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3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Oklahoma is allowing alcohol deliveries to your door, starting tomorrow.

 

My Ozarka delivery will have as much alcohol as those deliveries will. 

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1 hour ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

You're at a health system?  That is reckless.  Most systems have divided support/admin into 3 teams for every role and sent two of the teams to WFH while 'attending' all meetings online,  and to be the on call backups for if the onsite admin/support for that role becomes ill.

State run. Leadership DGAF 

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1 hour ago, stone oak said:

Nurse chick I am dating works at main Methodist here in SA. She’s saying the hospital census is incredibly low there (obviously, no elective surgeries) and they are calling off some non-full time nurses temporarily. She said the ICUs are <20% capacity.

Take that whatever way you want, just playing Simone again.

Nice humble brag, but we need pics if we are to believe that you are dating a chick.

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1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

12 coronavirus deaths in Texas thus far.  There are 9+ traffic deaths in Texas everyday.  That is considered an acceptable risk.  No highways closed down that I know of.  The coronavirus death toll is a rounding error.  We don't do risk management very well these days.

When car accidents become highly contagious, this might make some sense. 

This is the stupidest fucking argument I’ve seen here. 

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11 minutes ago, Modessit said:
5 hours ago, Seger78 said:
I wonder if it's possible that they're ending up in the ER because the partying and drinking weakened their immune systems.

More like vaping THC pods.

Tide pods?

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Texas just had its 1000th positive case. Almost a fifth of those, 192 as of last refresh, were diagnosed today.
 
56 in Harris county today

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Yep on the testing. I’m at the point in time where I would say it’s more important to test everyone in NYC healthy or not- to get a baseline on how many have it, spread, seriousness, accurate hospitalization and death etc. Like door to door free tests for everyone whether they want it or not. 
I’m the furthest thing from an authoritarian as possible but we need to have huge cross sections of everyone tested to figure this shit out so we can do a rational cost benefit analysis after 2 weeks are up and before deciding what to do during the next wave. 


Who is going to process those? It takes days to get a test back. Further, the antibody test is really the one that is needed. Something that can tell you quickly and can be done from home. Guarantee the number of cases in NYC is magnitudes times actual, and they have been around since Jan. NYC has a worse than normal flu season. This is most likely why.

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1 minute ago, Hornster said:

Oxford University suggests that if Covid-19 is as infectious as stated, then far more people in UK have possibly been infected than previously thought, maybe 50% of population, and many showed little to no symptoms:

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-may-have-already-infected-half-of-uk-study-says/

Doesn't help the surge but might mean we are closer to herd immunity than we think.

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33 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Further, the antibody test is really the one that is needed. Something that can tell you quickly and can be done from home. Guarantee the number of cases in NYC is magnitudes times actual, and they have been around since Jan. NYC has a worse than normal flu season. This is most likely why.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Texas wasn't doing a "hug a chinaman" event like New York was doing at the lunar new year last month.  Texas is not progressing at the same rate.

We were? Never saw anything for that. Got a link? I could have missed it. Or are you wrong and thinking about italy? 

also to borrow your expert analysis from before, it could be that Texas is not “officially” progressing at the same rate bc you aren’t testing at the same rate ny is. If texas never ramps up there testing then poof, they’ll never progress at the same rate. 

Unless you got a credible link for why you think Texas won’t progress the same way ny is (aside from refusing to test people), every other model shows it will. But I’ll read a real link if you got one. 

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54 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Thanks.  Obviously, I am talking about comparative risks of everyday life just to make a point of how overblown this reaction seems to be.  Of course a simple comparison of these 12 actual deaths to the expected annual deaths from the normal annual flu virus would blow all that comparative analysis away. 

Why are you comparing expected to actual, instead of expected to expected?

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15 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Texas wasn't doing a "hug a chinaman" event like New York was doing at the lunar new year last month.  Texas is not progressing at the same rate.

Ok I think we can ban this turd now that he's just making shit up

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Just now, achooloco said:

We were? Never saw anything for that. Got a link? I could have missed it. Or are you wrong and thinking about italy? 

also to borrow your expert analysis from before, it could be that Texas is not “officially” progressing at the same rate bc you aren’t testing at the same rate ny is. If texas never ramps up there testing then poof, they’ll never progress at the same rate. 

Unless you got a credible link for why you think Texas won’t progress the same way ny is (aside from refusing to test people), every other model shows it will. But I’ll read a real link if you got one. 

I'm not going to argue about disease progression but it is pretty difficult to compare NY to TX. NYC where all the cases are is 302.6 mi² while Texas is 268,597 mi².

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I’m calling horseshit on that “Stanford Medicine” cleaning of PPE story. First, it said they used E. Coli as a test surrogate for CV....E Coli is a fucking bacteria!

We know/believe that soap is more lethal to the active virus than alcohol or bleach. Unknown lethality to heat, UV, or ethylene oxide. Cooking the shit out of the masks may damage filter material that decreases its effectiveness at blocking vita particles on the next wear. I already suggested to the UT-Dell crowd source board that they look into steam autoclave (because every hospital has them) and check the mask filter porosity after repeated cycles; or maybe as simple as >100C (but not too hot) soapy water to get more effective surfactant activity. The UV won’t penetrate beyond the outermost facing surface of the porous mesh so that’s probably out. Ethylene oxide may not be readily available in hospitals, works on most viruses but is untested with CV, and has very low risk of toxicity to skin if residuals accumulate. 

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@DalTxHornFan

I created a thread just for you here

 

 

Please go there to debate this topic and don't post in this thread any more

And everyone else, when someone comes in here with this kind of shit please report and DON"T FUCKING ENGAGE WITH THEM

Please go to the thread above to debate with them

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11 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Huh. Seems like we should have had these a while back. 

That Ho article is good, and accessible.  He also offered a word of caution about rushing vaccines:

"And, of course, people are working on vaccines. A lot of companies are working on vaccines and those vaccines are at various stages. A couple are within weeks of entering human testing and that's quite, quite remarkable. There is one thing about vaccines, though: Some of the experiments previously done on SARS suggested that when animals developed antibodies and then were given the virus, they had greater lung injury due to the presence of the antibodies. The scientific community would have to resolve that issue quickly and its resolution would either halt the current approaches or unleash them to move full speed ahead.  [cont.]"

^^^ it's a contributing reason, but he lays out multiple variables that contribute an unlikely solution in the next several months.  At home antibody tests  could radically shift our understanding of the pandemic, where we stand as a population, and have that inform our path.  We have to have that data asap.  I'm still holding out hope with effective med cocktails, but increasingly think it will hinge on application happening as early in the infection as possible.  Of course that depends on mass access to testing and rapid turnaround.  Ho did have some positive observations about how fast mobilization is happening, but we're about to take some heavy near term lumps.

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1 hour ago, Rip76 said:

Jackson Browne was diagnosed.  

siap

Kenny Rogers, dead last week (not cv as far as I know).   Jackson Browne infected.   

Is there a Don Henley curse rearing its head?   Motherfucker better stay away from Linda Ronstadt.

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Kenny Rogers, dead last week (not cv as far as I know).   Jackson Browne infected.   

Is there a Don Henley curse rearing its head?   Motherfucker better stay away from Linda Ronstadt.

She’s probably somebody’s baby alright

Edited by Pato del Muerto
Killin it with the old school music references today

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Isolate vulnerable people and move on. 


I’m gradually shifting towards this line of thinking.

Social distancing and stay-at-home are great in theory but terrible in practice because a large portion of the population isn’t playing along. Let’s see....

DFW shuts down but lots of surrounding rural counties refuse to issue similar orders because “they don’t have cases” (their cases haven’t been tested or diagnosed). So in 2-3 weeks they get overwhelmed with cases and their hospitals are full and they want to transfer to DFW hospitals which are already full, despite DFW citizens quarantining for weeks prior. Then what? Fuck those other counties that selfishly think they aren’t affected currently. Get on board now.

Not only that, counties issue SIP or stay-at-home orders but 80% of businesses find loopholes to deem themselves essential because greed. Car dealerships? Oil and gas? Residential construction? Give me a break. It should be healthcare, police, fire, utilities. I don’t care if a car doesn’t get sold or a house isn’t built on time. Those people will survive for a while without it.

And certain everyday citizens apparently don’t think these orders apply to them. We walked our dogs today and see people around the neighborhood standing in front yards socializing. People seem to think it’s okay for their kids to play with other kids because their friends don’t look sick or what? They are still oblivious to the asymptomatic yet contagious incubation period? They think it’s okay in small groups because apparently COVID-19 only spreads amongst big groups? WTF people.

There’s just too much selfishness in American society for this to work. Too many people seem to find ways to justify their own exemption. These half measures punish the cities, businesses, or individuals that are complying without any ramifications for those who don’t. Then we all pay the price together.

If we’re gonna quarantine let’s all do it together. If we can’t do that then maybe we just tell high risk people to stay at home and everyone else do their normal thing. I realize many high risk people will still be exposed but I also think that’s on the individual at a certain point just like every other health decision that we leave up to the individual.

Not trying to be callous and I definitely don’t know the right path here, just frustrated at the lack of coordination and agreement at all levels on this. There is a significant cost associated with stay-at-home orders and that cost is being paid unequally at the moment. Even if it is paid equally, the eventual damage to the economy, unemployment, poverty, homelessness, physical health, and mental health of our society may very well outweigh whatever lives are saved by ongoing quarantine measures.

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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Kenny Rogers, dead last week (not cv as far as I know).   Jackson Browne infected.   

Is there a Don Henley curse rearing its head?   Motherfucker better stay away from Linda Ronstadt.

wonder what the "human antidote" is up to these days

Spoiler

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7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Kenny Rogers, dead last week (not cv as far as I know).   Jackson Browne infected.   

Is there a Don Henley curse rearing its head?   Motherfucker better stay away from Linda Ronstadt.

there is some conspiracy theory surrounding celebrities and COVID-19.  probably not suitable for this thread.

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33 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

So we need a CR thread.  A nonCR thread.  And now a ‘I don’t believe in science thread’.  JFC

And an 'I don't believe in superstars, organic food, or foreign cars' thread.

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And this lamp.  And this ashtray.  And this paddlegame....

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3 minutes ago, Modessit said:
1 hour ago, Rip76 said:
Jackson Browne was diagnosed.  
 
siap

Well, that's a slap in the face.

from someone who would know. yes, yes, it is.

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2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

but we need to have huge cross sections of everyone tested to figure this shit out so we can do a rational cost benefit analysis after 2 weeks are up and before deciding what to do during the next wave. 

It’d be good to have a huge cross-section just to see if anything jumps out - certain practices people engage in, or professions that were either impacted, or potentially and unknowingly helped spread it (outside of healthcare obviously).   We had the attorney in NYC who was responsible for 50+ cases.  The Austrian ski resort that helped spread it around Europe.   Some areas, we have accurate heat maps of where they started seeing cases, and where those cases tended to bloom.

We have supercomputers looking at the medical/biological aspect of the virus, and surely they are plugging in all of this data  

The experts are saying we won’t have a vaccine by the fall, when it’s possible it will ramp up again, but we may have some treatments.  

What if we don’t have vaccines by then, but we have treatments, and we also know people in certain professions may catch it at a higher rate, and may help spread it as a result.   Or maybe there are certain practices at home or at work  that helped spread it.   We provide hand sanitizer to those folks and work on the hand washing thing   Maybe we can adjust those practices That were helping to spread it, in some way  to help cut down the spread.   

Combine that increased awareness with, or without, possible treatments, and all of the sudden we don’t have to issue stay-at-home orders, and we don’t have to shut down businesses, and while it could get rough at the hospital temporarily, but maybe not “we are rationing ICU beds” rough.

It’s going to be interesting to see the papers coming out of UT and other schools over this.   Kinda want to read the study that they did showing we will run out of hospital beds in 3-4 weeks if Austin doesn’t buckle down a little more.

I don’t know what you do about people like South Austin’s mom who was a super spreader, even before this virus.  

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Texas has a dashboard a lot like the Johns Hopkins dashboard, but not as informative (no data over time):

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

Using that data, right now 79 of 715 cases (11%) are in Travis Co.  But, Travis Co has about 4% of the state's population.

So, is Travis Co simply more disease-ridden than the rest of the state or simply testing more and finding more cases?  Honestly, I could go either way on that one...

 

Edited by Texas Jeff
I screwed up the math

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5 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

Texas has a dashboard a lot like the Johns Hopkins dashboard, but not as informative (no data over time):

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

Using that data, right now 79 of 715 cases (19%) are in Travis Co.  But, Travis Co has about 4% of the state's population.

So, is Travis Co simply more disease-ridden than the rest of the state or simply testing more and finding more cases?  Honestly, I could go either way on that one...

 

 

In Texas, only 5.4% of tests are positive, thats almost a national low

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4 minutes ago, Texas Jeff said:

Texas has a dashboard a lot like the Johns Hopkins dashboard, but not as informative (no data over time):

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

Using that data, right now 79 of 715 cases (19%) are in Travis Co.  But, Travis Co has about 4% of the state's population.

So, is Travis Co simply more disease-ridden than the rest of the state or simply testing more and finding more cases?  Honestly, I could go either way on that one...

 

 

My guess is some from column A and some from Column B. 

Population density in Austin is obviously higher than suburban or rural counties. I’m sure they are testing at best higher rates. And, Austin has a bunch of affluent travelers and is a destination city for travelers themselves with tourism, bar scene, UT, the government etc. I have to imagine it’s both factors playing a role. 

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