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21 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Correct answer is Jan 1, 1991 Cottonbowl.

 

20 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That motherfucker was cold.

SONOFA....I was there.  Freezing.  And on crutches.

That was in the early stages of my relationship with my now-wife.  My, umm, unhappy/belligerent behavior at that game almost made that the final stage of our relationship.

Thanks for bringing it up, asshole.

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so, wait. they are doubling down on this. 

i wish i wasn't in the office today. SHS daily press briefing is going to be harsh AF.  we already know her answers are going to be "no comment" in nature. but her complicity is now laid bare, and everything that comedian said about her is proven true. she's a stone cold LIAR.

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TFW trump tweets that stormy daniels extorted him and turns her previously weak defamation claim into a slam dunk because he accused her of a crime so no damages need to be proved to bring the suit and avenatti will be entitled to depose trump under oath

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1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

so, wait. they are doubling down on this. 

i wish i wasn't in the office today. SHS daily press briefing is going to be harsh AF.  we already know her answers are going to be "no comment" in nature. but her complicity is now laid bare, and everything that comedian said about her is proven true. she's a stone cold LIAR.

What comedian?

Kinda joking. 

Seiously though, that outrage lasted not even a full news cycle. Any sympathy for SHS is long gone.  Hope she enjoyed it. 

And Rudy’s new claims sound so half baked. He’s like a new lawyer on the case who just comes up with a new theory that contradicts everything said in the past, and the whole team has bought in. This is the new message they’re going with. Hell, Hannity wasn’t even in on it, that’s how half cocked it is. 

Gonna be fun watching the story slowly fall apart into illegality. 

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

TFW trump tweets that stormy daniels extorted him and turns her previously weak defamation claim into a slam dunk because he accused her of a crime so no damages need to be proved to bring the suit and avenatti will be entitled to depose trump under oath

No so clear cut.  There are a lot of cases where someone says “he’s a total thief” or some such and the courts refuse to say that is necessarily an accusation of a crime. Lay people can use legal sounding words in lay ways. 

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2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s looking pretty obvious Trump is a sex addict with money, who thought he could buy whatever he wanted, when he wanted it, and no one would know, as long as he had Cohen to cover the stink up. Can’t believe he thought he would get away with people not finding out in today’s 24 hour cable news life. And of course the lies to cover it up keep pilling higher and higher and the rope tighter and tighter. He’s starting to forget what’s lies he’s already said before he says the next lie.

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1 minute ago, Jive Turkey said:

What comedian?

Kinda joking. 

Seiously though, that outrage lasted not even a full news cycle. Any sympathy for SHS is long gone.  Hope she enjoyed it. 

And Rudy’s new claims sound so half baked. He’s like a new lawyer on the case who just comes up with a new theory that contradicts everything said in the past, and the whole team has bought in. This is the new message they’re going with. Hell, Hannity wasn’t even in on it, that’s how half cocked it is. 

Gonna be fun watching the story slowly fall apart into illegality. 

can you imagine being in avenatti's role in this drama? his opponent keeps undermining himself over and over and over again. it's got to be surreal as an attorney to encounter such ineptitude in your opponent. 

i think the one truth we can take away here is that all trump knows are tactics. he has no notion AT ALL on strategy. NONE. he's a boxer with a haymaker and that's it. that's all he knows.

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8 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

so, wait. they are doubling down on this. 

i wish i wasn't in the office today. SHS daily press briefing is going to be harsh AF.  we already know her answers are going to be "no comment" in nature. but her complicity is now laid bare, and everything that comedian said about her is proven true. she's a stone cold LIAR.

SHS will give it her best “I told you the information that I was told” but then refuse to answer any questions whether she has asked the president follow up questions since then or today. 

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

SHS will give it her best “I told you the information that I was told” but then refuse to answer any questions whether she has asked the president follow up questions since then or today. 

you would expect that, at some point, some semblance of self-respect would seep into her consciousness and she would just not be able to take it any more. but none of these people seem to have any self-respect. they are worse than the kardashian clan.

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1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

you would expect that, at some point, some semblance of self-respect would seep into her consciousness and she would just not be able to take it any more. but none of these people seem to have any self-respect. they are worse than the kardashian clan.

It’d be awesome if she went out in a blaze of glory.  “Why’d I say that? Well, because my boss lies about stupid shit and it’s my job to repeat those. Peace.”

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18 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

No so clear cut.  There are a lot of cases where someone says “he’s a total thief” or some such and the courts refuse to say that is necessarily an accusation of a crime. Lay people can use legal sounding words in lay ways. 

I wouldn't say that the chief executive is a lay person though. If the president accuses someone of a crime that generally carries repercussions right?

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23 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

you would expect that, at some point, some semblance of self-respect would seep into her consciousness and she would just not be able to take it any more. but none of these people seem to have any self-respect. they are worse than the kardashian clan.

Absolutely.  As SHS is continually discovered to be lying (perhaps inadvertently at times) it begs the question why any comment of hers should be taken as truth?

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17 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Absolutely.  As SHS is continually discovered to be lying (perhaps inadvertently at times) it begs the question why any comment of hers should be taken as truth?

Is there someone out there, on either side, who believes anything she says?  I figured at this point we all knew it was all smoke and mirrors.

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4 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Is there someone out there, on either side, who believes anything she says?  I figured at this point we all knew it was all smoke and mirrors.

My sister in law rants and raves every time we visit with her about how great SHS is and how she stands up to "that media". I am 100% sure she still believes everything SHS says.

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Just now, TornACL said:

My sister in law rants and raves every time we visit with her about how great SHS is and how she stands up to "that media". I am 100% sure she still believes everything SHS says.

Yeah.  Every day I wake up with hope in Americans, and every day it gets dashed.  Mainly, because I know my people.  Many among them are idiots. 

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4 minutes ago, TornACL said:

My sister in law rants and raves every time we visit with her about how great SHS is and how she stands up to "that media". I am 100% sure she still believes everything SHS says.

Uhg my future in laws fall into this camp. "I just admire her so much for going out and doing that hard job everyday" like bitch maybe the first time she had to defend a lie, sure. But when she's saying contradictory things and adamantly arguing her story never changed...

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1 hour ago, Brandywine said:

It’s looking pretty obvious Trump is a sex addict with money, who thought he could buy whatever he wanted, when he wanted it, and no one would know, as long as he had Cohen to cover the stink up. Can’t believe he thought he would get away with people not finding out in today’s 24 hour cable news life. And of course the lies to cover it up keep pilling higher and higher and the rope tighter and tighter. He’s starting to forget what’s lies he’s already said before he says the next lie.

But he did get away with it - he won the election to the nation’s highest elected office, and many of the idiots who voted for him in 2016 would still vote for him in 2020. He won’t be going to jail over his adultery either. 

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44 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

I get that. Divine intervention seems to be the only hope since no humans that can do anything about the situation will act. People turn to whatever hope they can find when things are at the worst. 

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33 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

amazing isn't it?

All that matters is our division + the faux ideal that people still hold onto 

Actual things all exist - and us posting them, saying them, doesn't matter. its all pointless. no one who needs to listen is listening

you don't HEAR JIMI

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31 must-read quotes from Giuliani's Stormy Daniels media blitz

can't stop laughing at some of these.  reminds me of the fucking insane, crazy uncle with dementia....and Guiliani's on the campaign trail.
 

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1. On Trump’s reimbursement of Cohen: “Having something to do with paying some Stormy Daniels woman $130,000, which, I mean, is going to turn out to be perfectly legal. That money was not campaign money. Sorry. I'm giving you a fact now that you don't know. It's not campaign money. No campaign finance violation. … They funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. … Everybody was nervous about this from the very beginning. I wasn’t. I knew how much money Donald Trump put into that campaign. I said, ‘$130,000?’ You're going to do a couple of checks for $130,000. When I heard Cohen's retainer of $35,000, when he was doing no work for the president, I said, ‘Well that’s how he’s repaying it — with a little profit and a little margin for paying taxes for Michael.”

2. On how much the president knew about Cohen’s payment to Daniels: “He didn't know about the specifics of it, as far as I know, but he did know about the general arrangement — that Michael would take care of things like this, like I take care of things like this for my clients. I don't burden them with every single thing that comes along. These are busy people.”

3. On potential campaign finance violations: “I was talking about the $130,000 payment. The settlement payment. Which is a very regular thing for lawyers to do. The question there was, the only possible violation there would be, ‘Was it a campaign finance violation?’ Which usually would result in a fine, by the way — Not this big stormtroopers coming in and breaking down his apartment and breaking down his office. That was money that was paid by his lawyer, the way I would do, out of his law firm funds, or whatever funds. It doesn’t matter. The president reimbursed that over the period of several months.”

4. On whether Cohen acted alone: “I don't know, I haven't investigated that, no reason to dispute that, no reason to dispute his recollection. I like Michael a lot, you like Michael a lot. I feel very bad he's been victimized like this. The president feels even worse. The fact is, just trust me they're going to come up with no violations there. … The payments are perfectly legal. … All documented.”

5. On why the president fired former FBI Director James Comey: “He fired Comey because Comey would not, among other things, say that he wasn't a target of the investigation. He is entitled that. Hillary Clinton got that, and he couldn't get that. So he fired him and he said, ‘I'm free of this guy.’ And he went on [NBC Nightly News with] Lester Holt. Lester Holt's interview was as good as anybody could do, better than I think any of the people around Mueller could have done. He asked him, ‘Why did you do it?’ He said, ‘I did it because I felt that I had to explain to the American people their president was not the target of the investigation.’”

6. On the possibility of the special counsel investigating Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner: “I think I would get on my charger and go right into their offices with a lance if they go after Ivanka. … Now, I think if they do do Ivanka, which I doubt they will, the whole country will turn on them. They’re going after his daughter? … Jared is a fine man, you know that. But men are, you know, disposable. But a fine woman like Ivanka? Come on.”

7. On when the president was told about the payments: “He wasn’t since it was somewhere between 10 and five days before the election. And he wasn’t told. But even if he was told, he wouldn’t have remembered it, like I wouldn’t have remembered it. When, when he paid out of his own personal funds — and if you listen to Cohen’s statement, it was very careful, he said, ‘I wasn’t paid from the campaign and I wasn’t paid from the Trump Organization.’ Absolutely true. He was paid by Donald Trump’s personal funds. And he was paid out of personal funds, which covered that, and possibly a few other things that, you know, would be considered incidental. This is not the kind of money that you would absolutely think of as the settlement of some kind of substantial case. It’d be more the kind of money that you’d think of to be used to pay for a harassment case, which is the way they always thought of this. They never thought of it as true. And I don’t think it’s true. And I’m absolutely positive it’s not true.”

8. On when the payments were made: “Well, the original payment from Cohen was sometime right before the election. The repayments took place over a period of time, probably in 2017, probably all paid back by the end of 2017. That and probably a few other situations that might have been considered campaign expenses.”

9. On how the payments were were structured: “Don’t know. Don’t know. Actually, I think probably in 2018. They were paid in the personal funds because they never considered this a campaign payment. This was considered more a harassment case.”

10. On when Trump first learned Cohen made the payment to Daniels on Trump’s behalf: “I don’t know if he distinguished it from other things Cohen might have done for him during the campaign. I don’t know that; I don’t know that he distinguished it from other expenses that Cohen had for which he had to be reimbursed. He trusted Michael and Michael trusted him. Michael knew when he laid out the $135,000 he’d get it back and the president was always going to make sure he got it back — and enough money to pay the taxes.”

11. On when the president realized the payments to Cohen were going to Daniels: “Don’t know that. Probably now, when I told him.”

12. On how many payments it took Trump to reimburse Cohen: “Do the arithmetic, right? $35,000 a month, probably starting in January or February. By the time you get to $250,000, it’s all paid off. Remember, he also paid for the taxes. Then there probably were other things of a personal nature that Michael took care of, for which the president would have always trusted him as his lawyer, as my clients do with me. And that was paid back out of the rest of the money. And Michael earned a fee out of it.”

13. On whether cloaking Trump’s payments as retainers creates a legal risk: "No, I don’t think so. A retainer can be used by a lawyer for many purposes. I don’t even know if Michael used some of Trump’s money beforehand to pay. I can’t tell you that when he made the payment [of $130,000], that some of that wasn’t already out of the money that Donald was paying him then."

14. On why Giuliani revealed Trump repaid Cohen for the payments: “I want them to know, 'Don’t chase.' We spend so much time chasing windmills here. This is chasing windmills. I also think, personally, neither one of them saw it as a campaign thing; they thought of it as a personal thing. Personal reputation, family, wife, harassment charge. She doesn’t want a lot of money? Pay her. Let her go away. Follow me?”

15. On whether it is appropriate for special counsel Robert Mueller to ask Trump about Cohen, Daniels and the payments in an interview: “No. That’s not even on the table. But we have got to get this over with all at once. That’s not Mueller’s problem. He punted to the Southern District of New York, but we can’t punt. We’ve got to get it over with. We can’t have the president, you know, sit for an interview and have these other allegations sitting out there unresolved. This could go on for two or three years if we don’t bring it to a head.”

16. On whether Trump was aware Giuliani would reveal Trump’s reimbursement of Cohen: “Oh, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure. He was well aware that at some point when I saw the opportunity, I was going to get this over with.”

17. On whether Giuliani thinks he will be fired for revealing the president’s involvement: “No, no, no! I’m not going to get fired (laughs). But if I do, I do. It wouldn’t be the first time it ever happened. But I don’t think so, no. (laughs)”

18. On whether the president has recently spoken to Cohen: “No. No. No. I don’t think so. I talk to Cohen’s lawyers, Jay [Sekulow] talks to Cohen’s lawyers. But we try to make — both Jay and I know Cohen very well. And we both like him. He trusts us. So, no, he hasn’t been talking to him.”

19. On whether Trump was aware of Cohen’s payment to Daniels: “He wasn’t. When it was made, he wasn’t aware of it. Was he aware that Michael incurred expenses to help him? Yes. Did he have an arrangement so that Michael knew he’d be reimbursed for it? Yes. Was the president really wise to take it out of personal funds rather than from campaign funds? Thank God he did, [or else] he’d get a campaign finance violation they’d try to drum up into a felony or something. The president is personally protected [audio cut]. Recollection? He never said this to the FBI. He never said it under oath.”

20. On why Cohen claimed for months that he paid Daniels out of his own pocket: “He did. The original payment was his money. … Is Cohen’s money fungible? Yeah, Trump was paying him a retainer.”

21. On whether the president regrets his handling of the Daniels payments: “No. I think he’s doubtful that it played out there’s some crime or technical crime because no one really thought about it this way, as a campaign finance violation. It was personal.”

22. On Trump’s review of Giuliani’s interview with Hannity: “He’s very pleased. … He felt that somebody finally stood up and defended him, particularly with how this investigation is going.”

23. On who was executing Trump’s payments to Cohen: “It was from his personal finance organization, from his accountant. Whoever pays out his bills. … They weren’t all, totally, for the $135,000. There were probably other expenses mixed up in that. But I don’t think the Cohen-Trump relationship was ever about expenses. Cohen would charge him an amount of money that was more than the expenses and he’d make his profit out of that. What I’m used to is, I spend $100,000 worth of time on a client and I bill him for it. What he did was bill $25,000 a month, make $300,000 a year and maybe $100,000 were expenses and $150,000 was profit. I’m just guessing now: That’s just an example. What the public doesn’t understand is that lawyers have the authorization up to a certain amount to spend money to protect their clients from embarrassment or unjust charges, shakedowns. That’s not uncommon.”

24. On the president’s Thursday morning tweets explaining the payment: “I don't think there is any contradiction of that. That's what I said last night. People were indeed surprised, which is why I think this is a tweet that's very valuable. The president indicates he understood it. He didn't know the details of this until we knew the details of it, which was a couple weeks ago. Maybe not even a couple weeks ago, maybe 10 days ago. Remember, when this came up, October 2016, I was with him day-in and day-out then. I can't remember the details of what happened. I know $135,000 — and I don't want to demean anyone — but $135,000 seems like a lot of money. It's not when you are putting $100 million into your campaign. It isn't pocket change, but it’s pretty close to it at the end.”

25. On whether Cohen was really reimbursed for the Daniels deal: “He was definitely reimbursed. There is no doubt about it.”

26. On why Cohen made the payment to Daniels: “First of all, if we had to defend this as not being a campaign contribution, I think we could do that. This is for personal reasons. The president had been hurt personally — not politically, personally — and the first lady by some of the false allegations, that one more false allegation, six years old, I think he was trying to help the family. For that, the man is being treated like some kind of villain. And I think he was just being a good lawyer and a good man. … But it wasn't for the campaign. It was to save not their marriage so much as their reputation.”

27. On what Daniels was claiming: “She was alleging — although there is the contrary letter that she signed that it never happened — that there was a one-time affair. And I think when Cohen heard $130,000, he said, ‘My God, this is cheap. They come cheap. Let me get the thing signed up and signed off.’ … Don't you think a lot of these people would pay that when they can? I represented — I can't disclose — I represented clients who paid substantially more than that. … If you are wealthy, you are a target. We had a case — very famous person — this woman was a professional. You could do a movie about her. She, as a professional, would hit on rich guys — older ones — and then shake them down for a couple million bucks.”

28. On the politics behind the payment: “Imagine if that came out on Oct. 15, 2016, in the middle of the last debate with Hillary Clinton … Cohen didn't even ask. Cohen made it go away. He did his job.”

29. On Daniels' attorney, Michael Avenatti: “It had nothing to do with the campaign. It was a personal matter. It proves that they are stick-up artists. I don't believe he was the attorney back then [when Daniels negotiated the settlement with Cohen]. So [Avenatti] is trying to make up for what he thinks — he's trying to make money. Turned out, when you look at it, they figure they should have gotten a lot more than $135,000. Or it should have been in the seven figures. And this guy wants it. Is he going to give up his one-third of it? I doubt it. He’s going to take his money and jump in the next ambulance.”

30. On Giuliani’s purview on the Trump legal team: “I’m not working on the Stormy Daniels thing. Other lawyers are working on that. However, in the course of our work, I was able to pick up information that exonerates both the president and Michael Cohen. And now they should apologize for the raid. Half the premise for that raid was false.”

31. On Daniels’ motivations: “What do you think she’s about? And her lawyer, who’s ambulance chasing? Money, money, money, money, money. The sold out cheap because the allegations are not true. She's written a letter and signed it saying it was not true, the president has said it was not true, and they cannot produce a scintilla of independent evidence to support it. … It’s about money and it’s about her being on television. She's on television contradicting herself constantly. And the other guy probably wants MSNBC to make him their legal commentator and throw out whoever the heck they have.”

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

But he did get away with it - he won the election to the nation’s highest elected office, and many of the idiots who voted for him in 2016 would still vote for him in 2020. He won’t be going to jail over his adultery either. 

nor will he be getting divorced.

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Thirsty white knight. 

6. On the possibility of the special counsel investigating Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner: “I think I would get on my charger and go right into their offices with a lance if they go after Ivanka. … Now, I think if they do do Ivanka, which I doubt they will, the whole country will turn on them. They’re going after his daughter? … Jared is a fine man, you know that. But men are, you know, disposable. But a fine woman like Ivanka? Come on.”

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10 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

“First of all, if we had to defend this as not being a campaign contribution, I think we could do that.

 

10 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

“Imagine if that came out on Oct. 15, 2016, in the middle of the last debate with Hillary Clinton … Cohen didn't even ask. Cohen made it go away. He did his job.”

Just two great back-to-back statements.

 

But I gotta tell you guys, I THINK I've figured out Team Trump's strategy.........

....Give Mueller TOO MUCH evidence.  See, that way, there will be SO much evidence of criminal conduct, no jury or other finder of fact can sort out the EXACT crime committed.

That's my working hypothesis.  I'm willing to consider other takes, though.

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6 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Thirsty white knight. 

6. On the possibility of the special counsel investigating Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner: “I think I would get on my charger and go right into their offices with a lance if they go after Ivanka. … Now, I think if they do do Ivanka, which I doubt they will, the whole country will turn on them. They’re going after his daughter? … Jared is a fine man, you know that. But men are, you know, disposable. But a fine woman like Ivanka? Come on.”

Ivanka is in deep shit is how I read that.

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7 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Thirsty white knight. 

6. On the possibility of the special counsel investigating Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner: “I think I would get on my charger and go right into their offices with a lance if they go after Ivanka. … Now, I think if they do do Ivanka, which I doubt they will, the whole country will turn on them. They’re going after his daughter? … Jared is a fine man, you know that. But men are, you know, disposable. But a fine woman like Ivanka? Come on.”

Haha. What? "Well you see Ivanka is fine as fuck and Jared is disposable. You've seen his face. Next question."

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5 hours ago, deech said:

What's even better is their bumbling lies admitted a campaign finance violation publicly and was likely the grounds Cohen and his office get raided on.  If they just put this truth out initially, cohens office may never be raided. 

 

That being said, they lie about everything so how does anyone even believe anything they say anymore 

At this point, Trump needs to break down and confess to everything he has ever done the way Chunk did in The Goonies.

 

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