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2 minutes ago, F250 said:

China wins in that realm. I consulted on Critical infrastructure (primarily grid) cybersecurity for a few years and it was common to find the Chinese burrowed in "air gapped" systems.

Due to the nature of an authoritarian country China can issue Top Down security controls to counter cyber attacks. The U.S. is driven by profit so cybersecurity is seen as an expense so often the bare minimum is done for budget reasons by companies. Shit, often companies will take compliance hits because it's cheaper than investing in security.

 

I had this discussion with a friend the other night.  Divisions that operate at a loss gets whacked all the time.  The IT and cyber security department is led by a nerd who can't get his words out so when he's trying to justify his budget it comes off as arrogant and standoffish so he gets the bare minimum and the boss always has the mindset it won't happen to us.  And when it does they blame the IT department.

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3 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Jesus Christ THIS IS FAKE 

One of the keys is, I don't think there are tracer rounds in a CIWS.   Each round is too critical to be wasting em on tracers.  4500 r/m.

That said, that particular segment is more realistic looking than the other two that have been posted.

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15 minutes ago, troph said:

need to know more about the march on Kyiv dammit.  that's the lynch pin they need to hold it a few more days at least!

Doesn't seem to be progressing all that fast. Kyiv should have been in artillery range, and they should have been intent on reducing it to rubble.

On a side note, been reading some private FB groups I'm in, some other social media stuff, and this is being talked about - There are videos of captured Russian soldiers and they are obviously stunned (most are young), and some of them have said they weren't there to kill anybody, and that they thought they'd be welcomed.

Some of the former armor guys are saying that they see videos of Russian tanks/BTRs/vehicles with troops standing around and not acting like they are in danger.  They've also noted that more than a few of the destroyed Russian tanks/BTRs were not deployed into a defensive position, and their turrets were still pointed forward as if they were just driving down a road.

Anyways, they are thinking that a lot of the Russian troops were (surprise!) told that they'd be welcomed and not in much danger, and that is kind of jiving with some of the interviews with captured soldiers.

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As the skies above Kyiv were lit up by a huge explosion and at least one rocket crashed into a civilian building, Ukrainian officials braced for attacks.  “Horrific Russian rocket strikes on Kyiv,” the foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, wrote on Twitter. The last time the capital “experienced anything like this,” he wrote, was in 1941 “when it was attacked by Nazi Germany. Ukraine defeated that evil and will defeat this one. Stop Putin

 

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10 minutes ago, F250 said:

China wins in that realm. I consulted on Critical infrastructure (primarily grid) cybersecurity for a few years and it was common to find the Chinese burrowed in "air gapped" systems.

Due to the nature of an authoritarian country China can issue Top Down security controls to counter cyber attacks. The U.S. is driven by profit so cybersecurity is seen as an expense so often the bare minimum is done for budget reasons by companies. Shit, often companies will take compliance hits because it's cheaper than investing in security.

 

Yeah defensively for sure. I just always wonder what the US is capable of from an offensive standpoint that the public doesn't know about. Looooot of black budget shit out there that's been out there for years. 

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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Doesn't seem to be progressing all that fast. Kyiv should have been in artillery range, and they should have been intent on reducing it to rubble.

On a side note, been reading some private FB groups I'm in, some other social media stuff, and this is being talked about - There are videos of captured Russian soldiers and they are obviously stunned (most are young), and some of them have said they weren't there to kill anybody, and that they thought they'd be welcomed.

Some of the former armor guys are saying that they see videos of Russian tanks/BTRs/vehicles with troops standing around and not acting like they are in danger.  They've also noted that more than a few of the destroyed Russian tanks/BTRs were not deployed into a defensive position, and their turrets were still pointed forward as if they were just driving down a road.

Anyways, they are thinking that a lot of the Russian troops were (surprise!) told that they'd be welcomed and not in much danger, and that is kind of jiving with some of the interviews with captured soldiers.

Crazy, more reason to think/hope for an upset but then down 10 in the 4th I still think the dog can pull the upset. Trying not to get hopeful here. Just want mass Russian losses even if they win.

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2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yeah defensively for sure. I just always wonder what the US is capable of from an offensive standpoint that the public doesn't know about. Looooot of black budget shit out there that's been out there for years. 

There is no formal term for it.  But it's basically cyber MAD.  We both know we can.  But let's not.  Biden sort of mentioned it a few months ago.  Yeah.  There are so many zero day hacks out there and how long have we been in this pandemic now?  2 years right?  So how much more exposure have our systems have now that a ton of people are remote work. 

 

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Just now, ztejas said:

Yeah defensively for sure. I just always wonder what the US is capable of from an offensive standpoint that the public doesn't know about. Looooot of black budget shit out there that's been out there for years. 

The U.S. definitely has powerful capabilities but it still doesn't matter if your opponent is locked down and you are not. Think Kingsbury Texas Tech Air Raid with no defense.

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If it the RTS Index falls under 500, it wouldn’t be a shock if one of the oligarchs plucks an ambitious general and throws him a $50M bone. Or whatever amount to motivate him, along with some of the cut.

And yes, I am aware of the monetary nest egg/war chest that exists.

There is a tipping point where the economics take over and the oligarchs make a move in their best interest. Will they get there? Not sure, but it’s possible. I don’t see them going down with Putin “on principle.”
Sometimes you gotta cut a unstable drama queen off. Amirite? 

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Air raid sirens in Kyiv on the livestream.  Edit: And they are done.

Also, people doing the flight radar stuff are noticing what seems to be 3-4 USAF tankers with their transponders on doing circuits along NATO borders, but no other aircraft with transponders on are near them, so refueling who knows what.

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Just now, Skipper said:

We'll see if CNN can resist the urge to transition to an Applebee's commercial again.

It's interesting, the Russian forces seem to be keeping daytime hours.  Goes back to comments about a lack of night-vision gear, which gets into budget/preparation issues.

I say that and there could be actual fighting holding them up down the road from Kyiv.

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1 minute ago, pops said:

All this shit makes me realize how easy we've had it in this country for a long fucking time. Yeah...I hid under my desk in the 80s but shit.... I've always been comfortable. I stand with those badasses in Ukraine that actually have to do shit. 

Yeah, the video of the dad telling his kids goodbye as they got on the bus that has been posted multiple times was something.  As a father of young kids I can't imagine.  This certainly makes all of our problems seem pretty petty.

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11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Also, people doing the flight radar stuff are noticing what seems to be 3-4 USAF tankers with their transponders on doing circuits along NATO borders, but no other aircraft with transponders on are near them, so refueling who knows what.

Is there any way we would be refilling Ukraine fighters that cross into NATO territory?  Or would that be considered crossing a line?

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22 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Air raid sirens in Kyiv on the livestream.  Edit: And they are done.

Also, people doing the flight radar stuff are noticing what seems to be 3-4 USAF tankers with their transponders on doing circuits along NATO borders, but no other aircraft with transponders on are near them, so refueling who knows what.

I'm sure there are NATO fighters on patrol, which would need refueling.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Given everything that we know about Putin, I have no doubt that if Americans/NATO rolled into Ukraine and started rolling up Russian forces, that Putin would use nukes on the battlefield.

He's fucking nuts and Americans/NATO kicking Russian ass on the battlefield would probably cause a seismic shift in Moscow.  Either the Russians would unite behind Putin and we get nukes (because Putin will tell his people that NATO won't stop at the Ukrainian border) or Putin faces the music and, well, gonna be nukes flying as he decides to take down everybody around him, as well as those he holds responsible (NATO/America).

It's one of those things where we will never find out but I don't believe he would use nukes. There's a reason that 80 years of nukes, shitty leadership, horrible dictators, and India/Pakistan hasn't led to a single nuke use. No matter how ruthless and power hungry a leader is he knows he can't lead and be in power if he's dead. Nukes is mutually assured destruction and even the most evil won't sacrifice themselves unless they know for sure they're being invaded and will lose or they get nukes launched on them first. 

Putin knows this. He also knows we cower to his threats of using them so he threatens often as a strategy to keep us at bay. 

But his aggression should have been quelled early on and not let it get this far where he knows he cN get away with it. Although it seems he may have bit off more than he can chew on this one and he may have to worry about his own taking him out before long 

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8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

My theory is that they aren't tankers at all.

Can't tell if you're being serious, but you can get their exact registrations...they're the same planes that provide refueling in the US and abroad.  There are plenty of other military planes that are up and aren't broadcasting.

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19 minutes ago, pops said:

All this shit makes me realize how easy we've had it in this country for a long fucking time. Yeah...I hid under my desk in the 80s but shit.... I've always been comfortable. I stand with those badasses in Ukraine that actually have to do shit. 

This. I have employees in India, Chile and Romania and it seems I am having to check in on someone due to shit going down in their country once a year.

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Are all military aircraft really accurately traceable on public websites?

And I think Putin would use a tactical nuke if NATO troops engage.   He would be banking on us deciding not to retaliate with nukes and risk escalating further as long as he didn’t hit civilian targets.   They run these exercises that always end with a tactical nuke for a reason.  He knows he loses a shooting war with NATO, and that’s his last ditch strategy for trying to win / end it and save his own skin without having Moscow turned to glass. 

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14 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Can't tell if you're being serious, but you can get their exact registrations...they're the same planes that provide refueling in the US and abroad.  There are plenty of other military planes that are up and aren't broadcasting.

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Well, the 135 has had a role in the past as an ELINT aircraft.

Might come in handy to fill a couple of "KC-135"s with the latest ELINT equipment and fly em around a war zone while telling everyone they're tankers.

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41 minutes ago, pops said:

All this shit makes me realize how easy we've had it in this country for a long fucking time. Yeah...I hid under my desk in the 80s but shit.... I've always been comfortable. I stand with those badasses in Ukraine that actually have to do shit. 

Don't worry we're doing our best to destroy ourselves from within. Just takes time and patience

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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, the 135 has had a role in the past as an ELINT aircraft.

Might come in handy to fill a couple of "KC-135"s with the latest ELINT equipment and fly em around a war zone while telling everyone they're tankers.

The AWACS has this big ole satellite dish on top of it.  If he was trying to hide he have to say "I'm a storm chaser". But nah.  Those are fuel tankers. AWACS will just jam your signal or turn off the transponder

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11 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/klitschko-brothers-former-heavyweight-boxing-champions-to-take-up-arms-for-ukraine
 

That’s pretty crazy and respectable, both millionaires and could just leave and have a comfy life anywhere but staying and fighting.  

He was on the short list to be the next president of Ukraine.  If they make it out of this in one piece he will be the president one day

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, the 135 has had a role in the past as an ELINT aircraft.

Might come in handy to fill a couple of "KC-135"s with the latest ELINT equipment and fly em around a war zone while telling everyone they're tankers.

There’s probably a stealthy multi-role fighter we have that’s been described as being one big sensor being used in that role right now. Maybe one that was just deployed to Lakenheath. 

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Stupid question here, but it seems Putin is trying to do this with a limited force. What’s his next move if Ukraine makes this extra bloody and/or embarrassing to him? Seems like Ukraine is holding up well and it worries me how Putin could react to save face. 

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