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Just now, elfenix said:

is it possible to cut johnson and get that cap room, maybe?

He'd account for over $16 million in dead cap if the Texans cut him this season saving only $2 million dollars.

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It's a shame that this ass clown is associated with the University of Texas. I laughed my ass off when Boyd threatened to beat his ass, I face palmed when he talked about Texas players being paid during the 2009 season to drum up attention to his social media and get his name out there.

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5 minutes ago, Chad said:

He'd account for over $16 million in dead cap if the Texans cut him this season saving only $2 million dollars.

my browns fan (so, he's seen a lot of this dumb shit in his life) cousin points out that johnson only has 1 year left on his deal and there's lots of receivers in this draft. 

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1 minute ago, Chad said:

It's a shame that this ass clown is associated with the University of Texas. I laughed my ass off when Boyd threatened to beat his ass, I face palmed when he talked about Texas players being paid during the 2009 season to drum up attention to his social media and get his name out there.

He works for the mouse, it's his job to make Stephen A Smith -tier takes

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“If David Johnson can get back to form” is a pretty big fucking question, Manny. Odds are against it, but odds are high Hopkins catches everything within 5 yards of him, and Fuller gets hurt. Weird trade from a Houston standpoint, other than a preemptive strike with Hopkins’ contract coming due soon.

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2 minutes ago, Vito Andolini said:

“If David Johnson can get back to form” is a pretty big fucking question, Manny. Odds are against it, but odds are high Hopkins catches everything within 5 yards of him, and Fuller gets hurt. Weird trade from a Houston standpoint, other than a preemptive strike with Hopkins’ contract coming due soon.

Standing by for a torn hamstring on the first "football move" of training camp, out for the season.

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6 minutes ago, elfenix said:

my browns fan (so, he's seen a lot of this dumb shit in his life) cousin points out that johnson only has 1 year left on his deal and there's lots of receivers in this draft. 

Johnson signed a 3 year extension during the 2018 season, he's under contract until 2022. The cap hit is less punishing in 2021, he would only account for 3 million in dead cap. If the Texans released him this season he'd account for $16 million in dead cap.

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1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Won't matter, the Dolphins own that pick.  THEY CAN'T EVEN TANK CORRECTLY.

 

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13 minutes ago, Chad said:

Johnson signed a 3 year extension during the 2018 season, he's under contract until 2022. The cap hit is less punishing in 2021, he would only account for 3 million in dead cap. If the Texans released him this season he'd account for $16 million in dead cap.

well, shit

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18 minutes ago, Vito Andolini said:

“If David Johnson can get back to form” is a pretty big fucking question, Manny. Odds are against it, but odds are high Hopkins catches everything within 5 yards of him, and Fuller gets hurt. Weird trade from a Houston standpoint, other than a preemptive strike with Hopkins’ contract coming due soon.

He still has 3 years left on his current contract. It doesn’t even make sense from that standpoint.

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4 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

He still has 3 years left on his current contract. It doesn’t even make sense from that standpoint.

I was watching a couple clips from NFL Network, and they made it seem like Hopkins was coming due soon, so I assumed and, well you know, the Ass is me. Thanks for the clarification.

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33 minutes ago, Vito Andolini said:

“If David Johnson can get back to form” is a pretty big fucking question, Manny. Odds are against it, but odds are high Hopkins catches everything within 5 yards of him, and Fuller gets hurt. Weird trade from a Houston standpoint, other than a preemptive strike with Hopkins’ contract coming due soon.

Exactly. One of the following statements must be true:

  1. Johnson was more hurt than the Cardinals let on, and his injuries lingered for the entire 2019 season. --OR--
  2. Johnson was healthy in the 2nd half of 2019 as the Cardinals claimed, but couldn't retake his job from Kenyan Drake.

Really bizarre trade. Johnson has had exactly one good season in his entire career, and it was 4 years ago.

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I can explain this trade in 3 simple words. Houston gonna Houston.

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6 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Barnwell's take, especially as it relates to Johnson's value, will only make Texans' fans feel worse.  This is abhorrent.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28911663/deandre-hopkins-trade-grade-texans-flunked-cardinals-got-elite-receiver

 

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Meanwhile, the Texans got league-average play from Carlos Hyde after acquiring him when the Chiefs were about to cut Hyde at the end of the preseason. Hyde declined an offer from the team last week, and O'Brien's response appears to have been the equivalent of a fan punching a hole in their television after a loss.

This analogy is fucking hilarious.

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1 minute ago, CurlyDumps said:

This analogy is fucking hilarious.

Yeah.  That was good.

TL;DR, Barnwell is essentially saying that the trade was Hopkins for the 2nd rounder.  Then they dumped Johnson on us in exchange for swapping out 4th rounders in 2020 and 2021. 

Arizona should have been SENDING the Texans stuff to take on D. Johnson's salary at that price. 

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So post 2019 draft, this is their net exchange of players and 1st, 2nd round picks:

Lost:

Hopkins, Franchise tag rights to Clowney

2020 1st (#26 overall)

2021 1st and 2nd

Received:

Tunsil, Stills, Duke Johnson, David Johnson

2020 2nd (#40 overall)

SEA 3rd in 2020 for Clowney passed to CLE for Duke.

If Tunsil plays like a franchise OT, David Johnson reverts to probowl form, and we get similar 2020 production from Duke and Stills, I’m not sure all these trades are as deplorable as they seem(ed) in real time. However, BoB seems like he sucks at drafting so the #40 overall pick will probably used on a backup aggy kicker. 

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55 minutes ago, Chad said:

It's a shame that this ass clown is associated with the University of Texas. I laughed my ass off when Boyd threatened to beat his ass, I face palmed when he talked about Texas players being paid during the 2009 season to drum up attention to his social media and get his name out there.

He's a clown but in his defense that tweet was based only on Schefter's information in the tweet above it. He didn't know they had traded Hopkins to get him, he thought they might have traded just a 5th rounder or something. 

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Another pro bowl RB in Devonta Freeman was cut by the Falcons. They could have grabbed him and kept Hopkins. 

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10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

He's a clown but in his defense that tweet was based only on Schefter's information in the tweet above it. He didn't know they had traded Hopkins to get him, he thought they might have traded just a 5th rounder or something. 

True but then not sure why he would think it's a great move for both sides if he didn't know what Houston had to give up for him or what Arizona was even getting back.

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1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

Is Houston going to run the wishbone next year? 

I would watch that! 

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Just now, markstanco said:

I would watch that! 

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Ya think this guy could install an offense?

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There were rumors Dhop was going to hold out as he was the 17th highest paid WR in the league (according to the radio guys).  This is still one of the worst trades in NFL history, but that may shine a little light on their thinking. 

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I’ve seen coaches leave franchises in bad spots, but the damage BOB is doing as coach and GM is truly impressive. This is an all time burn the place to the ground before you leave performance. 

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1 hour ago, youdunnf'dup said:

If all it took was a 2nd round pick and a beat up David Johnson, I’m surprised more teams weren’t in on Hopkins.

Arizona, first team he contacted

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3 minutes ago, Smax said:

Arizona, first team he contacted

Probably no one else thought they'd be so dumb to let him go for so little.

 

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30 minutes ago, Hate said:

There were rumors Dhop was going to hold out as he was the 17th highest paid WR in the league (according to the radio guys).  This is still one of the worst trades in NFL history, but that may shine a little light on their thinking. 

The players just gave away their holdout leverage in the latest CBA. Not only do the fines increase for holding out, but the fines cannot be waived by the team once the player reports to camp.

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12 minutes ago, Drew said:

Probably no one else thought they'd be so dumb to let him go for so little.

 

Houston should have contacted Dallas with Dumb and Dumber running the show. They could have gotten a lot more in return.

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The players just gave away their holdout leverage in the latest CBA. Not only do the fines increase for holding out, but the fines cannot be waived by the team once the player reports to camp.

I did not know this. The trade was incredibly stupid no matter the circumstances.

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6 minutes ago, Hate said:


I did not know this. The trade was incredibly stupid no matter the circumstances.

The mandatory fines apply for those players on their second contract. Players would also lose an accrued season towards free agency much faster. So the new CBA wouldn't have prevented Zeke's holdout last year but damn sure would have for Hopkins. There is supposed to be latitude for players still on their rookie deals.

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ESPN.com goes in dry:

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Even by Bill O'Brien's standards, the Cardinals and Texans made a stunning trade on Monday afternoon. Houston traded away arguably its second-most valuable player, star wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins, netting oft-injured running back David Johnson and a second-round pick in the process.

While I appreciate O'Brien's thoughtfulness in giving us a fascinating swap to discuss in these sport-free times, I feel for Texans fans who just lost a franchise icon in the prime of his career. Here are my thoughts on what might be the biggest trade we'll see this offseason:

 

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Texans trade DeAndre Hopkins to Cardinals for David Johnson

Houston Texans get: RB David Johnson, 2020 second-round pick, 2021 fourth-round pick
Arizona Cardinals get: WR DeAndre Hopkins, 2020 fourth-round pick

Cardinals grade: B+
Texans grade: F


My first instinct when I saw the terms of this trade was to worry whether Hopkins had lost a limb. My second instinct was to give the Texans side of this deal the same grade safety Tyrann Mathieu awarded his former team. This is a jaw-dropping, mind-bending, inexplicable trade for O'Brien, whose bizarre run as Texans general manager is going to be the subject of a 30 for 30 documentary one day.

Let's start with Johnson, who should have had negative trade value, especially after the Cardinals slapped the transition tag on Kenyan Drake earlier this morning. Johnson is now three years removed from his only productive NFL season. He missed almost the entire 2017 season with a wrist injury and has been a replacement-level back over the last two seasons. The Cardinals' offense instantly got better when they replaced him with Drake, who was available for a late-round pick from the Dolphins.

Johnson would likely be in line to get a one-year deal in the $2 million range if he hit the open market. Instead, his $10.2 million base salary is already guaranteed for 2020, and $2.1 million of his base salary in 2021 guarantees in five days. Throw in $960,000 in per-game roster bonuses and the Texans are on the hook for more than $13 million for Johnson over the next 12 months.

Johnson's deal is about $11 million underwater. If the Cardinals wanted to trade Johnson's deal to a rational team, my best estimate is that they would have needed to attach a third-round pick to get it done, and even that would have been on the light end of possible compensation. The Texans have now spent a third-round pick to acquire Duke Johnson and dealt away one of the best wide receivers in football because he wasn't enough to satisfy O'Brien's need at the running back position.

Meanwhile, the Texans got league-average play from Carlos Hyde after acquiring him when the Chiefs were about to cut Hyde at the end of the preseason. Hyde declined an offer from the team last week, and O'Brien's response appears to have been the equivalent of a fan punching a hole in their television after a loss. It would be one thing if the Texans were acquiring Ezekiel Elliott or some superstar back, but independent of his contract, David Johnson probably profiles as the pass-catching, lower-usage half of a running back rotation at the moment. That's exactly what O'Brien already had in Duke Johnson. If anything, the Texans still probably need to add a back who can work between the tackles.

 

DeAndre Hopkins caught 104 passes for 1,165 yards and seven touchdowns last season. Jeff Gross/Getty Images

Instead of sending a third-round pick to ship off Johnson, the Cardinals somehow managed to ship off Johnson by swapping fourth-round picks with the Texans. When you consider that the Texans are sending their 2020 fourth-rounder and getting a 2021 fourth-rounder in return, most teams would actually consider the pick swap a win for the Cardinals. I honestly admire Arizona general manager Steve Keim's audacity in even asking to swap fourth-rounders; it's as if someone offered you $1,000 for your VHS copy of "Mr. Deeds" and you asked that person for more before saying yes.

That half of the deal alone is a disaster for the Texans. The other half -- shipping out an unquestioned, bona fide star at wide receiver for the 40th pick in the draft -- is somehow even worse. I don't need to tell you how good Hopkins is, but remember that he was even posting huge numbers while O'Brien was saddling him with anonymous tall quarterbacks like Ryan Mallett, Tom Savage and Brock Osweiler, let alone once Deshaun Watson got there.

Watson has just nine career dropbacks without Hopkins in the lineup, and when an ailing Hopkins tried to grit his way through a playoff game against the Colts with a significant shoulder injury, Watson was 29-of-49 passing for just 235 yards with a passer rating of 69.7. The Texans are stuck with a pair of deep threats as their top wideouts in Will Fuller and Kenny Stills. Fuller is basically locked in as Houston's No. 1 wideout now, which is scary given the frequency with which the former Notre Dame star gets injured. Fuller has played about 36 complete games out of 64 possible contests across his four pro seasons. Do the Texans now extend Fuller to help pacify fans furious about the Hopkins deal?

We saw what the market for a franchise wide receiver on a second contract looks like last year when the Giants traded Odell Beckham Jr. to the Browns. Hopkins has a better off-field reputation and has been both healthier and more productive than OBJ, although Beckham was a year younger when he was dealt. The Browns sent the 17th and 95th picks and a starting strong safety, Jabrill Peppers, to acquire Beckham. The Texans are getting the 40th pick from the Cardinals for Hopkins.

EDITOR'S PICKS

You can argue that this draft is deep in wide receivers and that the Texans can try to replace Hopkins by using the second-round pick they acquired from the Cardinals on one of those wideouts, but there's just no way the Texans can expect to get anything close to Hopkins with that pick. The Texans are also down their first-round pick from the Laremy Tunsil trade and don't have their first- or second-round pick in 2021, so it wouldn't shock me if O'Brien used this pick to address the defensive side of the ball.

Comments after the trade have suggested Hopkins wants a new contract and that there was friction between O'Brien and his star receiver. I don't doubt those claims to be true, but they miss the point. Even if O'Brien decided that it was time to move on from Hopkins and didn't want to reward a frustrated player who was clamoring for a new deal, there's no way O'Brien can settle for a mid-second-round pick, let alone simultaneously sending a pick swap to acquire a distressed, underwater contract.

Hopkins is a franchise wide receiver in a league in which teams like the Jets, Colts, Raiders and Dolphins all have significant cap space and a need for a star wide receiver. The Ravens got a better deal for Hayden Hurst on Monday than the Texans got for Hopkins. Bill Belichick has moved on from star wide receivers like Deion Branch, Terry Glenn and Randy Moss in the past, but none was at the height of his powers like Hopkins, and Belichick was able to extract better deals for both Branch and Moss. Even if Hopkins falls flat on his face in Arizona and Johnson returns to form in Houston, this would be a disastrous trade for the Texans in terms of failing to maximize or remotely comprehend player value, which has repeatedly been a problem for O'Brien.

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The only mild criticism I can think of when it comes to the Cardinals here is that they've now devoted another asset to adding weapons for Kyler Murray when they need to add pieces for the league's 23rd-ranked defense by DVOA. The Cardinals re-signed Larry Fitzgerald this offseason, transition-tagged Drake and now have three second-round picks committed to their wideout core in Christian Kirk, Andy Isabella and the second-rounder they shipped to the Texans for Hopkins. It's good to give your young quarterback weapons, but they've placed a lot of eggs in this basket.

Ideally, the Cardinals would let Drake leave and devote the rest of their offseason to plugging holes on the defense, but this is a trade Arizona should and would make 100 times out of 100, regardless of the moves it made before the deal. The Cardinals will likely rip up the three years and $39.9 million remaining on Hopkins' deal and give him an extension, and while that will make him less valuable in terms of surplus value, adding a truly special talent to the roster is an easy victory for the Cards.

 

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29 minutes ago, C-Man said:

ESPN.com goes in dry:

 

Sorry about this -- see it was already posted above. Carry on.

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4 hours ago, Chad said:

It's a shame that this ass clown is associated with the University of Texas. I laughed my ass off when Boyd threatened to beat his ass, I face palmed when he talked about Texas players being paid during the 2009 season to drum up attention to his social media and get his name out there.

I’m still trying to figure out how he came from the same gene pool as his brother.

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I was thinking there had to be a reason why Hopkins was traded in case he was old or a bad contract, but seems like he's absolutely in his prime and his contract is extremely manageable.

Not a Texans fan, but the owner should have fired BoB on the spot when he brought him that trade.

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So let me get this straight. In the last year the Texans have traded:

Hopkins for a 2nd and David Johnson whose contract and injuries makes him a player the Cards were hoping to give away.


Clowney for a 3rd

And Traded away two 1st round picks for Laremy Tunsil.

The worst player on the list commanded the most valuable draft inventory.

Bill O'Brien has to be a Patriots sleeper cell. 

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4 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

He's a clown but in his defense that tweet was based only on Schefter's information in the tweet above it. He didn't know they had traded Hopkins to get him, he thought they might have traded just a 5th rounder or something. 

To your point:

 

 

 

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Besides emotional pain and personal issues he is having off the field I can’t get into, Hop was going to hold out. He wanted a trade. 

Philly didn’t want him. Seattle said no thanks. Ravens offered a 5th and said “we know he can’t run routes.”  better off after the trade or else would’ve been in a Clowney situation where we would’ve gotten nothing if waited

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18 minutes ago, TexasGolf said:

Besides emotional pain and personal issues he is having off the field I can’t get into, Hop was going to hold out. He wanted a trade. 

Philly didn’t want him. Seattle said no thanks. Ravens offered a 5th and said “we know he can’t run routes.”  better off after the trade or else would’ve been in a Clowney situation where we would’ve gotten nothing if waited

How was he going to hold out? It's almost as if people haven't been paying attention. The new CBA makes it extremely punitive to hold out. 

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