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https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/protest-over-bar-shutdown-scheduled-for-11-a-m-at-texas-state-capitol/

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A group of bar workers are staging a protest outside the Texas State Capitol at 11 a.m. Tuesday against Gov. Greg Abbott’s recent order to shutter bars due to a spike in COVID-19 cases.

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Organizers stressed to participants that they need to wear masks and maintain social distance, but also said “we will only solve problems with numbers.”

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Do something that could lead to an outbreak, to show that you are upset that your industry was penalized for contributing heavily to the current outbreak.

These organizers need to police themselves, and call out their fellow bars that were causing problems (the ones all over social media with no social distancing or masks), rather than bitch en masse.

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3 hours ago, Brew said:

It makes some sense in parks that have public restrooms, but they could always just lock the restrooms. From what we have seen at the beach, people are maintaining their distance from other groups, but you still have some pretty large groups getting together and hanging out. However, to your point if they want to get together, they are going to get together somewhere.

Kids have been all over the playground equipment.  All over it, at least in the parks near us.  And mask usage was only sporadic, with parents standing shoulder-to-shoulder and yapping away about who is banging who or whatever.

Edit: That was before the mask order, but still seeing kids on the equipment.

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7 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

A 35 day shutdown of what? Just make masks mandatory. I understand shutting gyms and movie theaters.

If gyms and movie theaters were causing problems, they would have been included in the bar shutdown order.

We've went to the YMCA a few times, even took the kids swimming once, and they were far more vigilant and cleaner than walking into a grocery store.  We had to be masked up, had temperature checks at the door, and were spread out, and they cleaned everything as soon as we were done.

Look at the rise in restaurant credit card spending (which includes bars), and it correlates with the major outbreaks.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/26/this-chart-shows-the-link-between-restaurant-spending-and-new-coronavirus-cases.html

 

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2 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

My buddy at willowbrook Methodist texted me this-

“There are patients in our ED who have been there for 5-6 days...I’m assuming on a vent and waiting for an ICU bed but dunno now. At least 40-50 ppl in ED w confirmed covid “

Part of the problem that I’ve seen is that 40-50 ppl in the ER should be significantly less. I can’t tell you how many 911calls I’ve been on where the person only called because they got a positive Covid test result. Asymptomatic people think they need to call 911 or go to the ER simply because they are positive with no symptoms and are only spreading the virus unnecessarily. Common sense isn’t so common.

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10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Kids have been all over the playground equipment.  All over it, at least in the parks near us.  And mask usage was only sporadic, with parents standing shoulder-to-shoulder and yapping away about who is banging who or whatever.

Edit: That was before the mask order, but still seeing kids on the equipment.

Do you think kids should be allowed to play on park equipment?

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22 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

A 35 day shutdown of what? Just make masks mandatory. I understand shutting gyms and movie theaters.

I don’t think we need a complete shutdown. We are stuck with this for a while can’t completely shut down things again. LA has been locked down and they are seeing another spike right now

that's unpossible!

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talked to an ER Doc friend out of Dallas who said the numbers are climbing but they have capacity.  He's a doc so in general he is concerned but was fairly confident they'd get through this and wasn't at the point of tears.

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50 year old brother in law got a positive result yesterday from a test 10 days ago. One day of fever, loss of smell, and general tiredness. His wife has identical symptoms and isn't even going to bother with the test, but I'm going to count her. Two closer to herd immunity.

Both teamOpositve

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2 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

50 year old brother in law got a positive result yesterday from a test 10 days ago. One day of fever, loss of smell, and general tiredness. His wife has identical symptoms and isn't even going to bother with the test, but I'm going to count her. Two closer to herd immunity.

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Let's get Stiglitz over here you clearly don't have enough fear

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4 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

Both teamOpositve

I put a post to a twitter thread where the genetics were being discussed on the COVID medical thread.  Appears that the ABO thing is not being replicated by some of the more recent genetics work.  But to be clear, I posted that in the thread to see if somebody could translate was the twitter nerds were talking about, so I may have that wrong. 

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Quick glance at what industries are causing workplace related clusters in Travis:

KXAN Investigators reached out to Austin Public Health for any current data they could provide on positive COVID-19 cases at local construction sites, and learned general contractors top the list of clusters for all industries in Travis County outside of nursing homes.

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21 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Quick glance at what industries are causing workplace related clusters in Travis:

KXAN Investigators reached out to Austin Public Health for any current data they could provide on positive COVID-19 cases at local construction sites, and learned general contractors top the list of clusters for all industries in Travis County outside of nursing homes.

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[Johnny Sack] Clearly, all of the guys working for contractors were out protesting. That's obvious. [/Johnny Sack]

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[surly cabal] Clearly, all of the guys working for contractors were muh freedoms guys. That's obvious. [/surly cabal]

 

Also true.

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Update from my hospital in Houston. We are opening up another ICU and downgrade unit for COVID patients. Currently our four ICUs are full. For the patients that are in our emergency center I've heard from nurses there that they are reaching out to hospitals in places like College Station and Huntsville to take our COVID ICU patients since we are out of space. I worked overtime this week to make up for how short staffed we are as nurses are starting to have symptoms of COVID and calling in. We are pulling nurses from downgrade floors to take our patients, which is super unsafe since they don't have ICU experience. We did stop elective procedures this week on my unit but I'm worried that these patients that aren't able to get cardiac caths done will eventually come in emergently after having a heart attack. We had several of these the first time we shut down elective procedures. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, whithou said:

Update from my hospital in Houston. We are opening up another ICU and downgrade unit for COVID patients. Currently our four ICUs are full. For the patients that are in our emergency center I've heard from nurses there that they are reaching out to hospitals in places like College Station and Huntsville to take our COVID ICU patients since we are out of space. I worked overtime this week to make up for how short staffed we are as nurses are starting to have symptoms of COVID and calling in. We are pulling nurses from downgrade floors to take our patients, which is super unsafe since they don't have ICU experience. We did stop elective procedures this week on my unit but I'm worried that these patients that aren't able to get cardiac caths done will eventually come in emergently after having a heart attack. We had several of these the first time we shut down elective procedures. 

 

 

you don't sound tanned, ready, and rested.

in all seriousness, that sounds like a mess. sending overflow to smaller communities (that are undoubtedly going to see a surge in cases IMO) seems like a recipe for disaster. what a fucking mess.

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42 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Quick glance at what industries are causing workplace related clusters in Travis:

KXAN Investigators reached out to Austin Public Health for any current data they could provide on positive COVID-19 cases at local construction sites, and learned general contractors top the list of clusters for all industries in Travis County outside of nursing homes.

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Am I reading that right and the total positive cases in all of those clusters is only 61? 

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1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

Am I reading that right and the total positive cases in all of those clusters is only 61? 

That's how I understood it, but it sounded like these are the only ones they'd been able to identify for that time period so tracing may be a challenge.

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18 hours ago, Lobo said:

Goy=Gentile?  I did not know that.  I'm glad they clarified that up because when I see an Alex Jones/Alt-Right protest, I immediately think "Where's Mordecai?"  

So poor, uneducated, naive, and Anti-Semitic?  

Goy is a Jewish word (Yiddish word) for Non-Jew.  It historically had a negative connotation for outsider, etc, and may still in secular Orthodox communities, but for the general Jewish population and outside it is generally not used (at least openly) because of the historically disparaging nature.  

I would identify myself as Goy to Jewish friends jokingly, and they could do the same, but if someone Jewish who you were not friendly with used the term toward you it would generally be meant disparagingly.  I would say using it is a fairly uncommon practice in the Reform/Conservative Jewish crowd.  They would just say "he/she is not Jewish" if that was the question.

For the protesters I am not sure why they would use it, but it comes across as a less joking appropriation, and for an anti-mask or anti-BLM protest it is a little off message.  If just Alt Right protest then maybe veiled antisemitism was intended.

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

If gyms and movie theaters were causing problems, they would have been included in the bar shutdown order.

We've went to the YMCA a few times, even took the kids swimming once, and they were far more vigilant and cleaner than walking into a grocery store.  We had to be masked up, had temperature checks at the door, and were spread out, and they cleaned everything as soon as we were done.

 

Yeah, our Y has its shit together.  

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15 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That's how I understood it, but it sounded like these are the only ones they'd been able to identify for that time period so tracing may be a challenge.

Or maybe they want to blame construction?

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So The NY Times has been a pretty good source of info. I like this page a lot https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html for its overall view of the country and the state breakdowns. The graphics are good too if you have anyone you are sending info to that might have trouble just looking at numbers.

So the other day I stumbled onto 2 really good articles that examine the probable “real” death toll from covid. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html focuses on the Unites States and breaks it down by state. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html attempts to tackle the question on a global level.

It’s some really interesting stuff if you are bored and have a little free time.

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8 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

Or maybe they want to blame construction?

They weren’t able to pull together the story about kids transmitting the virus via playground equipment in time.
 

So they ran with construction. 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/protest-over-bar-shutdown-scheduled-for-11-a-m-at-texas-state-capitol/

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Do something that could lead to an outbreak, to show that you are upset that your industry was penalized for contributing heavily to the current outbreak.

These organizers need to police themselves, and call out their fellow bars that were causing problems (the ones all over social media with no social distancing or masks), rather than bitch en masse.

I was informed protests did not lead to the Rona

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29 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

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11 out of 13 hospitals in the valley on divert


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Yeah we don’t mention it really ever on this thread, but the RGV is in bad shape. Anyone else hear they closed the beach in south padre? Nevermind, it’s just the county beaches. City beaches still open. Also stop putting ambulances in the beds.

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Fixed the south padre beach stuff

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8 minutes ago, justhookit said:

Yeah we don’t mention it really ever on this thread, but the RGV is in bad shape. Anyone else hear they closed the beach in south padre? Also stop putting ambulances in the beds.

I know Brownsville is asking for National Guard help to set up field hospitals. I have a cousin that works at a hospital in Harlingen, she says their ER got absolutely flooded with people with simple colds, coughs, fevers, basic flu that thought they had COVID. They are getting increasing amounts of critically ill COVID patients but the problem is being made worse by the panic.

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8 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I know Brownsville is asking for National Guard help to set up field hospitals. I have a cousin that works at a hospital in Harlingen, she says their ER got absolutely flooded with people with simple colds, coughs, fevers, basic flu that thought they had COVID. They are getting increasing amounts of critically ill COVID patients but the problem is being made worse by the panic.

Makes sense and I bet we see that same situation play out lots of places. 

 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If gyms and movie theaters were causing problems, they would have been included in the bar shutdown order.

We've went to the YMCA a few times, even took the kids swimming once, and they were far more vigilant and cleaner than walking into a grocery store.  We had to be masked up, had temperature checks at the door, and were spread out, and they cleaned everything as soon as we were done.

Look at the rise in restaurant credit card spending (which includes bars), and it correlates with the major outbreaks.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/26/this-chart-shows-the-link-between-restaurant-spending-and-new-coronavirus-cases.html

 

Some of those protest gatherings were pretty large and none adhered to the social distancing. The bars I have been to since opening have done a great job of isolating people.  It sucks that they’re being punished for others’ mistakes.  I guess that’s just the way things are though.  I would say gyms are probably cleaner now than ever before.  You don’t even have to worry about staph from how much they are spraying stuff down.  Makes you wonder why they weren’t doing it before actually.

 

Edit: JMO.  Not arguing.

Edited by Fondren & Main

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29 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

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11 out of 13 hospitals in the valley on divert


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so where do they divert to? i mean...it's the valley, it's not like they're surrounded by smaller bedroom communities with medical facilities...

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Some of those protest gatherings were pretty large and none adhered to the social distancing. The bars I have been to since opening have done a great job of isolating people.  It sucks that they’re being punished for others’ mistakes.  I guess that’s just the way things are though.  I would say gyms are probably cleaner now than ever before.  You don’t even have to worry about staph from how much they are spraying stuff down.  Makes you wonder why they weren’t doing it before actually.

 

Edit: JMO.  Not arguing.

 

Nm

 

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21 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I know Brownsville is asking for National Guard help to set up field hospitals. I have a cousin that works at a hospital in Harlingen, she says their ER got absolutely flooded with people with simple colds, coughs, fevers, basic flu that thought they had COVID. They are getting increasing amounts of critically ill COVID patients but the problem is being made worse by the panic.

Fred and Rita are from Harligen.  I forget how I'm kin to them.  Hope they're okay.

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Yeah, our Y has its shit together.  

3rd’d. Was kind of disgruntled it took them so long to open up their pools (by operation it requires one to be 2.5m from the nearest person in a chlorinated vat), but holy shit are they on the ball now. Very gruntled.

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1 hour ago, LebongJames said:

Or maybe they want to blame construction?

 

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

They weren’t able to pull together the story about kids transmitting the virus via playground equipment in time.
 

So they ran with construction. 

I'm guessing neither of y'all actually clicked to read/watch the story. APH provided them the available data that they had on work related clusters, not all of which were in construction.

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43 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I know Brownsville is asking for National Guard help to set up field hospitals. I have a cousin that works at a hospital in Harlingen, she says their ER got absolutely flooded with people with simple colds, coughs, fevers, basic flu that thought they had COVID. They are getting increasing amounts of critically ill COVID patients but the problem is being made worse by the panic.

This is troubling. 

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1 hour ago, rpspeed said:

I was informed protests did not lead to the Rona

Look, protests for causes you DO NOT support DO lead to Rona, and protests for causes you DO support DO NOT! 

Try and keep up!

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1 hour ago, gernblansten said:

Fred and Rita are from Harligen.  I forget how I'm kin to them.  Hope they're okay.

Check with Cousin David.  He always knows.  

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Some good news....

Only 280 new cases in Harris County today.  Down 70% from last Tuesday (944).  That should help drive Texas case numbers down, too, which appear to be dropping per Google.

Edit: also no deaths

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1 minute ago, htown85 said:

Some good news....

Only 280 new cases in Harris County today.  Down 70% from last Tuesday (944).  That should help drive Texas case numbers down, too, which appear to be dropping per Google.

6975 cases today in Texas.  First time over 6K. 

So....

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

6975 cases today in Texas.  First time over 6K. 

So....

Link?  I'm not disputing it, just wondering where to get data from.  If I google "Texas Coronavirus Cases" it shows a decline starting to occur.

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3 hours ago, whithou said:

Update from my hospital in Houston. We are opening up another ICU and downgrade unit for COVID patients. Currently our four ICUs are full. For the patients that are in our emergency center I've heard from nurses there that they are reaching out to hospitals in places like College Station and Huntsville to take our COVID ICU patients since we are out of space. I worked overtime this week to make up for how short staffed we are as nurses are starting to have symptoms of COVID and calling in. We are pulling nurses from downgrade floors to take our patients, which is super unsafe since they don't have ICU experience. We did stop elective procedures this week on my unit but I'm worried that these patients that aren't able to get cardiac caths done will eventually come in emergently after having a heart attack. We had several of these the first time we shut down elective procedures. 

 

 

Just curious, did y'all consider cross-training nurses to prepare for this? It seems like all the nurses and doctors knew there'd be a nursing shortage. 

Good luck and thank you!

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3 minutes ago, htown85 said:

Link?  I'm not disputing it, just wondering where to get data from.  If I google "Texas Coronavirus Cases" it shows a decline starting to occur.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200630/texas-breaks-previous-daily-record-with-nearly-7000-new-coronavirus-cases

And also

https://tabexternal.dshs.texas.gov/t/THD/views/COVIDExternalQC/COVIDTrends?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y

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601 confirmed cases in Dallas + 20 deaths.   No doubt those deaths are aggregated over the past few days (always seems to happen on Tuesdays) but still not good.  And case numbers don't seem to be part of a Tuesday dump anymore.  It's a new record number of cases but we've seen records basically set almost every day for the past week.

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Thanks.  Looks like there was a decline starting before today.  Makes it appear even worse in smaller counties since Harris had such a big drop.

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