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20 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I can tell you this much about hope. This comes from all of the protests and rallies I have been at in DC and here in NYC. The young black women and men speaking do not say hope anymore when talking about what they want and the world they want to live in. The most common word used, almost universally, is EXPECT. They expect change and are willing to fight for it until they get it. They aren’t leaving their future, as well as the future of their children, in the hands of hope anymore because they have been screwed over too many times waiting for change and it is clear they won’t get it by doing that. It is amazing to see this mindset change to full-on “fuck you I don’t have to take this shit anymore mode.”

Exactly.  That combined with the number of non black people out there makes me feel more optimistic than ever.  We collectively ain’t havin’ this shit anymore.

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Ross Perot lost the reelection of a sitting president


The evidence for that isn't particularly strong. He iirc exit polling indicated he pulled pretty evenly from dem/rep.

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From Aggy no less:

White police officers are far more likely to use force than their nonwhite counterparts, especially in minority neighborhoods, according to a study from Texas A&M University researchers.

The outcome is dramatically different when a white officer responds to a call versus a Black officer in an otherwise similar call, they found. White officers use force 60 percent more often, on average, than Black officers, and fire their guns twice as often, said Texas A&M Professor of Economics Mark Hoekstra.

https://today.tamu.edu/2020/06/24/texas-am-study-white-police-officers-use-force-more-often-than-non-white-colleagues/

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9 hours ago, elfenix said:


 

 


The evidence for that isn't particularly strong. He iirc exit polling indicated he pulled pretty evenly from dem/rep.

 

I was using that as an example of the counterarguments I hear all the time. Of course, I was 5 so I've only got textbooks and documentaries to provide a perspective for the time period. I'm of the opinion that Bush SR lost because of the whole "read my lips" deal and Reaganomics really started rearing its ugly head. Perot had fuckall to do with that. 

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On 6/28/2020 at 3:07 PM, UpperWestside said:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/27/272-nypd-cops-file-for-retirement-since-floyd-protests/
 

Try reading that entire article without being even angrier at police by the end of it. What a bunch of entitled bitches who now can’t handle the backlash towards their shitty and racist behavior. 

I'll see your anger and raise you "but sometimes black officers commit heinous acts against black civilians therefore race has nothing to do with the problem".

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39 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

 

Exactly what I expected based on how they were dressed.  He had pleated slacks for God’s sake.

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9 minutes ago, Parliament said:

How did this guy earn his money?

Ummm . . . personal injury attorney?  Both of them?  I don't know what they're pulling, but I'd be shocked if it isn't $500K annual combined, and maybe a lot more.

It's St. Louis.  That McMansion probably cost him $1M.  It would be $2.5M here, in a "lesser" neighborhood.  It's not a Pemberton house.

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Knight said:

 

That wood working is amazing.   
 

that’s not some stupid McMansion, or 80s trump coke world, that’s a proper 100+ year old mansion. 
 

murals are too much (unless they are original to the house). 

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Right, a proper 100+ year old mansion decorated and designed like an 80s Trump Coke world (whatever that is.)

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1 minute ago, Xian said:

That wood working is amazing.   
 

that’s not some stupid McMansion, or 80s trump coke world, that’s a proper 100+ year old mansion. 

Hideous ??!!  Uber traditional might not be your cup of tea, but that is some straight up seriously nice architecture, and craftsmanship.  That barrel vaulted dining space is really really well executed.

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1 minute ago, Foosters said:

Right, a proper 100+ year old mansion decorated and designed like an 80s Trump Coke world (whatever that is.)

Umm no, maybe an 80's mansion, but the design and furnishings look pretty period and correct at first glance.

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9 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

 

Hideous ??!!  Uber traditional might not be your cup of tea, but that is some straight up seriously nice architecture, and craftsmanship.  That barrel vaulted dining space is really really well executed.

I think you are quoting the wrong person?  I was saying it was not a McMansion. It’s a proper 100+ year old city estate.

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5 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Right, a proper 100+ year old mansion decorated and designed like an 80s Trump Coke world (whatever that is.)

Look up the picture of trumps home posted above. 
 

that’s 80s coke world (or neumoney Eastern Europe oligarch) 

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9 minutes ago, Xian said:

I think you are quoting the wrong person?  I was saying it was not a McMansion. It’s a proper 100+ year old city estate.

Ahh, yeah I read what you posted, and agreed.  I just saw images of the gun wielding couple in front of the house.  It looks new to me, but those interiors are very nice.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Doesn't matter . . . it's gaudy.  And real estate in St. Louis is cheap.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but that's not gaudy, it's pretty straight up, very layered, 19th c. architectural detailing.  The woodwork and barrel vaulted ceiling are really nice details. Not a fan of the stair railing, but it looks period.

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To back up my assertion, just go to Zillow and see what the estimated property values are for a variety of mansions in that neighborhood:

12,028 sf ($1.76M)

6,738 sf ($1.26M)

14,595 sf ($1.97M)

 

Those prices range from $135/sf to $186/sf.

Those houses would cost at least twice that much in Austin, and probably three times as much.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

To back up my assertion, just go to Zillow and see what the estimated property values are for a variety of mansions:

12,028 sf ($1.76M)

6,738 sf ($1.26M)

14,595 sf ($1.97M)

 

Those prices range from $135/sf to $186/sf.

Those houses would cost at least twice that much in Austin, and probably three times as much.

Bentonville, Arkansas is more expensive than STL.  

STL is a fairly small and poor “city.”

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7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

To back up my assertion, just go to Zillow and see what the estimated property values are for a variety of mansions in that neighborhood:

12,028 sf ($1.76M)

6,738 sf ($1.26M)

14,595 sf ($1.97M)

 

Those prices range from $135/sf to $186/sf.

Those houses would cost at least twice that much in Austin, and probably three times as much.

It’s a Flyover state.  Houses are cheap.  That’s a good thing. More of America should be like that.  

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1 minute ago, Xian said:

It’s a Flyover state.  Houses are cheap.  That’s a good thing. More of America should be like that.  

I was born there.  I grew up near there.  I know the city very well.  That's a REALLY nice neighborhood, it's not some bombed out Detroit-former-glory $1 per mansion place.

My point is that these jackasses may not be nearly so well off as one might assume given their house.  Attorney fees don't scale linearly with housing prices.  There is some proportionality, for sure, but it doesn't take crazy money to live in that neighborhood.

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I wouldn’t take a 12K SF house that’s only worth $1.7M.  You’d have an easier time getting rid of herpes than a house like that.

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9 minutes ago, Xian said:

It’s a Flyover state.  Houses are cheap.  That’s a good thing. More of America should be like that.  

I disagree. Houses that size should be nearly impossible to afford. What should be cheap is reasonably sized housing. I say that as someone who owns a home with more SF than I should because they don't build houses as small as I grew up in anymore.

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3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I wouldn’t take a 12K SF house that’s only worth $1.7M.  You’d have an easier time getting rid of herpes than a house like that.

All real estate is local.

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8 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I disagree. Houses that size should be nearly impossible to afford. What should be cheap is reasonably sized housing. I say that as someone who owns a home with more SF than I should because they don't build houses as small as I grew up in anymore.

How small?  San Fran has a lot of amazing old bungalows that can get pretty tiny. 
 

Sorry for the side track, im an old house bro. I love them. Mine was built in 1886, which is pretty old for Texas. 
 

i probably need to see if there is a thread in BB (or more likely “help” lol)

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My first house was 980 sf, located one house north of the Enfield/MoPac intersection (NE corner).  Classic 2/1, entered the living room, dining room to the left, kitchen behind that, bed/bath/bed along the back of the house.

It was completely livable, especially for my bachelor self.  A couple with 1-2 young kids could be very happy there.  Bought it for $76K, sold it for $105K a few years later.  Thought I'd hit gold.

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So this thread is now about architecture. The Trump thread is about Mexican food outside of Texas. I assume the Covid threads will soon turn into discussions about, I don't know, maybe favorite reptiles?

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3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Bentonville, Arkansas is more expensive than STL.  

STL is a fairly small and poor “city.”

St Louis Don’t have Walmart money, which sadly, is a thing. 

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2 hours ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

So this thread is now about architecture. The Trump thread is about Mexican food outside of Texas. I assume the Covid threads will soon turn into discussions about, I don't know, maybe favorite reptiles?

 

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Have they been disbarred yet? That is some seriously poor judgement.

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What if we had a police force that wasn't a bunch of racist Republican wife-beaters?

That would kick ass!

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1 hour ago, Michael Knight said:

He's on tv right now with a lawyer, they both sound drunk

I’m pretty sure he and his wife were drunk when they brandished firearms against a crowd of people.

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A discussion of Minnesota’s progressive policies, not yielding results. Their interpretation, they didn’t go far enough. Interesting.

Cunningham, who grew up in Minneapolis and served as the city’s associate schools superintendent and deputy civil rights director, said that for too long, there has been a “huge disconnect between the progressive policies that are put in place and the outcomes that they get.”
 

Interesting that they assume some kind of disconnect when maybe the simpler answer is that there is a connection? 🧐 🤔 🤨 

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2 minutes ago, GRHorn said:


A discussion of Minnesota’s progressive policies, not yielding results. Their interpretation, they didn’t go far enough. Interesting.

Cunningham, who grew up in Minneapolis and served as the city’s associate schools superintendent and deputy civil rights director, said that for too long, there has been a “huge disconnect between the progressive policies that are put in place and the outcomes that they get.”
 

Interesting that they assume some kind of disconnect when maybe the simpler answer is that there is a connection? 🧐 🤔 🤨 

The bigger answer is that any policy is a reflection of the interests of the people who drive the policy.  For a long-ass time, white progressives have been utterly clueless (at best) about the effects of their policies on minorities, and/or (at worst), they've known that the policies negatively affect minorities, but pursue them anyway because "it's good for the community as a whole."

I got to Austin 30+ years ago, didn't know a lot about the town.  I quickly learned that it characterized itself as progressive/liberal as hell....AND....that this was a shockingly segregated town (I came from Houston).  SOS and super-environmentalism was the order of the day -- a super-progressive cause (that also can have some serious discriminatory impacts).  Lots of self-congratulatory white liberals in Volvos with "visualize world peace" bumper stickers who also had contact with 1 or fewer minorities per week.  Racism, including systematic racism, is our collective sin, and it's woven through and into most systems and policy approaches we've come up with in our history.

Which is the point.  We must come up with a new and different way of looking at these things.  It's much, much deeper than just having institutionalized violent and racist police departments.  It's how we zone, how we approve (or deny) building permits, it's how we structure our schools and their funding, etc. etc.

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The bigger answer is that any policy is a reflection of the interests of the people who drive the policy.  For a long-ass time, white progressives have been utterly clueless (at best) about the effects of their policies on minorities, and/or (at worst), they've known that the policies negatively affect minorities, but pursue them anyway because "it's good for the community as a whole."

I got to Austin 30+ years ago, didn't know a lot about the town.  I quickly learned that it characterized itself as progressive/liberal as hell....AND....that this was a shockingly segregated town (I came from Houston).  SOS and super-environmentalism was the order of the day -- a super-progressive cause (that also can have some serious discriminatory impacts).  Lots of self-congratulatory white liberals in Volvos with "visualize world peace" bumper stickers who also had contact with 1 or fewer minorities per week.  Racism, including systematic racism, is our collective sin, and it's woven through and into most systems and policy approaches we've come up with in our history.

Which is the point.  We must come up with a new and different way of looking at these things.  It's much, much deeper than just having institutionalized violent and racist police departments.  It's how we zone, how we approve (or deny) building permits, it's how we structure our schools and their funding, etc. etc.

I'm not sure there's anything that can overcome NIMBYism. A lot of progressive white people talk a good game until the moment an affordable housing development is about to be built next to their neighborhood.  Then they'll raise absolute hell to protect their good schools and their property values.

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