A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[Chooky 13292]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Good post.  As much as it seems incumbent on military leaders to denounce him, and as much as many would probably like to, they represent a constitutional entity with a specified place in the scheme.  It is probably wise of them not to break that constitutional norm.

It's very likely that this is why there's a letter floating around from 10 former SecDefs.  And I'm sure Dotard was real subtle about the suggestion by saying something like "can we just barricade in and start killing people who won't accept that I'm still the president?"

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/donald-trump-could-be-planning-turnberry-trip-as-scots-airport-told-to-expect-a-high-flyer-the-day-before-joe-bidens-inauguration/?utm_source=twitter

 

 

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Prestwick airport has been told to expect the arrival of a US military Boeing 757 aircraft, that is occasionally used by Trump, on January 19 – the day before his Democratic rival takes charge at the White House.

Speculation surrounding Trump’s plans has been fuelled by the activity of US Army aircraft, which were based at Prestwick airport for a week and said to be carrying out 3D reconnaissance of the president’s Turnberry resort.

 

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Sources at Prestwick said two US military surveillance aircraft were circling Turnberry in November, using the Ayrshire aviation hub as a base. US media has reported that Trump will break with tradition and snub the inauguration of President Joe Biden on January 20, instead announcing a re-election bid on Air Force One.

Aircraft used by the President, First Lady and Vice-President are given a US special call sign as opposed to a tail number to make it easier for air traffic controllers to give them special treatment.

Every plane Trump flies in has a special call sign, including his own personal Boeing 757, which has the call sign Tyson 1.

 

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Air traffic controllers receive details of the arrival of a plane with a US special call sign weeks in advance but are not told exactly which plane when the booking is made. The source at Prestwick airport, who asked to remain anonymous, said: “There is a booking for an American military version of the Boeing 757 on January 19, the day before the inauguration. That’s one that’s normally used by the Vice-President but often used by the First Lady. Presidential flights tend to get booked far in advance, because of the work that has to be done around it.”

 

Spoiler

Airport sources said surveillance planes appeared to lay the groundwork for Trump’s arrival in November. An MC-12W Liberty – a US Air Force version of the King Air 350ER, which is modified for the Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) role – landed at Prestwick on November 12. It made a number of flights over Trump Turnberry.

Another US Army aircraft that visited the airport on November 12 also carried out surveillance flights over Trump Turnberry.

A source said: “The survey aircraft was based at Prestwick for about a week. It is usually a sign Trump is going to be somewhere for an extended period.”

Some media outlets in the US have speculated that Trump would announce a 2024 re-election bid during a flight on one of the President’s official Air Force One planes on inauguration day.

Veteran NBC reporter Ken Dilanian tweeted: “Trump may announce for 2024 on inauguration day. Either way, he won’t attend the inauguration and does not plan to invite Biden to the White House or even call him.”

White House spokesman Judd Deere said Trump has not finalised his plans for inauguration day.

If Trump does fly to Scotland he could be in breach of coronavirus restrictions. Trump Turnberry is effectively closed until February 5 due to Tier 4 rules, according to the resort’s website.

The US Department of State – America’s equivalent of the Foreign Office – said it was for the White House to comment. The White House did not respond.

The Scottish Government said the UK Government’s Foreign Office is responsible for planning Presidential visits. Transport Scotland said: “This is an operational matter for the airport itself”.

Prestwick airport and the Foreign Office did not comment.

 

[d2o 1602]

Looks like they were trying to not take his call for a while.

 

 

 

[Biff Tannen 45439]

7 minutes ago, Chooky said:

It's very likely that this is why there's a letter floating around from 10 former SecDefs.  And I'm sure Dotard was real subtle about the suggestion by saying something like "can we just barricade in and start killing people who won't accept that I'm still the president?"

He is like Elaine when she gets caught with all the illegal expenditures at J Peterman.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13388]

2 minutes ago, Chooky said:

It's very likely that this is why there's a letter floating around from 10 former SecDefs.  And I'm sure Dotard was real subtle about the suggestion by saying something like "can we just barricade in and start killing people who won't accept that I'm still the president?"

I'm sure that Trump has worked through all of the options: allow him to remain as Acting President while "irregularities are researched,  or hold another election next November (while he remains in office.) 

The saddest part of this whole affair is the effective silence from GWB. I understand his unwillingness to involve himself in political matters or submit opinions that hurt current Presidents but he won't comment on efforts to subvert the Constitution. I assume GWB takes the stance that he will only comment ONCE the Constitution is tossed aside. But wouldn't that be too late?

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

3 minutes ago, d2o said:

Looks like they were trying to not take his call for a while.

 

 

 

Considering Trump is traveling to Georgia today, Raffensperger might want to close the blinds and turn off the lights.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

But wouldn't that be too late?

Yes. We're in the middle of a coup d'etat right now. IMO, prior to the election he was attempting a coup, laying the groundwork for a coup, but once the people spoke and the election results were counted it was and continues to be a coup. This is not a peaceful transfer of power, this is an attempt to hold on to power and not relinquish it.

[TXSG8R 3325]

9 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I agree, but I'm not well versed in how the military conducts itself during times of unrest. W/O going back and rereading some of the protest threads, can you or someone give me a rundown on the procedure for this week if things were to go south during the next two plus days of Proud Boys/MAGA stuff? That's the National Guard that would handle that? (If it were beyond the local PD capabilities). The Homeland Security troops?

(It's separate from the convo regarding the defense leaders recent statement, but seems pertinent to the discussion as Trump appears prepared to go that route. He admires force. He is gleeful at violence. He wants people hurt.)

When the guard is activated they are under the control of the governor/state, not the fed. They still have to comply with posse comitatus though, so they can’t be used to enforce the law. I don’t know what the rules are on homeland security, I assume they are considered a domestic entity, so they can probably be used more broadly.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13388]

1 minute ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Yes. We're in the middle of a coup d'etat right now. IMO, prior to the election he was attempting a coup, laying the groundwork for a coup, but once the people spoke and the election results were counted it was and continues to be a coup. This is not a peaceful transfer of power, this is an attempt to hold on to power and not relinquish it.

I assume the main argument, against certification, will be that many Americans question the results. Of course, those questions are falsely repeated by Trump and his lawyers, who use the Trump voter's opinions, who have used the Trump lawyers' opinions and so on. 

Regardless I assume that the request by the traitorous reps and senators will be that we need a delay to get to the bottom of this.

[TXSG8R 3325]

10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I'm sure that Trump has worked through all of the options: allow him to remain as Acting President while "irregularities are researched,  or hold another election next November (while he remains in office.) 

The saddest part of this whole affair is the effective silence from GWB. I understand his unwillingness to involve himself in political matters or submit opinions that hurt current Presidents but he won't comment on efforts to subvert the Constitution. I assume GWB takes the stance that he will only comment ONCE the Constitution is tossed aside. But wouldn't that be too late?

GWB is probably staying quiet because he almost gave Trump and any future fascists a much easier path to a coup. 
 

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In 2006, Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill (repealed as of 2008). On September 26, 2006, President George W. Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition. These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.^[14]

Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies". It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces ... to ... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition ... the President determines that ... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order ... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such ... a condition ... so hinders the execution of the laws ... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law ... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.^[15]

In 2008, these changes in the Insurrection Act of 1807 were repealed in their entirety, reverting to the previous wording of the Insurrection Act.^[16] It was originally written to limit presidential power as much as possible in the event of insurrection, rebellion, or lawlessness.

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I assume the main argument, against certification, will be that many Americans question the results. Of course, those questions are falsely repeated by Trump and his lawyers, who use the Trump voter's opinions, who have used the Trump lawyers' opinions and so on. 

Regardless I assume that the request by the traitorous reps and senators will be that we need a delay to get to the bottom of this.

Hence: coup. It doesn't have to be violent to happen. (At least according to Merriam-Webster). They can lawyer talk it up all they want to but the votes were counted and it is done.

[SydneyCarton 47809]

14 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I'm sure that Trump has worked through all of the options: allow him to remain as Acting President while "irregularities are researched,  or hold another election next November (while he remains in office.) 

The saddest part of this whole affair is the effective silence from GWB. I understand his unwillingness to involve himself in political matters or submit opinions that hurt current Presidents but he won't comment on efforts to subvert the Constitution. I assume GWB takes the stance that he will only comment ONCE the Constitution is tossed aside. But wouldn't that be too late?

I'm not the GWB hater that many on this site are, my man, but I think you might consider that perhaps the "saddest part of this whole affair" which includes an effort to overturn a peaceful and democratic election in favor of a criminal kleptocratic/autocrat who also happens to be a malignant narcissist who is completely unhinged and has nothing but contempt for pretty much every citizen of the united states AND who is widely popular and not going anywhere politically without continuing to do lasting and permanent damage to the entire way of life we have in the United States...isn't that GWB has kept his mouth shut during the entire process.

In fact, in light of what I just posted, it might be time to consider that maybe GWB doesn't deserve the level esteem that you seem to hold for him.  

[Biff Tannen 45439]

8 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I assume the main argument, against certification, will be that many Americans question the results. Of course, those questions are falsely repeated by Trump and his lawyers, who use the Trump voter's opinions, who have used the Trump lawyers' opinions and so on. 

Regardless I assume that the request by the traitorous reps and senators will be that we need a delay to get to the bottom of this.

Yes, Ron Johnson, that goon from Wisconsin, said as much yesterday on Meet the Press.

"There are a lot of people that think there was fraud!"

"Yeah, because you've been telling them that."

"No, no, I, uh...NO!"

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

6 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Regardless I assume that the request by the traitorous reps and senators will be that we need a delay to get to the bottom of this.

Perhaps they are also thinking they are clever (this would be Ted and Josh) and capable enough to simply draw out the audition/fight/power play until the inauguration but that is an extremely dangerous game to play and their hubris is unlimited. You don't FAAFO with this. If they're hoping to grab the base off the inevitable loss to propel themselves into future ambitions, likewise. The collateral damage would reveal their utter disdain for American lives.

Also: what @Biff Tannensaid.

[Gardner Barnes 1562]

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/donald-trump-could-be-planning-turnberry-trip-as-scots-airport-told-to-expect-a-high-flyer-the-day-before-joe-bidens-inauguration/?utm_source=twitter
 
 

Prestwick airport has been told to expect the arrival of a US military Boeing 757 aircraft, that is occasionally used by Trump, on January 19 – the day before his Democratic rival takes charge at the White House.
Speculation surrounding Trump’s plans has been fuelled by the activity of US Army aircraft, which were based at Prestwick airport for a week and said to be carrying out 3D reconnaissance of the president’s Turnberry resort.

 

Sources at Prestwick said two US military surveillance aircraft were circling Turnberry in November, using the Ayrshire aviation hub as a base. US media has reported that Trump will break with tradition and snub the inauguration of President Joe Biden on January 20, instead announcing a re-election bid on Air Force One.
Aircraft used by the President, First Lady and Vice-President are given a US special call sign as opposed to a tail number to make it easier for air traffic controllers to give them special treatment.
Every plane Trump flies in has a special call sign, including his own personal Boeing 757, which has the call sign Tyson 1.

 

Air traffic controllers receive details of the arrival of a plane with a US special call sign weeks in advance but are not told exactly which plane when the booking is made. The source at Prestwick airport, who asked to remain anonymous, said: “There is a booking for an American military version of the Boeing 757 on January 19, the day before the inauguration. That’s one that’s normally used by the Vice-President but often used by the First Lady. Presidential flights tend to get booked far in advance, because of the work that has to be done around it.”

 
Spoiler

Airport sources said surveillance planes appeared to lay the groundwork for Trump’s arrival in November. An MC-12W Liberty – a US Air Force version of the King Air 350ER, which is modified for the Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) role – landed at Prestwick on November 12. It made a number of flights over Trump Turnberry.
Another US Army aircraft that visited the airport on November 12 also carried out surveillance flights over Trump Turnberry.
A source said: “The survey aircraft was based at Prestwick for about a week. It is usually a sign Trump is going to be somewhere for an extended period.”
Some media outlets in the US have speculated that Trump would announce a 2024 re-election bid during a flight on one of the President’s official Air Force One planes on inauguration day.
Veteran NBC reporter Ken Dilanian tweeted: “Trump may announce for 2024 on inauguration day. Either way, he won’t attend the inauguration and does not plan to invite Biden to the White House or even call him.”
White House spokesman Judd Deere said Trump has not finalised his plans for inauguration day.
If Trump does fly to Scotland he could be in breach of coronavirus restrictions. Trump Turnberry is effectively closed until February 5 due to Tier 4 rules, according to the resort’s website.
The US Department of State – America’s equivalent of the Foreign Office – said it was for the White House to comment. The White House did not respond.
The Scottish Government said the UK Government’s Foreign Office is responsible for planning Presidential visits. Transport Scotland said: “This is an operational matter for the airport itself”.
Prestwick airport and the Foreign Office did not comment.

 

I was just about to post something similar. Would the UK not extradite him?

[Gardner Barnes 1562]

I'm sure that Trump has worked through all of the options: allow him to remain as Acting President while "irregularities are researched,  or hold another election next November (while he remains in office.) 
The saddest part of this whole affair is the effective silence from GWB. I understand his unwillingness to involve himself in political matters or submit opinions that hurt current Presidents but he won't comment on efforts to subvert the Constitution. I assume GWB takes the stance that he will only comment ONCE the Constitution is tossed aside. But wouldn't that be too late?

I think the GWB silence speaks volumes. Especially in light of the actions of comrade Cruz and other repubs.

I’m ok with it.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 minute ago, Gardner Barnes said:

 
 
 
Spoiler

  Reveal hidden contents

Airport sources said surveillance planes appeared to lay the groundwork for Trump’s arrival in November. An MC-12W Liberty – a US Air Force version of the King Air 350ER, which is modified for the Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) role – landed at Prestwick on November 12. It made a number of flights over Trump Turnberry.
Another US Army aircraft that visited the airport on November 12 also carried out surveillance flights over Trump Turnberry.
A source said: “The survey aircraft was based at Prestwick for about a week. It is usually a sign Trump is going to be somewhere for an extended period.”
Some media outlets in the US have speculated that Trump would announce a 2024 re-election bid during a flight on one of the President’s official Air Force One planes on inauguration day.
Veteran NBC reporter Ken Dilanian tweeted: “Trump may announce for 2024 on inauguration day. Either way, he won’t attend the inauguration and does not plan to invite Biden to the White House or even call him.”
White House spokesman Judd Deere said Trump has not finalised his plans for inauguration day.
If Trump does fly to Scotland he could be in breach of coronavirus restrictions. Trump Turnberry is effectively closed until February 5 due to Tier 4 rules, according to the resort’s website.
The US Department of State – America’s equivalent of the Foreign Office – said it was for the White House to comment. The White House did not respond.
The Scottish Government said the UK Government’s Foreign Office is responsible for planning Presidential visits. Transport Scotland said: “This is an operational matter for the airport itself”.
Prestwick airport and the Foreign Office did not comment.

 

I was just about to post something similar. Would the UK not extradite him?

Interesting question. The UK just ruled to not extradite Assange correct? Maybe since it's the day before he leaves office he's going to pardon him.

[Biff Tannen 45439]

8 minutes ago, Gardner Barnes said:

 
 
 
Spoiler

  Reveal hidden contents

Airport sources said surveillance planes appeared to lay the groundwork for Trump’s arrival in November. An MC-12W Liberty – a US Air Force version of the King Air 350ER, which is modified for the Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) role – landed at Prestwick on November 12. It made a number of flights over Trump Turnberry.
Another US Army aircraft that visited the airport on November 12 also carried out surveillance flights over Trump Turnberry.
A source said: “The survey aircraft was based at Prestwick for about a week. It is usually a sign Trump is going to be somewhere for an extended period.”
Some media outlets in the US have speculated that Trump would announce a 2024 re-election bid during a flight on one of the President’s official Air Force One planes on inauguration day.
Veteran NBC reporter Ken Dilanian tweeted: “Trump may announce for 2024 on inauguration day. Either way, he won’t attend the inauguration and does not plan to invite Biden to the White House or even call him.”
White House spokesman Judd Deere said Trump has not finalised his plans for inauguration day.
If Trump does fly to Scotland he could be in breach of coronavirus restrictions. Trump Turnberry is effectively closed until February 5 due to Tier 4 rules, according to the resort’s website.
The US Department of State – America’s equivalent of the Foreign Office – said it was for the White House to comment. The White House did not respond.
The Scottish Government said the UK Government’s Foreign Office is responsible for planning Presidential visits. Transport Scotland said: “This is an operational matter for the airport itself”.
Prestwick airport and the Foreign Office did not comment.

 

I was just about to post something similar. Would the UK not extradite him?

Please god let this happen.  Him fleeing the country would be such a cherry on top of all of this.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

Ha! Trump running off to Turnberry the day before the inauguration is so on brand for him. Good riddance, let him be Scotland's problem.

[Blotto 23366]

many calls. many meetings. this coup shit seems like a lot of work. Good thing dotard is known for his legendary work ethic. 

[Biff Tannen 45439]

Many calls.  Such Meetings.  Wow.

[TwiceHorn 31085]

 

4 minutes ago, Blotto said:

many calls. many meetings. this coup shit seems like a lot of work. Good thing dotard is known for his legendary work ethic. 

Goddam that fucker and his inapt adjectives.  He's got whoever does those doing it too.

Tremendous calls!  Tremendous meetings.  Like no one has ever seen before.

Christ on a cracker.

Edited January 4, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[lemonlime 5503]

11 minutes ago, Gardner Barnes said:

 
 
 
Spoiler

  Reveal hidden contents

Airport sources said surveillance planes appeared to lay the groundwork for Trump’s arrival in November. An MC-12W Liberty – a US Air Force version of the King Air 350ER, which is modified for the Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) role – landed at Prestwick on November 12. It made a number of flights over Trump Turnberry.
Another US Army aircraft that visited the airport on November 12 also carried out surveillance flights over Trump Turnberry.
A source said: “The survey aircraft was based at Prestwick for about a week. It is usually a sign Trump is going to be somewhere for an extended period.”
Some media outlets in the US have speculated that Trump would announce a 2024 re-election bid during a flight on one of the President’s official Air Force One planes on inauguration day.
Veteran NBC reporter Ken Dilanian tweeted: “Trump may announce for 2024 on inauguration day. Either way, he won’t attend the inauguration and does not plan to invite Biden to the White House or even call him.”
White House spokesman Judd Deere said Trump has not finalised his plans for inauguration day.
If Trump does fly to Scotland he could be in breach of coronavirus restrictions. Trump Turnberry is effectively closed until February 5 due to Tier 4 rules, according to the resort’s website.
The US Department of State – America’s equivalent of the Foreign Office – said it was for the White House to comment. The White House did not respond.
The Scottish Government said the UK Government’s Foreign Office is responsible for planning Presidential visits. Transport Scotland said: “This is an operational matter for the airport itself”.
Prestwick airport and the Foreign Office did not comment.

 

I was just about to post something similar. Would the UK not extradite him?

 

Stopping point on the way to Russia.

[4th&Five 41444]

I’m not sure anyone hates him more than us except maybe the Scots. I’m all for it. 

[Chad Fuck 17455]

1 hour ago, TXSG8R said:

I doubt they begged them to, but I’m sure they passed on all the fuckery they were seeing and hearing in the hopes that someone they trusted would raise some stink about it. The people in uniform are in a supremely shitty spot about this. It’s easy to say they should just publicly denounce Trump but that’s a massive conflict with their duties and would break faith with the CiC as an office. Yes, Trump deserves that break, but the effects would last beyond him.  The military is doing everything possible to stay apolitical. 

Yes, I was being strident in my language.  But everything you said is the essence of what I meant. 

[Beau Vine 53846]

8 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

What incentive does Pence have to pardon Trump?

If he doesn't, a group of Trumpanzees is gonna kidnap and rape him like Maynard and Zed.  And he might not like it.

[aggie08 21292]

41 minutes ago, Gardner Barnes said:

I think the GWB silence speaks volumes. Especially in light of the actions of comrade Cruz and other repubs.

I’m ok with it.

He came out that first weekend to congratulate Biden when every other Republican was hiding in fear, terrified to put anything on the record (shit, most still are). It would obviously be great if the only other living Republican president said, "Enough with this shit"...but I'm not holding my breath. I don't think that dude misses politics and dealing with the backlash of his actions one bit. I don't hate the dude as much as much, but will admit that distancing himself while others do shitty things in the name of the Party is sort of his whole deal.

[Wanker Bob 379]

20 hours ago, immamac said:

 this is all just a sick joke. 

Country is broken beyond repair. Moose out front shoulda told ya

[Bama Chick 28596]

Well, Scotland just announced they are going back into full lockdown for the month of January starting at midnight tonight.

I hope they refuse Trump entry.

[Snake Diggity 4607]

Nothing W does can help.  Everyone already knows that Bush hates Trump.  The only people who can make a difference are Republicans in Congress (and perhaps Republican governors).  And by and large they are choosing Trump over democracy.  Even the ones who are not overtly backing Trump are avoiding an outright rebuke.  The GOP made a deal with the devil and the debt is due.  And we might all be fucked because of it.

[Mdhorn 5897]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Good post.  As much as it seems incumbent on military leaders to denounce him, and as much as many would probably like to, they represent a constitutional entity with a specified place in the scheme.  It is probably wise of them not to break that constitutional norm.

or they will also add fuel to the fire that there is a deep state.  

[Mdhorn 5897]

1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Yes. We're in the middle of a coup d'etat right now. IMO, prior to the election he was attempting a coup, laying the groundwork for a coup, but once the people spoke and the election results were counted it was and continues to be a coup. This is not a peaceful transfer of power, this is an attempt to hold on to power and not relinquish it.

Every accusation is a confession. 

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

2 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

or they will also add fuel to the fire that there is a deep state.  

You know, on reflection, there is a Deep State.

It seems to be populated by those who believe in and uphold the Constitution. 

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

The problem with this country is not the people attempting the coup, it's the spineless cunts not enforcing the rules. Pelosi, Schumer, McConnel, pretty much every congressman and senator. 

[Mdhorn 5897]

14 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The problem with this country is not the people attempting the coup, it's the spineless cunts not enforcing the rules. Pelosi, Schumer, McConnel, pretty much every congressman and senator. 

was listening to Al Frankin last nigh and he was calling out Schumer as well as any Democrats for not speaking up.  It was a very good listen because he was speaking with top election lawyer Mark Alias about Trumps post election losses and what they mean: https://alfranken.com/listen/marc-elias .  Good to get clarity.     

[Buzzrock 14859]

Nothing W does can help.  Everyone already knows that Bush hates Trump.  The only people who can make a difference are Republicans in Congress (and perhaps Republican governors).  And by and large they are choosing Trump over democracy.  Even the ones who are not overtly backing Trump are avoiding an outright rebuke.  The GOP made a deal with the devil and the debt is due.  And we might all be fucked because of it.

I’m sure lots of Republicans will support this

[Biff Tannen 45439]

5 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

was listening to Al Frankin last nigh and he was calling out Schumer as well as any Democrats for not speaking up.  It was a very good listen because he was speaking with top election lawyer Mark Alias about Trumps post election losses and what they mean: https://alfranken.com/listen/marc-elias .  Good to get clarity.     

Can he not run again in Minnesota?  God we need him.

[lemonlime 5503]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

The problem with this country is not the people attempting the coup, it's the spineless cunts not enforcing the rules. Pelosi, Schumer, McConnel, pretty much every congressman and senator. 

Kind of like this?

(Even though we know no one with actual authority will do jack shit about it.)

[tantric superman 4667]

2 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

was listening to Al Frankin last nigh and he was calling out Schumer as well as any Democrats for not speaking up.  It was a very good listen because he was speaking with top election lawyer Mark Alias about Trumps post election losses and what they mean: https://alfranken.com/listen/marc-elias .  Good to get clarity.     

Every Trump quisling should be forced to listen non-stop to Al Franken's cackle for their eternity in hell.

[aggie08 21292]

5 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

was listening to Al Frankin last nigh and he was calling out Schumer as well as any Democrats for not speaking up.  It was a very good listen because he was speaking with top election lawyer Mark Alias about Trumps post election losses and what they mean: https://alfranken.com/listen/marc-elias .  Good to get clarity.     

Unfortunately, we live in a society where, the more people speak out against him, the more galvanized and vocal his base becomes, the more willing Trump is to do something truly crazy, the more willing other Republicans are to debase themselves for their votes and money. You can feel Trump's opposers just counting down the seconds in relative silence. 

I have no idea what the best play is here. They clearly don't either.

[BrickHorn 18134]

19 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Nothing W does can help.  Everyone already knows that Bush hates Trump.  The only people who can make a difference are Republicans in Congress (and perhaps Republican governors).  And by and large they are choosing Trump over democracy.  Even the ones who are not overtly backing Trump are avoiding an outright rebuke.  The GOP made a deal with the devil and the debt is due.  And we might all be fucked because of it.

Anyone who thinks statements from revered Republicans will make any difference doesn’t understand what we’re dealing with. Trumpism isn’t some incremental continuation of the GOP of yesteryear. It’s a completely different thing. It’s a parasite that has finally emerged from its host in its full grotesque glory. The GOP body that once fed this MAGA monster is now nothing more than a ravaged husk. It is of no further use to the now-independent parasite, and can be ignored.

[yoladu 4063]

13 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Can he not run again in Minnesota?  God we need him.

i like Franken, and he has noticeably increased his public profile in the last 6 months, but i saw an appearance a few months ago were he kind of looked "out of it".

Not suggesting Alzheimer's or dementia, but he didn't seem as sharp shall we say. It was a bit sad to see.

Edited January 4, 2021 by yoladu

[Chad Fuck 17455]

3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Anyone who thinks statements from revered Republicans will make any difference doesn’t understand what we’re dealing with. Trumpism isn’t some incremental continuation of the GOP of yesteryear. It’s a completely different thing. It’s a parasite that has finally emerged from its host in its full grotesque glory. The GOP body that once fed this MAGA monster is now nothing more than a ravaged husk. It is of no further use to the now-independent parasite, and can be ignored.

 

[Red Five 40574]

i like Franken, and he has noticeably increased his public profile in the last 6 months, but i saw an appearance a few months ago were he kind of looked "out of it".
Not suggesting Alzheimer's or dementia, but he didn't seem as sharp shall we say. It was a bit sad to see.

I know what you’re talking about and at the time I thought he was either drunk or high.

[Wanker Bob 379]

17 hours ago, Lobo said:

Good Lord...just when you think 2021 is looking on the up and up...

Where have you been looking?

The invented arbitrary line in time doesn't reset everything

[Chooky 13292]

 

[TXSG8R 3325]

28 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Nothing W does can help.  Everyone already knows that Bush hates Trump.  The only people who can make a difference are Republicans in Congress (and perhaps Republican governors).  And by and large they are choosing Trump over democracy.  Even the ones who are not overtly backing Trump are avoiding an outright rebuke.  The GOP made a deal with the devil and the debt is due.  And we might all be fucked because of it.

Trump is the symptom, not the disease. We have dumbed down our political system to the point of it becoming unworkable. We don’t elect elder statesmen (or women) anymore, we elect idiots that couldn’t pass a citizenship test or civic class. They reflect the populace that is dumbing down as well.  That’s how you elect Marjorie Taylor-Green, Tommy Tubberville, Lauren Boebert.  Most don’t even have a platform beyond being against the bogeyman du jour.  Loeffler and Perdue aren’t running for anything, they are running against communism, socialism, etc. 

The elder statesmen we do have are compromised by lobbyists and/or their efforts to maintain their grip on power. That’s a both sides problem. Pelosi and Schumer will only rock the boat so much because they are on board. They are also saddled with with the problems earlier decisions to maintain power has created. Simple majority votes, creeping executive orders, the list goes on. Congress no longer works as intended. There isn’t any compromise or working through issues. There’s obstruction and filling do or die bills with as much pork as possible. The Republicans neutered one of most significant checks on power by ignoring their duties on impeachment and lack of enforcement of congressional subpoenas. That will in turn be abused or corrected by the dems and that fix will in turn just cause more problems. This is the way.

I really don’t know what’s repairable at this point. The actions each side takes are band aids around the sucking chest wound that’s killing us. We need to codify a lot of the norms we took for granted that no elected official would cross. We need to probably beef up the presidential qualifications to include the ability to verify that person isn’t/can’t be compromised. At a minimum, we should probably ensure that the person that becomes original classification authority and commander in chief of our armed forces for our country can pass a fucking clearance investigation. We need to find a way to get congress to act like congress again and do their jobs without such egregious deference to party.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Yeah, we’re going to need a non-violent reform “revolution” or we’ll get a violent one instead. The writing has been on the wall for some time now. 

Edited January 4, 2021 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

40 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

 You can feel Trump's opposers just counting down the seconds in relative silence. 

I have no idea what the best play is here. They clearly don't either.

 

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, we’re going to need a non-violent revolution or we’ll get a violent one instead. The writing has been on the wall for some time now. 

That was a fear I mentioned yesterday--that instead of days and hours, we will be counting seconds. One shot at Fort Sumpter was followed by 43 others. Doesn't take long. That no one was killed was a miracle. Let's hope that we can weather this storm.