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Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention during the election, but I don't really remember any talk of annexing Canada, making all our allies fucking hate us, switching sides and supporting the invading country over our democratic ally, shutting down entire agencies illegally, dismantling our government, generally making us way less safe everywhere across the board..... 

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So apparently Trump mentioned that he didn't like the treaty establishing the US-Canada Border and that he didn't like our shared water agreements when talking to the Canadian PM. This and Trump just casually talking about Canada being the 51st state and referring to the Canadian PM as a governor. He is clearly threatening to annex all, or part, of Canada and taking their resources.

Insanity. How is the media not giving him hell over this? They act like all Canada is mad about is the tariffs.

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Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention during the election, but I don't really remember any talk of annexing Canada, making all our allies fucking hate us, switching sides and supporting the invading country over our democratic ally, shutting down entire agencies illegally, dismantling our government, generally making us way less safe everywhere across the board.....

No I was assured that all my memories of chaos and insanity during his first term was wrong, and I should prepare myself for a peaceful and prosperous time.

Instead my concerns were clearly insufficient for the actual danger he posed.

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2 hours ago, bolverk said:

TFG is slapping a 50% tariff on Canadian steel and aluminum. He goes on to say he'll kill their (and our) auto industry, along with continued threats to annex a peaceful, sovereign neighbor.

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Dumb question alert.

What cars do we import from Canada?  I wasn't aware the Canadians had any car brands of their own.  Are these American cars assembled in Canada, or am I missing something?

And aren't the tariffs Canada charges for dairy just part of the USMCA agreement Trump negotiated and signed with Canada just a few years ago?

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I was probably legit clinically depressed in the days/weeks after the election. This is going worse than I thought. Combined with no coherant resistance and Dotard’s still decent polls numbers….

It kept me away from here for a few months…and I’m still not engaged as much as I was, particularly in CR as I was closely tracking threads for news.  Had to stick my head in the sand because I knew it’d be bad

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3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

What cars do we import from Canada?  I wasn't aware the Canadians had any car brands of their own.  Are these American cars assembled in Canada, or am I missing something?

Tariffs work by taxing things crossing borders. Cars are assembled here in the US in Mexico, the US, and Canada with components and materials crossing borders multiple times. Hence the panic by the Auto industry over the tariffs.

The company whose brand is on the car is not the issue.

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1 minute ago, Valmy77 said:

Tariffs work by taxing things crossing borders. Cars are assembled here in the US in Mexico, the US, and Canada with components and materials crossing borders multiple times. Hence the panic by the Auto industry over the tariffs.

The company whose brand is on the car is not the issue.

As evidenced by Japaneese makers also puckering right now.  Lotsa Toyotas/Lexus' coming from Canadia too.

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7 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Tariffs work by taxing things crossing borders. Cars are assembled here in the US in Mexico, the US, and Canada with components and materials crossing borders multiple times. Hence the panic by the Auto industry over the tariffs.

The company whose brand is on the car is not the issue.

It is in the sense that my point is that it would disproportionally hurt the American auto industry.  Those of us buying imports from Europe, Japan and S. Korea would be relatively unaffected.

We're basically cutting off our own nose to spite Canada.

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12 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Dumb question alert.

What cars do we import from Canada?  I wasn't aware the Canadians had any car brands of their own.  Are these American cars assembled in Canada, or am I missing something?

And aren't the tariffs Canada charges for dairy just part of the USMCA agreement Trump negotiated and signed with Canada just a few years ago?

Yeah that really is a dumb question.  But, you won’t have to ask it again. Lots of assembly and parts manufacturing in Mexico too. 

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1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

It is in the sense that my point is that it would disproportionally hurt the American auto industry.  Those of us buying imports from Europe, Japan and S. Korea would be relatively unaffected.

We're basically cutting off our own nose to spite Canada.

Yes. For incomprehensible reasons.

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Why should someone named…Marco Rubio…be expected to understand Hispanic names?

El no habla, actually.  For our hispanic longhorns: He's one of *those.*

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Yeah that really is a dumb question.  But, you won’t have to ask it again. Lots of assembly and parts manufacturing in Mexico too. 

It was a rhetorical question, but I think you knew that

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2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

It is in the sense that my point is that it would disproportionally hurt the American auto industry.  Those of us buying imports from Europe, Japan and S. Korea would be relatively unaffected.

We're basically cutting off our own nose to spite Canada.

ok maybe you still need some help. All Japanese makes aren’t made in Japan and shipped here. Same for Korean and euro. Many are made here, or other countries in North America. Many have parts fabricated in North America that go to the North American assembly plants. 
 

this all worked great when we had free trade between us, Canada, and Mexico.  Now we do not. 

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1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

It was a rhetorical question, but I think you knew that

I DONT KNOW WHATS REAL ANYMORE OK

2 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

El no habla, actually.  For our hispanic longhorns: He's one of *those.*

He’s also not blonde. 

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

ok maybe you still need some help. All Japanese makes aren’t made in Japan and shipped here. Same for Korean and euro. Many are made here, or other countries in North America. Many have parts fabricated in North America that go to the North American assembly plants. 
 

this all worked great when we had free trade between us, Canada, and Mexico.  Now we do not. 

Not really.  Almost 50% of US cars are imported from Japan, S. Korea, and Germany.  Versus 36% from Mexico and Canada

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7 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

No it wasn't, but I don't think it was dumb either.  Here's a nice article that I think lays it all out really well.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/which-automakers-will-be-affected-by-tariffs

It actually was, I Googled it before posting, so already knew the answer but was playing dumb for the Trump effect.

I'm in the process of car shopping so this particular tariff hits home.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Dotard’s still decent polls numbers….

About that.  The aggregators have him recently going underwater again.  There won't be a rebound, it's all downhill from here until water finds its natural low 40s level.

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About that.  The aggregators have him recently going underwater again.  There won't be a rebound, it's all downhill from here until water finds its natural low 40s level.

Yeah he’s purposefully destroying our country and his “natural level” will be above Biden’s when he left office. That is the problem.
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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention during the election, but I don't really remember any talk of annexing Canada, making all our allies fucking hate us, switching sides and supporting the invading country over our democratic ally, shutting down entire agencies illegally, dismantling our government, generally making us way less safe everywhere across the board..... 

A lot of this was in Project 2025, I think.

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44 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

No it wasn't, but I don't think it was dumb either.  Here's a nice article that I think lays it all out really well.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/which-automakers-will-be-affected-by-tariffs

More to this point, in my effort to avoid actual work today, I took the liberty of identifying which cars are made in Mexico and Canada, along with their 2024 sales vs the total cars sold in the US.  So, if you're like me and looking to buy a new car, these should probably be avoided.

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4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

More to this point, in my effort to avoid actual work today, I took the liberty of identifying which cars are made in Mexico and Canada, along with their 2024 sales vs the total cars sold in the US.  So, if you're like me and looking to buy a new car, these should probably be avoided.

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I won’t be aggregating this data, but if you want some homework I’ll insist that other automakers that have plants in the USA source parts, I’m thinking primarily stamped body pieces but maybe not, from fabricators in Mexico and Canada to use at their plants in say marysville OH for accords, San Antonio tx for tundras and sequoias, whichever makers that I can’t recall off hand that are in Alabama and other places.  Feel like proving or disproving my assertion?

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14 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I won’t be aggregating this data, but if you want some homework I’ll insist that other automakers that have plants in the USA source parts, I’m thinking primarily stamped body pieces but maybe not, from fabricators in Mexico and Canada to use at their plants in say marysville OH for accords, San Antonio tx for tundras and sequoias, whichever makers that I can’t recall off hand that are in Alabama and other places.  Feel like proving or disproving my assertion?

That's even too deep a rabbit hole for me.  I've got my list narrowed to a few Toyotas.  Two are made in Japan (4Runner & Land Cruiser) and one in Indiana (Highlander).  Looked it up and there is a non-zero chance the Highlander sources some parts from Canada, so I'll keep an eye on that one.

Not sure I ever disagreed with your assertion, so you'll have to remind me what your assertion is.

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9 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

That's even too deep a rabbit hole for me.  I've got my list narrowed to a few Toyotas.  Two are made in Japan (4Runner & Land Cruiser) and one in Indiana (Highlander).  Looked it up and there is a non-zero chance the Highlander sources some parts from Canada, so I'll keep an eye on that one.

Not sure I ever disagreed with your assertion, so you'll have to remind me what your assertion is.

There *might* be a lag in the price of used cars since they're not subject to tariffs. If I were you, I'd find a year old car in whatever model you want and see if you can get it around blue book before everyone realizes they can jack up their used vehicles by 30% as well. 

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10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

That's even too deep a rabbit hole for me.  I've got my list narrowed to a few Toyotas.  Two are made in Japan (4Runner & Land Cruiser) and one in Indiana (Highlander).  Looked it up and there is a non-zero chance the Highlander sources some parts from Canada, so I'll keep an eye on that one.

Not sure I ever disagreed with your assertion, so you'll have to remind me what your assertion is.

Ew at least get the Grand Highlander

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2 hours ago, Red Five said:

Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention during the election, but I don't really remember any talk of annexing Canada, making all our allies fucking hate us, switching sides and supporting the invading country over our democratic ally, shutting down entire agencies illegally, dismantling our government, generally making us way less safe everywhere across the board..... 

Well, in usual every accusation is an admission fashion, Trump did try to label Biden a war machine and himself the Peace Time President. In Republican MAGA rhetoric that is translated to Trump will be a war machine and people will wish the Peace Time President Biden was still in the White House.

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30 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

That's even too deep a rabbit hole for me.  I've got my list narrowed to a few Toyotas.  Two are made in Japan (4Runner & Land Cruiser) and one in Indiana (Highlander).  Looked it up and there is a non-zero chance the Highlander sources some parts from Canada, so I'll keep an eye on that one.

Not sure I ever disagreed with your assertion, so you'll have to remind me what your assertion is.

Feeling a lot better about pulling the trigger on my Land Cruiser three weeks ago. It’s my understanding that all Land Cruisers and 4Runners are still being made in Japan and shipped.

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7 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

So dumb.

Even dumber is that Canada as “the 51st state” would immediately become the most-populous state in the US, therefore it would have more representatives (and EC votes) than even California.

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I did not have “borders are artificial constructs” on my MAGA bingo. Some real monkeys paw shit there. 

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

Even dumber is that Canada as “the 51st state” would immediately become the most-populous state in the US, therefore it would have more representatives (and EC votes) than even California.

Ha, you still think we are doing elected representatives? 

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2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Even dumber is that Canada as “the 51st state” would immediately become the most-populous state in the US, therefore it would have more representatives (and EC votes) than even California.

The votes would only count if they were for dotard....duh. 

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2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I did not have “borders are artificial constructs” on my MAGA bingo. Some real monkeys paw shit there. 

Just the Canadian one.  He's so cool with the Mexican one, he built a wall on it.

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4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I did not have “borders are artificial constructs” on my MAGA bingo. Some real monkeys paw shit there. 

Ha, you still think we are doing elected representatives? 

 

2 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

The votes would only count if they were for dotard....duh. 

Well, yeah, there’s that. Of course.

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13 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

Just the Canadian one.  He's so cool with the Mexican one, he built a wall on it.

Guess we should have made that border squiggly for no reason.  Wonder if anyone has told him yet that the ere have been disputes over that border previously and that Detroit was once Canadian. 

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10 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I can't believe this motherfucker is actually going to invade Canada. 

The only thing left is going to be what US citizens do when that happens?

It depends. How will 401ks react? 

Trump voters really are just about a narrow prism of perceived self interest. If they think it won’t affect or benefits them, it won’t matter.

As for the rest of us, I’m as curious as you are. For the record, though, I seriously doubt Trump invades Canada. 

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4 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

It depends. How will 401ks react? 

Trump voters really are just about a narrow prism of perceived self interest. If they think it won’t affect or benefits them, it won’t matter.

As for the rest of us, I’m as curious as you are. For the record, though, I seriously doubt Trump invades Canada. 

If we declare war on another country I guarantee you the stock market is going to fucking cut in half or more. So, they'll react badly. 

Listen, I know Trump was going to break the known world, but I didn't think Canada would make the cut. But here we are, and if there's one thing that's true, that stubborn narcissist will literally try to invade just because he felt slighted other countries said no. If you're big bad America, they'll let you do anything. You just grab them by the tariff and then 51st state them. He'll fucking try to invade just to prove a point. 

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