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56 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

So I understand the frustration of just saying to shut down the government, but if the Dems don’t do it in the context of winning the propaganda war they will not do well in the mid terms. And that is the real goal. Once again, the Democrats can’t get out of the way of their own bad/no strategies. 

It will be 2026, nobody in this country has the attention span to watch a 2hr movie, so they aren't going to be thinking about a shutdown a year ago when they're at the ballot box.

They're going to be thinking about whatever FoxNews or the, new and improved, right-wing TikTok told them earlier that morning as they talked to that nice young soldier who is at the polling place to protect them from any rabid trans person trying to use the bathroom.

 

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21 hours ago, bolverk said:

 

On my way to dinner last night, I heard someone on NPR report that one of the reasons the last shutdown ended was due to actions like these by TSA agents. I'd forgotten all about that.

Great that I fly to Guadalajara from dfw in about 4 hours…

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

If pelosi sells you know we've reached the point of no return. Prepare your anus at that point. 

By "sells" do you mean sell out? 

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On 9/26/2025 at 2:49 PM, Bateshorn said:

There’s a couple of things at play: 10 democrats need to vote with Republicans to pass the continuing resolution. Fetterman is probably a yes, so the number is 9.  If Schumer asks for 8 plus himself, he’ll get it. 

And any of them that do should be primaried out of their spot. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The classic performative bit from democrats is so played out especially since they’re giant pussies and always cave. 

The always cave part is the bad part. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

The always cave part is the bad part. 

Their performative shit is just as bad. How about instead of setting up this photo op you get in front of every camera, every short form video like TikTok, reels, etc, and push the narratives you want pushed. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Their performative shit is just as bad. How about instead of setting up this photo op you get in front of every camera, every short form video like TikTok, reels, etc, and push the narratives you want pushed. 

Because they dont know how to do that. 

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My son is caught up in it. He's a lawyer at EPA, furloughed during his approved parental leave. Now it's no longer paid leave. Pretty tough on a young family living in  Capitol Hill. 

Our nation is in sad shape. A really dangerous place.

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1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

It will be 2026, nobody in this country has the attention span to watch a 2hr movie, so they aren't going to be thinking about a shutdown a year ago when they're at the ballot box.

They're going to be thinking about whatever FoxNews or the, new and improved, right-wing TikTok told them earlier that morning as they talked to that nice young soldier who is at the polling place to protect them from any rabid trans person trying to use the bathroom.

 

This is the type of short-term thinking that has doomed the Democratic Party for a long time. Meanwhile, starting with Rush Limbaugh over thirty years ago, then Fox News, and now Project 2025, the Republicans have had a detailed multi-decade plan they’ve been implementing that crosses the judicial branch, executive branch, local and state politics, and communications programs with a consistent set of messages and strategies.

But sure, just go ahead and assume the Democrats can do well in 13 months by throwing some shit together in July next year to try to win.  I’m sure it will work great  

 

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14 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

This is the type of short-term thinking that has doomed the Democratic Party for a long time. Meanwhile, starting with Rush Limbaugh over thirty years ago, then Fox News, and now Project 2025, the Republicans have had a detailed multi-decade plan they’ve been implanting that crosses the judicial branch, executive branch, local and state politics, and communications programs with a consistent set of messages and strategies.

But sure, just go ahead and assume the Democrats can do well in 13 months by throwing some shit together in July next year to try to win.  I’m sure it will work great  

 

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I dont believe in a "oh no they'll give the right-wing media a talking point" problem, because no matter what happens there will be a right-wing media talking point that sticks. That's partially due to the long term planning you mentioned and also quite a bit of luck that right-wingers happened to be strong in non-traditional media places when that scene blew up over the last 20 years.

 

Yes, you need a plan and yes, Dems are really bad at having a coherent, long-term plan but this particular moment is small potatoes on next November.

 

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7 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

Dems should shut this shit down and not give in. No one gives a fucka about ICE kidnapping citizens , about Epstein, and the war crimes. Doesn’t matter happens Dems will be blames because big cities have crime and are dangerous. Fuck it let it rip and shut it down. Don’t give in 

The problem is that a lot of people who rely on government checks may stop getting them.  Government workers may be furloughed or laid off.  Etc.

I understand that a lot of us are in FAFO mode when it comes to MAGA getting consequences (including me), but many of the people who could suffer now are single moms, senior citizens, etc, who didn't do anything wrong.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

They are deliberately incompetent, that's kind of the entire point.

They aren't. They are just incompetent. There's nothing deliberate about it. 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

They aren't. They are just incompetent. There's nothing deliberate about it. 

You realize that both can be true, right? They are nakedly acting as a controlled opposition party, and also are personally incompetent.

I'm not disagreeing with you, is what I'm saying. You're just not seeing the whole picture.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

You realize that both can be true, right? They are nakedly acting as a controlled opposition party, and also are personally incompetent.

I'm not disagreeing with you, is what I'm saying. You're just not seeing the whole picture.

I am seeing the whole picture. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy. 

These are people who were elected by their constituents and have no idea how to do their fucking jobs. That's it. They are trying desperately to do their job, but they don't know how to do it. That's incompetence. 

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33 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

The problem is that a lot of people who rely on government checks may stop getting them.  Government workers may be furloughed or laid off.  Etc.

I understand that a lot of us are in FAFO mode when it comes to MAGA getting consequences (including me), but many of the people who could suffer now are single moms, senior citizens, etc, who didn't do anything wrong.

FWIW, Social Security checks will continue during the shutdown, but point taken on government workers, many of whom live paycheck to paycheck.

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8 minutes ago, immamac said:

They are trying desperately to do their job

Cracking Up Lol GIF by STRAPPED!

Name one thing, ANYTHING, that backs up this statement. Show me what Hakeem Jefferies or Chuck Schumer are doing that indicates they are "desperately trying to do their job.

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2 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

It will be 2026, nobody in this country has the attention span to watch a 2hr movie, so they aren't going to be thinking about a shutdown a year ago when they're at the ballot box.

 

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

This is the type of short-term thinking that has doomed the Democratic Party for a long time.

Ezra Klein was on with Tim Miller at The Bulwark and they talked about this-two 2018 shut downs didn’t hurt the GOP electoral prospects in 2020 (they picked up seats) or in 2014 following the 2013 shut-down (again, picked up seats).  It’s just not something voters appear to place a big priority on.  
 

Also, you’re giving the GOP way too much credit for strategic maneuvering over a long period of time.  They basically got lucky that they found a master communicator who can speak stupid to a cohort of voters emboldened by social media algorithms that every one of their infantile thoughts is precious and equally valid as those from the better educated, and should be spread publicly on Facebook and Twitter.  

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50 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

The problem is that a lot of people who rely on government checks may stop getting them.  Government workers may be furloughed or laid off.  Etc.

I understand that a lot of us are in FAFO mode when it comes to MAGA getting consequences (including me), but many of the people who could suffer now are single moms, senior citizens, etc, who didn't do anything wrong.

About a 50/50 chance they voted for this by voting for Trump so don't know if you can really say they did nothing wrong...

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33 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Cracking Up Lol GIF by STRAPPED!

Name one thing, ANYTHING, that backs up this statement. Show me what Hakeem Jefferies or Chuck Schumer are doing that indicates they are "desperately trying to do their job.

I guess you’re going to have to articulate what you think they should be doing so we can compare what they’re doing with what you want them to do.

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1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

The problem is that a lot of people who rely on government checks may stop getting them.  Government workers may be furloughed or laid off.  Etc.

I understand that a lot of us are in FAFO mode when it comes to MAGA getting consequences (including me), but many of the people who could suffer now are single moms, senior citizens, etc, who didn't do anything wrong.

on one hand, you have the very livelihood of the constitutional republic called the United States of America, which is currently on a direct course to fail and repudiate everything we believed in during the history of our country.

On the other hand, you have people who will get hurt if the GOP drives us into the ditch, but there’s a small chance we can save our country if the injuries from driving into the ditch or so serious and severe that everyone retaliates against the GOP.

like I’ve said several times, I am hoping for a great depression. That is the only thing that will ultimately strip away this selfishness and stupidity to an extent that voters only look at their current situation.  And if it’s bad enough with the GOP, then they’ll try something else. But it has to be really bad for many people to pull the switch for a Democrat.   So I want it really bad.

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1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

I guess you’re going to have to articulate what you think they should be doing so we can compare what they’re doing with what you want them to do.

I would counter by asking you what, precisely, are they doing? In the past 4-5 months, Schumer has done more to promote his book than he has as opposition minority leader. They have no interest in pushing policy or expressing anything more than superficial opposition to a fascist takeover of our government. They are less than useless. They are all but complicit and should be on the wall right next to Trump in a just world.

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8 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Which, to your point, is why I thought I agreed with the OP but now I think not.

If the general public or a vocal half of the country actually appreciate and like Trump and what he is doing, the fall out is going to be on the Dems who are viewed as sour grapes, obstructionist, trying to use loopholes to stop the government that America voted for.

Not on learned messageboards full of good poeple like surly, but in the court of popular opinion where the polls get done, the D's might be worse for the wear for any negative outcomes that happen with a prolonged or semi-prolonged shut down (e.g. crime spikes, airline issues, interest rate/stock market sell offs, lay offs, etc.)

It's putting 2026 midterms at risk potentially.

Oh wow another post where this guy wonders how the Democrats can fall and suggests they should give in to Republican demands. What a surprise from this definitely centrist unbiased poster. 

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Also, it isn't my fucking job to tell them how to do theirs. I type code for a living. These mother fuckers get paid, very well, to do literally anything and they refuse. Fuck outta here with the "WELL WHAT SHOULD THEY DO" shit.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I would counter by asking you what, precisely, are they doing? In the past 4-5 months, Schumer has done more to promote his book than he has as opposition minority leader. They have no interest in pushing policy or expressing anything more than superficial opposition to a fascist takeover of our government. They are less than useless. They are all but complicit and should be on the wall right next to Trump in a just world.

Why do you hate democracy?

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53 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You realize that both can be true, right? They are nakedly acting as a controlled opposition party, and also are personally incompetent.

I'm not disagreeing with you, is what I'm saying. You're just not seeing the whole picture.

 

50 minutes ago, immamac said:

I am seeing the whole picture. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy.

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????? Nothing about his post said, or even implied some kind of conspiracy.

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1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

The problem is that a lot of people who rely on government checks may stop getting them.  Government workers may be furloughed or laid off.  Etc.

I understand that a lot of us are in FAFO mode when it comes to MAGA getting consequences (including me), but many of the people who could suffer now are single moms, senior citizens, etc, who didn't do anything wrong.

Yea I get that but we can’t continue this shit. I am personally in FAFO mode as my company is laying off bigly next year due to BBB

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1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

The problem is that a lot of people who rely on government checks may stop getting them.  Government workers may be furloughed or laid off.  Etc.

I understand that a lot of us are in FAFO mode when it comes to MAGA getting consequences (including me), but many of the people who could suffer now are single moms, senior citizens, etc, who didn't do anything wrong.

Good so coordinate and completely blame republicans. They should never work with fascist nazis 

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13 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Oh wow another post where this guy wonders how the Democrats can fall and suggests they should give in to Republican demands. What a surprise from this definitely centrist unbiased poster. 

It's funny how consistent he is on this point.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Cracking Up Lol GIF by STRAPPED!

Name one thing, ANYTHING, that backs up this statement. Show me what Hakeem Jefferies or Chuck Schumer are doing that indicates they are "desperately trying to do their job.

Was that the reaction when dotard brought up eating the dogs and cats in the debate?  

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14 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

 

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????? Nothing about his post said, or even implied some kind of conspiracy.

Intentionally incompetent, that would require them to be conspiring to be this way in purpose. 

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36 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

 

You are murdering me with hyperbole.

Maybe, but considering she underperforms basically every other Democrat she shares a ballot with, it’s hard to say otherwise. The reasons why are very different, but it reminds me of Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz- a politician who the majority in their state can basically live with in office or thinks they serve a purpose, but there’s not much affection there. 
She should have stayed in the appointee lane like Samantha Power. 

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16 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Also, it isn't my fucking job to tell them how to do theirs. I type code for a living. These mother fuckers get paid, very well, to do literally anything and they refuse. Fuck outta here with the "WELL WHAT SHOULD THEY DO" shit.

“ I have no earthly idea what they should be doing, but I’m here to tell you that they aren’t doing ANY of those good things whatever those are…”

I’m not sure that is your very best take in a thread talking about political strategy.    

All I know is that I’m having problems with my work software, and NONE of those coders were doing ANYTHING to solve the problems!!! And no, I’m not telling you what the coders should have been doing. It’s not my fucking job to tell them what to do; I do law for a living.

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Intentionally incompetent, that would require them to be conspiring to be this way in purpose. 

Whoa there friend.

One can be incompetent, but not doing it intentionally.  Exhibit A: my entire working career.  Exhibit B: a long line of Florida football head coaches.

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