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3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

 (The Loop is frankly a laughable example). 

I used to laugh at that in the song. It was lower middle class black but closer to middle than lower. It wasn’t even close to the really sketchy parts of St. Louis on the east side. 
that said- most of my law school classmates shit their pants over the place I lived and opted for Clayton which was safer and whiter. We were basically the only white people on our street, that shopped at our gas station whatever. I felt scared ever like twice in 3 years- one time when a guy two doors down pulled a gun on my neighbor. Then looked over at me (was sitting on my porch minding my own business) but that and the other time weren’t people from my neighborhood causing or looking for trouble. 
People in the county though thought we lived in the hood. The idea of them disrupting my polling site is humorous to me. Nope. Not in a million years. 
it’s what Chi Town said- all talk. 
All of these fears and boasts and all this other nonsense is pure fantasy. 

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You didn’t live in the hood. You lived in probably the most educated neighborhood in the city. The GOP isn’t going to send a goon squad into the Harvard Square of St Louis. 

I’m talking about neighborhoods like those in North County, where the law-abiding majority is used to keeping their heads down and where they do things like give a fake name to any white person who introduces themselves. Those are the people whose deep-seated suspicion of authority makes them ripe for intimidation. 

But, you know, feel free to keep ignoring the stories of the GOP training an army of “poll watchers.” I’m sure the Republicans are wasting their time and money on something they know won’t work, and we shouldn’t do anything about it. 

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43 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

You didn’t live in the hood. You lived in probably the most educated neighborhood in the city. The GOP isn’t going to send a goon squad into the Harvard Square of St Louis. 

I’m talking about neighborhoods like those in North County, where the law-abiding majority is used to keeping their heads down and where they do things like give a fake name to any white person who introduces themselves. Those are the people whose deep-seated suspicion of authority makes them ripe for intimidation. 

But, you know, feel free to keep ignoring the stories of the GOP training an army of “poll watchers.” I’m sure the Republicans are wasting their time and money on something they know won’t work, and we shouldn’t do anything about it. 

It’s like you aren’t listening. I said it wasn’t the hood. And yet by virtue of what it was it scared all the white people out in the county. Cmon man keep up. 
put another way- the white people with guns out to protect their property live in a much nicer place and yet they are getting charged. Those clowns aren’t going to intimidate anyone where I lived. 

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Here's a couple of thing about the rural counties when it comes to Trump's army of intimidators:

1) Most are so red, that they feel the blue votes are a joke, so they won't put much into intimidation there.

2) Many of them aren't concerned with anything other than Trump getting re-elected. 

3) A lot of precincts in rural Texas have no Democratic presence in working the polls as judges or workers.  Therein can be enough misdirection and intimidation in the polling place.  Since poll workers can only work in their resident county, it limits who can  be drawn from.  We can't pull in workers from other places.  So if you live rural, please consider being a poll worker or poll judge.   We will also have a small group of poll watchers who can monitor polling locations for intimidation by poll workers or others outside.  

4) The TDP is pushing hard the "your vote matters" message to get out the vote in the rural counties, because they know they need to win all the way up and down the ballot, and personally I feel a lot of red voters again won't take seriously that blue vote, feeling secure that everyone is focused solely on Trump.   

5) One thing about the COVID is that a lot of us in rural counties are getting more interaction with and exposure to all the candidates.  We will be having Zoom meetings with all the candidates for judges, for example.  We are now not the 'drive through' counties, but the 'zoomed into.'  So instead of people passing over candidates they don't know, now there will be more connection there, thus more votes.  Hopefully.  

6) Thirty years ago in our county people who voted in the Democratic primary were threatened with job loss or other means.   The party bosses intimidated that way, not at the polls.  And I am sure some of that still applies.  But fortunately there is no declaration during the general, like there is in the primary.

7) Lastly, early voting and vote by mail are key components.  The more who vote before Nov 3, the less potential for confrontations at the polls.

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All of this poll intimidation bullshit could end up being no big deal.

 

Trumps problem is the rust belt with the exception of Ohio. He’s way behind in Pennsylvania and Michigan. 

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7 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don’t disagree with much of this but America has failed because the American People have and continue to fail ourselves. We’re collectively shitty patents, we don’t value education, we prioritize things over people, were lazy, were selfish, we spend all our time on social media and eschew facts and research. We let ourselves be lied to. The current Republican Party is the ultimate manifestation of that. It will change when we change. 

Preach

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As a white person who lives in a 50/50 town, in an 80% black county, the one thing I know is the kind of white person who wants to join a GOP poll intimidation  team is also the kind of white person who will not volunteer to actually watch a poll in a majority minority community.  Oh, they’ll gun up and glower at their very red, rural polling site. But the 4th CD of Georgia?  I don’t think so.

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1 hour ago, JimmyJames said:

It will happen in Georgia. Kemp will do whatever he can to intimidate his black constituents and his racist white supporters will applaud him for it. 

If Georgia has to resort to intimidation, then the voter roll purges were failures. It’s far easier to quietly send people home for not being on the list. Kemp “won” his election without any implied violence, just purely bureaucratic power.

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1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I used to know 2 Nelly songs- must be the money and country grammar. Now I know 3. Thank you.  It sounds just like country grammar to me. 

Dude. Hot in Herre or gtfo

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More relevant to the conversation, I lived in North Charleston SC in the late 90s. MAGA ain't going there period.

 

Also got to hang out with DMX while he hid from the law.

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I'm going to wear my ACLU shirt to vote so that I can get into fights with Democrats AND Republicans.

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I’ve seen a few of election bloggers touch on it, but the big story in November won’t be voter intimidation at the polls. It will be the rejection of mail-in ballots.
Wasserman breaks it down here, but this year has the potential to make “hanging chads” look like child’s play.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1235289?__twitter_impression=true

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Voter apathy is tied to the Electoral College. A lot of people are used to their vote being completely worthless depending on the state they live in and the party they want to vote for. 

Twice in 16 years we've had a candidate win the White House with a minority of the vote. 

Hanging chads in Florida resulted in an endless and expensive war in the Middle East. 

People are stupid, but the institutions are broken. 

 

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any intimidation will be immigration themed, not minorities or poors.  they'll be there to scare anyone who's illegal/undocumented or illegal adjacent (has family or friends that are undocumented/illegal).  their presence isn't for confrontation, it's to keep people from showing up at all.

and it will work.  

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27 minutes ago, G650 said:

Dude. Hot in Herre or gtfo

I knew that one too. Sorry. I forgot that. 

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32 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

As a white person who lives in a 50/50 town, in an 80% black county, the one thing I know is the kind of white person who wants to join a GOP poll intimidation  team is also the kind of white person who will not volunteer to actually watch a poll in a majority minority community.  Oh, they’ll gun up and glower at their very red, rural polling site. But the 4th CD of Georgia?  I don’t think so.

Yes. This is exactly my point. Sound and fury signifying nothing bc the Trump dead Enders are old, dumb or scared. 

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10 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Voter apathy is tied to the Electoral College. A lot of people are used to their vote being completely worthless depending on the state they live in and the party they want to vote for. 

Twice in 16 years we've had a candidate win the White House with a minority of the vote. 

Hanging chads in Florida resulted in an endless and expensive war in the Middle East. 

People are stupid, but the institutions are broken. 

 

No it's not. Voter apathy is even more obvious in non-Presidential election years.

Oh, by the way, Clinton got a minority of the vote, too.

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2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

It’s like you aren’t listening. I said it wasn’t the hood. And yet by virtue of what it was it scared all the white people out in the county. Cmon man keep up. 
put another way- the white people with guns out to protect their property live in a much nicer place and yet they are getting charged. Those clowns aren’t going to intimidate anyone where I lived. 

So, your point is that you once lived in a neighborhood that is in no way relevant to my argument? I guess that’s a thing you could mention for some reason.

Look, we agree The Loop is not the kind of place the GOP would seek to intimidate voters. That does not at all disprove the fact that there are neighborhoods where the GOP will seek to intimidate voters and, absent push-back from Democrats, those tactics can succeed. So I’m not sure what your constant shout-out to the hipster enclave where you once lived has to do with anything.

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37 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

So, your point is that you once lived in a neighborhood that is in no way relevant to my argument? I guess that’s a thing you could mention for some reason.

Look, we agree The Loop is not the kind of place the GOP would seek to intimidate voters. That does not at all disprove the fact that there are neighborhoods where the GOP will seek to intimidate voters and, absent push-back from Democrats, those tactics can succeed. So I’m not sure what your constant shout-out to the hipster enclave where you once lived has to do with anything.

Not a hipster enclave dude. No way. At least not when I lived there 23 years ago. 
my point is this- trump voters are big mouthed cowards and they aren’t going in to intimidate voters in any minority majority areas. No way, now how. And if they did those guys would know how to handle it and the trump “poll watchers” will go running away like a scared dog. You are worried about and making a big thing out of nothing. 
This entire election is going to be a nothing burger. Ho hum, Dems win a huge EC victory, and Trump is drummed out of office in disgrace and no civil unrest happens. 

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2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

No it's not. Voter apathy is even more obvious in non-Presidential election years.

Oh, by the way, Clinton got a minority of the vote, too.

Twice right?  Or did he get like 50.000001% in 1996?

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3 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

I love it when someone contradicts their own assertion without even the space of another sentence. 

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1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

I was talking about Hillary, but yes, nobody named Clinton ever got 50% of the vote.

Ok. That too- hadn’t thought about it that way. 

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2 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Ok. That too- hadn’t thought about it that way. 

Yeah. Samuel Tilden is the only candidate who has ever garnered a majority of the popular vote without becoming President.

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Just now, Huckleberry said:

Yeah. Samuel Tilden is the only candidate who has ever garnered a majority of the popular vote without becoming President.

That’s a tough beat for old Sam.  

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29 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I love it when someone contradicts their own assertion without even the space of another sentence. 

So is Stephen Miller writing his tweets now?

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44 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Not a hipster enclave dude. No way. At least not when I lived there 23 years ago. 
my point is this- trump voters are big mouthed cowards and they aren’t going in to intimidate voters in any minority majority areas. No way, now how. And if they did those guys would know how to handle it and the trump “poll watchers” will go running away like a scared dog. You are worried about and making a big thing out of nothing. 
This entire election is going to be a nothing burger. Ho hum, Dems win a huge EC victory, and Trump is drummed out of office in disgrace and no civil unrest happens. 

Okay, I see what you’re saying. But I disagree. One disconnect is that you’re assuming that the intimidators will be gun-toting rednecks or bikers or some shit. That’s not at all how it will be, or at least not what I believe is the real threat. It will be Karens and Kens, grumpy old geezers, and young conservative enthusiasts in cheap suits, armed with half-truths and fabricated threats of legal action. Their goal is to create a perception of risk and hassle, as if voting could lead to legal problems or police harassment and just isn’t worth the trouble. 

 

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Gore didn't get 50% either.  No candidate reached 50% of the popular vote in 4 of the last 7 presidential elections.

I think it's possible Biden gets the largest popular vote share since Reagan in 84.

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48 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Feels like jobs already disappeared. Are we pretending that didn’t happen?

He sure as hell is.

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2 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

biden should just come out and say he's going to abolish taxes for the first four years.  it's not like we need taxes for the government to spend whatever they want anyway, right?

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3 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

His tweets are low grade, absolutely pathetic, dim witted drivel bullshit. 
 

I can’t imagine anyone with an IQ over 75 or someone having a high school diploma or above actually taking them seriously. 

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7 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

any intimidation will be immigration themed, not minorities or poors.  they'll be there to scare anyone who's illegal/undocumented or illegal adjacent (has family or friends that are undocumented/illegal).  their presence isn't for confrontation, it's to keep people from showing up at all.

and it will work.  

I’m not sure keeping illegal immigrants away from the polls is a sound argument. That’s a good thing, is it not?

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35 minutes ago, Spankytoes said:

I’m not sure keeping illegal immigrants away from the polls is a sound argument. That’s a good thing, is it not?

so these volunteers will intimidate brown people who look like they could be illegals, and you're cool with it?

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1 hour ago, Spankytoes said:

I’m not sure keeping illegal immigrants away from the polls is a sound argument. That’s a good thing, is it not?

In an average year, how many illegal immigrants do you think actually show up at a polling station with the intent to vote?

 

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5 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

In an average year, how many illegal immigrants do you think actually show up at a polling station with the intent to vote?

 

Zero. That’s why I find his position strange. He is worried that illegals will be intimidated from showing up at the polls. They aren’t supposed to be at the polls nor has that ever been an issue.

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6 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

so these volunteers will intimidate brown people who look like they could be illegals, and you're cool with it?

What are you basing this on? Where is this already happening?

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Zero. That’s why I find his position strange. He is worried that illegals will be intimidated from showing up at the polls. They aren’t supposed to be at the polls nor has that ever been an issue.
No, we're worried that legal voters who aren't white will be intimidated from showing up to the polls, and there's plenty of historical Republican precedent for that to happen. Not to mention the shit that spews from the President's mouth.

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37 minutes ago, trauma babe said:
1 hour ago, Spankytoes said:
Zero. That’s why I find his position strange. He is worried that illegals will be intimidated from showing up at the polls. They aren’t supposed to be at the polls nor has that ever been an issue.

No, we're worried that legal voters who aren't white will be intimidated from showing up to the polls, and there's plenty of historical Republican precedent for that to happen. Not to mention the shit that spews from the President's mouth.

Can you provide a link to where this has occurred, since there’s plenty of Republican precedent to choose from and all? (And how exactly do you know that they are Democrat voters? You’re basing this off of race?) Why would a legal citizen feel intimidated to not show up at the polls where they get to vote in private? Is there evidence to show that illegal immigrants have been deported as a tactic to dissuade legal citizens from voting? Where are you getting this data from?

Repeating conjecture often enough doesn’t make it true. My wife and I have several friends from Russia/Eastern bloc countries that have overstayed their visa. Neither of us have ever felt intimated to vote as registered Republicans in a heavily blue state. We would, however, feel intimidated if we wore MAGA hats to the polls. (Side note: Neither of us are Trump fans, that’s an example) What does skin color have to do with anything? Where are POC being intimated and/or denied their right to vote?

Enlighten me.

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Black seniors had their bus turned around on the way to vote in Georgia 2 years ago. 
 

Black voters ordered off bus

 

 

6 hour wait at to vote in the democratic primary at Texas Southern University (2% of the student body is white) in March:

6 hour wait


 

The new data support perhaps the worst-case scenario offered by opponents of restrictive voting laws. Nine percent of black respondents and 9 percent of Hispanic respondents indicated that, in the last election, they (or someone in their household) were told that they lacked the proper identification to vote. Just 3 percent of whites said the same. Ten percent of black respondents and 11 percent of Hispanic respondents reported that they were incorrectly told that they weren’t listed on voter rolls, as opposed to 5 percent of white respondents.

Voter Suppression is Warping Democracy

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4 hours ago, Spankytoes said:

Can you provide a link to where this has occurred, since there’s plenty of Republican precedent to choose from and all? (And how exactly do you know that they are Democrat voters? You’re basing this off of race?) Why would a legal citizen feel intimidated to not show up at the polls where they get to vote in private? Is there evidence to show that illegal immigrants have been deported as a tactic to dissuade legal citizens from voting? Where are you getting this data from?

Repeating conjecture often enough doesn’t make it true. My wife and I have several friends from Russia/Eastern bloc countries that have overstayed their visa. Neither of us have ever felt intimated to vote as registered Republicans in a heavily blue state. We would, however, feel intimidated if we wore MAGA hats to the polls. (Side note: Neither of us are Trump fans, that’s an example) What does skin color have to do with anything? Where are POC being intimated and/or denied their right to vote?

Enlighten me.

Enlighten me why the Republican party would bother dedicating resources to stopping a thing that you admit is not actually a problem. What benefit do you think the party gets from it? 

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40 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Black seniors had their bus turned around on the way to vote in Georgia 2 years ago. 
 

Black voters ordered off bus

 

 

6 hour wait at to vote in the democratic primary at Texas Southern University (2% of the student body is white) in March:

6 hour wait


 

The new data support perhaps the worst-case scenario offered by opponents of restrictive voting laws. Nine percent of black respondents and 9 percent of Hispanic respondents indicated that, in the last election, they (or someone in their household) were told that they lacked the proper identification to vote. Just 3 percent of whites said the same. Ten percent of black respondents and 11 percent of Hispanic respondents reported that they were incorrectly told that they weren’t listed on voter rolls, as opposed to 5 percent of white respondents.

Voter Suppression is Warping Democracy

 

Yeah, but all of those black people on that bus could have been Republicans.  Isn’t that how some dumbasses are going to argue that?

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17 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Yeah, but all of those black people on that bus could have been Republicans.  Isn’t that how some dumbasses are going to argue that?

Only the stupid ones who listen to Kanye.

 

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1 hour ago, Firemans4Horn said:

The new data support perhaps the worst-case scenario offered by opponents of restrictive voting laws. Nine percent of black respondents and 9 percent of Hispanic respondents indicated that, in the last election, they (or someone in their household) were told that they lacked the proper identification to vote. Just 3 percent of whites said the same. Ten percent of black respondents and 11 percent of Hispanic respondents reported that they were incorrectly told that they weren’t listed on voter rolls, as opposed to 5 percent of white respondents.

Voter Suppression is Warping Democracy

 

This is exactly the kind of bullshit I’m talking about. It’s not about AR-toting skinheads or Wulaw’s race war cosplay fantasy. The interference will be run by self-righteous Karens and pre-law Young Republicans claiming to enforce fake laws and regulations. If y’all think that kind of intimidation by GOP “observers” won’t be targeted primarily at minority voters, I have a stockpile of hydroxychloroquine I’d like to sell you.

To get this discussion back on track: is anyone aware of groups in Texas organizing to go out to the polls in November to advocate for voters against such interference? 

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