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12 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

I'm praying for no Baker penalties this game. 

Can you pray for me to win the lottery even though I never buy tickets? Bout as much a chance of that happening as Baker playing a clean game. 

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There's a billion nuances to OL play that I don't understand. There's targeting shoulders with hand placement, reading slants, passing loopers off to teammates, etc, etc. It's a highly technical arena.

However, it starts with being connected to the playing surface. The ground. Building a strong, solid base with your feet, keeping your body mass positioned over that base, and firing your power up from the Earth, through your legs, torso, arms and into your opponent. An OL who's off his feet is just a projectile. He's less than useless, because he's going to trip his own team.

If you were going to draw the best OL player ever, you'd draw Conor Stroh. Massive. The right height. Strong. Everything ready to dominate!

But he won't get his butt down! He plays high, standing straight up and down. He leans over his feet. With his body mass now high in the air and away from his base, a grandma could pull him over. He's beaten by physics. None of the other techniques or attributes are worth mentioning, because he won't stay connected to the ground. 

This is killing me to say, because all the potential in the world is right there. Maybe get him paired with a Sumo master for a week or two. Get the feel for what a strong base is and how to use it when an opponent tries to disrupt it. Learn it, and let me see what all that power can do. Otherwise, he's unplayable.

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3 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

CJ on Sark about Neto

 

That makes sense, because Stroh is the most consistent player on the team. You know what you are going to get every single time, so Sark can game plan around playing 10 vs. 11.

 

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2 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

CJ on Sark about Neto

 

I realize this is oversimplifying it, but if I hire someone and four years into his career I’ve been unable to improve his performance sufficient that he’s capable of filling the role, I’m going to put some of that blame on myself.  

Either I fucked up the hire or I did a bad job of training.  

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7 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

If only we had an OL coach 

Well, we have a Co-OC for Run Game, so it's no surprise that we can't pass block, either. Maybe we should blame the Co-OC for Pass Game?

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40 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

CJ on Sark about Neto

 

Sounds like Neto doesn’t want to be consistent about rolling around on the ground on top of Stroh which seems to be consistently happening on every fucking play. 

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Just for the record, I feel like the histrionics that surround losing (“fire everyone!!!!!!”) aren’t particularly productive or rational (not that they need to be, we’re fans).  
 

That said, I think it should be pretty standard to look to upgrade over your worst performing unit every year with new management.  In this regard, Flood looks a whole lot more like McWhorter than someone we need to making excuses for.  
 

Also, if Banks can’t coach better discipline from the punt team and the punt returner (and it’s not like TE play is exemplary) then it’s time to upgrade there, too.  

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That makes sense, because Stroh is the most consistent player on the team. You know what you are going to get every single time, so Sark can game plan around playing 10 vs. 11.
 
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11 hours ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

There's a billion nuances to OL play that I don't understand. There's targeting shoulders with hand placement, reading slants, passing loopers off to teammates, etc, etc. It's a highly technical arena.

However, it starts with being connected to the playing surface. The ground. Building a strong, solid base with your feet, keeping your body mass positioned over that base, and firing your power up from the Earth, through your legs, torso, arms and into your opponent. An OL who's off his feet is just a projectile. He's less than useless, because he's going to trip his own team.

If you were going to draw the best OL player ever, you'd draw Conor Stroh. Massive. The right height. Strong. Everything ready to dominate!

But he won't get his butt down! He plays high, standing straight up and down. He leans over his feet. With his body mass now high in the air and away from his base, a grandma could pull him over. He's beaten by physics. None of the other techniques or attributes are worth mentioning, because he won't stay connected to the ground. 

This is killing me to say, because all the potential in the world is right there. Maybe get him paired with a Sumo master for a week or two. Get the feel for what a strong base is and how to use it when an opponent tries to disrupt it. Learn it, and let me see what all that power can do. Otherwise, he's unplayable.

You might say he's a raw boned rangy kid with a huge head, tree trunk neck, wide shoulders, and feet the size of kayaks.

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4 hours ago, TotallyLegit said:

You might say he's a raw boned rangy kid with a huge head, tree trunk neck, wide shoulders, and feet the size of kayaks.

Def a WNB if ever there was one. 

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21 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

CJ on Sark about Neto

 

Sark says this about every offensive player.  He rather a guy be JAG to trash as long as he's consistent at it.  How does this jive with them throwing in a freshman tackle in Brooks at LG.  You don't have a player starting at a position all off season then magically lose his spot to another player who clearly isn't ready or cabable of playing in Stroh right before the season start. 

 

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2 minutes ago, GTJ1982 said:

Sark says this about every offensive player.  He rather a guy be JAG to trash as long as he's consistent at it.  How does this jive with them throwing in a freshman tackle in Brooks at LG.  You don't have a player starting at a position all off season then magically lose his spot to another player who clearly isn't ready or cabable of playing in Stroh right before the season start. 

 

yes, this is coach speak BS. Maybe 2 OL have been consistent this year (Campbell and Goosby). Sark is pissing on CJ's head and Cj thinkings it is raining. 

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"Not being consistent" implies that Neto can play at a decent level at least some of the time, which bares out with what my eyes have seen. Being relegated to third-team after being the assumed starter the entire offseason makes no sense. 

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On 10/9/2025 at 10:37 AM, GoldAppleCorps said:

There's a billion nuances to OL play that I don't understand. There's targeting shoulders with hand placement, reading slants, passing loopers off to teammates, etc, etc. It's a highly technical arena.

However, it starts with being connected to the playing surface. The ground. Building a strong, solid base with your feet, keeping your body mass positioned over that base, and firing your power up from the Earth, through your legs, torso, arms and into your opponent. An OL who's off his feet is just a projectile. He's less than useless, because he's going to trip his own team.

If you were going to draw the best OL player ever, you'd draw Conor Stroh. Massive. The right height. Strong. Everything ready to dominate!

But he won't get his butt down! He plays high, standing straight up and down. He leans over his feet. With his body mass now high in the air and away from his base, a grandma could pull him over. He's beaten by physics. None of the other techniques or attributes are worth mentioning, because he won't stay connected to the ground. 

This is killing me to say, because all the potential in the world is right there. Maybe get him paired with a Sumo master for a week or two. Get the feel for what a strong base is and how to use it when an opponent tries to disrupt it. Learn it, and let me see what all that power can do. Otherwise, he's unplayable.

Yep. You're describing that "athletic" thing that the youtube film guy was talking about earlier in the thread. It's interesting that you say he's "beaten" by physics, when there's guys that are (basically) Stroh's size all over the NFL. Their genetics and/or baseline athleticism "beats" physics right back. NFL O linemen are routinely 6'5 - 6'7, but, very few of them are unable to squat down and play/move from that squat position. If he can't do it, it's not necessarily something that can be learned at this age, imo. It is much easier to move a 6'0, 250 lb high school defensive tackle than a 6'3 - 300 lb *athletic* defensive lineman that has the strength and quickness to avoid his hands and rip through a shoulder. Being able to move your feet, while holding strength in the legs, is absolutely crucial. I'm not sure all the potential in the world is there. He's like a baseball player with 2/5 tools. He has *some* potential, but not sure it's enough. He needs flexibility (is the body able to squat down and stay there?), and athleticism (can he do so quickly and powerfully?). Being big is a baseline. I'd gladly take a 6'3" guard if he could stop the man in front of him. 

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4 minutes ago, BurdineBandit said:

Yep. You're describing that "athletic" thing that the youtube film guy was talking about earlier in the thread. It's interesting that you say he's "beaten" by physics, when there's guys that are (basically) Stroh's size all over the NFL. Their genetics and/or baseline athleticism "beats" physics right back. NFL O linemen are routinely 6'5 - 6'7, but, very few of them are unable to squat down and play/move from that squat position. If he can't do it, it's not necessarily something that can be learned at this age, imo. It is much easier to move a 6'0, 250 lb high school defensive tackle than a 6'3 - 300 lb *athletic* defensive lineman that has the strength and quickness to avoid his hands and rip through a shoulder. Being able to move your feet, while holding strength in the legs, is absolutely crucial. I'm not sure all the potential in the world is there. He's like a baseball player with 2/5 tools. He has *some* potential, but not sure it's enough. He needs flexibility (is the body able to squat down and stay there?), and athleticism (can he do so quickly and powerfully?). Being big is a baseline. I'd gladly take a 6'3" guard if he could stop the man in front of him. 

The best OL in the Sark era was Banks, who many would consider an undersized OT. He was very athletic though. 

HT: 6051 (43rd percentile)

WT: 315 (56th percentile)

Arm: 33 1/2 (26th percentile)

Hand: 10 3/8 (74th percentile)

 

 

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