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42 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Gotta say, it's chilling to see the fascist thought police and state sponsored cancel culture in action. People are being tattled on to employers for perfectly legal statements, and the employers are going along with it and punishing anyone who thinks contrary to the Party line.

It's downright Orwellian and the height of irony to be coming from the Party that claims to love free speech and hate cancel culture

That shit has been happening as far back as the early 2000’s. Bill Maher was kicked off ABC for saying the 9/11 terrorists weren’t cowards. Even though he left an empty seat for a regular conservative  contributor who died on one of the planes that day, it’s been going on for a long time. People being fired and disciplined or put on leave for making statements that don’t match the narrative of the current party/administration in power. That’s a both sides kind of “thing.” 
 

I should also mention his roommate is a hero who helped LE as well. And this is not being said.
 

I’m still kinda fascinated with the furry thing. Also his roomie appears to either be a furry or a mascot. People were saying that the assassin dropped out of school after only one semester. I don’t know if that’s true but it tracks with these shooters. They don’t want to work in the real world or can’t bc of whatever reason. Just to hang out online and collect grievances and get angrier and angrier. This kid had a fairly decent sized friend group he was regularly in contact with. But what’s he been up to since high school? No idea but a lot of these young male shooters are similar in that regard. Not much since high school. No real effort to integrate into life. 

Picture of furry/mascot roommate. That culture of furries fascinates me.

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I should also mention his roommate is a hero who helped LE as well. And this is not being said.
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Straight up psychopath.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/us/kirk-killing-suspect-online-chat.html?unlocked_article_code=1.l08.989d.B7u0j3LaVgAY&smid=url-share

Tagging Mr. Robinson’s username on Discord, a messaging platform, the acquaintance attached the images and wrote “wya” — where you at? — with a skull emoji, suggesting that Mr. Robinson, 22, looked like the man being sought.

Mr. Robinson replied within a minute. His “doppelganger,” he wrote, was trying to “get me in trouble.”

“Tyler killed Charlie!!!!” another user wrote, apparently in jest.

That was on Thursday afternoon, around 1 p.m. local time. It was not until later that night, nearly 34 hours after the shooting, that Mr. Robinson was arrested on suspicion of carrying out the assassination of Mr. Kirk, 31, a conservative pundit whose killing has inflamed the political world.

After Mr. Robinson joked that the gunman was his look-alike, another user suggested that the group could turn Mr. Robinson in and get the $100,000 reward that the F.B.I. was offering.

“Only if I get a cut,” Mr. Robinson responded.

Someone posted, “Whatever you do, don’t go to a mcdonalds anytime soon,” a reference to the arrest of Luigi Mangione, who was found at a McDonald’s restaurant and charged with the killing of a health insurance chief executive in Manhattan.

Mr. Robinson agreed and offered a supposed joke of his own, writing “better also get rid of this manifesto and exact copy rifle I have lying around.”

When another user suggested that the killing of Mr. Kirk would lead President Trump to send the National Guard to Utah, the suspect replied, “in a red state??? nah CLEARLY the shooter was from california.”

Around that time, several news outlets reported that ammunition found near a rifle at the scene included engravings referencing “transgender ideology.” The truth, ultimately, was that the engravings included the phrase “hey fascist! CATCH!” as well as lyrics from an antifascist Italian folk song and a reference to a sexual meme about a “bulge.”

But at the time, before the exact phrasing of the engravings was publicly known, the suspect sent messages that suggested he was closely following the news.

“I heard the ammo had somethin about trans stuff on it, but they aren’t releasing photos or exact quotes,” he wrote. He added: “and also the claim wasn’t backed by the official fbi, just some dude in the briefing room.”

A few minutes later, he joked: “I’m actually Charlie Kirk, wanted to get outta politics so I faked my death, now I can live out my dream life in kansas.”

Mr. Robinson’s messages on Discord appeared next to his avatar, which was from a Garfield comic and depicted the confused face of Garfield’s owner, Jon Arbuckle.

Following the suspect’s arrest on Thursday night, members of the group chat on Discord struggled to believe that he was actually being accused of the crime. “Our governor wants to give him the death penalty dude,” one wrote.

Another said: “I truly cannot distinguish if this is for real.”

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5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I'd argue that the keep it simple, stupid explanation is that the group that has been targeting Kirk for years, harassing him online and in person, going to his events to disrupt and force him to answer purity test questions, resulted in one of them finally shooting him. 

But who the fuck knows with these perpetually online dorks. Could be anything. Could be nothing (for the lulz).

This I think is what I’m profoundly interested in. The shooters no matter their home life are almost the exact same person, despite politics or religion or whatever else. They are the same person over and over again. And how do we stop that shit. The thing is too many soft targets for those fucks to go after on both sides of the aisle and I want to know how they become so angry that they do this shit. And if there is some kind of tipping point where we can intervene before it leads to someone else being callously murdered. Or I’m just an idealist here. 

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13 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Straight up psychopath.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/us/kirk-killing-suspect-online-chat.html?unlocked_article_code=1.l08.989d.B7u0j3LaVgAY&smid=url-share

Tagging Mr. Robinson’s username on Discord, a messaging platform, the acquaintance attached the images and wrote “wya” — where you at? — with a skull emoji, suggesting that Mr. Robinson, 22, looked like the man being sought.

Mr. Robinson replied within a minute. His “doppelganger,” he wrote, was trying to “get me in trouble.”

“Tyler killed Charlie!!!!” another user wrote, apparently in jest.

That was on Thursday afternoon, around 1 p.m. local time. It was not until later that night, nearly 34 hours after the shooting, that Mr. Robinson was arrested on suspicion of carrying out the assassination of Mr. Kirk, 31, a conservative pundit whose killing has inflamed the political world.

After Mr. Robinson joked that the gunman was his look-alike, another user suggested that the group could turn Mr. Robinson in and get the $100,000 reward that the F.B.I. was offering.

“Only if I get a cut,” Mr. Robinson responded.

Someone posted, “Whatever you do, don’t go to a mcdonalds anytime soon,” a reference to the arrest of Luigi Mangione, who was found at a McDonald’s restaurant and charged with the killing of a health insurance chief executive in Manhattan.

Mr. Robinson agreed and offered a supposed joke of his own, writing “better also get rid of this manifesto and exact copy rifle I have lying around.”

When another user suggested that the killing of Mr. Kirk would lead President Trump to send the National Guard to Utah, the suspect replied, “in a red state??? nah CLEARLY the shooter was from california.”

Around that time, several news outlets reported that ammunition found near a rifle at the scene included engravings referencing “transgender ideology.” The truth, ultimately, was that the engravings included the phrase “hey fascist! CATCH!” as well as lyrics from an antifascist Italian folk song and a reference to a sexual meme about a “bulge.”

But at the time, before the exact phrasing of the engravings was publicly known, the suspect sent messages that suggested he was closely following the news.

“I heard the ammo had somethin about trans stuff on it, but they aren’t releasing photos or exact quotes,” he wrote. He added: “and also the claim wasn’t backed by the official fbi, just some dude in the briefing room.”

A few minutes later, he joked: “I’m actually Charlie Kirk, wanted to get outta politics so I faked my death, now I can live out my dream life in kansas.”

Mr. Robinson’s messages on Discord appeared next to his avatar, which was from a Garfield comic and depicted the confused face of Garfield’s owner, Jon Arbuckle.

Following the suspect’s arrest on Thursday night, members of the group chat on Discord struggled to believe that he was actually being accused of the crime. “Our governor wants to give him the death penalty dude,” one wrote.

Another said: “I truly cannot distinguish if this is for real.”

Yeah that kid has zero empathy nor sympathy. Sociopath is correct. I just wonder if they are all sociopaths bc the evidence seems to be somewhat overwhelming that they are. He’s a hate filled asshole. But like was he born without empathy or sympathy? Or did he just gradually become that way? Was the kid smiling (kinda) in that nicely furnished dorm room already feeling homicidal? Or is it that he could never assimilate? Once high school was over just wanted to sleep late and be online 24/7. He was absolutely giddy thinking he got away with this and also checking to see what people thought. Must have been a real surreal moment for him when his father confronted his ass. And saw behind the mask of who his son was pretending to be? 

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23 hours ago, Covri said:

The reporter absolutely deserves blame for that horseshit and the guardian deserves some blame publishing it before the internal fact checkers verified any of it. Reporter wanted the scoop and it fit the guardians biases so they ran with it. I wonder how long they knew before they retracted it.

The guardian piece was no different than abc news being told the Korean pilot was named wi too low and airing that.  It reeked from the beginning. 

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3 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

That shit has been happening as far back as the early 2000’s. Bill Maher was kicked off ABC for saying the 9/11 terrorists weren’t cowards. Even though he left an empty seat for a regular conservative  contributor who died on one of the planes that day, it’s been going on for a long time. People being fired and disciplined or put on leave for making statements that don’t match the narrative of the current party/administration in power. That’s a both sides kind of “thing.” 

I don't agree with your framing at all. For one, it's republican administrations in both cases not #bOtHsIdEs. For two, there were not members of the Bush administration going around giving statements and speaking from the White House about how they are going to use this to crush their political opposition with force.

You're comparing apples to assholes

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4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

This I think is what I’m profoundly interested in. The shooters no matter their home life are almost the exact same person, despite politics or religion or whatever else. They are the same person over and over again. And how do we stop that shit. The thing is too many soft targets for those fucks to go after on both sides of the aisle and I want to know how they become so angry that they do this shit. And if there is some kind of tipping point where we can intervene before it leads to someone else being callously murdered. Or I’m just an idealist here. 

Yeah, these aren't people with deeply-seeded political beliefs (other than nihilism, I suppose) or even any real vendetta against their targets. I doubt we're going to get a manifesto or even an obvious ramp up in his online language.

My BIL used to work in a cyber terrorism (the foreign variety) group in the FBI, monitoring known online gathering places and dark web shit. I imagine the same exists stateside. But, you're right, where's the tipping point from dumb kids being dumb kids to "this dude is a serious threat."

 

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Just now, Captainant said:

I don't agree with your framing at all. For one, it's republican administrations in both cases not #bOtHsIdEs. For two, there were not members of the Bush administration going around giving statements and speaking from the White House about how they are going to use this to crush their political opposition with force.

You're comparing apples to assholes

I may steal apples to assholes. So are you saying no one was fired for speech during the Biden or Obama administrations for their beliefs or if they were it was deserved bc all of those fired were in the wrong? All those cancelled were in the wrong? I don’t want to misinterpret what you said. And I type in stream of consciousness that aggravates everyone. And often times bc of that I’m misunderstood but that’s a me thing. Not the reader’s fault. 

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2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yeah, these aren't people with deeply-seeded political beliefs (other than nihilism, I suppose) or even any real vendetta against their targets. I doubt we're going to get a manifesto or even an obvious ramp up in his online language.

My BIL used to work in a cyber terrorism (the foreign variety) group in the FBI, monitoring known online gathering places and dark web shit. I imagine the same exists stateside. But, you're right, where's the tipping point from dumb kids being dumb kids to "this dude is a serious threat."

 

Very well said. What is the tipping point? Because no one of us wants to live in some Minority Report type thing where a kid is just pissed off fires off something in a chat or whatever and has FBi crawling up their asses. These kids legit idolize what the other ones of them have done and try to improve on it. Maybe flagging searchers for other shooters and combining it with other internet activity MIGHT be helpful and just monitoring it. But even then it’s not full proof just like how FBI profiles can be wrong as fuck (my friend murdered by the Baton Rouge serial killer everyone thought was a white male bc of the profile and completely ignored the massive red flags and observations of other local parish LE about Derrick Todd Lee, a black serial killer bc he didn’t fit the white male orofile) 

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15 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

are you saying no one was fired for speech during the Biden or Obama administrations for their beliefs

There were not coordinated, well-funded, mass-harassment campaigns 

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2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

So are you saying no one was fired for speech during the Biden or Obama administrations for their beliefs or if they were it was deserved bc all of those fired were in the wrong?

"Being fired for their beliefs" is a weasel word way to conflate then and now. Biden firing people for saying "COVID isn't real" is not in the same solar system as "Kirk supported what happened to Kirk". There are beliefs that are actually WRONG and dangerous to hold in a leadership position. If you dEePlY bElIeVe that injecting yourself with bleach is a cure for COVID, should you be allowed to hold a public health related office?

6 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

All those cancelled were in the wrong?

I think "cancelling" is bullshit in general and used as a false grievance by shithead culture warriors. Shane Gillis was cancelled? Suuuuuure lol

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I also don’t want to live in a state where people lose their jobs over mean or innocuous social media posting.  I opted out of social media (other than here) a few years ago but it’s crazy to me the benign things that are getting people in trouble. 

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15 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I also don’t want to live in a state where people lose their jobs over mean or innocuous social media posting.  I opted out of social media (other than here) a few years ago but it’s crazy to me the benign things that are getting people in trouble. 

Same. Same. 

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19 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I think "cancelling" is bullshit in general and used as a false grievance by shithead culture warriors. Shane Gillis was cancelled? Suuuuuure lol

Shane Gillis was absolutely cancelled. He lost his job with Saturday Night Live and a majority of his sponsors and fellow mainstream comedians completely stopped associating with him.

Most people who have that type of cancellation either disappear or lean hard into it and become a FOXnews pundit.

Shane didn’t do either. He kept his podscast going, started a web series, and was still do shows at a discounted rate for anyone who would let him.

Just because he was able to recover, does not mean he wasn’t cancelled.

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5 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Shane Gillis was absolutely cancelled. He lost his job with Saturday Night Live and a majority of his sponsors and fellow mainstream comedians completely stopped associating with him.

Most people who have that type of cancellation either disappear or lean hard into it and become a FOXnews pundit.

Shane didn’t do either. He kept his podscast going, started a web series, and was still do shows at a discounted rate for anyone who would let him.

Just because he was able to recover, does not mean he wasn’t cancelled.

Fair. Were those events caused by the government getting involved?

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Just now, TKthunder2 said:

Shane Gillis was absolutely cancelled. He lost his job with Saturday Night Live and a majority of his sponsors and fellow mainstream comedians completely stopped associating with him.

Most people who have that type of cancellation either disappear or lean hard into it and become a FOXnews pundit.

Shane didn’t do either. He kept his podscast going, started a web series, and was still do shows at a discounted rate for anyone who would let him.

Just because he was able to recover, does not mean he wasn’t cancelled.

He just kept doing what he was doing. And nobody stopped him.

You're describing consequences, not cancellation. And it wasn't the office of President advocating for specific, targeted actions

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27 minutes ago, Captainant said:

"Being fired for their beliefs" is a weasel word way to conflate then and now. Biden firing people for saying "COVID isn't real" is not in the same solar system as "Kirk supported what happened to Kirk". There are beliefs that are actually WRONG and dangerous to hold in a leadership position. If you dEePlY bElIeVe that injecting yourself with bleach is a cure for COVID, should you be allowed to hold a public health related office?

I think "cancelling" is bullshit in general and used as a false grievance by shithead culture warriors. Shane Gillis was cancelled? Suuuuuure lol

I’m just merely pointing out that a majority of people whether they identify as conservative or liberal see things very differently when it comes to online speech. For the most part I’m agnostic politically. I see flaws in both parties. I see flaws. So I don’t take my marching orders from anyone. I seek to better understand. I make mistakes all the time but I pride myself on trying to get to the heart of why people say what they do or think what they think. I often misinterpret what others say. So I try very hard to make sure that I understand where they are coming from. 
 

I don’t know if you put much stock in Pew Research. My understanding was that they are non partisan. But I found their research into how people on both sides of the political spectrum view online comments and how they should be dealt with far differently. 
 

screenshots are comments from a project Pew did about a decade ago and it seems just as relevant today. Those are from their site. I am also linking the article. People see things way differently. And it explains a lot about where we are today imo. 
 

My opinions constantly evolve. But the idea I have to endorse a particular idea or opinion or “popular groupthink” or I’m a bad person with bad intentions is where I wholeheartedly disagree. I seek to understand and I absolutely try to the best of my abilities to be mindful that many of my privately held opinions are not shared and I do try very hard to not be offensive. Aggravating sure, but I do try very hard to be respectful with most everyone I encounter online and in person. Even if I 100% think they are wrong. Most people aren’t bad people. But the idea we can only think one way or have opinions one way is what is wrong and bad. My opinions constantly evolve. Constantly. 
 

history tells the tale. We could have been all wrong about something that has happened in the last 25 years and later learn we were 100 wrong and destroyed others because of being wrong. Happens all the time, 

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Fuck forgot to link article. Sorry. https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2021/05/19/americans-and-cancel-culture-where-some-see-calls-for-accountability-others-see-censorship-punishment/
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24 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I also don’t want to live in a state where people lose their jobs over mean or innocuous social media posting.  I opted out of social media (other than here) a few years ago but it’s crazy to me the benign things that are getting people in trouble. 

Not that I like or agree with coordinated efforts to open people up to harassment, threats, and loss of employment (especially when it appears that absolutely zero effort is being made to distinguish between those truly celebrating a man's death in gross ways and those merely pushing back on the MLK meets Jesus narrative being pushed), it's hard to have a ton of sympathy for people who, somehow, still don't understand that social media is written in ink and is seen by way more people than you realize.

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Not that I like or agree with coordinated efforts to open people up to harassment, threats, and loss of employment (especially when it appears that absolutely zero effort is being made to distinguish between those truly celebrating a man's death in gross ways and those merely pushing back on the MLK meets Jesus narrative being pushed), it's hard to have a ton of sympathy for people who, somehow, still don't understand that social media is written in ink and is seen by way more people than you realize.

But it’s just words!!!  I guess that applies only in specific situations. 
 

the other issue is that, keeping to political speech and actions, when right wing folks demand things of the left, there is often capitulation under the umbrella of practice what you preach or be better than them. But when the left demand similar of the right, they say fuck you. So only one side gets harmed in the exchange. 

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Yeah, these aren't people with deeply-seeded political beliefs (other than nihilism, I suppose) or even any real vendetta against their targets. I doubt we're going to get a manifesto or even an obvious ramp up in his online language.

My BIL used to work in a cyber terrorism (the foreign variety) group in the FBI, monitoring known online gathering places and dark web shit. I imagine the same exists stateside. But, you're right, where's the tipping point from dumb kids being dumb kids to "this dude is a serious threat."

 

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

They don’t want to work in the real world or can’t bc of whatever reason. Just to hang out online and collect grievances and get angrier and angrier.

So you’re saying we need to keep an eye on Derka? 

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2 minutes ago, Underdog said:

So you’re saying we need to keep an eye on Derka? 

I like Derka. But I think the main topic here outside of talking about Charlie Kirk’s killer and how we can possibly stop future assassinations is the topic of: is it ok to celebrate Charlie Kirk’s murder? And I can’t believe the answer isn’t basically a resounding no save a few fringe lunatics. That’s my whole deal. I don’t know what his family or most particularly his widow will feel about whether or not the state of Utah seeks the death penalty but the governor said he would absolutely take in the family’s input. In other words if she doesn’t want the DP pursued they won’t do it. I’d like to think after listening to a couple of Kirk’s videos of his events that she would not want to take a kid from his parents. No matter how deplorable he may be. I won’t judge her if she wants the DP but I’d like to think that she won’t want it pursued. 
 

Kirk’s biggest thing was the family. And how important a family was. In particular how important fathers were. And the assassin took a father away from his family. The main thing Kirk said he cared about most of all outside of his faith. So if after the dust settles and all the investigation stuff is done into the assassin and his “motive” maybe she will decide that just because this asshole took her husband cruelly from her family that she cannot take him from his parents. Particularly a parent who did the RIGHT thing by turning his son in and he was faced with an impossible choice. But he still did the right thing. Knowing the DP would absolutely be in play when he turned his son in. Despite as reports have suggested his son said he would kill himself if his father did that. A very scary choice and he made the right one. 
 

I don’t think she will want the DP but I won’t judge her if she does. 

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30 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I like Derka. But I think the main topic here outside of talking about Charlie Kirk’s killer and how we can possibly stop future assassinations is the topic of: is it ok to celebrate Charlie Kirk’s murder? And I can’t believe the answer isn’t basically a resounding no save a few fringe lunatics. That’s my whole deal. I don’t know what his family or most particularly his widow will feel about whether or not the state of Utah seeks the death penalty but the governor said he would absolutely take in the family’s input. In other words if she doesn’t want the DP pursued they won’t do it. I’d like to think after listening to a couple of Kirk’s videos of his events that she would not want to take a kid from his parents. No matter how deplorable he may be. I won’t judge her if she wants the DP but I’d like to think that she won’t want it pursued. 
 

Kirk’s biggest thing was the family. And how important a family was. In particular how important fathers were. And the assassin took a father away from his family. The main thing Kirk said he cared about most of all outside of his faith. So if after the dust settles and all the investigation stuff is done into the assassin and his “motive” maybe she will decide that just because this asshole took her husband cruelly from her family that she cannot take him from his parents. Particularly a parent who did the RIGHT thing by turning his son in and he was faced with an impossible choice. But he still did the right thing. Knowing the DP would absolutely be in play when he turned his son in. Despite as reports have suggested his son said he would kill himself if his father did that. A very scary choice and he made the right one. 
 

I don’t think she will want the DP but I won’t judge her if she does. 

I love you and respect your opinions - but if found guilty, death by firing squad seems especially appropriate in this case. 

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4 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I love you and respect your opinions - but if found guilty, death by firing squad seems especially appropriate in this case. 

You’re a very good friend. I struggle with the DP all the time, it’s hard for me to accept that putting someone to death is the answer.
 

But I think the DP is a good bargaining chip to get people to plead guilty. Most people like Kohberger and this assassin don’t want to actually die, they are fucking cowards and would shit their pants.  I’ve said that the DP was tailor made for someone like Bryan Kohberger. If he doesn’t deserve to die with pain and fear and terror than damn…because he does but I guess I’m softening as I grow older. I just don’t think putting people to death fixes anything other than an eye for eye sort of justice type thing. 
 

So while I respect in particular the rights of the victims families —I personally have changed my mind as it applies to most murder cases.
 

Except  I do think it is warranted when a convicted murderer continues to be a threat behind bars. I personally would prefer to use the considerable amount of money that goes into death penalty cases and appeals and apply those resources towards stopping the next killer and trying to prevent the rise of more like him. But that’s just me. 

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4 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I believe that is meant deeply-seeded with all intensive purposes.

Pretty sure I've literally never gotten this one right. As much as I tell myself it's deeply-seated, seeded makes more sense to my brain for something taking hold deep within you below the surface. English is dumb.

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7 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

You’re a very good friend. I struggle with the DP all the time, it’s hard for me to accept that putting someone to death is the answer.
 

But I think the DP is a good bargaining chip to get people to plead guilty. Most people like Kohberger and this assassin don’t want to actually die, they are fucking cowards and would shit their pants.  I’ve said that the DP was tailor made for someone like Bryan Kohberger. If he doesn’t deserve to die with pain and fear and terror than damn…because he does but I guess I’m softening as I grow older. I just don’t think putting people to death fixes anything other than an eye for eye sort of justice type thing. 
 

So while I respect in particular the rights of the victims families —I personally have changed my mind as it applies to most murder cases.
 

Except  I do think it is warranted when a convicted murderer continues to be a threat behind bars. I personally would prefer to use the considerable amount of money that goes into death penalty cases and appeals and apply those resources towards stopping the next killer and trying to prevent the rise of more like him. But that’s just me. 

That is a very fair analysis. Ridic how much we will have to spend to kill him or shelter him for life!  No easy choices.

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7 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Pretty sure I've literally never gotten this one right. As much as I tell myself it's deeply-seated, seeded makes more sense to my brain for something taking hold deep within you below the surface. English is dumb.

I wrote that tongue and cheek. I literally could care less if you ever get it right.. But, glad you are trying to nip it in the butt.

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15 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I believe that is meant deeply-seeded with all intensive purposes.

It's meaningfully applicable both ways, really, but I've never been certain about the correct usage. A little column A, a little column B.

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21 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

That is a very fair analysis. Ridic how much we will have to spend to kill him or shelter him for life!  No easy choices.

what if i told you the former is a far larger number than the latter?

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13 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I wrote that tongue and cheek. I literally could care less if you ever get it right.. But, glad you are trying to nip it in the butt.

Nothing brings Surly together faster than grammar puns.

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21 hours ago, BrickTop said:


Mauser in those old sporterized rifles refers to the action, they were used in lots of builds because they are bomb proof, no traditional German rifles chamber [emoji[emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png]]]emoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]]]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png]]-[emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png]][emoji[emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png]]][emoji[emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png]]]emoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]]]][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emoji[emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png]]][emoji[emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png]]]emoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]]]][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.png[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji637.png]][emojiemoji638.pngemoji639.png[emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png][emoji[emoji6emoji640.pngemoji638.png]emoji640.pngemoji640.png]]]]], that’s sporterized.

Bro get the fuck off tapatalk. What are you 200 years old?

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Posted
37 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

You’re a very good friend. I struggle with the DP all the time, it’s hard for me to accept that putting someone to death is the answer.
 

But I think the DP is a good bargaining chip to get people to plead guilty. Most people like Kohberger and this assassin don’t want to actually die, they are fucking cowards and would shit their pants.  I’ve said that the DP was tailor made for someone like Bryan Kohberger. If he doesn’t deserve to die with pain and fear and terror than damn…because he does but I guess I’m softening as I grow older. I just don’t think putting people to death fixes anything other than an eye for eye sort of justice type thing. 
 

So while I respect in particular the rights of the victims families —I personally have changed my mind as it applies to most murder cases.
 

Except  I do think it is warranted when a convicted murderer continues to be a threat behind bars. I personally would prefer to use the considerable amount of money that goes into death penalty cases and appeals and apply those resources towards stopping the next killer and trying to prevent the rise of more like him. But that’s just me. 

It's perfectly natural to have mixed thoughts on DP. I would make sure you have the right partners and are in a safe environment where everyone feels comfortable. 

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Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Nothing brings Surly together faster than grammar puns.

Bunch of lawyers who secretly want to be English teachers. Maybe that will change the world. All these Surlies so concerned with grammar give up their useless lawyering and become school teachers. Teaching grammar. The online community will make them Gods for doing this. 😂 

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Posted
51 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I struggle with the DP all the time, it’s hard for me to accept

 

37 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

glad you are trying to nip it in the butt.

So much sexual tension in here. 
 

13 minutes ago, ztejas said:

It's perfectly natural to have mixed thoughts on DP. I would make sure you have the right partners and are in a safe environment where everyone feels comfortable. 

Oddly specific. 

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Posted

 
Kirk’s biggest thing was the family. And how important a family was. In particular how important fathers were. And the assassin took a father away from his family. The main thing Kirk said he cared about most of all outside of his faith. So if after the dust settles and all the investigation stuff is done into the assassin and his “motive” maybe she will decide that just because this asshole took her husband cruelly from her family that she cannot take him from his parents. Particularly a parent who did the RIGHT thing by turning his son in and he was faced with an impossible choice. But he still did the right thing. Knowing the DP would absolutely be in play when he turned his son in. Despite as reports have suggested his son said he would kill himself if his father did that. A very scary choice and he made the right one. 
 
I don’t think she will want the DP but I won’t judge her if she does. 

Dude. Shooting someone is wrong. Period, full stop.
But stop whitewashing him. Most important thing was “family?”
How “pro-family” is it to tell every black pilot (or any trained professional) that you question their qualifications BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK?
How “pro-family” is it to put a professor on what YOU CALL a “hit list,” and then when your followers understandably issue death threats to her, you’re silent (and thus functionally supportive)?
How “pro-family” is it to say “Of course you should be able to use whips against foreigners that are coming into your country. Why is that controversial?” Do “foreigners” not have families?
Fuck whitewashing him. Two things can be true: he was a hateful scourge on humanity, and NOBODY has the right to choose to take his life.
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Posted
12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Dude. Shooting someone is wrong. Period, full stop.
 

FIFY. After “full stop” you don’t add but. Not how it works. Especially adding like 1000 words of your opinions.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I love you and respect your opinions - but if found guilty, death by firing squad seems especially appropriate in this case. 

Let’s just ignore all the innocent people killed under the death penalty because you’re pretty sure that this one is OK.   And ask yourself if the people seeking the death penalty - which would be the government - can be counted on to be impartial and to submit all of the Brady information they are required to disclose.   Even though they routinely don’t.   Even that bitch Nancy Grace was disciplined for hiding exculpatory evidence when she was a prosecutor.  They do it all the time.

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