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4 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

defense aside, fun watch tbqh. 

We were legit robbed that year of pure magic, that Colt injury happening exactly when it did was the single greatest what if in the sport and nobody will ever convince me otherwise, people keep remembering the Nebraska game but that is not how the BCS title was looking on offense it was going to be a W. Yes 2008 was better but 09 was also a really good offense and I hate to say it much better offense than we have yet to see under Sark over the course of a season.

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30 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

This is where I am at. My memory is a bit fuzzy (perhaps intentionally) from the late Mack era but I seem to call us being frustrated with the defense. Yes, Muschamp was a fan favorite back then because he always carried himself like one should expect a DC to do but we were not playing well.

PK + Fatterson was a great combo for us. PK was bad here before Fatterson and was mediocre this year without him. Maybe he had to go.

He was only involved with the true "late Mack era" in the 2010 season. The 2008 and 2009 defenses that he coached were very good. 2010 was just a broken team. There was nothing Muschamp was going to do to fix it. 

18 minutes ago, linux said:

 

I posted it in the recruiting forum, but this was a Temu version of this year's A&M and the result was very bad, the offense saved the BCS bowl bid that game, although the blame reversed vs Nebraska but boy did the cult of muschamp memory hole the A&M game.

You're focusing on one game. That's ridiculous. It is possible for very good defenses to have a bad game. The defense didn't allow more than 24 points at any other point in the regular season. Texas was #6 in DFEI in 2009, # 3 in total defense, #12 in scoring defense, #1 in rushing defense, #10 in pass efficiency defense, gave up an average of 251 yards per game and 3.8 yards per play. Thinking that defense was anything except very fucking good is fucking stupid. 

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1 hour ago, BlackCat said:

Georgia buddy thinks this was a fantastic move for us. He thinks this was in response to Kiffin at LSU and that Muschamp has Kiffin's number. He thinks there's a chance UGA lost a bit of their edge this year (outside of playing us) because Muschamp was less involved. He also thinks Atkinson is a super star and that Muschamp is a great fit to get the most out of him. 

By the gods I hope Atkinson can be our next DJ. I loved ant hill but i want someone teams scheme away from, leading the whole d. 

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9 minutes ago, linux said:

We were legit robbed that year of pure magic, that Colt injury happening exactly when it did was the single greatest what if in the sport and nobody will ever convince me otherwise, people keep remembering the Nebraska game but that is not how the BCS title was looking on offense it was going to be a W. Yes 2008 was better but 09 was also a really good offense and I hate to say it much better offense than we have yet to see under Sark over the course of a season.

100%

rumor was he told his dad in the lockeroom after the injury when he was trying to make it work that he knew exactly what they were doing on defense and he had them. I think it was a crushing blow to Colt.

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2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

He was only involved with the true "late Mack era" in the 2010 season. The 2008 and 2009 defenses that he coached were very good. 2010 was just a broken team. There was nothing Muschamp was going to do to fix it. 

You're focusing on one game. That's ridiculous. It is possible for very good defenses to have a bad game. The defense didn't allow more than 24 points at any other point in the regular season. Texas was #6 in DFEI in 2009, # 3 in total defense, #12 in scoring defense, #1 in rushing defense, #10 in pass efficiency defense, gave up an average of 251 yards per game and 3.8 yards per play. Thinking that defense was anything except very fucking good is fucking stupid. 

The defense in 09 was good, but the same glaring flaws would surface again and again with his defenses, they got insane gaudy stats rushing but only because you subtract sacks (and TFL but it is more fair) ignoring the risks ultra aggression brings, anybody can coach the DL to ignore gap responsibility and just rush the QB, but that leaves holes they can run through.

I really really hope it is not a repeat and he has learned. Maybe his Florida, Georgia defenses did but I did not play attention.

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13 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

He was only involved with the true "late Mack era" in the 2010 season. The 2008 and 2009 defenses that he coached were very good. 2010 was just a broken team. There was nothing Muschamp was going to do to fix it. 

You're focusing on one game. That's ridiculous. It is possible for very good defenses to have a bad game. The defense didn't allow more than 24 points at any other point in the regular season. Texas was #6 in DFEI in 2009, # 3 in total defense, #12 in scoring defense, #1 in rushing defense, #10 in pass efficiency defense, gave up an average of 251 yards per game and 3.8 yards per play. Thinking that defense was anything except very fucking good is fucking stupid. 

almost won us a rose bowl and national title with a true freshman qb thrown into the game to boot. both of those teams were the best team in the country no one will every convince me otherwise.

Texas 2008, Texas 2009, Georgia 2022 and Georgia 2023 were all in the title game or should have been (2008 Texas). his teams went 2-1 in those games and the sole loss was when Colt went down. Muschamp is hands down the best defensive mind in college football. 

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6 minutes ago, linux said:

The defense in 09 was good, but the same glaring flaws would surface again and again with his defenses, they got insane gaudy stats rushing but only because you subtract sacks (and TFL but it is more fair) ignoring the risks ultra aggression brings, anybody can coach the DL to ignore gap responsibility and just rush the QB, but that leaves holes they can run through.

I really really hope it is not a repeat and he has learned. Maybe his Florida, Georgia defenses did but I did not play attention.

The theory is you get the big negative play and that stops the drive. You play conservative after getting it. OU is literally in the playoffs with a completely dysfunctional offense because it runs that kind of defense. Again, the 2009 was an elite defense, pretending otherwise is stupid.  Pretending Muschamp isn't a great defensive coordinator is stupid. 

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18 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

The theory is you get the big negative play and that stops the drive. You play conservative after getting it. OU is literally in the playoffs with a completely dysfunctional offense because it runs that kind of defense. Again, the 2009 was an elite defense, pretending otherwise is stupid.  Pretending Muschamp isn't a great defensive coordinator is stupid. 

PK's defense had some of this plus the assumption offenses can't reliably put together 10+ play drives. with the offensive production at the best programs now it's the right way to do it. 

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53 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

When he was at Florida, our defenses were great.  Our offense sucked, and he mistakingly thought that Florida fans would be happy with the 17-14 win.  

I'd like to remind you that we also won the Time of Possession BIGLY!  You know, even in the games we lost.  Respectfully, fuck that guy.

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42 minutes ago, linux said:

We were legit robbed that year of pure magic, that Colt injury happening exactly when it did was the single greatest what if in the sport and nobody will ever convince me otherwise, people keep remembering the Nebraska game but that is not how the BCS title was looking on offense it was going to be a W. Yes 2008 was better but 09 was also a really good offense and I hate to say it much better offense than we have yet to see under Sark over the course of a season.

We were going to win that MNC game by 14+ if Colt hadn't gone down.  We were down by 3 with the ball and a chance to go win it anyway in spite of 4 picks by a helpless backup QB.  With Colt, we roll their ass.

And I think we would have been a coin flip to beat Florida after the '08 season if we hadn't been ass rammed by a conference that for some reason hated one of its two bell cows.  All Florida did in that title game was beat ou by 10, same as we did.  It would have been a hell of a game.

But I'm over it.  God dammit.

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1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

We were going to win that MNC game by 14+ if Colt hadn't gone down.  We were down by 3 with the ball and a chance to go win it anyway in spite of 4 picks by a helpless backup QB.  With Colt, we roll their ass.

And I think we would have been a coin flip to beat Florida after the '08 season if we hadn't been ass rammed by a conference that for some reason hated one of its two bell cows.  All Florida did in that title game was beat ou by 10, same as we did.  It would have been a hell of a game.

But I'm over it.  God dammit.

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Posted
17 hours ago, David Dennison said:

This is an outstanding staff decision and we're bitchy.

Classic surly.

We need another "Surly" response option with an angry highland cow.

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I’m curious as to why Muschamp just wasn’t a good head coach. Usually guys that smart and motivated should be able to succeed. I realize guys like PK were meant to be coordinators, but Muschamp was/is different. 

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Everyone is acting like PK was so damn great, but our secondary hasn't been championship caliber besides last year and we fell short. In 2023 (even making it to the semifinals) we had one of the worst pass defenses in the country. So, how can we get to a point where our defense is consistently top 5 or even top 10 in every category going forward. Not just one off years.

 

Of course, offense needs to be better. But this was still a great move.

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In his press conference, Sark mentioned that having Boom will allow him to concentrate on the Offense in games instead of having to pay attention to the D when they're on the field.

A step in the right direction, but... sounds like he's keeping the OC job for himself, and that just prolongs the issue. I still think he needs to have a real OC who's smart enough and forceful enough to run that side, while allowing Sark as HC to override when he deems it necessary... you know, like going for it on 4th down  on your own 30. 

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2 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

In his press conference, Sark mentioned that having Boom will allow him to concentrate on the Offense in games instead of having to pay attention to the D when they're on the field.

A step in the right direction, but... sounds like he's keeping the OC job for himself, and that just prolongs the issue. I still think he needs to have a real OC who's smart enough and forceful enough to run that side, while allowing Sark as HC to override when he deems it necessary... you know, like going for it on 4th down  on your own 30. 

Pretty much the only reason why Muschamp wasn't successful as a HC was because he couldn't get a good and consistent offense on his teams while still having solid defenses. So, it makes sense that no one has to worry about Will being the defense's CEO. Next year, Sark can't make any excuses for the offense.

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19 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

The theory is you get the big negative play and that stops the drive. You play conservative after getting it. OU is literally in the playoffs with a completely dysfunctional offense because it runs that kind of defense. Again, the 2009 was an elite defense, pretending otherwise is stupid.  Pretending Muschamp isn't a great defensive coordinator is stupid. 

I would say OU is more chaotic than completely irresponsible, that is why a patient back like Wisner could gash them over and over again, all he had to do was observe and wait for a stunting lineman to vacate the space he was going to push through. that said other backs fail to see and get swallowed up in that chaos, but with an ultra aggressive defense the offense can dictate the gap they will always attack. Its easiest to visualize on this 1 gap 4-0-4 Okie 

(Weak Side)                     (Strong Side)
          |                                 |
          |           [Exposed]             |
   OT     |     OG       GAP       C        |     OG          OT          TE
   O      |     O         |        O        |     O           O           O
          |               |      /   \      |   /           /           /
          |               |    /      \     | /           /           /
        (DE)              |   V        \    V           V           V
       4-Tech             |            (NT)          (DE)        (OLB)
                          |           0-Tech        4-Tech       9-Tech
                          |          (Slants       (Slants      (Sets
                          |          Strong A)     Strong B)     Edge)
                          |
                          |
                        (Will)                                    (Mike)
                     Responsible                                Responsible
                     for Weak A                                 for Strong C
                       (Plug)                                   (Scrape)

The best NFL defenses are now 1.5 gap you simply can't be that irresponsible anymore.

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9 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

We were going to win that MNC game by 14+ if Colt hadn't gone down.  

We'da won with a backup QB, if Mack had bothered to have one... 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

sounds like he's keeping the OC job for himself

He’s never gonna give it up. The sooner everyone just gets over it, the less miserable you would (theoretically) be 

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Well light your cigarettes boys haha. HC making $11 mill a year needs a DC he doesn’t have to be the boss of in order to be successful. Now he can commit to just coaching one side of the ball like…checks notes…an OC would do. Holy. Fucking. Shit. 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

We'da won with a backup QB, if Mack had bothered to have one... 

We had one.  Mack simply pushed GG to the front of the line for optics.

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22 minutes ago, linux said:

I would say OU is more chaotic than completely irresponsible, that is why a patient back like Wisner could gash them over and over again, all he had to do was observe and wait for a stunting lineman to vacate the space he was going to push through. that said other backs fail to see and get swallowed up in that chaos, but with an ultra aggressive defense the offense can dictate the gap they will always attack. Its easiest to visualize on this 1 gap 4-0-4 Okie 

(Weak Side)                     (Strong Side)
          |                                 |
          |           [Exposed]             |
   OT     |     OG       GAP       C        |     OG          OT          TE
   O      |     O         |        O        |     O           O           O
          |               |      /   \      |   /           /           /
          |               |    /      \     | /           /           /
        (DE)              |   V        \    V           V           V
       4-Tech             |            (NT)          (DE)        (OLB)
                          |           0-Tech        4-Tech       9-Tech
                          |          (Slants       (Slants      (Sets
                          |          Strong A)     Strong B)     Edge)
                          |
                          |
                        (Will)                                    (Mike)
                     Responsible                                Responsible
                     for Weak A                                 for Strong C
                       (Plug)                                   (Scrape)

The best NFL defenses are now 1.5 gap you simply can't be that irresponsible anymore.

Muschamp's defense aren't "completely irresponsible" either, so I'm not sure your point. 

Posted
19 hours ago, gmr548 said:

The rational move would be to make a change with position coaches in the back end and not fire an established, top tier DC. Regardless, I very much doubt Sark went into the offseason looking to replace PK. The idea that he was on the hot seat or a firing was justifiable based on performance alone is silly. Seems pretty clear Sark's hand was forced. Sometimes things that are less than ideal happen. Again, don't need to rationalize it into a slam dunk. I think he's made as good a move as he can in the circumstances and we'll see how it goes, but it won't be without challenges.

Stupid penalties? You serious? No amount of stupid penalties seems to satisfy Sark on offense. It's been a constant pursuit to accumulate as many as possible on that side of the ball since he's been here. If he's tired of them, the low hanging fruit is replacing the OC.

It’s not that complicated.  Muschamp is considered one of the best DCs, if not the best.  He’s also an elite recruiter and player will run through a wall for him.  While PK is good, Muschamp gives you a chance to be great.  I think this year was a wake up call for Sark.  Keeping PK would have been the easy move.  This move to Muschamp tells me Sark wants to win a championship.

 

Also, I consider PK to be one of the best DCs to come through Texas.  With that said, his secondary was some of the worst in Texas history as well.  You cannot just be a DC that calls run defense and not know how to tie on the back end or elect not to put any effort in recruiting.   That’s not going to cut it when we are trying to pass UGA and Ohio State.  I’m super thankful for PK but I’m also ecstatic we have Muschamp.  Now if we could get rid of Orphey and  Chris Jackson.  Flood doesn’t deserve his job but I’m not banking on that one considering Sark has been tied to him since his days at Atlanta.

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I look at it like this:

1.  Sark active this offseason, better than reading he's not showing up for Junior day/etc.

2.  Sark himself feels like he was doing things on the defensive side of the ball.  Whatever that may be he feels he won't have to do that anymore so net positive I guess.

3.  I'm hoping with Boom having the experience he has that Sark would trust him when he talks to him about game management things that he is fucking up.

4.  I feel like Boom let's Simmons murder the QB every play instead of dropping back and playing zone.  I prefer that approach.

5.  Outside of our talent being world class in pass defense (Barron, Taafe, Makumba, and MM) last year, we were relatively ordinary against the pass this year and years prior than 2024.

6.  Net positive - Sark is eating everything for next season.  Defensive improvement or we suck, Offensive improvement or we suck again.  

 

 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Muschamp's defense aren't "completely irresponsible" either, so I'm not sure your point. 

From what I remember it was really bad sometimes, see this timestamped play

 

 

The A gaps were completely ignored because both DL recklessly took the B gap. It happened way too many times the middle was WIDE open in this case with an unblocked center.  Once you start to predict consistent aggression that the game is solved by the offense. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, linux said:

From what I remember it was really bad sometimes, see this timestamped play

 

 

The A gaps were completely ignored because both DL recklessly took the B gap. It happened way too many times the middle was WIDE open in this case with an unblocked center.  Once you start to predict consistent aggression that the game is solved by the offense. 

I agree that the defense had 1 bad game in that entire season. I've seen absolutely zero indication that this is a schematic flaw with Muschamp's defenses as opposed to a single bad game.  Why are you basing everything on this single game? If this is your standard, you must think PK was an absolutely terrible d coordinator. 

Posted
6 hours ago, JBJ said:

The greatest defenses of all time are decidedly both simple and passive.  They are well-coached and lean on being elite at a few things.  Think Legion of Boom. 

Agreed. Or Ravens 2000. Badass players that know exactly what to do. Strong line play opening up the back 7 to cover more space. Not rocket surgery.

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3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I agree that the defense had 1 bad game in that entire season. I've seen absolutely zero indication that this is a schematic flaw with Muschamp's defenses as opposed to a single bad game.  Why are you basing everything on this single game? If this is your standard, you must think PK was an absolutely terrible d coordinator. 

Technically there were two games, but I don't want to rewatch it. (yes I know about the gassed argument)

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6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I agree that the defense had 1 bad game in that entire season. I've seen absolutely zero indication that this is a schematic flaw with Muschamp's defenses as opposed to a single bad game.  Why are you basing everything on this single game? If this is your standard, you must think PK was an absolutely terrible d coordinator. 

I feel like I'm the one who started it, but this discussion has gone weird places.  Muschamp isn't Wink or Venables, either. 

PK's defense was basic in the sense that he brought a handful of tools to the season and made sure the players could execute them at an elite level so that it didn't matter if the offense knew what we were doing 80% of the time.   This doesn't mean Muschamp is buck wild.  He puts more tools in his toolkit.  I feel like they are both on the "players make the plays" end of the spectrum, though.

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44 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

Listening to Orangebloods and the On Texas Football podcasts since this news broke yesterday

Orangebloods is not on board with the hire and fire

On Texas Football is fully on board  

 

 

OTF is fully on board with everything (that they are willing to discuss anyway). OB is obviously full of imbeciles and should be ignored regardless of the topic or their stance.

Posted
1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

We were going to win that MNC game by 14+ if Colt hadn't gone down.  We were down by 3 with the ball and a chance to go win it anyway in spite of 4 picks by a helpless backup QB.  With Colt, we roll their ass.

And I think we would have been a coin flip to beat Florida after the '08 season if we hadn't been ass rammed by a conference that for some reason hated one of its two bell cows.  All Florida did in that title game was beat ou by 10, same as we did.  It would have been a hell of a game.

But I'm over it.  God dammit.

I think the '08 team was the best in the Mack era, but.......

 

 

 

 

Blake Gideon

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On 12/18/2025 at 2:42 PM, BigOrange1 said:

what in the motherfuck??

don't hate having muschamp back, but PK most certainly did not deserve to be fired.

panic hire move.

 

the new dc will be expected to help the offense score in the red zone.

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Should be remembered his UGA defenses were stacked with pre NIL talent, meaning they were one of the handful of teams actively cheating 4 years leading up to those rosters. 

He will be in a much more parity driven environment now

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11 minutes ago, CycleTex87 said:

I think the '08 team was the best in the Mack era

Funnily enough, I think the 08 and 09 differences are similar to the 23 and 24 differences. 08 and 23 had really good offenses (08 much better), with pretty good but flawed defenses (particularly in the secondary). The 09 and 24 defenses were fucking elite, and the offenses were pretty good but very flawed. 

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