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Territorial issues will be "key elements" in resolving the war.

Everything else is just noise.  Russia will demand that Ukraine give up its territory.  Ukraine will say no, our admin will say Ukraine is being unreasonable, and it all goes right back in the shitter again.

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8 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

They wouldn't and shouldn't. It would positively cripple Ukrainian war efforts. You want Ukraine to fight a ground war with Russia with winter around the bend? To forgo every advantage they have currently? You think that's a sound strategy? History out "front" should have told ya. 

It is pure shit drivel from Putin trying to show any sort of willingness to "negotiate" with Trump in order to delay/reduce/stop any further/additional sanctions/support/tarrifs. 

 

 

Well, I said airplanes and there is no way that Ukraine has air superiority unless you include drones. 

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we discussed this somewhere up thread, but so long as india is involved then failing russia doesn't just become a chinese mining colony. so it's a bit of a dilemma trying to pry russia and india further apart.

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Not loving what I'm reading about trump capitulating to putin

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-us-peace-deal-ukraine-vladimir-putin-trump-2110865

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The United States and Russia are aiming to secure a peace deal that would lock in Russia's gains in Ukraine following its invasion three and a half years ago, according to a report by Bloomberg.

The deal would mean Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky giving up the entire eastern Donbas, Crimea and parts of Luhansk and Donetsk, where fighting is still raging, unnamed sources told Bloomberg.

Newsweek reached out to the U.S. State Department, as well as the Russian and Ukrainian foreign affairs ministries for comment via email on Friday.

Why It Matters

If confirmed, such a deal would represent a huge win for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who launched the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 with the stated goal of "liberating" the Donbas, despite concerns and condemnation from global leaders who viewed the war as unprovoked and unjustified.

The conflict has continued for years as Russia has struggled to make more substantial gains in Ukraine after its initial progress. However, peace deals have also stalled as Russian and Ukrainian leaders have not reached a consensus on key sticking points, such as whether Russia should keep its seized Ukrainian territory.

What To Know

Ukraine has not agreed to the proposed deal, Bloomberg reported. Putin and President Donald Trump are expected to meet for talks next week.

The U.S. is working to build support from Ukraine and allies in Europe, according to the report, which noted that is "far from certain."

Under the proposal, Ukraine would have to remove troops from the eastern Ukrainian regions of Luhansk and Donetsk, while Russia would end offensive operations in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, Bloomberg reported. The report also noted that it is unclear whether Moscow would give up any land it currently occupies.

What Happens Next?

Full details of the reported proposal have not been released ahead of an upcoming meeting between Trump and Putin. Trump said this week that Putin does not have to meet with Zelensky as a condition to their sit-down.

 

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8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Not loving what I'm reading about trump capitulating to putin

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-us-peace-deal-ukraine-vladimir-putin-trump-2110865

 

A story ripped from the pages of "DUH! A Journal of the Obvious."  This has been the play all along.  And it plays out with Ukraine saying "f that," the US saying "fine, fuck you, we're cutting off all aid," and many more Ukrainians dying in a war that will continue to rage with support from the rest of Europe, but not end without the "get it past the finish line" support that only the US can provide.

It's a recipe for failure, prolonged war, and more bloodshed.  And that recipe was fully baked months ago.

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