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1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said:

I’m not disagreeing with the premise that many innocent people have been executed, but your argument loses force when you present bad numbers.  There have been fewer than 1700 executions in the US since the removal of the death penalty moratorium 1976. 

What about before 1972 when the moratorium began?

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

And this is where you show you are not a serious person 

787 Million and counting shows who's lying and who isn't. And don't give me those cbs and abc settlements in response. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


Also…I like how me doing things like quoting Charlie Kirk’s own words about whipping foreigners and such is “my opinion.” I’m sorry if the guy you desperately want to canonize was actually a pretty shitty person. Again, “being a shitty person who I disagree with” should not result in murder, state-sanctioned punishment, etc….which 1) seems like it should be a non-controversial take, and 2) is the opposite approach as our current regime is taking in response to Kirk’s death.
I’m curious…do yall have as much of a problem with THAT, the state literally saying that anyone on the left should be punished and exiled from this country, as you do with me just quoting some of the worst things Kirk actually said?
Because I assure you, I am much less a threat to this republic than Stephen Miller is, but I’m the one you’re pissed at.
I think I’ve spotted one of our many, may problems.

I simply said I have an issue with people who say, “Period, full stop” and then continue to write 1000 words of opinions. 
 

You say you were just quoting some of the worst things Kirk actually said but I don’t see any of his quotes in your post. You mean your paraphrasing and opinions of your paraphrasing?

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Posted
21 minutes ago, bolverk said:

What does that tell you? Well, it tells you that Darren V Michael posted that meme 6 DAYS BEFORE Kirk was murdered, and so therefore, it wasn't in reference to Charlie Kirk.

Folks, take a moment to scroll through @DripChud's Xitter account (https://xcancel.com/DripChud), and tell me what you see. If you prefer to give traffic clicks to a website that promotes actual fucking Nazis, you can also visit the original https://x.com/dripchud?lang=en.

They (Steven Miller) already told us: they don't give a shit about facts, they're using this murder as their cudgel to do their fascism 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

So creepy. 

Being one of the very few females on an overwhelmingly old male-dominated online forum is an experience I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

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27 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I simply said I have an issue with people who say, “Period, full stop” and then continue to write 1000 words of opinions. 
 

You say you were just quoting some of the worst things Kirk actually said but I don’t see any of his quotes in your post. You mean your paraphrasing and opinions of your paraphrasing?

 

I'm happy to provide you with some direct quotes from Charlie Kirk. What are your opinions on each of these statements?

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”

“They're coming out, and they're saying, 'I'm only here because of affirmative action.' Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."

 

“We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.” 

“You might want to crack open that Bible of yours. In a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture, is in Leviticus 18 is that, ‘thou shalt lay with another man shall be stoned to death.’ Just sayin’! So Miss Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19… the chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

“It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.”

“Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical open-border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews and now it’s coming for Jews, and they're like, ‘What on Earth happened?’ And it's not just the colleges. It's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it.”

“MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.”

 

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2 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Agree. The remnants of the MSM are thoroughly engaged in lying to their readers, mostly by omission buy also by commission. Reference the three years long Russia Hoax which, once that expired, they went with years of COVID lies. You'd have to be low IQ to expect them to tell you the truth.

Fuck you you lying piece of shit

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Posted
13 minutes ago, bolverk said:

“You might want to crack open that Bible of yours. In a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture, is in Leviticus 18 is that, ‘thou shalt lay with another man shall be stoned to death.’ Just sayin’! So Miss Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19… the chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

wow I forgot he was trying to start beef with Miss Rachel - what an absolute culture warrior.

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Posted (edited)
39 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I’m not disagreeing with the premise that many innocent people have been executed, but your argument loses force when you present bad numbers.  There have been fewer than 1700 executions in the US since the removal of the death penalty moratorium 1976. 

I know the direct numbers of the Innocence Project. But you should take those numbers and multiply them across the decades before and across all the cases where nobody have any DNA evidence due to circumstances. Thousands is a projection, but it is a reasonable mathematical projection based on historical records. The Innocence Project was only the part of the iceberg that was above water. The truly awful shit will never make headlines.

I would add that I am a Catholic and so oppose the death penalty on principle.

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Posted (edited)
58 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I’m not disagreeing with the premise that many innocent people have been executed, but your argument loses force when you present bad numbers.  There have been fewer than 1700 executions in the US since the removal of the death penalty moratorium 1976. 

Well, wrongful executions is one of those numbers that doesn't need a lot of context and doesn't need to be "per capita" to be meaningful.

I think most people are fairly serious when they repeat the old saw "better a dozen guilty go free than an innocent be convicted."

And here we're not talking about merely convicted, but executed or well en route to being executed.  The 201 actual exonerations from death row since 1973 should alarm the shit out of everyone.  That's 201 innocents not only convicted, but sentenced to death despite all the safeguards.  Yeeeouch.

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49 minutes ago, bolverk said:

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”

 

I'm gonna address just this one.  If you asked Kirk about that statement, he would say "it's because affirmative action raised that question in my mind because it inherently gives positions to the less qualified."

Without debating about that statement, which could be characterized as more of a debatable position than the above quote, it doesn't really matter what the genesis of the soundbite was:  people only hear the pretty trenchantly racist part of it.  And I think that's by design.

That's an attention-seeking and less-than-good-faith argument style.

Also on the "cost of the Second Amendment," he gives the example of driving and rattles off a few of the social benefits of driving and say they offset the 50k motor vehicle fatalities.  But he just assumes any benefit of unrestricted gun ownership without itemizing any such benefits.

And then he reduces the argument to absurdity:  "we're never going to have zero gun deaths."

And all of this was on some kind of very friendly show, not any kind of debate.  The Charlie Kirk Show for the first, something else for the second, with a cheering audience.

 

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Posting this separately from the above.

This is a Freakonomics show featuring Patrick Deneen, a Notre Dame professor that is an advocate of "common good."  Perhaps not him specifically, but his writings underpin a lot of the right-wing authoritarian movement and provide a non-selfish justification for some of the shit that's going down.

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He makes some very valid observations about problems with our "democratic experiment," some forewarned at the founding.  But his proposed solutions are  . . . distasteful.

So, this is a guy that could be massively controversial and also provides intellectual underpinnings to some of the P2025/alt-right crew, like people claim was Charlie Kirk.

But he's not.  And listen to him talking to Steven Dubner on Freakonomics.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/has-america-lost-its-appetite-for-the-common-good/

Compare and contrast with Charlie Kirk.

And, seriously, if you aren't familiar with "common good," listen to that.  

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