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Posted
10 hours ago, Pods said:

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If the SEC wants OU to be good, it should be A&M. They are a blue blood with no local recruiting base. Missouri produces decent talent, so a Mizzou game helps them, but they need the additional TX exposure for recruiting. 

As a TX fan, I don't love the idea of OU getting additional East TX exposure, but that is probably in the SEC's best interest. It's definitely in Oklahoma's best interest. 

 

I believe OU prefers Florida as it gives annual exposure in a very fertile recruiting area.  Arkansas is in no way a historical rival except geographically and it is not a good recruiting addition.  OU is already exposed and relevant in Texas based on UT rivalry and historical exposure, so not sure aggy adds much.   Missouri has historical Big 8 ties and exposure to Missouri and Kansas states for recruiting.

Will this be the result, not sure.

Posted

They could do a rotation and mix up the schedule every 8 or 12 years of the teams like South Carolina, Missouri and Kentucky to make it more fair to them. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Deej said:

So does 9 conference games a year mean aggy will play Georgia more frequently than once every 15 years?

SEC needs to send them to Athens next year. Any 2 member who haven’t played in like a decade bc of scheduling quirks need to play next year. No complaining 

Posted
Just now, blacklab said:

They could do a rotation and mix up the schedule every 8 or 12 years of the teams like South Carolina, Missouri and Kentucky to make it more fair to them. 

Yeah, by then maybe these SEC also-rans will have developed a solid dislike for one another.

"Rivalries"

Posted
2 minutes ago, blacklab said:

They could do a rotation and mix up the schedule every 8 or 12 years of the teams like South Carolina, Missouri and Kentucky to make it more fair to them. 

True.  Plus all of this potentially gets re-shuffled anyway a few years down the line if/when some ACC teams are added to the now-24-team SECSECSEC.

Posted
29 minutes ago, ABSR said:

I believe OU prefers Florida as it gives annual exposure in a very fertile recruiting area.  Arkansas is in no way a historical rival except geographically and it is not a good recruiting addition.

Yes, this is why I want OU and Arky to pair up annually. Fuck the okies over even better

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Posted
16 hours ago, WBT said:

I hope we go from 2 to 1 G5 cupcake starting with 2030.  We should play one weak P5 and one mid to strong P5 every year in NC.

Going to 9 conference games is obviously good news.

I like the idea of one weak and one strong so much, I think I will start the debate now to go to playing 10 SEC games.  2 OOC games is a perfect match with idea of having one weak P5 and one strong P5 game.  No cupcakes needed.  Strongest league in the country should not need cupcakes. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

SEC needs to send them to Athens next year. Any 2 member who haven’t played in like a decade bc of scheduling quirks need to play next year. No complaining 

Georgia has never played a game in College Station.

Posted
1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

Picking 3 Permanent Opponents When SEC Expands To 9-Game Schedule - YouTube

 

Tennessee has played Kentucky more that any other team (120 times). But yeah, Tennessee has 4 traditional games so somebody gets left out. Wonder wish teams Tenn fans would rather play?

Posted

I'll play:

Texas - Oklahoma   Texas A&M   Arkansas
Oklahoma - Texas   Mizzou   Kentucky
Texas A&M - LSU   Texas   Arkansas  
Mizzou - Arkansas   Oklahoma   South Carolina
LSU - Texas A&M   Ole Miss   Miss. State
 

Posted
Just now, Saint Austin said:

I'll play:

Texas - Oklahoma   Texas A&M   Arkansas
Oklahoma - Texas   Mizzou   Kentucky
Texas A&M - LSU   Texas   Arkansas  
Mizzou - Arkansas   Oklahoma   South Carolina
LSU - Texas A&M   Ole Miss   Miss. State
 

Just give LSU 3 free wins then, eh?

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Posted

Damn you, fat fingers:

Texas - Oklahoma   Texas A&M   Arkansas
Oklahoma - Texas   Mizzou   Kentucky
Texas A&M - LSU   Texas   Arkansas  
Mizzou - Arkansas   Oklahoma   South Carolina
LSU - Texas A&M   Ole Miss   Miss. State
Arkansas - Texas   Texas A&M   Mizzou
Miss. State - Ole Miss   LSU   Alabama
Ole Miss - Miss. State   LSU   Vanderbilt
Alabama Auburn   Tennessee   Miss. State.
Auburn - Alabama   Georgia   Florida
Tennessee - Vanderbilt   Kentucky   Alabama
Vanderbilt - Tennessee   Kentucky   Ole Miss
Kentucky - Tennessee   Vanderbilt   Oklahoma
Georgia - Florida   Auburn   South Carolina
South Carolina - Georgia   Florida   Mizzou
Florida - Georgia   South Carolina   Auburn

5 minutes ago, Lou_Sassle said:

Just give LSU 3 free wins then, eh?

They would definitely get an easier draw, as opposed to Auburn's whose slate would be brutal.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

I'll play:

Texas - Oklahoma   Texas A&M   Arkansas
Oklahoma - Texas   Mizzou   Kentucky
Texas A&M - LSU   Texas   Arkansas  
Mizzou - Arkansas   Oklahoma   South Carolina
LSU - Texas A&M   Ole Miss   Miss. State
 

 

5 minutes ago, Lou_Sassle said:

Just give LSU 3 free wins then, eh?

Why not, he's giving OU an easy pass as well. 

3 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

16 team playoff all but guaranteed now. Fuck

"I'm GreenspointTexas, and I hate quality college football and want less of it."

Posted
1 hour ago, mdmost said:

This is On3's idea

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i’d rather swap South Carolina for Oklahoma as the third Florida pod member.  I have no desire to set foot in the state of Oklahoma.

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

16 team playoff all but guaranteed now. Fuck

12 teams was already too many, but at least 16 will eliminate the stupid byes.

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Posted
19 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Why not, he's giving OU an easy pass as well. 

"I'm GreenspointTexas, and I hate quality college football and want less of it."

One of the greatest things about college football is the importance of the regular season. This further devalues it. Also, 17 games means players gonna sit out for various games for various reasons due to season length. Pass

 

also, lol at auto bids. Anyone who thinks there will be 4 power conferences existing/making decisions in 5-10 years is a moron. 

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Posted
28 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

Texas - Oklahoma   Texas A&M   Arkansas

"Sankey giving tu an easy schedule!" - aggy

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Posted
4 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

As a fan of Longhorn football, it’s hard to overstate how perfectly the last five years have gone off the field.

No longer being the single big fish in a shitty pond, guaranteed annual games with our three biggest rivals for the first time in 35 years, the incredible development of our NIL program… it’s just a really exciting time to be a fan of this program, especially when contrasted to where things were a decade ago.

Now let’s start piling up some trophies.

If I found a magic cfb conference/scheduling genie Im not sure I could draw it up any better. Add in the advantage we have with the NIL developments and Im about as happy as you can get as a fan. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

One of the greatest things about college football is the importance of the regular season. This further devalues it. Also, 17 games means players gonna sit out for various games for various reasons due to season length. Pass

 

also, lol at auto bids. Anyone who thinks there will be 4 power conferences existing/making decisions in 5-10 years is a moron. 

It makes more regular season games important, not fewer.  In the past if you lost a game or two, season was over.  Now many, many games late in year that were otherwise meaningless have relevance.

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Posted

Has there been any discussion about how the other 6 games rotate? I thought it was going to be the same 6 two years in a row, home and away like we did last year and this. But this quote: 

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Each team will face every other SEC program at least once every two years and every opponent home and away over four years.

Leads me to believe it will be the same 6 every other year home/away.

Posted
1 hour ago, TxEx84 said:

Tennessee has played Kentucky more that any other team (120 times). But yeah, Tennessee has 4 traditional games so somebody gets left out. Wonder wish teams Tenn fans would rather play?

Tennessee will use what little capital they have to keep UK as one of their three. Bama, UK, Vandy, and UK are their traditional rivals going back 75-100 years. The Florida rivalry didn’t really start until 1992 when they went to divisions (other than some rancor around Doug Dickey in 1969-70), and it has been pretty lopsided against Tennessee the last 32 years. Tennessee can rightfully argue that they deserve a break given that they got stuck playing Bama, UGA, and UF every year since 1992. 

Posted
2 hours ago, gatormarc said:

Pods are not happening.

Agreed

They said "annual opponents" that won't happen annually lol

Florida is kind of in the same position as Texas, we got too many rivals (or people who consider Florida rivals). 

 

Florida has

FSU (OOC regular opponent)

Georgia

Tennessee

Miami (OOC every few years)

LSU

Kentucky

 

Auburn, Scar, and Missouri kind of think of themselves as rivals too

 

Texas has

BlowU

aggy

piggy

the big 12 left behinds

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But now we've also got Alabama and LSU who we've recently had home and home with.

meatchicken, USC, OSU, and Notre dame we've had lots of H&H with in the modern era as well. I'd almost consider those guys rivals too. 

 

Anyway, Alabammer will bitch and moan about 9 game schedule as well as their pod because tennessee doesn't suck anymore but fuck them. Auburn sucks so bad that is a tune up game anyway. it can be argued that Texas has the toughest "pod" since people always take aggy so seriously before the season starts.

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

16 team playoff all but guaranteed now. Fuck

Minimum 28 teams

should be 32 teams or really, lets get some bye weeks the top teams and go ahead with 40 🙎‍♀️

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Can all go fuck themselves

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Yep we took the belt and never gave it back they don't even have a belt anymore brother

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Saint Austin said:

Damn you, fat fingers:

Texas - Oklahoma   Texas A&M   Arkansas
Oklahoma - Texas   Mizzou   Kentucky
Texas A&M - LSU   Texas   Arkansas  
Mizzou - Arkansas   Oklahoma   South Carolina
LSU - Texas A&M   Ole Miss   Miss. State
Arkansas - Texas   Texas A&M   Mizzou
Miss. State - Ole Miss   LSU   Alabama
Ole Miss - Miss. State   LSU   Vanderbilt
Alabama Auburn   Tennessee   Miss. State.
Auburn - Alabama   Georgia   Florida
Tennessee - Vanderbilt   Kentucky   Alabama
Vanderbilt - Tennessee   Kentucky   Ole Miss
Kentucky - Tennessee   Vanderbilt   Oklahoma
Georgia - Florida   Auburn   South Carolina
South Carolina - Georgia   Florida   Mizzou
Florida - Georgia   South Carolina   Auburn

They would definitely get an easier draw, as opposed to Auburn's whose slate would be brutal.

Auburn isn't getting the biggest TV and brands of all the teams in the SEC. That is the best slate and they are getting some shitty teams mixed in purely based on money and TV. 

SEC commissioner doesn't want it and neither do all 3 of those teams.

Similarly Bama AD is gonna laugh if you tell him they 2 of their 3 "locked" are games nobody but that state will care about.

Similar for Georgia athletic department. "Auburn and SC? Every year? Go fuck yourself!" After which they rage drive 100+ mph out of the parking lot.

Money and TV eyes, aka Brand Games, are going to be the ruling force after known rivalries. The have nots aren't getting the lion's share.

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Auburn is absolutely getting Georgia and Bama. Auburn-Georgia have played 121 times and it is the oldest SEC rivalry. Then Auburn gets someone shitty like Mississippi State. I don't think they'll give them Florida too. That's played less frequently. 

The criteria will be 1) geography, 2) rivalries, 3) balance. It's not just ABC that the SEC needs to fill out. It's ESPN, ESPN2, SECN as well. Auburn Georgia would go on any one of ABC/ESPN/ESPN2. Auburn-Miss State or South Carolina goes on SECN. 

Posted
2 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

One of the greatest things about college football is the importance of the regular season. This further devalues it. Also, 17 games means players gonna sit out for various games for various reasons due to season length. Pass

 

also, lol at auto bids. Anyone who thinks there will be 4 power conferences existing/making decisions in 5-10 years is a moron. 

You sound like the same idiots that were screaming about the sanctity of the regular season when it came to the the disappearance of the old bowl system. That era was over the second the BCS implemented a championship game of any kind. It was doomed once the sport decided they would attempt to declare a definitive national championship every season. You just didn't realize it. That's on you. 

Players already sit for various reasons during a season for depth. But do you know what actually KEEPS players from just shutting down halfway and declaring for the NFL draft more than anything else these days? You guessed it, the fucking promise of the playoffs and a national championship. Guess what more teams getting in means?

Additionally, the importance of the regular season doesn't blow my skirt up when people would go back to scheduling FCS teams as often as possible to stay undefeated, and play their 3rd string. You're cool with that, but you take exception with players might sit more often to stay healthy? Right. 

Just now, mdmost said:

Auburn is absolutely getting Georgia and Bama. Auburn-Georgia have played 121 times and it is the oldest SEC rivalry. Then Auburn gets someone shitty like Mississippi State. I don't think they'll give them Florida too. That's played less frequently. 

The criteria will be 1) geography, 2) rivalries, 3) balance. It's not just ABC that the SEC needs to fill out. It's ESPN, ESPN2, SECN as well. Auburn Georgia would go on any one of ABC/ESPN/ESPN2. Auburn-Miss State or South Carolina goes on SECN. 

I don't think geography will be #1. It would be #3 on your list, and honestly, I'm not sure that it wouldn't be behind Ratings, which isn't even accounted for by you. 

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Posted

Do people not get angry when their playoff bound NFL team loses to a conference teammate, possibly costing them home field advantage? Do those game mean less?

Posted
2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don't think geography will be #1. It would be #3 on your list, and honestly, I'm not sure that it wouldn't be behind Ratings, which isn't even accounted for by you. 

This is the criteria Ross Dellenger spelled out. Ratings obviously play into it but geography could also mean in-state rivals or cross border matchups. 

 

Posted
1 minute ago, mdmost said:

This is the criteria Ross Dellenger spelled out. Ratings obviously play into it but geography could also mean in-state rivals or cross border matchups. 

 

I don't think the SEC brass are going to blatantly tell Ross Delenger "Money and Ratings trump everything." Do you? 

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don't think the SEC brass are going to blatantly tell Ross Delenger "Money and Ratings trump everything." Do you? 

Of course not but you can't ignore geography for putting teams together. It won't all be money and ratings because you can't ask some teams to play 3 marquee opponents as their permanent rivals. There has to be balance and some degree of regionality. There's also the weird ones like Florida, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Kentucky that don't just have 3 ready made rivals that you can easily name. The balance portion is pretty key. If it was all money and ratings, we wouldn't be playing Arkansas. We'd get LSU, Bama, or Georgia. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Of course not but you can't ignore geography for putting teams together. It won't all be money and ratings because you can't ask some teams to play 3 marquee opponents as their permanent rivals. There has to be balance and some degree of regionality. There's also the weird ones like Florida, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Kentucky that don't just have 3 ready made rivals that you can easily name. The balance portion is pretty key. 

Once you admit that there's other factors being taking into consideration than what Delenger outlines, your whole premise goes out the window. 

I didn't say ignore geography. I just said it would be last on the list. 

Posted
3 hours ago, utee94 said:

12 teams was already too many, but at least 16 will eliminate the stupid byes.

This is where I am. I always wanted eight max. I can live with 16. Anything more is absolutely moronic.

Fuck anyone advocating for 32 or 40.

 

2 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

It makes more regular season games important, not fewer.  In the past if you lost a game or two, season was over.  Now many, many games late in year that were otherwise meaningless have relevance.

The point about the regular season being important is NOT about the number of games at the end of the season that matter to teams seeking playoff bids. That misses the point.

College football was always historically great because you had so little room for error. One loss? MAYBE you still have a shot. Tow losses? Forget it. You're out of the running.

THAT is what is meant by the regular season matters.

Now we are in a world where three losses and you still have a shot at a national championship. That would have been unthinkable in the 80's or 90's.

Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Georgia has never played a game in College Station.

I've read a joking proposal to schedule them in a non-conference home and home just to get them to Kyle. SEC scheduling is ridiculous.

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Posted
Just now, TrashMaster G said:

This is where I am. I always wanted eight max. I can live with 16. Anything more is absolutely moronic.

Fuck anyone advocating for 32 or 40.

 

The point about the regular season being important is NOT about the number of games at the end of the season that matter to teams seeking playoff bids. That misses the point.

College football was always historically great because you had so little room for error. One loss? MAYBE you still have a shot. Tow losses? Forget it. You're out of the running.

THAT is what is meant by the regular season matters.

Now we are in a world where three losses and you still have a shot at a national championship. That would have been unthinkable in the 80's or 90's.

I prefer playoffs instead of bullshit like what happened in 2008.

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Posted
1 minute ago, TrashMaster G said:

Now we are in a world where three losses and you still have a shot at a national championship. That would have been unthinkable in the 80's or 90's.

Vanderbilt’s QB is going to make $2M this season. We’re way past what was unthinkable in the 80s or 90s. 

Posted

 

9 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Of course not but you can't ignore geography for putting teams together. It won't all be money and ratings because you can't ask some teams to play 3 marquee opponents as their permanent rivals. There has to be balance and some degree of regionality. There's also the weird ones like Florida, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Kentucky that don't just have 3 ready made rivals that you can easily name. The balance portion is pretty key. If it was all money and ratings, we wouldn't be playing Arkansas. We'd get LSU, Bama, or Georgia. 

I don't think balance is going to matter as much with the 9 game schedule. You're still playing 6 other conference games every season that you can manipulate to achieve strength of schedule balance. Eventually, you are going to have play everyone in the conference every two years, regardless. So maybe you balance out Bama having Auburn, TN, and LSU every year with not having to play Texas and Georgia in the same season. If you have weaker permanent rivals, all it means is that you get a steady rotation of stronger teams on the rest of the schedule. You can't hide in this conference any longer.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

There's also the weird ones like Florida, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Kentucky that don't just have 3 ready made rivals that you can easily name.

You can't name 3 of Florida's rivals?

Posted

I’m not sure what it says that we have 3 obvious rivals in a conference we’ve been in for 1 year…and those rivals only have a combined 49 years in this conference. 
I think it says “you can run, but you can’t hide” besides the obligatory “we’re Texas”

Posted

We don't really know yet what the 6 random matchups will be but it makes sense if it is flipping around in some fashion the teams every school hasn't played the last 2 years, especially to get Texas and OU to play all the teams we haven't yet as SEC teams.

For us our 2026 schedule might be:

OU in Dallas (we're the away team I believe)

@aggy

Arkansas

Auburn

@Tennessee

South Carolina

Ole Miss

@LSU

Mizzou

I'm not sure balancing the 6 random teams everyone faces won't take effect until 2028. To me, the balance criteria is so you don't get 3 traditional SEC powers as rivals. LSU, Bama, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Texas, and OU would be in that category. Next tier is upstarts/decent teams like Ole Miss, Auburn, aggy, you could move Florida to this tier I guess. The final is the lower end of the SEC: Kentucky, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mizzou, Miss State, Vandy. It makes sense to give each team one of each. 

Again, this is all spitballing. We'll find out more later. 

 

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