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1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

PK has shutdown osu and Georgia twice.  He’s not the issue

If this year plays out like yesterday, he will be the DC on two of our top five defenses of all time. He’s definitely not the issue and frankly why and what’s required to have a shot at a title. He’s A+ legit.

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22 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

We had the better overall offensive performance and plan in both Ohio State matchups (and the second Georgia matchup) and went 0-3. That is the toughest pill to swallow for me. We had them beat in a variety of different ways and made the 2 or 3 mistakes at the worst times we couldn't afford to make.

Ryan Day didn't do anything special in either matchup. He went into his shell, let Jeremiah Smith be a non-factor again and we are the ones who handed him the game. He didn't sit around Columbus all offseason gameplanning for a 200 yard performance on offense.

It would be a different story if we were just getting our doors blasted off and outclassed in these games. They have all been winnable aside from Georgia part 1, and even that one was a one-possession game in the second half.

I think Sark has won 20 straight games against unranked opponents going back to 2022. 10-6 against top 25 teams. It's the top 1% we are coming face to face with and we have to find a way to get over the top. 

You take the premise that Texas out performed UGA2 and both tOSU games then it comes down to red zone and his fourth and go for its specifically.  
 

If Texas performed 50/50 in the red zone, even with arch’s nonsense we win. 

and imo, when the team is struggling you have to scheme to win.

Texas was so far from winning those three games and yet “this close” too if sark wasn’t a fucking meathead in the red zone.
 

Sark failed big time. 

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17 minutes ago, troph said:

If this year plays out like yesterday, he will be the DC on two of our top five defenses of all time. He’s definitely not the issue and frankly why and what’s required to have a shot at a title. He’s A+ legit.

Not all that familiar with PK, but I've seen his product and it's legit. Makes sense to me that after this year, someone is going to throw even bigger money at him to become a head coach. Will we be able to continue what he's started here? At this level???

Will we still get the same quality of defensive recruits or will they be following him to wherever? You'd like to think we can keep it going at this high level but there are no guarantees - unless...

PK stays on as HC. He hires a DC and then guess what, we finally get an OC..

A better option would be Sark getting an OC and then if PK leaves, get a DC, but I'm not convinced Sark will ever get an OC, and I think that's a worse option than PK as HC with a high profile up and coming OC. Those may well be our two options at the end of the season.

I get the feeling Sark is not spending enough time with his QB. That cross field throw on fourth and three took the cake. The kid shoulda known better. The fucking QB keepers up the middle instead of an RPO? How fucking lazy was that call? How lazy was it that we haven't practiced that situation thirty times during the off season? Give me Arch and a sprint to the far sideline flag. How long are we going to watch these Sark busts against good teams? 

Or am I wrong about all this and PK's not going anywhere? 

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4 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

 

Baxter off tackle left is a TD. Arch reads the D and goes off guard left it’s a TD too. 

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9 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Not all that familiar with PK, but I've seen his product and it's legit. Makes sense to me that after this year, someone is going to throw even bigger money at him to become a head coach. Will we be able to continue what he's started here? At this level???

Will we still get the same quality of defensive recruits or will they be following him to wherever? You'd like to think we can keep it going at this high level but there are no guarantees - unless...

PK stays on as HC. He hires a DC and then guess what, we finally get an OC..

A better option would be Sark getting an OC and then if PK leaves, get a DC, but I'm not convinced Sark will ever get an OC, and I think that's a worse option than PK as HC with a high profile up and coming OC. Those may well be our two options at the end of the season.

I get the feeling Sark is not spending enough time with his QB. That cross field throw on fourth and three took the cake. The kid shoulda known better. The fucking QB keepers up the middle instead of an RPO? How fucking lazy was that call? How lazy was it that we haven't practiced that situation thirty times during the off season? Give me Arch and a sprint to the far sideline flag. How long are we going to watch these Sark busts against good teams? 

Or am I wrong about all this and PK's not going anywhere? 

I thought I read PK isn’t a flight risk. He’s not looking for the HC position. 

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13 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Not all that familiar with PK, but I've seen his product and it's legit. Makes sense to me that after this year, someone is going to throw even bigger money at him to become a head coach. Will we be able to continue what he's started here? At this level???

Will we still get the same quality of defensive recruits or will they be following him to wherever? You'd like to think we can keep it going at this high level but there are no guarantees - unless...

PK stays on as HC. He hires a DC and then guess what, we finally get an OC..

A better option would be Sark getting an OC and then if PK leaves, get a DC, but I'm not convinced Sark will ever get an OC, and I think that's a worse option than PK as HC with a high profile up and coming OC. Those may well be our two options at the end of the season.

I get the feeling Sark is not spending enough time with his QB. That cross field throw on fourth and three took the cake. The kid shoulda known better. The fucking QB keepers up the middle instead of an RPO? How fucking lazy was that call? How lazy was it that we haven't practiced that situation thirty times during the off season? Give me Arch and a sprint to the far sideline flag. How long are we going to watch these Sark busts against good teams? 

Or am I wrong about all this and PK's not going anywhere? 

PK I’ve read maybe here doesn’t want to be a hc.  I mean dude shut down Jeremiah smith two games in a row

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Posted
45 minutes ago, troph said:

Florida was so far from winning those three games and yet “this close” too if Billy wasn’t a fucking meathead in the red zone.

I feel this deeply.   I get so ragey when I think how good we could be if one man’s petulant ego about his shitty play calling abilities did not stop us from true success.   

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11 minutes ago, troph said:

Baxter off tackle left is a TD. Arch reads the D and goes off guard left it’s a TD too. 

Hell Baxter off tackle right is a TD too absent an NFL all pro tackle … nm Downs is on the right side. 

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17 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Not all that familiar with PK, but I've seen his product and it's legit. Makes sense to me that after this year, someone is going to throw even bigger money at him to become a head coach. Will we be able to continue what he's started here? At this level???

Will we still get the same quality of defensive recruits or will they be following him to wherever? You'd like to think we can keep it going at this high level but there are no guarantees - unless...

PK stays on as HC. He hires a DC and then guess what, we finally get an OC..

A better option would be Sark getting an OC and then if PK leaves, get a DC, but I'm not convinced Sark will ever get an OC, and I think that's a worse option than PK as HC with a high profile up and coming OC. Those may well be our two options at the end of the season.

I get the feeling Sark is not spending enough time with his QB. That cross field throw on fourth and three took the cake. The kid shoulda known better. The fucking QB keepers up the middle instead of an RPO? How fucking lazy was that call? How lazy was it that we haven't practiced that situation thirty times during the off season? Give me Arch and a sprint to the far sideline flag. How long are we going to watch these Sark busts against good teams? 

Or am I wrong about all this and PK's not going anywhere? 

Love PK but he's kind of an introvert and doesn't hold the room like a head coach should. If you ever listened to Jeff Choate speak when he was here  you see a head coach. Contrast with PK, you see that he's comfortable in the spotlight but he doesn't want it. 

And what others have echoed,  we're all pretty sure he wants to be a DC for life and now he probably enjoys less recruiting with the unlimited coaches and they can put someone else on the road. 

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Look dude if you don’t think sark is an issue in big games I don’t know what to tell you. And you also used aggy as an example of what I don’t know. Our offense scored 17 that’s game and also somehow scored 7 for aggy too.

I simply pointed out the absolute fallacies in your statement.

 

if you don’t think atm was a “big game” or that our defense didn’t have some HUGE goal line stops in that game that helped us win games and make it to the playoffs where we had more HUGE stops to help us advance, then maybe you should stop smoking crack.

 

Sark is a LLLOOOONNNNGGG away from perfect, but he’s all a LLLOOOOONNNNGGG WAY from what we had before him. More than likely the guy we have after him is gonna be worse than Sark.
 

(BTW, you might wanna check who started this shitshow of a thread)

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29 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Not all that familiar with PK, but I've seen his product and it's legit. Makes sense to me that after this year, someone is going to throw even bigger money at him to become a head coach. Will we be able to continue what he's started here? At this level???

Will we still get the same quality of defensive recruits or will they be following him to wherever? You'd like to think we can keep it going at this high level but there are no guarantees - unless...

PK stays on as HC. He hires a DC and then guess what, we finally get an OC..

A better option would be Sark getting an OC and then if PK leaves, get a DC, but I'm not convinced Sark will ever get an OC, and I think that's a worse option than PK as HC with a high profile up and coming OC. Those may well be our two options at the end of the season.

I get the feeling Sark is not spending enough time with his QB. That cross field throw on fourth and three took the cake. The kid shoulda known better. The fucking QB keepers up the middle instead of an RPO? How fucking lazy was that call? How lazy was it that we haven't practiced that situation thirty times during the off season? Give me Arch and a sprint to the far sideline flag. How long are we going to watch these Sark busts against good teams? 

Or am I wrong about all this and PK's not going anywhere? 

You don’t fire Sark for PK.

 

Sark is why this team is loaded with talent. You lose him, you’ll have an immediate talent drain.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

It's the old "Let's wait for the outcome to decide if this is a big game or not" stance.  

There are big games where the talent edge is decidedly in our favor and big games where it’s even. Oklahoma state for the big 12 and A&M, arky and a few OU games come to mind. As do the UW, UGA and tOSU games. The only game where the talent was even and we won was at Bama. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

signed Charlie Strong and Tom Herman

 

1 minute ago, Your Mom said:

Then why have't they?

Actually tom was a star monger. He had highly ranked classes.   He just didn’t believe in offensive linemen and he was a coked out asshole

 

 

Oh and we pay players now. 

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Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said:

 

Actually tom was a star monger. He had highly ranked classes.   He just didn’t believe in offensive linemen and he was a coked out asshole

 

 

Oh and we pay players now. 

So what you're saying is, he couldn't recruit here?

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Posted (edited)

Reality is Sark is a great OC, an average to above average HC. 

Right now he's our Franklin, and after a decade of misery thats not bad. 

I think he's struggling to understand the nuance between designing the offensive system, and running the moment by moment Offense so he can focus on being a great HC . He needs his Gus Malzahn 

If he does this everyone wins , he just has to learn to let go a bit 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, troph said:

There are big games where the talent edge is decidedly in our favor and big games where it’s even. Oklahoma state for the big 12 and A&M, arky and a few OU games come to mind. As do the UW, UGA and tOSU games. The only game where the talent was even and we won was at Bama. 

UW had 10 players drafted that year to our 11.  They had the better QB.  They had 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders.  How is the talent edge decidedly in our favor there?  

Edit... Maybe you meant them as even with us there and I misread it.

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Sark desperately needs someone to take off some of the pressure. How about a QB Coach. Someone who's focus would be to study game plans and help Manning with audibles when Sark makes another asscall. Someone to work with Arch on the sidelines to go over the vids etc of the previous drive. What are our last four or five starting QBs doing these days? Great job in Austin. Good money.

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3 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

UW had 10 players drafted that year to our 11.  They had the better QB.  They had 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders.  How is the talent edge decidedly in our favor there?  

Edit... Maybe you meant them as even with us there and I misread it.

You misread. There are big games where we have the talent advantage but it’s still a big game. Ok state, OU, Arky and A&M come to mind. There are other big games with even talent. UW, Bama, UGA, tOSU and OU at times come to mind. Sark can win the big game, but except for at Bama, he’s lost all the even talent ones. 

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Who are we gonna get better than Sark?  Who's even out there that's clearly better than Sark, regardless of availability?  

Barring some scandal or Jimbo-like flameout, he will coach here for a long time.  

 

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1 minute ago, bschoolprof said:

Who are we gonna get better than Sark?  Who's even out there that's clearly better than Sark, regardless of availability?  

Barring some scandal or Jimbo-like flameout, he will coach here for a long time.  

 

I think everyone knows that and expects that. He’s Day and Kirby before they broke through and they still have their maddening traits, Day almost gave us the tie with his asinine pass twice with under 3 mins to go BS.

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IDK how much you want sark to do out there, he gives arch the plays and options out of them and Arch is executing it, he is obviously executing it poorly including the RPO and audible when he sees something at the line.

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Just now, immamac said:

IDK how much you want sark to do out there, he gives arch the plays and options out of them and Arch is executing it, he is obviously executing it poorly including the RPO and audible when he sees something at the line.

Are we sure he's allowed to audible?

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This talks mostly about Texas. One guy comments that Sark is the best play caller in the country but was babying Manning. Another good point made was that OSU did a hell of a lot better job prepping their new QB than we did ours. CBS Sports

 

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10 minutes ago, troph said:

I think everyone knows that and expects that. He’s Day and Kirby before they broke through and they still have their maddening traits, Day almost gave us the tie with his asinine pass twice with under 3 mins to go BS.

Smart is in year 9 at UGa and Day is in year 6, but inherited pretty much a machine from Urb the perv.

Sark inherited basically a dumpster fire.

Here I'm not arguing Sark needs more time to develop as a coach (but couldn't hurt), but that our nemeses lately have been pretty plug and play with personnel and system for quite some time.  We seem pretty close to that on D, not so much on O.

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9 minutes ago, immamac said:

IDK how much you want sark to do out there, he gives arch the plays and options out of them and Arch is executing it, he is obviously executing it poorly including the RPO and audible when he sees something at the line.

Whatever he can or can’t do sorta doesn’t matter this is a third year QB hand picked by sark and couldn’t hit the broad side of the barn. Basic touch passes failed hell not even tried. He couldn’t even look at the line and see the mismatch to the left on 4th and 1 and just sneak up the RGs asshole. The lack of evidence of proper preparation of QB1 is all on sark.

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1 minute ago, troph said:

Whatever he can or can’t do sorta doesn’t matter this is a third year QB hand picked by sark and couldn’t hit the broad side of the barn. Basic touch passes failed hell not even tried. He couldn’t even look at the line and see the mismatch to the left on 4th and 1 and just sneak up the RGs asshole. The lack of evidence of proper preparation of QB1 is all on sark.

I don't think they failed to prepare him.

I think he failed to execute.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

We had the better overall offensive performance and plan in both Ohio State matchups (and the second Georgia matchup) and went 0-3. That is the toughest pill to swallow for me. We had them beat in a variety of different ways and made the 2 or 3 mistakes at the worst times we couldn't afford to make.

Ryan Day didn't do anything special in either matchup. He went into his shell, let Jeremiah Smith be a non-factor again and we are the ones who handed him the game. He didn't sit around Columbus all offseason gameplanning for a 200 yard performance on offense.

We absolutely did not have the better gameplan.

Ohio State was inviting us to run the ball between the 20s all game. They kept a relatively light box and went exotic in the backend to confuse Arch, then tightened up in the redzone to shut down our run game and put the pressure on Sark and Arch to execute. Baxter and Wisner ran hard but we did not have the better gameplan just because we had more total yards. And I strongly suspect Day has figured out that A) Sark will go through stretches where he abandons the run for the pass even when the former is working, and B) Texas can be counted on to leave points off the board in the redzone.

On offense Ohio State purposely played conservatively with runs and quick passes. Our defense did well but they produced zero turnovers, zero sacks and just 1 TFL all game which was exactly what Ohio State needed to win with our offensive struggles on the other end. They didn't let our defense generate any big momentum-turning plays and they didn't risk Sayin making a big mistake.

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17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Smart is in year 9 at UGa and Day is in year 6, but inherited pretty much a machine from Urb the perv.

Sark inherited basically a dumpster fire.

Here I'm not arguing Sark needs more time to develop as a coach (but couldn't hurt), but that our nemeses lately have been pretty plug and play with personnel and system for quite some time.  We seem pretty close to that on D, not so much on O.

Sark is 50 years old and been a hc at 3 different stops.  

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14 minutes ago, troph said:

Whatever he can or can’t do sorta doesn’t matter this is a third year QB hand picked by sark and couldn’t hit the broad side of the barn. Basic touch passes failed hell not even tried. He couldn’t even look at the line and see the mismatch to the left on 4th and 1 and just sneak up the RGs asshole. The lack of evidence of proper preparation of QB1 is all on sark.

This is where I’m kind of at. arch is starting his 3rd year in the system. What we saw called yesterday was vanilla bullshit that shouldn’t have been called from the get go. We should have been running our normal amount of pre snap movement and such. Arch being bad didn’t help at all but going vanilla as fuck and not giving him simple options really sucked in that environment. It made playing defense and covering so much easier. 

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6 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Straight from ChatGPT, herm the worm:

 

2017: No. 26 nationally.

2018: No. 3 nationally.

2019: No. 3 nationally.

2020: No. 9 nationally.

2021: No. 15 nationally on 247’s final page. Note this class was split across the coaching change after Texas fired Herman on Jan 2, 2021, and some outlets reported it at No. 17 at the time.

 

this was pre nil  pre sec    Also that Mack brown guy could recruit when he wanted to as well 

FWIW, chatGPT is not authoritative and doesn't know facts. It's just really REALLY sure that it's right, even when it's not

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

This is where I’m kind of at. arch is starting his 3rd year in the system. What we saw called yesterday was vanilla bullshit that shouldn’t have been called from the get go. We should have been running our normal amount of pre snap movement and such. Arch being bad didn’t help at all but going vanilla as fuck and not giving him simple options really sucked in that environment. It made playing defense and covering so much easier. 

It would have worked if Arch had had a just OK game.

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about HC/OC, what exactly does Milwee do here? 

We've seen problematic footwork and throwing mechanics pretty consistently, which would seem to indicate lack of QB coaching from the putative QB coach.

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