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Posted
39 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I guess with no Saban to scare people, ESPN is now calling the shots. So LSU would get Bama, aggy, and Ole Miss? 

We all know who’s calling the shots. 
 

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5 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Guesses on OU’s other 2 pod opponents?

Mizzou for sure. The 3rd will be interesting. I don't think it will be Arkansas though that makes sense for regionality. I feel it will be someone who doesn't have a good 3rd rival like South Carolina. 

Posted
41 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Taking that and canceling the FCS payday games of $1-$4M annually will make each program some pretty good money. Radio people are acting like they read that ESPN will be escalating once initial assumptions are validated. 

But WILL they cancel the FCS games?

I can see some pussies have their OOC slate be Purdue/Maryland/Northwestern and then two FCS cupcakes.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Nebraska apparently

 

Nebraska as a permanent non con game over okie lite would be hilarious…and good for OU. 
 

I’m curious who Florida cuts. Miami or FSU? I don’t see them keeping both, but I’ve been wrong before.

Posted
1 minute ago, mdmost said:

Mizzou for sure. The 3rd will be interesting. I don't think it will be Arkansas though that makes sense for regionality. I feel it will be someone who doesn't have a good 3rd rival like South Carolina. 

Yep I overlooked their Big 8 history with Mizzou. Id imagine Nagy is begging Sankey for aggy to be their third so they’d get another game in Texas.

Posted
2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I’m curious who Florida cuts. Miami or FSU? I don’t see them keeping both, but I’ve been wrong before.

Miami probably. But yeah, they’d be going for 11 P4 games a year if they didn’t

Also the ACC hasn’t figured out how to do a 9 game schedule with 17 teams. Unless they count games against ND in the standings….

Posted
17 minutes ago, Js1 said:
20 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I’m curious who Florida cuts. Miami or FSU? I don’t see them keeping both, but I’ve been wrong before.

Miami probably. But yeah, they’d be going for 11 P4 games a year if they didn’t

Also the ACC hasn’t figured out how to do a 9 game schedule with 17 teams. Unless they count games against ND in the standings….

We have only played Miami on years where there is an extra bye week baked in to the calendar.

We don't have any future games scheduled with them after this year.

We are not dropping FSU.

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Posted
45 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

But WILL they cancel the FCS games?

I can see some pussies have their OOC slate be Purdue/Maryland/Northwestern and then two FCS cupcakes.

I am sure without a mandate, we will witness spineless behavior from a few schools. That said, any program with CFP aspirations has to realize that the worm is turning regarding just buying wins. 

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Posted (edited)

Reposting from the SEC general thread.

Arkansas has developed a "rivalry" with LSU.

Not sure anyone has any sort of rivalry or feelings about Missouri aside from Arkansas and historically OU. Based on all I've heard, nobody thinks of them at all.

I think aggie would WANT be aligned with LSU, Arkansas and Texas. Those are their "rivalries". Just don't think LSU sees that game the way aggie does. I think more likely aggie gets Arkansas, Texas, OU or SC

Arkansas: Texas, LSU, Aggie

LSU: Arkansas, Ole Miss, Bama are their 3 traditional ones.

Tennessee: Vandy, Kentucky, Bama

Florida: Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky (Auburn or Bama both apply as rivals)

Kentucky: Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Florida

Georgia: Florida, Auburn, Tennessee

Bama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee

South Carolina: Georgia, Tennessee, Aggie ? 

Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss

Missouri: Arkansas, OU, Texas or Aggie? 

Ole Miss: MSU, Bama, Auburn or Arkansas 

OU: Texas, Arkansas and Aggie or Missouri 

MSU: Ole Miss, Kentucky, Bama

Auburn: Bama, Georgia, ? 

USA Today already penned an article

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Posted
Just now, closetojumping said:

I am sure without a mandate, we will witness spineless behavior from a few schools. That said, any program with CFP aspirations has to realize that the worm is turning regarding just buying wins. 

Agreed, and games with other big name schools aren't like filling in FCS or nobody P4 teams (which even those aren't easy).

My guess is CDC is already working overtime with input from Sark on the next 8-10 years. Right now beyond 2029 its grim. I suspect some of that was due to the unknown factors which are now being answered.

Posted
1 hour ago, fellside said:

I bet they use Mississippi State, Kentucky and Vanderbilt to divide up for the schools with two difficult rivals like Auburn. 

It's kind of crazy how some of these schools have been in the conference for decades and still don't really have any rivals. 

True rivalries are unique. We hate OU, but we’d play them in a parking lot if we had to, and they feel the same about us. Alabama-Auburn and UGA-Florida are similar, I think. 
 
A lot of so-called rivalries are pretty weak. TCU and Baylor have played 130 times but either o e would give the game up for a magic bean (and either would surrender their first born for a home and home with Texas). 
 
Arkansas, back in the oldest SWC days, had a regular OOC game with Ile Miss, often played in Memphis. 
 
The ACC needs to go to nine conference games, but I bet they don’t get offered the same payout that the SEC teams do. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, statsman said:

True rivalries are unique. We hate OU, but we’d play them in a parking lot if we had to, and they feel the same about us. Alabama-Auburn and UGA-Florida are similar, I think. 
 
A lot of so-called rivalries are pretty weak. TCU and Baylor have played 130 times but either o e would give the game up for a magic bean (and either would surrender their first born for a home and home with Texas). 
 
Arkansas, back in the oldest SWC days, had a regular OOC game with Ile Miss, often played in Memphis. 
 
The ACC needs to go to nine conference games, but I bet they don’t get offered the same payout that the SEC teams do. 

In the SEC you have intra and usually interstate rivalries. Kentucky hates with Louisville, but they definitely have a rivalry with Vandy and Tennessee. Remember, they are all 100% football in the SEC particularly when Kentucky is involved. Though that is, of course the biggest motivation for rivalry. It's not unlike Texas with aggie, Arkansas and most prominent Oklahoma. Sometimes the rivalry is lop sided, but doesn't change the dislike for one another. 

Posted
34 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

We have only played Miami on years where there is an extra bye week baked in to the calendar.

We don't have any future games scheduled with them after this year.

We are not dropping FSU.

You should. FSU blows and their program is positioned worse than Miami at this point. 

Posted

Assuming we are paired with OU/A&M/Arkansas, either the Aggies or the Piggies will have to make consecutive trips to Austin (‘25 and ‘26) to keep the schedule balanced. The meltdown (in either case) is going to be glorious.

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You should. FSU blows and their program is positioned worse than Miami at this point. 

Miami's athletic department is trash. They field 15.5 sports. Right now, football and hoops are being propped up by a grifter under federal investigation for fraud who has been trying to use them to grift more taxpayer dollars in South Florida and could vanish at any moment.

And their "fans" are trash. I saw as many Miami Heat jerseys at the game last year as Hurricanes jerseys.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

Miami's athletic department is trash. They field 15.5 sports. Right now, football and hoops are being propped up by a grifter under federal investigation for fraud who has been trying to use them to grift more taxpayer dollars in South Florida and could vanish at any moment.

And their "fans" are trash. I saw as many Miami Heat jerseys at the game last year as Hurricanes jerseys.

They’ve at least shown a willingness to funnel and raise NIL dollars. What’s fsu done post jimbo, other than present their spread ass cheeks for the world to violate?

Posted
39 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Reposting from the SEC general thread.

Arkansas has developed a "rivalry" with LSU.

Not sure anyone has any sort of rivalry or feelings about Missouri aside from Arkansas and historically OU. Based on all I've heard, nobody thinks of them at all.

I think aggie would WANT be aligned with LSU, Arkansas and Texas. Those are their "rivalries". Just don't think LSU sees that game the way aggie does. I think more likely aggie gets Arkansas, Texas, OU or SC

Arkansas: Texas, LSU, Aggie

LSU: Arkansas, Ole Miss, Bama are their 3 traditional ones.

Tennessee: Vandy, Kentucky, Bama

Florida: Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky (Auburn or Bama both apply as rivals)

Kentucky: Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Florida

Georgia: Florida, Auburn, Tennessee

Bama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee

South Carolina: Georgia, Tennessee, Aggie ? 

Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Kentucky, Ole Miss

Missouri: Arkansas, OU, Texas or Aggie? 

Ole Miss: MSU, Bama, Auburn or Arkansas 

OU: Texas, Arkansas and Aggie or Missouri 

MSU: Ole Miss, Kentucky, Bama

Auburn: Bama, Georgia, ? 

USA Today already penned an article

Your scenario has pig not playing OU but OU playing pig. Not sure how that’s going to work out. 
 

I think OU ends up playing us, Mizzou and UF

5 hours ago, SimkinsMan said:

It's on, bitches!

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, jetsfan76 said:

We've played Arky what, 7 times in the past 34 years? Historical sure, but they weren't exactly chomping at the bit to play us. Aggy left 13 years ago, and we didn't play. We weren't in the same conference with OU for 60+ years, and still played them. One is not like the other 2.

Shut the fuck up Donnie…

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Posted
17 minutes ago, Getafix said:

 

Aggies coming to grips w/ the portents of the likely schedule changes.

 

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Lulz.  

"Aggies' best chance is ... last year!"

 

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Woulda, coulda, shoulda.....aggy

Anything they don't shit on, they'll fuck up

Posted
24 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

They’ve at least shown a willingness to funnel and raise NIL dollars. What’s fsu done post jimbo, other than present their spread ass cheeks for the world to violate?

Miami has one guy that has been spending funny money like crazy for a few years and that could disappear at any moment.

The athletic department itself is not healthy.

Posted

 

So, FCB had the section below, in his note on the Horns 247 board.

Has it been officially announced, that Texas' three annual opponents will be OU/Aggie/Arky?  

FCB makes it sound like a done deal ... and we know he's buds with CDC.  Am sure he's at least tried to get the inside scoop from CDC.

Wonder whether he inadvertently or intentionally put that in, after he heard that from Del Conte.

 

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Also, FYI - Karels on the Aggie board has mentioned multiple times that Jimbo Fisher revealed in '22 that Texas, LSU and Miss State were the three permanent opponents discussed then, for the Aggies. 

 

 

Posted
28 minutes ago, Chili dog said:

Your scenario has pig not playing OU but OU playing pig. Not sure how that’s going to work out. 
 

I think OU ends up playing us, Mizzou and UF

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Did you miss the OR part where there was a different team? 

Why the FUCK would OU end up in a "rivalry" match with Florida? They've played twice, ever. They are the furthest away from one another geographically and Florida already has 3 legit rivalries. OU has a history with Aggie from BiG XII, and Arkansas is next door. Likely its Aggie or Arkansas as it makes the most sense historically and logistically. Which means, Texas, Missouri and a&m or Arkansas as the OU games which shifts Arkansas to Texas, LSU, and OU or Missouri. Then again there is the old SWC Arkansas/Aggie tie so.. Missouri is the odd ball that really only has ties to OU, and a bit of an old rivalry with Arkansas. Who wants to play Missouri though? They're never good, but rarely horrible. Beat them you should, lose it's an upset for good teams.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Getafix said:

 

So, FCB had the section below, in his note on the Horns 247 board.

Has it been officially announced, that Texas' three annual opponents will be OU/Aggie/Arky?  

FCB makes it sound like a done deal ... and we know he's buds with CDC.  Am sure he's at least tried to get the inside scoop from CDC.

Wonder whether he inadvertently or intentionally put that in, after he heard that from Del Conte.

 

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Also, FYI - Karels on the Aggie board has mentioned multiple times that Jimbo Fisher revealed in '22 that Texas, LSU and Miss State were the three permanent opponents discussed then, for the Aggies. 

 

 

I see Aggie wanting LSU, I don't see LSU wanting Aggie they have Arkansas, Ole Miss and Bama as traditional rivals. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I see Aggie wanting LSU, I don't see LSU wanting Aggie they have Arkansas, Ole Miss and Bama as traditional rivals. 

LSU has Auburn over Arky and aggy.

Posted
5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Did you miss the OR part where there was a different team? 

Why the FUCK would OU end up in a "rivalry" match with Florida? They've played twice, ever. They are the furthest away from one another geographically and Florida already has 3 legit rivalries. OU has a history with Aggie from BiG XII, and Arkansas is next door. Likely its Aggie or Arkansas as it makes the most sense historically and logistically. Which means, Texas, Missouri and a&m or Arkansas as the OU games which shifts Arkansas to Texas, LSU, and OU or Missouri. Then again there is the old SWC Arkansas/Aggie tie so.. Missouri is the odd ball that really only has ties to OU, and a bit of an old rivalry with Arkansas. Who wants to play Missouri though? They're never good, but rarely horrible. Beat them you should, lose it's an upset for good teams.

The only way UF-OU makes any sort of sense is if...

  1. After UGA, all of Florida's top half rival preferences are taken (Auburn, LSU, Tennessee).
  2. Some non-rival permanent games were agreed to so ESPN would pay more.
Posted
1 minute ago, Topper13 said:

LSU has Auburn over Arky and aggy.

Why would LSU take a non-rival Auburn over a rival Arkansas? 

Also, Auburn gets Bama, Georgia and LSU. 

Enjoy getting slept War Eagle.

Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

The only way UF-OU makes any sort of sense is if...

  1. After UGA, all of Florida's top half rival preferences are taken (Auburn, LSU, Tennessee).
  2. Some non-rival permanent games were agreed to so ESPN would pay more.

I suppose but it really is the worst possible match up I've seen in all of them. I can't see it happening unless it was a big cash payout which OU could use but... otherwise it's a terrible thing given WHY it's happening. 

As a Gata fan who out of Tennessee, Auburn and LSU would you prefer. I know Tennessee and Florida are pretty big as far as "rivalries" go. I'd put them 3rd after Kentucky and Vandy (just cause intra state rivals on Vandy)

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Posted
2 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I suppose but it really is the worst possible match up I've seen in all of them. I can't see it happening unless it was a big cash payout which OU could use but... otherwise it's a terrible thing given WHY it's happening. 

Yup. Especially because it wouldn't be done in a vacuum. Florida-Tennessee draws. Oklahoma-A&M would draw.

I could kind of understand some old ways of thinking of forcing it to get East and West integrating faster. The 14 team divisional schedule was a nightmare, but that's not an issue anymore and stupid matchups like South Carolina - A&M don't need to be forced.

This is the fastest rotation the SEC has had since the '92 expansion:

'92 - 5 division, 2 permanent, 1 rotating for the remaining 5 teams (10 year rotation)
'03 - 5 division, 1 permanent, 2 rotating for the remaining 6 teams (6 year rotation)
'13 - 6 division, 1 permanent, 1 rotating for the remaining 6 teams (12 year rotation)
'26 - 3 rivals, 6 rotating for the remaining 12 teams (4 year rotation)

Posted
5 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Pods! Pods! Pods!

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3 hours ago, Red Five said:

What about atm for OU's #3? That would kick Arkansas off atm's, but that seems like a wash.

If the SEC wants OU to be good, it should be A&M. They are a blue blood with no local recruiting base. Missouri produces decent talent, so a Mizzou game helps them, but they need the additional TX exposure for recruiting. 

As a TX fan, I don't love the idea of OU getting additional East TX exposure, but that is probably in the SEC's best interest. It's definitely in Oklahoma's best interest. 

 

Posted
5 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

Once the NCAA did away with the divisional requirement, pods no longer made sense.

They make fantastic sense if you care about a championship game making sense and what made college football great (familiarity-based rivalries). Wildly divergent schedules from freeform conference scheduling is completely nonsensical from a competition perspective. Divisional setups ensure that each representative navigated a very similar schedule compared to the half of the conference they are representing.

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Posted
3 hours ago, WBT said:

For the non-rivals, I wish they had gone with the original Big 12 model where you played half the opposite division home and home in back to back years and then rotated.  I liked the immediate rematches without a year in between.  Just a minor quibble.

It's still a huge improvement that if a guy actually stays at a school all 4 years without transferring, he would play every team home and away.  It should go a long way to make it feel like you're actually in the same conference.  As opposed to things like Georgia and aggy.

Agreed on the old Big 12 model.  I hope they rethink this and play your home and home with 6 schools and then flip to the other 6. Rematches in back-to- back years are going to be way more interesting than going a year in between.

I’m also interested in seeing the A&M not hosting Georgia storyline continue. Possible now it could push all the way to 2029.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

They make fantastic sense if you care about a championship game making sense and what made college football great (familiarity-based rivalries). Wildly divergent schedules from freeform conference scheduling is completely nonsensical from a competition perspective. Divisional setups ensure that each representative navigated a very similar schedule compared to the half of the conference they are representing.

It's really hard to create 4 balanced pods AND protect rivalries

What made the original SEC divisional format worked was that they put 3 of the "big 6" in each division. It wasn't perfect but from a resource perspective, you would expect competitive balance over time. 

Tier 1 - Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee
Tier 2 - Arkansas, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Kentucky
Tier 3 - Miss St, Vandy

Adding A&M and Mizzou tilted the balance to the West because A&M has Tier 1 resources while Mizzou was Tier 2. 

The alternate plan would have been to move Auburn to the East and keep Mizzou to the West, but it would be unbalanced as well.

Now with Texas and Oklahoma, you have two more Tier 1 resource programs.

West Pod - Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M (3 tier 1, 1 tier 2)
River Pod - LSU, Mississippi St., Missouri, Ole Miss (1 tier 1, 2 tier 2, 1 tier 3)
Central Pod - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt (3 tier 1, 1 tier 3)
East Pod - Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina (2 tier 1, 2 tier 2)

Posted
5 minutes ago, UTexasFight said:

Agreed on the old Big 12 model.  I hope they rethink this and play your home and home with 6 schools and then flip to the other 6. Rematches in back-to- back years are going to be way more interesting than going a year in between.

I’m also interested in seeing the A&M not hosting Georgia storyline continue. Possible now it could push all the way to 2029.

I just truly hope that whatever happens, aggie ends up traveling to Athens. My god, the conspiracy theory gold would flow like a river out of Texags.

Posted
2 hours ago, gatormarc said:

We have only played Miami on years where there is an extra bye week baked in to the calendar.

We don't have any future games scheduled with them after this year.

We are not dropping FSU.

Not when they're 2-10.

Posted
1 minute ago, Thetexashammer said:

Not when they're 2-10.

Last year was stupid. We screwed around for 60 minutes and still won by 3 TDs.

I've never seen a team give up so completely.

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