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https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142

"Wagner troops have crossed Russia's border with Ukraine in multiple locations, the mercenary group's leader has now claimed.

In new audio recordings published on Telegram, Yevgeny Prigozhin says his mercenaries were "embraced" by border guards as they passed through.

He also claimed Russian conscripts ordered to stop them moved aside to allow his troops to pass, adding they are "now entering Rostov" - a city in south-western Russia near the Ukrainian border.

"But if anyone stands in our way, we will destroy everything that's in our way... We are moving forward, we'll go all the way," Prigozhin added.

The BBC is not able to verify the claims and no images or videos of Wagner forces in Russia have yet emerged."

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3 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

I guess I see three possibilities for this right now:

1) It’s legit, and Prigelpotomus has decided that they’re all either going to die on the defense from Russian shelling or they can go out making a stand against Russian MOD,

2) It’s staged so that Russia can pull out of Ukraine, blaming it on civil unrest rather than defeat, or 

3) It’s staged so that Russia can sabotage the ZPP and claim it was Wagner rather than state sponsored. 

I gotta admit, the level of layers necessary and the sheer amount of people who would have to keep their mouth shut for this to succeed as a staged event makes it unbelievable for me. 

As in, literally, I don’t believe it. 

I find it way more likely this is the inevitable result of poor communication (as in practically zero) among all interested parties. Everyone outside the inner circle literally communicates with Putin by uploading videos to the internet. Putin makes sure he deincentivizes anyone bring him bad news, insists he’s better informed than they are, with the implicit threat of being tortured and killed if they don’t see reality correctly. 

The MOD has no interest in communicating directly with Prighozin. Prighozin uses humiliation and condescension to try to get his way with Shiogu and the MOD. A lot of the actions by all parties have been performed in a vacuum of specific and instructions. The very fact Putin has done nothing has been interpreted by all sides in varying ways. 

I mean, how many times have you guys seen confrontations taken to absurd levels by the mere fact the different sides don’t even communicate with each other any more - or certainly not effectively - and so everyone assumes the worst intent and behavior of the other side, and repercussions are escalated as preemptive strikes? I find it to be common place. Way more common place than tens of thousands of people pretending like a conflict exists when it really doesn’t, up to and including killing folks on either side of it. 

I’ll have to give a big tip of the hat to Ivan if that’s what they’ve managed to pull off, but I don’t think there’s any real chance of it. 

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4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

So what if the Chechens back Wagner? Goat fucker supplies rank and file, and consolidates his control in the Caucus in the face of a weakened Putin/Russia. 

Hey Chechens, join us or we will fuck you up. And let's remember, Wagner now has its people in Russian aircraft. 

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Whether the coup is successful or not is almost irrelevant. Putin and his propaganda arm can no longer say “everything is going according to plan”. This is a massive fuckup and embarrassment for the ruling class in Russia. And a lot of resources are going to be redirected from Ukraine to the interior of Russia in response.

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11 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

Pretty much my bet. This is a desperate attempt, but I think he can do some damage on the way out.

Then there are the oligarchs and other generals. They may see this as a time for a career move. Plus, the combat rank and file does not sound happy. Yeltsin took over more with less. One Makarov round ends this one way or the other. 

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13 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I don't agree even a little bit with the facile comparison to Iraq and Afghanistan. Just an easy tweet to make that won't be challenged. 

The US won both conflicts with ease. They didn't administer either occupation with any element of competence. The two are not the same. They require different mindsets, and different skillsets. Not going into Iraq would not have made the US any more competent in Afghanistan. Going into Iraq did not make the US any more incompetent. 

The problem wasn't opening up two fronts. It was lacking the political will and acumen to set up a competent military occupation in either place. And actually, in terms of occupations, Afghanistan doesn't really matter. There's no real geopolitical importance to it from a US perspective. It's not rich in natural resources. It's not going to develop a booming economy. 

Obviously the US should not have gone into Iraq, and part of it was the lack of a post war strategy. But more so it was about going in under fraudulent auspices. But from a military perspective there was no issue with opening up a second front for the US military the way Hertling is hinting at, and I resent its false implication. 

Doesn't change my very high opinion of Hertling, but I do not like this specific tweet. 

 

Let's not get distracted from Russia's ruin.

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Man this thread turned wild. I really think Pirogue is going to be rolling into Moscow by next weekend. Any troops worth a shit for the MOD are deployed in Ukraine. Wagner troops are fighting for their lives at this point and going up against the equivalent of the Mississippi national guard and a bunch of county Deputy Dawgs. It will be like a hot knife through butter. Pirogue will be head of the Russian armed forces or will be occupying Moscow w Puta ruling in absentia from a bunker underneath Gelendzhik

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6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Man this thread turned wild. I really think Pirogue is going to be rolling into Moscow by next weekend. Any troops worth a shit for the MOD are deployed in Ukraine. Wagner troops are fighting for their lives at this point and going up against the equivalent of the Mississippi national guard and a bunch of county Deputy Dawgs. It will be like a hot knife through butter. Pirogue will be head of the Russian armed forces or will be occupying Moscow w Puta ruling in absentia from a bunker underneath Gelendzhik

Agree they are going to try. And Russia gave them a lot of tools.

"Fuck it Ivan, let's go fuck up Moscow. I hear they have VW's there vs. the crappy Lada we were promised."

"Sure Sergei, we are fucked either way. Plus I have never seen the Kremlin since I am from a shit hole in the Far East."  

 

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1 minute ago, bolverk said:

So what about those other two Russian groups that were attacking up around Bilhorod? Freedom of Russia and the Russian neo-Nazis.

Anyone care to speculate if they'll jump into this fight to fuck shit up more?

Going back, they made outreach attempts to Pretzel. Called him a man of dignity, etc. They would be good allies for Wagner right about now. 

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5 hours ago, The Dog said:

Holy shit if true:

"The leftovers of Wagners on the outskirts of Bakhmut opened fire on the regular roads of the Russian Federation. Our assault brigades see everything, systematic strikes are now being carried out on the positions of the Russians. You would hear the radio broadcast of these *** now. The impression is that part of the Russian regular troops are killing their own, and it seems that part of the military is supporting Prigozhin. While it is not clear what is finally happening, it is a bloodbath"

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