Texas BBQ

[LateAughtsHorn 588]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

One interesting thing about BBQ is that, unlike chili, there is no case to be made that it is a "Texas" thing.  It's not even an "American" thing.

Beyond that, all other regional styles of American BBQ (Carolina, Memphis, Kansas City) incorporate sauce.  You'll even find sauce in East and South Texas.

The sauce argument is stupid.

It really is. I used to be a big "if it has sauce it isn't good bbq" guy. Then I traveled and had some pretty damn good bbq in Kansas City and Memphis and realized how cringey that whole train of thought is.

[jimmyjazz 45055]

7 minutes ago, LateAughtsHorn said:

It really is. I used to be a big "if it has sauce it isn't good bbq" guy. Then I traveled and had some pretty damn good bbq in Kansas City and Memphis and realized how cringey that whole train of thought is.

I grew up between KC and Memphis, a little closer to KC.  That was the BBQ we ate.  Very sweet.  It was all we knew.  Getting out and traveling to other regions was eye-opening.  I still don't like that eastern Carolina vinegar sauce, but other than that . . .

[utee94 15671]

There's a difference between saying "good brisket doesn't need sauce" and saying "any BBQ with sauce on it is bad."

Regardless, I don't give a shit how anyone eats their BBQ.  When I make brisket (or any other BBQ) I always make sauce available on the side.

[BurntOrange&White 38710]

3 hours ago, utee94 said:

There's a difference between saying "good brisket doesn't need sauce" and saying "any BBQ with sauce on it is bad."

Regardless, I don't give a shit how anyone eats their BBQ.  When I make brisket (or any other BBQ) I always make sauce available on the side.

Pretty much this....brisket is a texas thing so the saying makes sense....but with regards to pork and chicken do whatever you like. I love saucy ribs and I love dry rub ribs. 

[tx 3 putt 74768]

On 1/1/2024 at 12:53 PM, Texzilla58 said:

But why do you care if someone does? Who gives a shit if someone likes ketchup in their hot dog or pineapple on their pizza or sauce on their barbecue?

[tx 3 putt 74768]

The Sauce War has begun 

Edited January 4 by tx 3 putt

[tx 3 putt 74768]

23 hours ago, Seasick Sailor said:

Y'all mind if I interrupt this slap fight over fucking sauce for some BBQ news?

 

 

 

We're popping up Sunday at Lil' Danny Speedo's Go Fly a Kite Lounge, less than a mile from our future home. Grave City will be spinning vinyl, booze will be flowing and games will be on the tvs. Come hang and enjoy the day. 

Lil' Danny Speedo's Go Fly a Kite Lounge 
823 Dumble St 
2pm till sold out.

 

@UTPhil2006 

[tx 3 putt 74768]

[SurlyGator 817]

24 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Bugun the Sauce War has 

FIFY

[BurntOrange&White 38710]

On 1/1/2024 at 12:53 PM, Texzilla58 said:

But why do you care if someone does? Who gives a shit if someone likes ketchup in their hot dog or pineapple on their pizza or sauce on their barbecue?

You had me until the bolded. gtfo. pineapple does not belong on pizza.

 

[Da Fino 2654]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You had me until the bolded. gtfo. pineapple does not belong on pizza.

 

Pineapple with pepperoni is pretty good. I think that bullshit Canadian bacon sullied my early liaisons with it. 

[BurntOrange&White 38710]

1 minute ago, Da Fino said:

Pineapple with pepperoni is pretty good. I think that bullshit Canadian bacon sullied my early liaisons with it. 

[tx 3 putt 74768]

Truth bbq, 2:20 line. It was very busy …

 

bbq was good, but wasn’t as good as my past two visits to pinkerton’s

pinkerton’s burnt ends melted in my mouth, truth not so much. Brisket and Ribs were both better at pinkerton’s my last two stops 

[NoName 16196]

Damn. Go to L&L, they are a true treasure. So damn excited for their B&M

 

[C-Man 26535]

Y’all love to make this thread an abortion just like this photo of Helberg’s bbq is an abortion. The difference is, it tasted phenomenal, unlike this shit sandwich for the last page.



Bonus points for the gal taking our order telling me they don’t support Baylor despite their proximity to that Baptist shithole.

They might not support Baylor but they’re pretty churchy. Loved the food but there was Christian music and a vibe I couldn’t put my finger on. That fucking smoked chicken was tits though.

[C-Man 26535]

SIAP but I scrolled back a few days and didn’t see anything. John Brotherton is in a dire health situation. I don’t know too much but what I’ve heard second-hand doesn’t sound good at all. John’s a fantastic dude and I hope he pulls through.

[tx 3 putt 74768]

13 hours ago, C-Man said:

SIAP but I scrolled back a few days and didn’t see anything. John Brotherton is in a dire health situation. I don’t know too much but what I’ve heard second-hand doesn’t sound good at all. John’s a fantastic dude and I hope he pulls through.

per willow bbq :

We have a pop-up today.
Info below. But this post is about a dear friend of ours. John Brotherton, @briskit_wispuhrer right now needs y'alls prayers, P.M.A., Hare Krishna chant, whatever it is that you do. He's in I.C.U. right now and could use the positive energy of the universe to pull though. This dude has been there for me, for us, for his community and the bbq community as a whole. Please get well soon, you're seriously the wrong one to fuck with. We love you John.

 

[tx 3 putt 74768]

Line for wilow bbq is at least 50 deep, maybe 60

in case anyone was thinking of coming over 

[Jerry Callo 8626]

Line for wilow bbq is at least 50 deep, maybe 60
in case anyone was thinking of coming over 

Good for him.

[tx 3 putt 74768]

9 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

47 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Line for wilow bbq is at least 50 deep, maybe 60
in case anyone was thinking of coming over 

Good for him.

 

Line hasn't let up, wrapped around the building behind me 

[Texzilla58 4683]

Show us some food when you get some. Interested in a Big Red pork belly bite though vanilla seems odd.

[tx 3 putt 74768]

59 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:

Show us some food when you get some. Interested in a Big Red pork belly bite though vanilla seems odd.

Shit, I forgot to order that !!!!

[tx 3 putt 74768]

Brisket was very good / borderline elite 

jalapeño cheddar sausage was great. i avoid sausage at bbq place like @Patricio Swayze avoids vegetables. 

very good crowd size, he has a following for sure. $30 for that plate 

 

[tx 3 putt 74768]

On 1/6/2024 at 9:15 PM, C-Man said:

SIAP but I scrolled back a few days and didn’t see anything. John Brotherton is in a dire health situation. I don’t know too much but what I’ve heard second-hand doesn’t sound good at all. John’s a fantastic dude and I hope he pulls through.

 

[C-Man 26535]

13 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Thanks. Haven't gotten any updates to what I heard the other night but it sounds like it's going to be a long, tough recovery if John pulls through. Russell Roegels set up a Go Fund Me if you're so inclined: https://www.gofundme.com/f/john-and-brenda-brotherton-need-your-help?utm_campaign=m_pd+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer

 

[GreenspointTexas 9353]

Stroke?

[tx 3 putt 74768]

Having just experienced a medical event that came out of nowhere, that go fund me money is just amazing

[Trey3216 15298]

On 12/31/2023 at 7:40 PM, Patricio Swayze said:

Y’all love to make this thread an abortion just like this photo of Helberg’s bbq is an abortion. The difference is, it tasted phenomenal, unlike this shit sandwich for the last page.



Bonus points for the gal taking our order telling me they don’t support Baylor despite their proximity to that Baptist shithole.

Hate to break it to ya, but they are a sponsor both inside McLane and Foster Pavilion.  

[DallasSooner 276]

Went to Panther City BBQ on Thursday last week. Last time I was there it was just a trailer; now they have a full blown restaurant and it was the best BBQ I've had in quite a while.  Brisket was solid, pork belly popper was outstanding and the jalapeno cheddar sausage may be the best I have ever had.  I won't give them any points for plating as the dude had it all over on one side of the tray but you can easily see why they are in the Top Ten when you eat there.  

 

Edited January 9 by DallasSooner

[DallasSooner 276]

Went down the street to Brix (my first trip) they just opened a new building about a 1/3 of the mile south of Panther City. Not sure how I would feel about that personally but I guess you build where you can.  Anyway; we ordered a few different items.  I wasn't blown away by anything on the plate but the beef belly burnt ends were my favorite thing we had.  I really wanted to love the Porkchetta thing they make but it fell flat in my opinion; not sure what I was expecting I really think it needs it's own special sauce. Everything was just fine, but not special.  Guy who took our order didn't seem too interested in us; that's not usually a good sign. 

[C-Man 26535]

15 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Stroke?

Sounded more like a heart attack to me based on what I heard. The lack of updates is worrisome, however.

[Jerry Callo 8626]

Stopped by Brotherton's Black Iron Barbecue for lunch today. It was busier than I've seen in before - local press is covering the story, so there are probably more customers for that reason. Had a nice two meat plate and grabbed a pound of pork ribs and a pound of jerk chicken thighs to go.

[HalfSack Horn 149]

3 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Stopped by Brotherton's Black Iron Barbecue for lunch today. It was busier than I've seen in before - local press is covering the story, so there are probably more customers for that reason. Had a nice two meat plate and grabbed a pound of pork ribs and a pound of jerk chicken thighs to go.

Got here just now and got a 2 meat plate also.  I live close and this is as crowded as I’ve seen it in awhile.   Bbq community is pretty tight knit.  
 

I’ve spoken with John numerous times.  He’s a down to earth nice guy.  

[utee94 15671]

He's in ICU in a medically induced coma.  I'm nobody's medical pro so I don't know what might be a root cause to result in that action, but that doesn't sound very positive to me.  Hoping for the best for him and his family.

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/pflugerville/gofundme-launched-for-pflugerville-bbq-restaurant-owner/

Edited January 10 by utee94

[TonyTexas 10378]

On 1/8/2024 at 12:19 PM, C-Man said:

Thanks. Haven't gotten any updates to what I heard the other night but it sounds like it's going to be a long, tough recovery if John pulls through. Russell Roegels set up a Go Fund Me if you're so inclined: https://www.gofundme.com/f/john-and-brenda-brotherton-need-your-help?utm_campaign=m_pd+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer

A lot of people like to shit on Ronnie Killen but he made a $5000 donation which makes him ok in my book. 

[jimmyjazz 45055]

Dang, Ronnie.  Well done.

[C-Man 26535]

28 minutes ago, utee94 said:

He's in ICU in a medically induced coma.  I'm nobody's medical pro so I don't know what might be a root cause to result in that action, but that doesn't sound very positive to me.  Hoping for the best for him and his family.

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/pflugerville/gofundme-launched-for-pflugerville-bbq-restaurant-owner/

Yeah, he's been in the coma since going to the hospital last week. They've brought him out of it a couple of times but he was having seizures so they were forced to put him back in the coma. I think some very, very hard decisions are possibly being made by his family in the very near future. I don't think this is going to have a good outcome, which sucks because John is revered by EVERYBODY in the Texas BBQ scene.

[deadshank 24644]

On 1/9/2024 at 9:12 AM, tx 3 putt said:

Having just experienced a medical event that came out of nowhere, that go fund me money is just amazing

Putting your pecker in a pencil sharpener ain’t “out of nowhere.”  

[HornOnTheBayou 8816]

Did he ever post here or on the other sites? I swear I remember the owner of Brotherton's coming on here. Or maybe it was just somebody associated with the restaurant.

[tx 3 putt 74768]

3 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

A lot of people like to shit on Ronnie Killen but he made a $5000 donation which makes him ok in my book. 

amazing 

[Deej 76080]

4 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

A lot of people like to shit on Ronnie Killen but he made a $5000 donation which makes him ok in my book. 

That's like 20 pounds of brisket. 

[C-Man 26535]

Did he ever post here or on the other sites? I swear I remember the owner of Brotherton's coming on here. Or maybe it was just somebody associated with the restaurant.

Think it was somebody who cooked with John somewhere. I won’t mention him by name here — can’t remember his handle — but he’s the why who opened the restaurant in Galveston and then also was cooking Q in Houston after that.

[Jerry Callo 8626]

6 hours ago, C-Man said:

Think it was somebody who cooked with John somewhere. I won’t mention him by name here — can’t remember his handle — but he’s the why who opened the restaurant in Galveston and then also was cooking Q in Houston after that.

ChampKind.  He was the head pitmaster at Dozier's in Fulshear after his Galveston restaurant closed.  I heard that he just recently left Texas and moved to New Mexico.   

[Jerry Callo 8626]

15 hours ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Did he ever post here or on the other sites? I swear I remember the owner of Brotherton's coming on here. Or maybe it was just somebody associated with the restaurant.

In addition to ChampKind, I believe John Brotherton's former business partner in Liberty Barbecue might have posted here as well.

[baboso 6030]

Things I learned on Shaggy/Surly: 1. Investing in BBQ restaurants is a high risk venture.

[tx 3 putt 74768]

2 minutes ago, baboso said:

Things I learned on Shaggy/Surly: 1. Investing in BBQ restaurants is a high risk venture.

[C-Man 26535]

1 hour ago, Jerry Callo said:

ChampKind.  He was the head pitmaster at Dozier's in Fulshear after his Galveston restaurant closed.  I heard that he just recently left Texas and moved to New Mexico.   

Yeah, that was it. Pretty sure this is also accurate that he's moved to NM. I actually met Champ at our charity BBQ cookoff in Dallas last year. Since he is a "pro" he wasn't competing. He was cooking with @luke duke and serving samples to our attendees. Good guy.

[dcbc 14179]

21 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Yeah, that was it. Pretty sure this is also accurate that he's moved to NM. I actually met Champ at our charity BBQ cookoff in Dallas last year. Since he is a "pro" he wasn't competing. He was cooking with @luke duke and serving samples to our attendees. Good guy.

I dropped by the ill-fated Galveston establishment.  He was very nice to us, we people from the internet.  The food was good, particularly the "JM Cheesy Squash."  That said, I stand in quiet solidarity with my Surly brethren who took it in the plumbs on that deal.

Edited January 11 by dcbc

[RMac5 1541]

Champ Kind thought he was a bbq savant, which he wasn’t!  Hope he isn’t fucking up a restaurant in NM that I like to patronize.  I will be in Santa Fe in a few weeks, hope he’s not there. Be curious if he’s trying to put a Q place there or if he jumped ship on the restaurant biz altogether.

[dcbc 14179]

8 minutes ago, RMac5 said:

Champ Kind thought he was a bbq savant, which he wasn’t!  Hope he isn’t fucking up a restaurant in NM that I like to patronize.  I will be in Santa Fe in a few weeks, hope he’s not there. Be curious if he’s trying to put a Q place there or if he jumped ship on the restaurant biz altogether.

According to the instagram post I saw, he's out of the restaurant business in any capacity.

Edited January 11 by dcbc