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2 hours ago, horn_of_the_morning said:

I don't necessarily disagree with what you have written. Just want to add that hatred of Hindus and Jews is not some special version of Islam that they get they get access to in more religiously free societies.

They very textbooks in Pakistan are filled with explicit bigotry towards all non-believers but especially the Hanood (polytheist Hindus) and Yahood (Jews). This is well studied and documented. The very motto of Pakistan Army (which is the all powerful organization in Pakistan, as I am sure you are aware) calls for "Jihad in service of Allah", and no they are not talking about spiritual struggle.

So it would be more accurate to say that that,in free and open societies like Australia, UK and US, these nutjobs get an opportunity to act on their brainwashing because they have easy access to people they have been brainwashed to hate since as you correctly note, they have all but eliminated all other minorities in their own country.

This is a good post and I think I need to refine my take a bit. While the official, state-sponsored version of Islam in many Arab, Gulf, and South Asian states provides a scaffolding of intolerance and hatred for other faiths and minorities, it stops short at providing the motives and encouragement to actually become a militant or terrorist. 

Pakistan is a bit of a special example in that it is more willing to play with the hot stove of terrorism that most Gulf states have abandoned and views militant networks in Afghanistan and India as strategic assets even as it fights its own Pakistani Taliban. It is worth noting that the harshest forms of official Pakistani prejudice are aimed at unsatisfactory Muslims: the “apostate” Ahmadi and to a lesser extent the suspiciously tolerant Ismaili. 

But in all cases, state-sanctioned Islam, even of the extreme conservative bent, pulls up short of encouraging the type of nihilistic militancy of ISIS or AQ, for good reason: these groups have extreme hostility to the governments that don’t walk the walk and are pragmatic when dealing with the kaffir great powers. And proponents of ISIS-style militant Islam are not long for the world in places where an official Islam exists.

Which leads to an odd situation where the most fertile recruiting and proselytizing zones for nihilistic militant Islam are in places where state power has completely collapsed OR inside of open, tolerant, secular Western democracies. They are uniquely unsuited for combatting it, and the paradox of tolerance absolutely comes into play. People would be jailed in Saudi or the UAE for delivering the types of Friday sermons heard weekly in Molenbeek. The most effective ISIS recruiter was an Australian convert who the Aussies struggled to jail until he finally followed through on his calls for jihad and tried to stage an uprising in the Philippines. And, Western authorities lack the nuance and community ties to differentiate between bog-standard conservative Islam (which presents its own issues to a pluralistic society) and the far more acutely dangerous explodey militant version.

The great majority of Muslims, even devout or conservative Muslims in the West will do what most people of all faiths do, which is find ways to accommodate deeply held religious sensibilities with their new surroundings and norms. A much smaller number will be unable to do so, and will in fact be further inflamed because in this ideological worldview it is a humiliation for Muslims to be forced to seek material prosperity among non-believers.

It is very difficult for Western nations to tackle this issue, not in the least because unhelpful rhetoric about civilizational clashes with all Muslims in the West and calls for absurd crackdowns clashes with equally unhelpful allegations of Islamophobia and racism when a more targeted and sensible approach is being sorted out. 

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7 minutes ago, markstanco said:

So a domain called csis and adl. Mainstream. Also, pbs, lol. 

Yeah I knew pbs would trigger you.  But facts is facts as inconvenient as they may be for you and Dear Leader.

In case you hadn't noticed, ADL is Jews, and y'all are supposed to like Jews for now, especially the anti-Palestinian ones like ADL.

Center For Strategic and International Studies?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies Inform yourself.

Also note that the Trump Administration took down government data to the same effect.

And really, all you had to do was pay fucking attention for the last 10-20 years and you'd know that right-wing nutbags are leading the pack.

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15 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah I knew pbs would trigger you.  But facts is facts as inconvenient as they may be for you and Dear Leader.

In case you hadn't noticed, ADL is Jews, and y'all are supposed to like Jews for now, especially the anti-Palestinian ones like ADL.

Center For Strategic and International Studies?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies Inform yourself.

Also note that the Trump Administration took down government data to the same effect.

And really, all you had to do was pay fucking attention for the last 10-20 years and you'd know that right-wing nutbags are leading the pack.

Why would you know pbs triggers me? Spend 6 hours searching me saying anything about pbs. ???? Also if you keep saying right wing people are doing this it won’t speak it into  existence. 

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3 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Why would you know pbs triggers me? Spend 6 hours searching me saying anything about pbs. ???? 

 

26 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Also, pbs, lol. 

 

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4 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Why would you know pbs triggers me? Spend 6 hours searching me saying anything about pbs. ???? Also if you keep saying right wing people are doing this it won’t speak it into  existence. 

Because your team is obvious.

Your use of idiot terms like "Mainstream."  This isn't media.  This is data analysis.

More, from the Libertarian Cato Institute.

https://www.alexnowrasteh.com/p/politically-motivated-violence-is

Eighty-three percent of those murdered since 1975 were committed by the 9/11 terrorists (Figure 1). The Oklahoma City Bombing accounts for about another 5 percent. Those murdered since 2020 account for just 2 percent. Terrorists inspired by Islamist ideology are responsible for 87 percent of those murdered in attacks on US soil since 1975 (Table 1). Right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for 391 murders and 11 percent of the total. The definition here of right-wing terrorists includes those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies.

Left-wing terrorists murdered 65 people, or about 2 percent of the total. Left-wing terrorists include those motivated by black nationalism, anti-police sentiment, communism, socialism, animal rights, environmentalism, anti-white ideologies, and other left-wing ideologies. Those murders that are politically motivated by unknown or other ideologies are a vanishingly small percentage, which is unsurprising because terrorists typically want attention for their causes.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Because your team is obvious.

Your use of idiot terms like "Mainstream."  This isn't media.  This is data analysis.

More, from the Libertarian Cato Institute.

https://www.alexnowrasteh.com/p/politically-motivated-violence-is

Eighty-three percent of those murdered since 1975 were committed by the 9/11 terrorists (Figure 1). The Oklahoma City Bombing accounts for about another 5 percent. Those murdered since 2020 account for just 2 percent. Terrorists inspired by Islamist ideology are responsible for 87 percent of those murdered in attacks on US soil since 1975 (Table 1). Right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for 391 murders and 11 percent of the total. The definition here of right-wing terrorists includes those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies.

Left-wing terrorists murdered 65 people, or about 2 percent of the total. Left-wing terrorists include those motivated by black nationalism, anti-police sentiment, communism, socialism, animal rights, environmentalism, anti-white ideologies, and other left-wing ideologies. Those murders that are politically motivated by unknown or other ideologies are a vanishingly small percentage, which is unsurprising because terrorists typically want attention for their causes.

Not my team. I don’t kill people nor do I condone it. 

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2 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Not my team. I don’t kill people nor do I condone it. 

I didn't say you condone it.

But on the bullshit notion that Antifa and left-wing terrorism are our number one national terrorism problem, the American counterterrorism apparatus is being directed toward Trump's political enemies.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-bondi-memo-s-quiet-rewriting-of-domestic-terrorism-rules

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11 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Not my team. I don’t kill people nor do I condone it. 

Be honest, how many times a month do you accidentally put your underwear on inside out?

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Be honest, how many times a month do you accidentally put your underwear on inside out?

I actually did that with a Tshirt a few months back. Felt weird. 

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On 12/14/2025 at 6:59 PM, ROFL BOX said:


Bolt action shotgun?  Correct, not as common.  For Duck & Dove or Pheasant type wings hooting you want multiple "faster action / sweep & shoot" capability with a "sporting" plug (removeable) that restricts the # of rounds (shells) it will hold, making capacity from 5 down to 3.

Most bolt action shotguns are for slug shooting such as bear, deer, etc.
& From my first listen, I thought it was a shotgun.  Granted, phone recording.
 
Brave as fuck (& dangerous) for the person in or behind that black car to document the shooter for so long.
 

It's Australia. For a country with a rather large rural landmass, they have some of the the strictest gun control laws. Without looking, I'd imagine those are some of their only options outside of break action single or double guns. 

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6 hours ago, hookem2010 said:

PBS is fake news now? Which news sources are trustworthy? OAN?

The 700 Club

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Another story of heroism. This older gentleman apparently disarmed the father shooter (white pants) early on but the shooter had another weapon and killed the man and his wife. 
 

 

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17 hours ago, horn_of_the_morning said:

So it would be more accurate to say that that,in free and open societies like Australia, UK and US, these nutjobs get an opportunity to act on their brainwashing because they have easy access to people they have been brainwashed to hate since as you correctly note, they have all but eliminated all other minorities in their own country.

Good thing we've been so strict about vetting whoever comes across our borders. I'm sure we will be just fine. 

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Sajid Akram had been licensed to carry six firearms. Police say he had legally owned guns for the past 10 years.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-16/bondi-beach-terrorist-attack-maps-videos-explain-how-it-happened/106145448

Australia is moving toward steps to reign in an increase in gun ownership in recent years

The Bondi shooting has guaranteed that formulation of new laws to control gun use will be urgently considered at state and federal levels. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/dec/16/bondi-shooting-australian-gun-laws-reform-anthony-albanese-government

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58 minutes ago, Deej said:

Good thing we've been so strict about vetting whoever comes across our borders. I'm sure we will be just fine. 

Yeah I snuck a ton of members from my international serial killer chat group in. They are harmless. They just want to study serial killers in the home states they came from. Nothing to worry about. 
 

All kidding aside, our country over the last couple of years has allowed the floodgates to be open. Too late to pretend we didn’t let in people capable of carrying out a terrorist attack either. And I’m well aware we have enough homegrown assholes of our own to deal with already. Damn. 

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Posted
49 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Please can we stop citing the ADL as a credible source of information?

PBS triggered Stanco

ADL triggered Fantana

Politics and bedfellows and whatnot...

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22 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

It saddens me to know that some people on this board think PBS is not a legitimate news source. That is truly pathetic. 

There's a reason the American right has been trying to kill it for decades.

5 minutes ago, huge said:

PBS triggered Stanco

ADL triggered Fantana

Politics and bedfellows and whatnot...

ADL is a dogshit organization run by a Stephen Miller clone with a long history of defending the indefensible. Fuck yourself.

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52 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

All kidding aside, our country over the last couple of years has allowed the floodgates to be open. Too late to pretend we didn’t let in people capable of carrying out a terrorist attack either. And I’m well aware we have enough homegrown assholes of our own to deal with already. Damn. 

Our multitude of bombings and wars over there have led to the displacement of people to the US, Europe and elsewhere. Think of the massive costs of all that in lives and money with the only outcome being more instability and anger.

Netanyahu has been a huge negative for the US and the world.

 

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Yeah I snuck a ton of members from my international serial killer chat group in. They are harmless. They just want to study serial killers in the home states they came from. Nothing to worry about. 
 

All kidding aside, our country over the last couple of years has allowed the floodgates to be open. Too late to pretend we didn’t let in people capable of carrying out a terrorist attack either. And I’m well aware we have enough homegrown assholes of our own to deal with already. Damn. 

This kind of shit is so fucking funny.

Immigration law hasn't substantively changed since Reagan was President. Illegal immigration peaked under Bush II. But for the last ~30 years, probably ~50% of Americans have thought most immigrants suddenly showed up within just the immediately preceding 2-4 years. 

Nicole, you live in Texas. Does that sound anglo to you? We've got a state literally named New Mexico. Brisket has been talking about how long his family has been here for three fucking generations of these message boards. Why the fuck do you think "the floodgates" have opened just the last couple of years?

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Posted
1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Please can we stop citing the ADL as a credible source of information?

Given that it isn't information about Israel or Palestine, I think it should be allowed.

Posted
5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Given that it isn't information about Israel or Palestine, I think it should be allowed.

It goes far beyond that. I'm just saying that any statistics they compile and publish should be taken with a large grain of salt.

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This kind of shit is so fucking funny.

Immigration law hasn't substantively changed since Reagan was President. Illegal immigration peaked under Bush II. But for the last ~30 years, probably ~50% of Americans have thought most immigrants suddenly showed up within just the immediately preceding 2-4 years. 

Nicole, you live in Texas. Does that sound anglo to you? We've got a state literally named New Mexico. Brisket has been talking about how long his family has been here for three fucking generations of these message boards. Why the fuck do you think "the floodgates" have opened just the last couple of years?

Probably important to note that the only real substantive changes Biden made to immigration were to permit asylum claims while remaining in US and not treating first unlawful entry as a crime (also closely tied with family separation policies).

The real difference is the perception that Biden policy was more lenient than Trump's, driving people to the border.

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Yeah I snuck a ton of members from my international serial killer chat group in. They are harmless. They just want to study serial killers in the home states they came from. Nothing to worry about. 
 

All kidding aside, our country over the last couple of years has allowed the floodgates to be open. Too late to pretend we didn’t let in people capable of carrying out a terrorist attack either. And I’m well aware we have enough homegrown assholes of our own to deal with already. Damn. 

 

19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This kind of shit is so fucking funny.

Immigration law hasn't substantively changed since Reagan was President. Illegal immigration peaked under Bush II. But for the last ~30 years, probably ~50% of Americans have thought most immigrants suddenly showed up within just the immediately preceding 2-4 years. 

Nicole, you live in Texas. Does that sound anglo to you? We've got a state literally named New Mexico. Brisket has been talking about how long his family has been here for three fucking generations of these message boards. Why the fuck do you think "the floodgates" have opened just the last couple of years?

Seriously, it's almost as though the US has a strong demand for labor, and Mexico and Central America have a supply, and that the US Government has refused to enact an immigration system that meets with this fact, and instead have used immigration as a wedge issue to get bigots and stupid people to the polls. It's really not that fucking hard to enact legislation that allows hardworking people to come here legally while keeping bad people out to the extent possible, but nope, CARAVANS and everything bad is because of brown, and HOW DARE I PRESS 1 FOR ENGLISH! Also, undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a far lower rate than natural born citizens and even legal immigrants. It's almost as though they're here to work and feed their families and not to commit crimes. Nah, that can't be, they speak a different language and are therefore evil. 

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf

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52 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Brisket has been talking about how long his family has been here for three fucking generations of these message boards.

41 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Also, undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a far lower rate than natural born citizens and even legal immigrants. It's almost as though they're here to work and feed their families and not to commit crimes.

Cold hard truths.

My family has been here since it was Coahuila y Tejas, you fucking newcomers.  And one of my dad's first jobs was driving shuttle vans to get braceros (migrant workers) to farm work sites in S. Texas in the early 50s.

Raging against hispanics in America is as fucking stupid as raging against descendants of englishmen in America.  We were here at the inception.  And we've kept coming, just like the English, and Germans, and Irish, and Chinese (oh, remember - we hated the FUCK outta them too.  And the Irish.  And the dirty dagos.  Sense a pattern here?  Lazy xenophobia much?).

 

What I love about this reactionary "MUSLIMS ARE EVIL AND WE HAVE TO EXPEL THEM ALL!" is that it is literally identical to....the shit that islamofascists say and are demonized for.  "JEWS ARE EVIL AND WE MUST EXPEL THEM FROM THE HOLY LAND!"  And according to our right-wing thought leaders, the right response to the fact that a small percentage (seriously, it's a very small percentage) of muslims are of the "we cannot tolerate the infidel and must use violence against them" variety is.....to act exactly the same fucking way AGAINST them.

Personally, I say we expel all hateful assholes.  That way, we get to boot both islamofascists AND Christofascists.  If we got to put an islamic terrorist and Tommy Tubberville on the same plane outta here, it would be a massive win for society.

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