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2 hours ago, mdmost said:

Gilroy even says Disney told him that streaming is dead.

Just because Disney can't do streaming right (i.e., MCU and SW) doesn't mean it has failed.

That does not bode well for them actually finishing the Percy Jackson series (which is perfectly fine for streaming). 

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It just struck me that when Davo tells Perrin his son will either “learn or be led” that he saying his son is just like Perrin….and Perrin doesn’t get it at all. Davo is amused. 

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9 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Then they make a new series of "Young Luthen" in the style of Indiana Jones, showing us how he became a collector of antiquities before being drafted into the military. 

 

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4 hours ago, mdmost said:

And yet Perrin is having sex with his wife blitzed out on pills and booze at the end of the show. 

 

Evidently there is a deleted scene that better explains Perrin and that scene. Supposedly Perrin was getting questioned often by the ISB and covered for Mothma every time. When Mothma was making her speech the ISB ordered Sculdin to cut the feed because he owned a broadcast station, and he refused. Both explanations totally change the scene with Perrin and Sculdin's wife, as both have lost their spouse to the rebellion.

 

https://youtu.be/f6D4-Qjs-Io?feature=shared

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The story goes that in a previous edit of the Andor S2 plot, Senator Mothma's Speech was broadcast live to the Republic. Davo Sculdun had a more prominent role in S2 & he owned the Republic broadcast service Mon's speech was being viewed on & was told to shutdown the broadcast to the galaxy. Mon however had compelled Davo to keep the feed on so he refused & the Empire was forced to shutdown the Senate feed at the source - which is what we all saw. This was all cut from the script... however in a surprise twist, all of this STILL HAPPENED off camera & Davo disappeared after refusing the Empire's wishes... leaving Runai on Coruscant, just like Perrin was left when Mon left. So the 2 took a car home together since neither's spouses were coming back... & they got drunk.

 

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12 hours ago, mdmost said:

And yet Perrin is having sex with his wife blitzed out on pills and booze at the end of the show. 

I get the feeling Davo didn’t really care that much. 

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On 6/3/2025 at 7:02 PM, Hate said:

And by the way…she needed the money for a deposit. She didn’t need it just papered over.

 

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Tay S2 be all:

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I finally finished Andor earlier this week. It’s the best Star Wars content since 1981, by far. And unlike pretty much all Star Wars media since the original trilogy, it enhances rather than undermines the original story and characters. Just a phenomenal series that added well-crafted depth and weight to the lighthearted hero adventure of the OT. 

The only downside is that this will get my hopes up and I’ll probably end up enduring several new shittastic movies or series that suck as bad as Obi-Wan and the sequels. 

Andor -> Rogue One -> Original trilogy tells an interesting story. The rest is lame fan fiction and I assume it never happened. Canon is subjective. We don’t have to accept a bunch of hacky horseshit just because Lucas or Disney rubber stamped it. 

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31 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

I’ll probably end up enduring several new shittastic movies or series that suck as bad as Obi-Wan and the sequels.

SW as a live action show is donezo.  Ain't gonna see anything live action on Disney+ after Ashoka season 2

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On second watch, you really get to see Saw's descent into paranoid schizophrenia, both from actual threats and from... well, huffing.

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32 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Andor -> Rogue One -> Original trilogy tells an interesting story. The rest is lame fan fiction and I assume it never happened.

If you haven't seen Rebels, you're denying yourself one of the best Star Wars things ever. There's a reason Gilroy kept his story in line with that show, even when he discarded other canon events, particularly when Kennedy was saying "yes" to everything he asked for.

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8 hours ago, Rimbo said:

If you haven't seen Rebels, you're denying yourself one of the best Star Wars things ever.

Don’t talk about them stupid video games, or, or novels… comic books or any of that fucking crap. I see enough of that shit.

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On 6/6/2025 at 10:27 PM, BrickHorn said:

Don’t talk about them stupid video games, or, or novels… comic books or any of that fucking crap. I see enough of that shit.

honestly, the Jedi Survivor games are a ton of fun and some good Star Wars storytelling. Outlaws is a really well-realized open world environment and decently fun game. The early Vader comics are pretty great too, they fill in the shit storm that was waiting for Vader between ANH and ESB

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I had forgotten how great the scene is when Andor goes to see Luthen at the shop. Luthen is constantly pushing Andor to be better for the rebellion. 

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On 5/16/2025 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Callo said:

Its not going to happen and it shouldn't happen, but I can imagine the greatness of it.

Star Wars was my first movie at the theater when was seven years old - the reason I'll never refer to it as Episode IV - A New Hope.  I'll always love it.

My kids refer to it as A New Hope. I always respond, you mean Star Wars?  And we have this recurring circular argument. 

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I’ve just completed another rewatch of the entire series and I have to say, this is my favorite show of all time. I loved Sopranos but hate the kind of people I was made to feel sympathetic to. I love Ted Lasso, but it has a silliness to it that just doesn’t work in the real world. This is just different. This hits on several levels. It’s an absolute masterpiece in story telling. 

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17 minutes ago, Hate said:

I’ve just completed another rewatch of the entire series and I have to say, this is my favorite show of all time. I loved Sopranos but hate the kind of people I was made to feel sympathetic to. I love Ted Lasso, but it has a silliness to it that just doesn’t work in the real world. This is just different. This hits on several levels. It’s an absolute masterpiece in story telling. 

Check out LA if you want another rewatch. It's still in the build up, not quite to the big massacre yet

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Watching Andor S1, The Eye. It would have been so perfect if Cassian, upon learning Teramyn was a Storm Trooper, uttered,  "Fuck, he can't hit shit with that blaster."

 

Enjoying the rewatch bigtime.

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2 hours ago, Js1 said:

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/star-wars-andor-mon-mothma-dance-meme
 

 

Mon Mothma’s AndorWedding Death-Dance Is the Song of Summer

“Niamos!” was designed to show a revolutionary’s emotional spiral after consigning her dearest friend to assassination. Now it’s a party meme.

This is so awesome! I’m so sad this series is completed. I’ve already watched Season 2 four times. I’m fighting off the urge to watch it again with hockey and bourbon. 

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19 minutes ago, Hate said:

This is so awesome! I’m so sad this series is completed. I’ve already watched Season 2 four times. I’m fighting off the urge to watch it again with hockey and bourbon. 

You might need to see a doctor 😁

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Finished season 2 this weekend and followed it immediately with  a Rogue One rewatch. Obviously a few points that didn’t entirely match but they could be explained. I do wish they had shown us a few seconds of Kino Loy and Cassian’s sister if only to tie up those loose ends. I can understand not having cassian know their fates but why not the viewer since we learned about them along the way.

In rewatching Rogue One, my favorite SW movie, it now pales in comparison to Andor. It’s also strange watching Andor/Rogue One knowing that Andor ends a week or so before Luke blows up the Death Star. They probably hadn’t cleaned out Cassians locker by the time Luke was suiting up on Yavin.

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5 hours ago, Js1 said:

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/star-wars-andor-mon-mothma-dance-meme
 

 

Mon Mothma’s AndorWedding Death-Dance Is the Song of Summer

“Niamos!” was designed to show a revolutionary’s emotional spiral after consigning her dearest friend to assassination. Now it’s a party meme.

Interesting side note, this stuff was filmed on Genevieve O'Reilly's last day of shooting.  

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On 6/6/2025 at 1:52 PM, Rimbo said:

If you haven't seen Rebels, you're denying yourself one of the best Star Wars things ever. There's a reason Gilroy kept his story in line with that show, even when he discarded other canon events, particularly when Kennedy was saying "yes" to everything he asked for.

This here.

On 6/6/2025 at 9:32 PM, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Rebels and several arcs of Clone Wars for sure. Those last few episodes of Clone Wars in particular. Of course you have to have been invested in the characters already for the full impact. 

Yep unfortunately you have to watch most of clone wars to fully get everything...but rebels is an easy, and emotional watch.

On 6/6/2025 at 10:27 PM, BrickHorn said:

Don’t talk about them stupid video games, or, or novels… comic books or any of that fucking crap. I see enough of that shit.

He didn't?

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Just try it. Rebels has a little bit of a rough early start with Ezra but once it hits its stride it is some of the best content Disney has made. It feels like the OT. Mandalorian cribbed a lot off of this show. 

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9 minutes ago, Hate said:

I don’t know if I can get into cartoons. 

Felt the same way, my man. As a viewer, you do have to switch gears, but as a Star Wars fan, select episodes of 'Clone Wars' and just about all of 'Rebels' fill in so many blanks and make for some great entertainment. 

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5 hours ago, mdmost said:

Just try it. Rebels has a little bit of a rough early start with Ezra but once it hits its stride it is some of the best content Disney has made. It feels like the OT. Mandalorian cribbed a lot off of this show. 

Bad Batch is another must-watch. Its a nice bit of context for Kanan's experience surviving Order 66 just in the pilot episode, and there's some really great stuff in every season

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32 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Bad Batch is another must-watch. Its a nice bit of context for Kanan's experience surviving Order 66 just in the pilot episode, and there's some really great stuff in every season

ehhhh... I enjoyed Bad Batch a lot, but I don't feel it's a must-watch show the way I do with Rebels or Clone Wars.

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I didn't think I'd like the animated shows, but ended up watching Rebels and most of Clone Wars.  There is a bunch of background stories that are not detailed in the regular movies or series.  

I found a list of the essential Clone Wars episodes and skipped the rest.  Might have been posted on Surly somewhere.

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On 6/9/2025 at 7:46 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Finished season 2 this weekend and followed it immediately with  a Rogue One rewatch. Obviously a few points that didn’t entirely match but they could be explained. I do wish they had shown us a few seconds of Kino Loy and Cassian’s sister if only to tie up those loose ends. I can understand not having cassian know their fates but why not the viewer since we learned about them along the way.

Not needed, IMO.

We know what happened to Kino. He either died trying to swim away or was quickly re-captured and killed to cover up the escape; either way he's dead.

Cassian's sister doesn't need to be seen again because she was also lost in time and it would be pointless to show her if she's even still alive. Her absence was a bigger presence in the show because it drove Cassian to constantly try and save others.

Not to mention we only ever saw her as a little girl, so showing some random grown up version of her at the end of the show wouldn't make much sense because you'd need some clunky dialog explaining who this random person we've never seen before is.

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Why didn't the Empire have any of these droids on the Death Star?  Budget cuts? Too tall?
They just had the little movie projectors on wheels that were scared of Chewie.

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6 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Why didn't the Empire have any of these droids on the Death Star?  Budget cuts? Too tall?
They just had the little movie projectors on wheels that were scared of Chewie.

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Why would they? Who was going to invade the Death Star that they need K2 units to go on the offensive? 

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That and don't fall into the classic Star Wars nerd trap of "why didn't ______ appear in the original movies" to something that came along later in a prequel. The first movie was a story that dropped you into the action and you were just made to accept why things were happening with very little information. The lore didn't get built out until later. 

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1 minute ago, Iceman said:

I was just watching the arrest episode last night and it popped in my head.

Advice is duly noted.

I love that arrest episode because everyone was all hyped thinking it was K2SO. Nope, just an enforcement droid. Plus, Space Miami. 

In hindsight, Gilroy was 100% right about waiting to unveil K2. It's like having a Force user present. Everything shifts to being about him because he takes up so much space. 

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2 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Not needed, IMO.

We know what happened to Kino. He either died trying to swim away or was quickly re-captured and killed to cover up the escape; either way he's dead.

Cassian's sister doesn't need to be seen again because she was also lost in time and it would be pointless to show her if she's even still alive. Her absence was a bigger presence in the show because it drove Cassian to constantly try and save others.

Not to mention we only ever saw her as a little girl, so showing some random grown up version of her at the end of the show wouldn't make much sense because you'd need some clunky dialog explaining who this random person we've never seen before is.

 

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

“Somehow, Cassian’s sister returned” 

 

Not seeing them again also corrects one of the biggest issues in the franchise: It's supposed to be this vast, galaxy-spanning Empire of a thousand worlds, not a small family that always ends up on Tatooine somehow. 

They're gone, lost in the vastness of the Galaxy.

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Alright.  We've all had time to digest the series now...some of us more than a few times.  What are your nitpicks of the Andor.  I know most are going to say the space "rock, paper scissors" guys, but there was a purpose to that.  The only one I can really think of is the aliens that catch Andor and Melshi in their nets but then just let them go...and then even give them a ride to another planet.  But that is really about it.  Everything else was greatness. 

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