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Sad times at MSU.
Time for more people to be forced out, because they won't resign.

David Harns is an MSU sports wonk, but he's been about holding the leadership responsible.
Here is his latest tweet - read the replies as well (especially Rachel Denhollander)

 

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Unbelievable dumbasses. Breathtaking stupidity. Almost like aggy.

Edited by Steel Shank
added aggy comment for full effect

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NPR podcast series about nassar: https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510326/believed

such a weird case where this guy had so many people convinced that his assaults were valid medical practices for girls.  Parents were in the room while their daughters were being assaulted.  Many of the victims didn’t even realize they were victims until he was on trial. They all feel under the false belief that the MSU And Gymnastics team doc had to be legitimate  

in many ways, MSU is more liable in this case than Penn St was with Sandusky.  MSU believed Nassar over many victims and they even agreed that nassar had to change his behavior because he opened them up to lawsuits.  But they never checked in to see if Nassar was following their recommendations to follow proper medical procedures.  Everyone just assumed he was doing so.

you would even think that a school would look at themselves after the penn st scandal and review previous complaints.  Instead MSU turned the other way to not know.

This is only a guess but I think penn st got worse coverage in their scandal because it was related to football and paterno.  However MSU looks to be more guilty in this case especially given their inaction and number of victims.  Scandals involving homosexual behavior also get more attention and condemnation.  Not saying people don’t care about men abusing girls, I just don’t think it gets the same attention.

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Everytime I think MSU's interim president can't say something more stupid, this guy comes through. 

 

"You’ve got people, they are hanging on and this has been … there are a lot of people who are touched by this, survivors who haven’t been in the spotlight," Engler told The News Friday. "In some ways, they have been able to deal with this better than the ones who’ve been in the spotlight who are still enjoying that moment at times, you know, the awards and recognition. And it’s ending. It’s almost done.”

MSU trustee: Engler's comments on Nassar victims 'ill advised

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34 minutes ago, Colonel Sanders said:

Everytime I think MSU's interim president can't say something more stupid, this guy comes through. 

 

"You’ve got people, they are hanging on and this has been … there are a lot of people who are touched by this, survivors who haven’t been in the spotlight," Engler told The News Friday. "In some ways, they have been able to deal with this better than the ones who’ve been in the spotlight who are still enjoying that moment at times, you know, the awards and recognition. And it’s ending. It’s almost done.”

MSU trustee: Engler's comments on Nassar victims 'ill advised

Yep. Absurd and ridiculous statement. There is some sentiment from some MSU alums that I know (not this one, or Wally I don't think) that some of the victims are enjoying the spotlight. The Rivals board in particular is pretty disgusting. But that said, if you're Engler - even if you are  a fucking pig and think this way - how about you just SHUT THE FUCK UP and say something nice to not make yourself and your school continue to look like shit? Fucking asshole. 

To boot, 3 new members of the Board of Trustees were sworn in this month (3 women, all Democrats, one a former sexual assault victim so you think they might get it). They voted on Wednesday for who the new Chair of the Board would be. It was Mossallam (very pro victim and anti Engler) vs. Dianne Byrum. She supported Mossallam in calling for Engler's ouster but she's the "old school" candidate, supported by asshole Joel Ferguson, Engler and Engler's puppet on the board Melanie Foster. 

Nope, the vote went Byrum's way. One of the new trustees backed Byrum and a guy who was in Mossallam's corner had to flip because in the event of a deadlock, the previous Vice Chair becomes the new Chair. That was Joel Ferguson. 

Fucking clown show continues. I hope the new President is some extreme feminist or some shit just to counteract all of the dumbassery. I don't even care if she hates sports. Time for the Board and the President to stop embarrassing me and the rest of our alums.  

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Jesus. “Enjoying the spotlight”???

What the fuck?

And how exactly would this tone deaf asshole know that the victims who aren’t in the public eye “doing better”?

Maybe they’re doing worse and hiding under their covers suffering from depression. Maybe they’re in denial. Maybe they’re just numb and going through the motions.

No one knows, ya cockmunch.

Thank god for the “publicity hounds” and “attention seekers”.

Without them, these craven motherfuckers might have been able to keep this whole disgusting and disgraceful episode in the dark.

I hope one of those women whomps him in the face with her ESPY.

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I'm not sure anyone really cares but for the sake of posterity, some follow up. New BoT chairperson Dianne Byrum actually created a Twitter account and tweeted today to clap back at Engler's dumbass comments. Even though she was the 'insider' (i.e. not what a sane person would want) candidate in the 2 person race for Board chair, I guess this is at least slightly encouraging.

The real question here is what to do with Engler. He's on his way out as they find a new President for sure. I'm of the mindset that it doesn't make any sense to fire him in the meantime. He's a nuisance but a temporary one and I fear a ship with no captain even more than a ship with a pig for a captain. If this were Congress I would probably be saying the opposite but Engler is for real on borrowed time. His job was to get the settlement done and ensure MSU didn't lose State funding. Job done. 

Anyway, here's Byrum's tweet. I do like Denhollander's response. She's pretty awesome. Maybe she could be interim President. 

 

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I have come to expect nothing from Engler, nothing but idiocy and statements that show how little he understands about how "this Nassar thing" impacts people's lives - with having virtually no expectation at all Engler still has found a way time and time again to find a new low in making public comments.

I was glad to see the BOT vote unanimously last week to create a new fund for the survivors of Nassar, to replace to one that Engler closed in December.
I have no doubt that the initial Trustee against the new fund was Joel "Turd" Ferguson - original author of the "this Nassar thing" comment.
https://statenews.com/article/2019/01/board-unanimously-approves-resolution-to-reopen-healing-assistance-fund

There has been so few steps forward by the Trustees, that is shocking. And if Byrum thinks that Engler doesn't speak for the BOT, then as Chairman I would think she should start the process to have him removed. Engler is an embarrassment to the University, and allowing him to continue as the Interim President is a stain on the BOT.

To touch on one of Baboon's points, Rachel Denhollander is one of the leading reasons that Nassar is behind bars, she was a driving force behind the Indianapolis newspaper investigation into allegations about Nassar and in the criminal investigations. She had nothing to gain from coming forward at the time that she did, but she was determined to push the process that Nassar had been able to avoid due to his recognition as a renowned sports doctor. Someone at MSU should be thanking her for her involvement rather than belittling her efforts.
The Nassar survivors that I know have started to move past this, however it is the comments made by Engler not Denhollander that rekindle their anger.

Sadly, it has become apparent to me, that MSU will not be able to move past this until Engler and the BOT is replaced, and even then we will have to wait to see how the new President and BOT address this stain on the University. 
 

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There is a huge difference between "enjoying the spotlight" and "using the spotlight" to advance the visibility of the problem, both specifically dealing with Nassar/MSU/USA Gymnastics and sexual assault more globally.   

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It's very temporary. I think you just put one of the college Deans in there or something until the committee has found the new permanent President. That's the key hire. You just need someone in there now who will keep their mouth shut. 

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MSU can't pay out settlements fast enough. Today they announce that Bob Young is no longer the University General Council. Young was hired by Interim President Engler, and signed to a contract through 6/1/2021 at $425,000/year guaranteed. So he gets over $1 million for leaving.

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2019/02/01/bob-young-out-michigan-states-general-counsel/2748653002/

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On Wednesday, the university released a U.S. Department of Education report that was highly critical of MSU's handling of sexual assault reports related to Nassar and campus-wide safety issues, saying the university's failures "may have posed an ongoing threat" to the campus community. 

The general counsel's office received the report in the middle of December, and as media outlets reported on the preliminary findings Wednesday, members of MSU Board of Trustees hadn't seen a copy.

Young sparred with William Forsyth — the former Kent County prosecutor who for several months led the Michigan Attorney General's Office investigation of MSU — over the release of university documents.

The two exchanged increasingly terse letters over two months, before the AG's Office sought a search warrant, which the university is still challenging. The central issue in their dispute was the university's assertion of attorney-client privilege and attorney work product privilege. 

Young told Forsyth that his pursuit of a waiver directly from MSU's Board of Trustees "brings shame upon you, the Attorney General and our legal profession that is expected to model and show respect for the Rule of Law."

Forsyth wrote back, telling Young, who served 18 years on the state Supreme Court, that he took the position that it's "shameful" to request a waiver of privilege due to Young's "lack of familiarity with the criminal investigatory process."

The good news not reported in the LSJ article, is that this is another person that MSU needed to get rid of as they were doing nothing to help the University move forward and improve how problems are handled and reported.

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Looks like that $500 million dollar settlement might only be the first tranche of damages for MSU.

There were about 330 women who were part of the settlement, now an additional 160 million women may have claims that are not covered by the terms of that settlement. Of that $500 million, $425 was designated for the first group and $75 for victims who would later come forward.
That would average out to $1.2 million for each in the first group, and $400,000 for the later. I'm thinking that their lawyers might not think that is an equitable amount.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2019/02/08/second-wave-nassar-survivors-fight-acknowledgement/2794436002/

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A couple of news items on the MSU front yesterday - hopefully the new President brings some changes to campus and MSU moves forward from what's happened there:

- MSU announced their new president yesterday - Samuel Stanley Jr, from Stony Brook
https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2019/05/28/samuel-stanley-michigan-state-president/1257742001/

 

- MSU also settled 2 Title IX lawsuits - a classic tale of she said/he said. Former MSU (and Houston Texan) WR Keith Mumphrey had a coed accuse him of sexual assault. She claimed to have been drunk and said no to having sex, he says she wasn't drunk and initiated having sex but got pissed because he insisted on using a condom. No criminal charges were filed, but she filed a complaint and the school (allegedly) mishandled the investigation, found Mumphrey guilty, banned him from campus, which got him released by the Texans and made it so he couldn't finish his coursework for his degree. She also filed a separate lawsuit that I've seen reported was settled, where she claimed MSU allowed Mumphrey back on campus even while banned.
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2019/05/29/keith-mumphery-michigan-state-houston-texans/1245983001/

 

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On 3/27/2018 at 7:05 AM, Wally Fairway said:

I feel compelled to update

William Strampel, former Dean of the College of Osteopathic Medicine and Larry Nassar's boss, was arrested yesterday. They have not released the charges, but have confirmed that he is in the county jail.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/26/larry-nassar-william-strampel-arrest/460785002/

I will try not to rehash old items, but I will also try not to brush anything away either.

 

On 3/27/2018 at 10:38 AM, Wally Fairway said:

There is more to Strampels arrest story - the Detroit New, the other local fish wrap is reporting 4th degree sexual misconduct (not sure what that is) and that porn and videos of Nassar treatments were found on his computer.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/26/william-strampel-arrest-larry-nassar-msu/33310095/

It should be noted that a year ago there were hundreds of videos on youtube that showed Nassar performing various diagnostics and treatments. IMO this was all part of his cover that he used to hide his sexual assaults.

Strampel gets a year. Could've gotten as much as five.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27340567/ex-msu-dean-gets-jail-neglect-misconduct

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LANSING, Mich. -- A former Michigan State University dean with oversight of now-imprisoned sports doctor Larry Nassar was ordered Wednesday to serve up to a year in jail after being convicted of neglect of duty and misconduct in office that stemmed from a charge he sexually harassed students.

William Strampel learned his fate during a hearing in a Lansing courtroom, nearly two months after the College of Osteopathic Medicine's ex-dean was convicted of those charges. He was acquitted of the more serious criminal sexual conduct charge.

Strampel, 71, faced up to five years in prison on the felony misconduct conviction, resulting from accusations he used his public office to sexually harass, demean and proposition students who met with him to discuss academic issues.

He also was convicted of willfully neglecting a duty to monitor Nassar after protocols were put in place requiring that a third person be present in the exam room for sensitive procedures and limiting skin-to-skin contact -- misdemeanors punishable by up to a year in prison.

Defense attorney John Dakmak recommended probation, citing concerns about his client's health and service to the school, state and nation. Dakmak said Strampel was tough on students but rooted "for the underdog," and his time leading the medical school included increasing admission of women and their faculty participation.

Strampel spoke only briefly, saying he did not want to drag out the proceedings.

"The jury has spoken and we're not hiding from that," Dakmak said. "We understand he has been found guilty. To answer for that doesn't mean we disregard a life ... of service."

During Strampel's trial, multiple former medical students testified about sexual comments and innuendo he made during one-on-one meetings -- saying they did not report the inappropriate behavior because of the power he had over their futures in medicine. They accused him of staring at their breasts. Women who worked as model patients during exams also testified about unprofessional and sexual comments.

Investigators said Strampel's work computer contained photos of nude and semi-nude young women with Michigan State logo piercings or clothing.

Student Leah Jackson told the court Wednesday that Strampel made sexually suggestive remarks during their first meeting.

"Why was he so confident he could get away with it?" Jackson said. "It makes me wonder how many other people he had done this to. He was supposed to protect us and he chose to betray us."

Strampel was the first person charged after Michigan's attorney general launched an investigation in 2017 into how Michigan State handled complaints against Nassar, who pleaded guilty to molesting patients and possessing child pornography.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a statement she appreciated the court's "commitment to ensuring justice in this case was served."

"While Mr. Strampel's sentence will never give back the years of pain and suffering his victims had to endure, the persistence of these courageous survivors made certain that he could no longer hide behind the title he once held to escape the reach of justice," Nessel said.

 

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On 3/27/2018 at 7:05 AM, Wally Fairway said:

I feel compelled to update

William Strampel, former Dean of the College of Osteopathic Medicine and Larry Nassar's boss, was arrested yesterday. They have not released the charges, but have confirmed that he is in the county jail.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/26/larry-nassar-william-strampel-arrest/460785002/

I will try not to rehash old items, but I will also try not to brush anything away either.

 

On 3/27/2018 at 10:38 AM, Wally Fairway said:

There is more to Strampels arrest story - the Detroit New, the other local fish wrap is reporting 4th degree sexual misconduct (not sure what that is) and that porn and videos of Nassar treatments were found on his computer.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/26/william-strampel-arrest-larry-nassar-msu/33310095/

It should be noted that a year ago there were hundreds of videos on youtube that showed Nassar performing various diagnostics and treatments. IMO this was all part of his cover that he used to hide his sexual assaults.

Strampel gets a year. Could've gotten as much as five.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27340567/ex-msu-dean-gets-jail-neglect-misconduct

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LANSING, Mich. -- A former Michigan State University dean with oversight of now-imprisoned sports doctor Larry Nassar was ordered Wednesday to serve up to a year in jail after being convicted of neglect of duty and misconduct in office that stemmed from a charge he sexually harassed students.

William Strampel learned his fate during a hearing in a Lansing courtroom, nearly two months after the College of Osteopathic Medicine's ex-dean was convicted of those charges. He was acquitted of the more serious criminal sexual conduct charge.

Strampel, 71, faced up to five years in prison on the felony misconduct conviction, resulting from accusations he used his public office to sexually harass, demean and proposition students who met with him to discuss academic issues.

He also was convicted of willfully neglecting a duty to monitor Nassar after protocols were put in place requiring that a third person be present in the exam room for sensitive procedures and limiting skin-to-skin contact -- misdemeanors punishable by up to a year in prison.

Defense attorney John Dakmak recommended probation, citing concerns about his client's health and service to the school, state and nation. Dakmak said Strampel was tough on students but rooted "for the underdog," and his time leading the medical school included increasing admission of women and their faculty participation.

Strampel spoke only briefly, saying he did not want to drag out the proceedings.

"The jury has spoken and we're not hiding from that," Dakmak said. "We understand he has been found guilty. To answer for that doesn't mean we disregard a life ... of service."

During Strampel's trial, multiple former medical students testified about sexual comments and innuendo he made during one-on-one meetings -- saying they did not report the inappropriate behavior because of the power he had over their futures in medicine. They accused him of staring at their breasts. Women who worked as model patients during exams also testified about unprofessional and sexual comments.

Investigators said Strampel's work computer contained photos of nude and semi-nude young women with Michigan State logo piercings or clothing.

Student Leah Jackson told the court Wednesday that Strampel made sexually suggestive remarks during their first meeting.

"Why was he so confident he could get away with it?" Jackson said. "It makes me wonder how many other people he had done this to. He was supposed to protect us and he chose to betray us."

Strampel was the first person charged after Michigan's attorney general launched an investigation in 2017 into how Michigan State handled complaints against Nassar, who pleaded guilty to molesting patients and possessing child pornography.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a statement she appreciated the court's "commitment to ensuring justice in this case was served."

"While Mr. Strampel's sentence will never give back the years of pain and suffering his victims had to endure, the persistence of these courageous survivors made certain that he could no longer hide behind the title he once held to escape the reach of justice," Nessel said.

 

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On 3/27/2018 at 7:05 AM, Wally Fairway said:

I feel compelled to update

William Strampel, former Dean of the College of Osteopathic Medicine and Larry Nassar's boss, was arrested yesterday. They have not released the charges, but have confirmed that he is in the county jail.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/26/larry-nassar-william-strampel-arrest/460785002/

I will try not to rehash old items, but I will also try not to brush anything away either.

 

On 3/27/2018 at 10:38 AM, Wally Fairway said:

There is more to Strampels arrest story - the Detroit New, the other local fish wrap is reporting 4th degree sexual misconduct (not sure what that is) and that porn and videos of Nassar treatments were found on his computer.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/26/william-strampel-arrest-larry-nassar-msu/33310095/

It should be noted that a year ago there were hundreds of videos on youtube that showed Nassar performing various diagnostics and treatments. IMO this was all part of his cover that he used to hide his sexual assaults.

Strampel gets a year. Could've gotten as much as five.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27340567/ex-msu-dean-gets-jail-neglect-misconduct

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LANSING, Mich. -- A former Michigan State University dean with oversight of now-imprisoned sports doctor Larry Nassar was ordered Wednesday to serve up to a year in jail after being convicted of neglect of duty and misconduct in office that stemmed from a charge he sexually harassed students.

William Strampel learned his fate during a hearing in a Lansing courtroom, nearly two months after the College of Osteopathic Medicine's ex-dean was convicted of those charges. He was acquitted of the more serious criminal sexual conduct charge.

Strampel, 71, faced up to five years in prison on the felony misconduct conviction, resulting from accusations he used his public office to sexually harass, demean and proposition students who met with him to discuss academic issues.

He also was convicted of willfully neglecting a duty to monitor Nassar after protocols were put in place requiring that a third person be present in the exam room for sensitive procedures and limiting skin-to-skin contact -- misdemeanors punishable by up to a year in prison.

Defense attorney John Dakmak recommended probation, citing concerns about his client's health and service to the school, state and nation. Dakmak said Strampel was tough on students but rooted "for the underdog," and his time leading the medical school included increasing admission of women and their faculty participation.

Strampel spoke only briefly, saying he did not want to drag out the proceedings.

"The jury has spoken and we're not hiding from that," Dakmak said. "We understand he has been found guilty. To answer for that doesn't mean we disregard a life ... of service."

During Strampel's trial, multiple former medical students testified about sexual comments and innuendo he made during one-on-one meetings -- saying they did not report the inappropriate behavior because of the power he had over their futures in medicine. They accused him of staring at their breasts. Women who worked as model patients during exams also testified about unprofessional and sexual comments.

Investigators said Strampel's work computer contained photos of nude and semi-nude young women with Michigan State logo piercings or clothing.

Student Leah Jackson told the court Wednesday that Strampel made sexually suggestive remarks during their first meeting.

"Why was he so confident he could get away with it?" Jackson said. "It makes me wonder how many other people he had done this to. He was supposed to protect us and he chose to betray us."

Strampel was the first person charged after Michigan's attorney general launched an investigation in 2017 into how Michigan State handled complaints against Nassar, who pleaded guilty to molesting patients and possessing child pornography.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a statement she appreciated the court's "commitment to ensuring justice in this case was served."

"While Mr. Strampel's sentence will never give back the years of pain and suffering his victims had to endure, the persistence of these courageous survivors made certain that he could no longer hide behind the title he once held to escape the reach of justice," Nessel said.

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42 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

You can say that again.

Ha. There was a glitch in the system!

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22 hours ago, C-Man said:

Thanks

Thanks

Thanks

I've heard that he went directly to jail, he did not pass go, he did not collect $200.
As much as I think that he deserves more that 1 year, most for his own acts plus for covering Nassar. From what I've heard he will have a much more difficult time staying in the local lockup than he would at a prison. 
I'm a believer in people reforming, but this guy deserves what he got plus 10 years. He didn't create the monster that is Larry Nassar, but he could have stopped him long before Rachel Denhollender came into the picture. 

On a side note, the former MSU Womens Gymnastics coach had pretrial hearings and her attorneys asked for the judge to dismiss the case. Yesterday she was held over for her trial; again she had athletes come to her years ago and she did nothing to report it or investigate the information.
https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2019/08/07/kathie-klages-larry-nassar-msu-michigan-state-gymnastics/1933902001/

 

Next up US Olympic coach and owner of the local gymnastics gym and competition team - John Geddert, there was a settlement earlier this year with insurance
https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/26596680/gymnastics-club-settles-nassar-suit-21m

 

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14 hours ago, Genco said:

Klages Found Guilty

The video accompanying the article is worth the 8 minutes of your time.

Hope she gets the sentence she deserves, as she may have been one of the first people in a position of authority who was notified and should have reported Nassar. Who knows, but it could be that his reign of terror was stopped a decade earlier.

And on the news front, and not good news in this case.

William Strampel is set to be released from jail earlier than serving his full sentence.

https://www.wilx.com/content/news/Former-MSU-Dean-William-Strampel-to-be-released-from-jail-early-567442701.html
 

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INGHAM COUNTY, MI (WILX) -- Former Michigan State University dean William Strampel is set to be released from jail early.

Strampel is set to be released from the Ingham County Jail on April 3, 2020, after serving eight months of the one year sentence he was given last summer.

 

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Posted (edited)

Damn.  Not dead yet.  This will be like the Sandusky thread anytime somebody bumps it.

Edited by conVINCEd

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1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Athlete A on Netflix. Watch it. It is infuriating.

It's a brutal watch. There was an entire organized system of abuse around fucking US Gymnastics. Fuck all of them, every single person involved except the poor female children subjected to that fucking torture.

Edited by BurntEyes

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