping on the Spurs luck with Duncan etc while ignoring blatant ideal scenarios in Chicago, Cleveland, NO, Orlando, etc is something.

Hell the Spurs were at 21 something percent odds for Duncan. You think the league didn't want Duncan in Boston? Uh, ok.

Now, I'll agree that the Mavs and NBA are corrupt as hell and probably have been a few other times.

But Saint Pop and Timmy are unbesmirchable and you should feel ashamed.

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9 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

Y'all harping on the Spurs luck with Duncan etc while ignoring blatant ideal scenarios in Chicago, Cleveland, NO, Orlando, etc is something.

Hell the Spurs were at 21 something percent odds for Duncan. You think the league didn't want Duncan in Boston? Uh, ok.

Now, I'll agree that the Mavs and NBA are corrupt as hell and probably have been a few other times.

But Saint Pop and Timmy are unbesmirchable and you should feel ashamed.

Can we agree that something is not right?  Your first paragraph says alot and that doesn’t include Ewing to NY and Akeem to the Rockets 

 

it’s not always about market size.  It’s about super teams. Robinson and Tim were a natural pairing. Wembys best spot was SA

Posted
2 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

doesn’t include Ewing to NY

The lottery in 84 or whenever was all lottery teams had the same odds. 

Was there fuckery still to get Ewing to NY? Maybe.

The NBA, if it was acting purely in their best interests, would not want the Spurs as a superteam.

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cuban sold 69% to miriam for 3.5b, he retains 27%

4.13% remains with mary stanton, widow of horace ardinger who bought that stake in 1980 for $300k and did not sell along with the other minority owners in december 23

ai sez:

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Rumored NBA expansion fees are expected to range from $4 billion to $7 billion per new team, depending on the market and a potential bidding war. Some reports suggest the league could collect as much as $10 billion combined from two new teams. These fees would be distributed among the existing 30 owners.

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someone please figure out the math:

1 that buys out the remaining 31% of the dallas nba franchise (so it moves to vegas)

2 how is the $10 billion for the "new" sonics and the "new" mavs split between the 2 teams based on market value or tv sets or whatever

3 then reverse that math back in to slightly higher payments to all of the other ownership groups i.e. the adelsons don't get a taste of the expansion fees for the 2 "new" teams because they got a massive discount to buy themselves out of the clusterfuck they created

4 what is that number cuban has to come up with or find other investors to co-fund the "new" mavs?

 

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Posted
10 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Reaves for Gafford would be great for both teams.

 

9 hours ago, threesheets said:

Holy fuck no. 

Why not? We're not gonna give Gafford what he wants after this season.  We need an on-ball guard who can create.  Defense from that position is of secondary concern.  Luka gets his big. 

Posted
19 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

The NBA, if it was acting purely in their best interests, would not want the Spurs as a superteam.

Disagree.  Right now, Wemby is the future face of the league.  They want to surround him with talent, and if that means Spurs use the #2 to get Giannis, that just helps get more eyeballs watching Spurs games. 

Plus, considering the Spurs are probably one of the more, if not the most, well-run franchises in the past 2 decades or so, and Pop just went to the FO full-time - #2 pick is a nice gift. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Disagree.  Right now, Wemby is the future face of the league.  They want to surround him with talent, and if that means Spurs use the #2 to get Giannis, that just helps get more eyeballs watching Spurs games. 

Plus, considering the Spurs are probably one of the more, if not the most, well-run franchises in the past 2 decades or so, and Pop just went to the FO full-time - #2 pick is a nice gift. 

Yes you need eyeballs in every market not just nyc and la.  The nba is pretty strategic.  Maybe the nfl should do a lottery. Imagine the ratings

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Posted
1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yes you need eyeballs in every market not just nyc and la.  The nba is pretty strategic.  Maybe the nfl should do a lottery. Imagine the ratings

Spurs already have a huge French following from the Parker days, and now Wemby, and they can get those Greek fans. It’s not media markets these days, the NBA is global. Fans follow players 

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Just now, Js1 said:

Spurs already have a huge French following from the Parker days, and now Wemby, and they can get those Greek fans. It’s not media markets these days, the NBA is global. Fans follow players 

Wemby is a quiet guy like Tim.  Pop was the perfect guy to mentor him. Rest of lottery teams were trash.  
 

flagg would’ve been buried in dc or Charlotte.  Dallas now has a big three and one of the best starting fives in league 

Posted
10 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

 

Why not? We're not gonna give Gafford what he wants after this season.  We need an on-ball guard who can create.  Defense from that position is of secondary concern.  Luka gets his big. 

I just think he's an awful player that has his moments. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Wemby is a quiet guy like Tim.  Pop was the perfect guy to mentor him. Rest of lottery teams were trash.  
 

flagg would’ve been buried in dc or Charlotte.  Dallas now has a big three and one of the best starting fives in league 

The problem is the timeline of the Dallas roster.  Irving and AD are 33 and 32 respectively and Irving likely won't play until 26/27 when he'll be 35.  With AD, this is Anthony Davis we're talking about so who knows how much longer he'll hang on?

By the time Flagg enters his peak phase in 3-4 years, Irving and Davis will be long gone.  Contrarian take here but Dallas should trade AD for young assets and draft picks.  Not sure what to do with Irving.  

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Not sure what to do with Irving. 

He's going to have a Butler-style meltdown and demand a trade. Dallas will get scraps and few 2nd round picks in the 2080's in exchange for Irving's layover to Shenzen

Posted
15 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The problem is the timeline of the Dallas roster.  Irving and AD are 33 and 32 respectively and Irving likely won't play until 26/27 when he'll be 35.  With AD, this is Anthony Davis we're talking about so who knows how much longer he'll hang on?

By the time Flagg enters his peak phase in 3-4 years, Irving and Davis will be long gone.  Contrarian take here but Dallas should trade AD for young assets and draft picks.  Not sure what to do with Irving.  

If they're healthy, Dallas will make a run.  Great team makeup as far as complimentary basketball

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

He's going to have a Butler-style meltdown and demand a trade. Dallas will get scraps and few 2nd round picks in the 2080's in exchange for Irving's layover to Shenzen

I feel like Kyrie is the type to blow up when he has leverage  Not sure he has that.

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4 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

If they're healthy, Dallas will make a run.  Great team makeup as far as complimentary basketball

I feel like Kyrie is the type to blow up when he has leverage  Not sure he has that.

That's like saying if Scarlett Johansson would sleep with me if I were literally the last man on earth.  "If Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis are healthy..."

Posted
2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Can we agree that something is not right?  Your first paragraph says alot and that doesn’t include Ewing to NY and Akeem to the Rockets 

 

it’s not always about market size.  It’s about super teams. Robinson and Tim were a natural pairing. Wembys best spot was SA

The 1984 Olajuwon/Jordan draft was the last of the "coin flip" era before the lottery. It was Houston vs. Portland (who owned Indiana's pick). It was probably corrupt that NBA said Houston won assuming they'd pick Olajuwon. 1985 was the first lottery with the "frozen envelope" where the Knicks got Ewing. They went to weighted lottery odds after 1990.

Some of the most anticipated #1 picks since were:

  • Shaq (Orlando had 15% odds) - Trying to help new franchise/market?
  • Chris Webber (Orlando had 1.5% odds) - Trying to build a powerhouse with Shaq?
  • Tim Duncan (Spurs had 21% odds) - Seemed destined to Celtics. San Antonio is an odd choice to be an NBA darling
  • Yao Ming (Rockets had 9% odds) - Decent Asian population in Houston, uniforms are still Chinese-influenced, but if that was the reason it's odd because Warriors had top 3 odds that lottery.
  • Lebron (Cleveland had 22% odds) - Obvious place to put him, expecting him to be the anointed super star anywhere
  • AD (New Orleans had 14% odds) - Trying to keep Pelicans from folding or relocating again
  • Wiggins (Cleveland had 1.7% odds) - Pairing a star with Lebron so he could win (pick traded for Kevin Love)
  • Simmons (Philly had 25% odds) - 76ers coach was former Australian national team coach
  • Zion (NO had 6% odds) - Thanks to NO for trading AD to Lakers
  • Wemby (Spurs had 14% odds) - Spurs/Pop had become darlings by now, and had a huge French following due to Tony Parker
  • Flagg (Dallas had 1.8% odds) - Thanks for trading Luka to Lakers, need to calm the Dallas pitchforks

Definite room for conspiracy theory on most/all of them.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

The Mavs need to address point guard in free agency or it’s going to be a long year even with Flagg + “healthy” AD. 
 

I’d target Schroder. He’s a UFA. 

We're getting Giddey via s&t for PJ and we're gonna like it. 

 

I would love Tyus Jones.  Wouldn't hate D'Lo but he'd be more expensive.

Posted
4 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Spurs have landed robinson, duncan , Wemby.   Cavs land Bron.  Orlando gets Penny and Shaq.   All luck.  Very transparent process too

don’t forget patrick ewing.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

The 1984 Olajuwon/Jordan draft was the last of the "coin flip" era before the lottery. It was Houston vs. Portland (who owned Indiana's pick). It was probably corrupt that NBA said Houston won assuming they'd pick Olajuwon. 1985 was the first lottery with the "frozen envelope" where the Knicks got Ewing. They went to weighted lottery odds after 1990.

Some of the most anticipated #1 picks since were:

  • Shaq (Orlando had 15% odds) - Trying to help new franchise/market?
  • Chris Webber (Orlando had 1.5% odds) - Trying to build a powerhouse with Shaq?
  • Tim Duncan (Spurs had 21% odds) - Seemed destined to Celtics. San Antonio is an odd choice to be an NBA darling
  • Yao Ming (Rockets had 9% odds) - Decent Asian population in Houston, uniforms are still Chinese-influenced, but if that was the reason it's odd because Warriors had top 3 odds that lottery.
  • Lebron (Cleveland had 22% odds) - Obvious place to put him, expecting him to be the anointed super star anywhere
  • AD (New Orleans had 14% odds) - Trying to keep Pelicans from folding or relocating again
  • Wiggins (Cleveland had 1.7% odds) - Pairing a star with Lebron so he could win (pick traded for Kevin Love)
  • Simmons (Philly had 25% odds) - 76ers coach was former Australian national team coach
  • Zion (NO had 6% odds) - Thanks to NO for trading AD to Lakers
  • Wemby (Spurs had 14% odds) - Spurs/Pop had become darlings by now, and had a huge French following due to Tony Parker
  • Flagg (Dallas had 1.8% odds) - Thanks for trading Luka to Lakers, need to calm the Dallas pitchforks

Definite room for conspiracy theory on most/all of them.

Good list.  How about D Rose?  Also Rod Thorn got the #1 pick his first year with the Nets

Posted
2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Disagree.  Right now, Wemby is the future face of the league.  They want to surround him with talent, and if that means Spurs use the #2 to get Giannis, that just helps get more eyeballs watching Spurs games. 

Plus, considering the Spurs are probably one of the more, if not the most, well-run franchises in the past 2 decades or so, and Pop just went to the FO full-time - #2 pick is a nice gift. 

But the point being made was "creating superteams" and that San Antonio was for some reason selected out as a superteam by the NBA in 1997, and was gifted Duncan after being gifted Robinson just like it's perceived Dallas was gifted Flagg yesterday.

In 1997 the odds were #1 Boston and #2 San Antonio, and having Duncan in Boston and Shag/Kobe in LA would have been easily accomplished, and more importantly vastly preferred, by Stern/NBA. By roughly 10,000% 

A new Boston/LA rivalry would have brought way more eyeballs, love and hate, than a "superteam" in S.A. of all places.

But hey, I'm damn happy it went down the way it did and that the NBA is still tilting all the odds for my favorite superteam.

Posted
1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Why would the nba give a shit about San Antonio, Texas to the point of handing them 1/1s and this 1/2 to get good?

Conspiracy theory rot brain that is infecting everything, the most hilarious thing is that they can't even get their story straight, the lottery is RIGGED! for ratings! when the Lakers, Knicks, and Boston have a combined ONE first pick (Ewing, the first one, when the lottery was literally even odds for everyone that missed the playoffs). 

When you see the list of #1 lottery winners you get a graveyard of Nets, Clippers, Cavs, and Spurs. Honestly I think tanking for #1 is more of an excuse for GMs to fail at their jobs.

Posted
37 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

But the point being made was "creating superteams" and that San Antonio was for some reason selected out as a superteam by the NBA in 1997, and was gifted Duncan after being gifted Robinson just like it's perceived Dallas was gifted Flagg yesterday.

In 1997 the odds were #1 Boston and #2 San Antonio, and having Duncan in Boston and Shag/Kobe in LA would have been easily accomplished, and more importantly vastly preferred, by Stern/NBA. By roughly 10,000% 

A new Boston/LA rivalry would have brought way more eyeballs, love and hate, than a "superteam" in S.A. of all places.

But hey, I'm damn happy it went down the way it did and that the NBA is still tilting all the odds for my favorite superteam.

What was the make up of the Celtics roster?  Robinson and Duncan were a very unique pairing, basically Sampson/Akeem 2.0.  It's not necessarily about market size or team prestige.  Sometimes the NBA wants to grow markets as well.  I don't know if every lottery is rigged, hell the last one didn't need to be as it was a trash draft.

 

As a Lakers fan, I considered the Spurs as a rival back then for sure

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That said they need to review the rules once again, the new system encourages more teams tanking, but if they elminate the lottery and do it like the NFL, would NBA teams still tank from the start of the season anyhow?

Posted
1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Why would the nba give a shit about San Antonio, Texas to the point of handing them 1/1s and this 1/2 to get good?

They love big 'ol women?

5 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

What was the make up of the Celtics roster?

Bro it was Tim Duncan. It don't make a shit.

Posted
17 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Let’s not forget that the mavs also let an all-nba player go to New York as well.

He wasn't when he left, and he was stuck to the bench the playoffs the year before. By the Time Dallas actually saw what Brunson was, he shut it down.

Sure he would have signed 4/55 that summer. But the Mavs would have been stupid to do it at that time based on what he'd actually done for them on the court.

17 hours ago, dcar00 said:

Brunson wasn't going to stay. his dad made sure of that.  they did fuck up not trading him.

This.

16 hours ago, Fastbreak said:


Brunson has said he was going to sign but the mavs kept pushing the date. The deal was 4/$55m.

Yeah they keep pushing this narrative. He would have signed that summer. Mavs pushed the date cause they wanted to see him play, rightfully so.

Even STILL he wasn't THIS Brunson in Dallas. Much like Steve Nash he had to leave for his own team to become the stud he is anwyays.

15 hours ago, dcar00 said:

of course he did. he was trying to blame the Mavs because we weren't hiring his dad to be an assistant coach.  he was never signing here.  the problem was not trading him.

exactly.

3 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

cuban sold 69% to miriam for 3.5b, he retains 27%

4.13% remains with mary stanton, widow of horace ardinger who bought that stake in 1980 for $300k and did not sell along with the other minority owners in december 23

ai sez:

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Rumored NBA expansion fees are expected to range from $4 billion to $7 billion per new team, depending on the market and a potential bidding war. Some reports suggest the league could collect as much as $10 billion combined from two new teams. These fees would be distributed among the existing 30 owners.

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someone please figure out the math:

1 that buys out the remaining 31% of the dallas nba franchise (so it moves to vegas)

2 how is the $10 billion for the "new" sonics and the "new" mavs split between the 2 teams based on market value or tv sets or whatever

3 then reverse that math back in to slightly higher payments to all of the other ownership groups i.e. the adelsons don't get a taste of the expansion fees for the 2 "new" teams because they got a massive discount to buy themselves out of the clusterfuck they created

4 what is that number cuban has to come up with or find other investors to co-fund the "new" mavs?

 

Can we stop this...the Mavs aren't leaving. Would be an absolute shit storm if they did after all this.

1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

We're getting Giddey via s&t for PJ and we're gonna like it. 

 

I would love Tyus Jones.  Wouldn't hate D'Lo but he'd be more expensive.

I know some would hate this, but not me.  Giddey holding it down till Kai got back. Don't need to be a scorer at all, just play defense and facilitate.

Posted
33 minutes ago, linux said:

Conspiracy theory rot brain that is infecting everything, the most hilarious thing is that they can't even get their story straight, the lottery is RIGGED! for ratings! when the Lakers, Knicks, and Boston have a combined ONE first pick (Ewing, the first one, when the lottery was literally even odds for everyone that missed the playoffs). 

When you see the list of #1 lottery winners you get a graveyard of Nets, Clippers, Cavs, and Spurs. Honestly I think tanking for #1 is more of an excuse for GMs to fail at their jobs.

This.

It would take around 100 people to be in on this conspiracy and it's impossible to keep a secret anymore.

Conspiracies are for people who want to assign order to what is chaos.

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37 minutes ago, linux said:

Conspiracy theory rot brain that is infecting everything, the most hilarious thing is that they can't even get their story straight, the lottery is RIGGED! for ratings! when the Lakers, Knicks, and Boston have a combined ONE first pick (Ewing, the first one, when the lottery was literally even odds for everyone that missed the playoffs). 

When you see the list of #1 lottery winners you get a graveyard of Nets, Clippers, Cavs, and Spurs. Honestly I think tanking for #1 is more of an excuse for GMs to fail at their jobs.

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy, the lottery is a mechanism for the league to control their teams. 

Trade Luka and the they’ll give you Flagg.

Trade Chris Paul and they’ll give you AD.

Trade AD and they’ll give you Zion. 
 

Unfortunately for the Jazz and Wizards, they didn’t have anything the NBA wanted.

Posted
4 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy, the lottery is a mechanism for the league to control their teams. 

Trade Luka and the they’ll give you Flagg.

Trade Chris Paul and they’ll give you AD.

Trade AD and they’ll give you Zion. 
 

Unfortunately for the Jazz and Wizards, they didn’t have anything the NBA wanted.

Man can you imagine Shaq playing with Chris Weber!!?!   Wait what?   What a coincidence!!

Posted
5 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This.

It would take around 100 people to be in on this conspiracy and it's impossible to keep a secret anymore.

Conspiracies are for people who want to assign order to what is chaos.

I mean you can do that with science, we have done an enormous amount of ways to make something truly random like I dunno isotope decay, but instead we get people that are both incredibly lazy (them doing their "own research" is just watching grifters), and special snowflakes who could never follow the "official narrative"

Again the list of teams that are drafting #1 is a literal graveyard (except the Spurs that have gotten a lot of ships from it) great players but they almost always leave the teams, and while the Cavs won one it was AFTER the prodigal child returned they were never winning it with just Kirie and Anthony Bennet (lol), one of the most irrelevant things to have a conspiracy on.

 

Posted
6 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy, the lottery is a mechanism for the league to control their teams. 

Trade Luka and the they’ll give you Flagg.

Trade Chris Paul and they’ll give you AD.

Trade AD and they’ll give you Zion. 
 

Unfortunately for the Jazz and Wizards, they didn’t have anything the NBA wanted.

It is so damn hilarious when the league nixxed the Chris Paul trade to the Lakers, come on dude.

 

Posted
2 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

The Mavs need to address point guard in free agency or it’s going to be a long year even with Flagg + “healthy” AD. 
 

I’d target Schroder. He’s a UFA. 

They should definitely pick Dylan Harper

Posted
2 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

But then they approved a Paul trade to the Clippers all while fucking owning the franchise.

Again the Clippers have the most #1 picks of all the franchises, seems like an extremely convoluted conspiracy to give them what they always get no?

Again Zion, Ant, Cade, Paolo, Wemby and last year's #1 pick are the only players on their original teams. Notice a pattern? 2019 onwards? KAT was traded and wanted to stay but literally the rest is just teams losing their #1 picks during their prime. 

Franchises don't win for lack of #1, they do because they have shit front offices.

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