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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

The draft is opinions. Play is play. Many people who were drafted high turned out to be trash and many that were drafted low turned out to be good. You guys are using it as validation to how you felt about Quinn. 

Predicting people will fail in the NFL is like predicting people will not win the lottery and then trying to validate oneself because one knew those numbers were wrong.  

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16 hours ago, Zeus said:

lol 

just admit you are wrong at some point

Nobody here wanted Quinn to suck and then get picked in the 7th round, but that’s how it went. 

Wrong about what? Where he was drafted? For people who claim to not want Quinn to suck you sure are on here proclaiming it prior to him ever taking a snap in the NFL. I said let's wait and see what he looks like in the league. How about we do that? Maybe he and Sanders are better than their draft positions. Maybe Cam will wash out.

1 minute ago, Fondren & Main said:

It would be hilarious to me if Will Howard turned out to be a good pro.

me too. Hard to believe after all we saw over the years that he would be drafted that high. But when you are throwing to cheat codes....

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25 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

It's like you don't even know how many underwhelming shooting performances Curry has had in the playoffs in his career. But I will let you keep talking.

Ok! Well, Steph Curry is top 20 all time in playoff PER. Basically tied with West and Paul as the most efficient playoff PG of all time. 

There's also the 4 championships, yadda yadda. Still unmoved?

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34 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

It's like you don't even know how many underwhelming shooting performances Curry has had in the playoffs in his career. But I will let you keep talking.

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I read an article today by Nicole Auerbach. It's not an unusual take. In fact, I'd say it's the common one. Here's a link to the article:

Instead of the NFL Draft, Quinn Ewers should have entered the transfer portal

Here's the article spoilered:

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The Shedeur Sanders saga extracted most of the oxygen from the NFL Draft apparatus over the weekend, and rightfully so. But Sanders’ fifth-round selection wasn’t the only notable slide for a big-name quarterback.

Quinn Ewers, the starting quarterback for the Texas Longhorns in back-to-back College Football Playoff appearances, came off the board even later. He didn’t hear his name called until the seventh round, when he went 231st overall to the Miami Dolphins. The former five-star recruit had done all he could for the Longhorns over his three years there — and someone named Arch Manning waiting in the wings to take over in Austin, so the timing made sense for Ewers to leave. But … he also had a history of injuries and a year of eligibility remaining.

Ewers would have been better off entering the transfer portal instead of entering the NFL draft.

You could make the case based on money alone, and many are. He would have almost assuredly made more money in NIL deals than he will as a seventh-round pick. The No. 231 draft slot is estimated to have a value of $4.3 million over four years. It’s possible he could have commanded a deal to earn $4 million (or more) as a transfer — in just one season. Had he entered the portal back in December with so many blueblood programs searching for new starting quarterbacks, it’s quite possible he would have cleared the $4 million benchmark set by a less accomplished quarterback (Carson Beck).

But the reason many of us (including me) are questioning Ewers’ decision to go pro is not just about the money. I would never argue that a player should chase the biggest possible payday over any other factor — fit, development, family reasons, etc. And I understand that he grew up rooting for the Longhorns and was happy to conclude his collegiate career at Texas. He’d helped bring the Longhorns back to national relevance, and he’d taken the team to the CFP semis twice. His legacy was set in stone. Hell, even if Ewers had transferred elsewhere for one final season, it’s easy to imagine that Texas fans would have happily rooted for him from afar. We’ve seen it happen plenty of times in the modern era of college football.

But was Ewers truly ready to go to the NFL? Was his draft stock as high as it would ever be?

Difficult, honest answers to questions like those are what drive players’ decisions to return to college, even when they are so, so close to achieving their lifelong dream of playing in the NFL. They want to be best-positioned for success in the league — so they go back to school (or go to a different school) to address weaknesses in their game. A dual-threat quarterback might pick a more pro-style offense to show scouts he can succeed in that kind of system, too. An injury-prone player might just want another chance to stay healthy and perform closer to his ceiling. We celebrate players — like Cam Ward, who just went No. 1 overall after entering and withdrawing from the draft a year ago — who return to school, develop their game and improve their draft stock.

Ewers obviously did not want nor expect to be a seventh-round draft pick. He did not expect to be the 13th quarterback off the board — or the 14th, actually, if you count Montana State’s Tommy Mellott as a quarterback instead of a receiver. Despite being a significantly more gifted passer, Ewers was drafted behind Riley Leonard and Graham Mertz.

Heading into the draft, NBC Sports NFL analyst Chris Simms listed Ewers in his third tier of QB prospects alongside Syracuse quarterback Kyle McCord, the nation’s leading passer last season. The Athletic’s Dane Brugler gave Ewers a third-round grade and considered him the sixth-best quarterback in the class.

But that’s not how NFL scouts and front office personnel ultimately viewed Ewers — even compared to his peers in what was considered a weak quarterback draft class. That is the tough pill to swallow. That’s why you wish he’d had access to a crystal ball and could see that seventh-round selection coming months ago, so maybe he could have made a different decision.

It is, unfortunately, too late now.

Here's the part I want to take exception to:

"But the reason many of us (including me) are questioning Ewers’ decision to go pro is not just about the money. I would never argue that a player should chase the biggest possible payday over any other factor — fit, development, family reasons, etc. And I understand that he grew up rooting for the Longhorns and was happy to conclude his collegiate career at Texas. He’d helped bring the Longhorns back to national relevance, and he’d taken the team to the CFP semis twice. His legacy was set in stone. Hell, even if Ewers had transferred elsewhere for one final season, it’s easy to imagine that Texas fans would have happily rooted for him from afar. We’ve seen it happen plenty of times in the modern era of college football."

I would not have been rooting for Quinn Ewers from afar. This is a mistake. I'm not saying I speak for all fans. I don't. But I do know many fans feel the same way as me. The last school a player attends will tend to be the one they're associated with. There might be some exceptions. Probably Alabama fans claim Jalen Hurts. I don't know. But his legacy at Alabama is a bit skewed because of his season at Oklahoma. Dillon Gabriel will forever be associated with Oregon way more so than Oklahoma. 

Auerbach mentions Cam Ward, but who is going to associate Ward with Washington State any more? Is he going back to campus on a regular basis? Is he going to appear on the sidelines for future Cougar games?

The whole thing gets awkward after a transfer. 

If you start to put a price on it, then it becomes transactional. Is it worth $4 million to not associate yourself as closely with the University of Texas? Honestly, it probably would be for me. But what if I'd already made more than $5 million during my collegiate career - maybe a lot more - and I expected to make millions more during a pro career? The money wouldn't mean as much. There's an emotional investment for Ewers. If he'd transferred to Miami the way Carson Beck did, he'd forever in large part be associated with Miami and whatever he did there for a season. The same way Beck will be now. 

The cavalier dismissiveness of Auerbach's article - and of everyone else who talks about Ewers' decision making as a mistake - is undervaluing the pull of an association with the University of Texas, especially when that association existed since childhood, and $4 million in annual pay doesn't have the same kind of pull that it once may have because of earnings already made. 

I get all the people who want to come down on Ewers as being not quite good enough. I have many of the same criticisms. But I am grateful for him coming to UT. I feel like he made the team a lot better with his presence. Sure, Manning seems more talented than Ewers overall, with a higher ceiling. Maybe the team would have been more successful than a second place finish in the SEC and a semifinal appearance in the playoffs. But that is entirely hypothetical, no matter how convicted people want to feel about their views. And Ewers is definitely going to be seen in a different light by many years down the road because he didn't transfer somewhere else, the same way other transfer players are seen differently because they chose to play elsewhere during their collegiate career.

Was it worth $4 million to be able to say that? I don't know. To me it wouldn't be, but I don't have Ewers' earning power, even as a 7th round pick. I'm glad it wasn't compelling to Ewers, because I'd view him differently regardless of circumstances if it did.  

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17 hours ago, WineGuy69 said:

It is kind of like you dont answer any of my questions, you just try to justify yourself and again without ever answering anything I ask you.

I can tell your reading comprehension is shit so I am going to guess two things. I laid out the difference between posting on a message board and spending years defending a position to strangers.

Your reading comprehension is dog shit. So little boy, go back and read my posts, please stop posting on the board of school you clearly didnt go to (you clearly dont have the intelligence) and please take people like Nicole with you. This board would be better off.

Whatever man. I barely post here as it is. Mainly because of twat waffles like you. I answered your question. So what if some of us want to make our voices heard.

i know this is a difficult concept but i can critique and be critical of a UT player regardless of position and both still like them and appreciate what they have done for Texas and want them to succeed. 
 

this idea that you have to be a hater if you make a criticism is something a 5 year old thinks. 
 

I said numerous times I want Quinn to succeed. Anyone who thought he’d go in rounds 1-3 was wrong. I made my point and am moving on.

Good post and SIAP. 

https://x.com/insidetexas/status/1916895943556763897?s=46&t=wR1WsslZNubrCBLx8_7YLQ

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4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Whatever man. I barely post here as it is. Mainly because of twat waffles like you. I answered your question. So what if some of us want to make our voices heard.

i know this is a difficult concept but i can critique and be critical of a UT player regardless of position and both still like them and appreciate what they have done for Texas and want them to succeed. 
 

this idea that you have to be a hater if you make a criticism is something a 5 year old thinks. 
 

I said numerous times I want Quinn to succeed. Anyone who thought he’d go in rounds 1-3 was wrong. I made my point and am moving on.

Good post and SIAP. 

https://x.com/insidetexas/status/1916895943556763897?s=46&t=wR1WsslZNubrCBLx8_7YLQ

You have 22,000+ posts.

No need to get defensive. I was simply asking philosophically why it was important.

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After some time to reflect, I know where I recognize Quinn's body language from: it's the body language of someone who got taken by a memecoin. A crypto rug pull. The 90% loss ($8M vs. $800K) tracks too.

The silver lining here is Miami might give him the best chance he could have hoped for to play meaningful snaps in the NFL and increase his stock. I will be rooting for his success and I encourage all of you to do the same.

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Whatever man. I barely post here as it is. Mainly because of twat waffles like you. I answered your question. So what if some of us want to make our voices heard.

i know this is a difficult concept but i can critique and be critical of a UT player regardless of position and both still like them and appreciate what they have done for Texas and want them to succeed. 
 

this idea that you have to be a hater if you make a criticism is something a 5 year old thinks. 
 

I said numerous times I want Quinn to succeed. Anyone who thought he’d go in rounds 1-3 was wrong. I made my point and am moving on.

Good post and SIAP. 

https://x.com/insidetexas/status/1916895943556763897?s=46&t=wR1WsslZNubrCBLx8_7YLQ

Probably don't have as much time because of all the planning into your after hours gig 🤐

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Sam with this roster talent would have been insane. He had 26 TDs to 5 INTs throwing to Josh Moore and Brennan Eagles. You think we are failing to score on the 1 yard line with Sam back there??
Quinn had insane rosters to work with. 30 draft picks over 3 years. And yet he never really put up great numbers or led super efficient offenses. The guy is a pretty good college QB but he probably ends up as a "failure" who transfers out if he played for Herman.

Said this awhile back. Both guys really struggled with injuries though. Sam was used as a battering room. Ewers unlucky and has a slight frame. Watch Sam vs LSU then ISU later in the 2019 season. Night and day.

Game on the line, I go Sam every time. September Ewers is no slouch.

I do think Ewers made the right choice. Leaving Texas would hurt a significant UT legacy.
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I love UT, but I don't get some of these takes about the danger of Ewers harming his "UT legacy".  Vince Young makes a flat $100K a year annually for his "UT legacy".  He'd have to work 80 years with no cost of living to make the 8 million Quinn could have allegedly madfor one year playing at another school.  And if you consider 5% compounding interest for 33 years, that 8 million would be worth 40 million at the time Quinn is 55.  He just has to have a modest return while not touching the principal for 33 years and he'd not only be financially independent, he'd have generational wealth to pass on to his descendants.  Vince is 41, and when Quinn will be that age, that 8 million with 5% compounding interest would be worth 21.22 million.  If he got an even more modest 4% return on that annually at that point, he would be making $848,000 a year in interest, 8 times VY's salary, and wouldn't have to be Al Bundying it around the athletic complex.

The NIL figure could have been $2 million for a year to enter the transfer portal and transfer to school X, and Quinn's decision to go pro would have been a horrific financial miscalculation.  I think it will likely be a case study informing future players who are weighing whether to stay in college or go pro in the new NIL era.

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Sam Ehlinger has a 20-13 Big 12 record and loss to everyone except the Kansas schools (7-0). He had the best talent.   Cut the bullshit about him having heart cause he was a male cheerleader in pads.

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I can see both sides of “he lost a lot of money and made a mistake” and “he wanted enter the draft as a Longhorn and realize his dreams of playing in the league”, but he didn’t look like someone whose dreams came true when his name was called.

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20 minutes ago, Greg Davis Apologist said:

I can see both sides of “he lost a lot of money and made a mistake” and “he wanted enter the draft as a Longhorn and realize his dreams of playing in the league”, but he didn’t look like someone whose dreams came true when his name was called.

 

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8 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

I read an article today by Nicole Auerbach. It's not an unusual take. In fact, I'd say it's the common one. Here's a link to the article:

Instead of the NFL Draft, Quinn Ewers should have entered the transfer portal

Here's the article spoilered:

Here's the part I want to take exception to:

"But the reason many of us (including me) are questioning Ewers’ decision to go pro is not just about the money. I would never argue that a player should chase the biggest possible payday over any other factor — fit, development, family reasons, etc. And I understand that he grew up rooting for the Longhorns and was happy to conclude his collegiate career at Texas. He’d helped bring the Longhorns back to national relevance, and he’d taken the team to the CFP semis twice. His legacy was set in stone. Hell, even if Ewers had transferred elsewhere for one final season, it’s easy to imagine that Texas fans would have happily rooted for him from afar. We’ve seen it happen plenty of times in the modern era of college football."

I would not have been rooting for Quinn Ewers from afar. This is a mistake. I'm not saying I speak for all fans. I don't. But I do know many fans feel the same way as me. The last school a player attends will tend to be the one they're associated with. There might be some exceptions. Probably Alabama fans claim Jalen Hurts. I don't know. But his legacy at Alabama is a bit skewed because of his season at Oklahoma. Dillon Gabriel will forever be associated with Oregon way more so than Oklahoma. 

Auerbach mentions Cam Ward, but who is going to associate Ward with Washington State any more? Is he going back to campus on a regular basis? Is he going to appear on the sidelines for future Cougar games?

The whole thing gets awkward after a transfer. 

If you start to put a price on it, then it becomes transactional. Is it worth $4 million to not associate yourself as closely with the University of Texas? Honestly, it probably would be for me. But what if I'd already made more than $5 million during my collegiate career - maybe a lot more - and I expected to make millions more during a pro career? The money wouldn't mean as much. There's an emotional investment for Ewers. If he'd transferred to Miami the way Carson Beck did, he'd forever in large part be associated with Miami and whatever he did there for a season. The same way Beck will be now. 

The cavalier dismissiveness of Auerbach's article - and of everyone else who talks about Ewers' decision making as a mistake - is undervaluing the pull of an association with the University of Texas, especially when that association existed since childhood, and $4 million in annual pay doesn't have the same kind of pull that it once may have because of earnings already made. 

I get all the people who want to come down on Ewers as being not quite good enough. I have many of the same criticisms. But I am grateful for him coming to UT. I feel like he made the team a lot better with his presence. Sure, Manning seems more talented than Ewers overall, with a higher ceiling. Maybe the team would have been more successful than a second place finish in the SEC and a semifinal appearance in the playoffs. But that is entirely hypothetical, no matter how convicted people want to feel about their views. And Ewers is definitely going to be seen in a different light by many years down the road because he didn't transfer somewhere else, the same way other transfer players are seen differently because they chose to play elsewhere during their collegiate career.

Was it worth $4 million to be able to say that? I don't know. To me it wouldn't be, but I don't have Ewers' earning power, even as a 7th round pick. I'm glad it wasn't compelling to Ewers, because I'd view him differently regardless of circumstances if it did.  

Another year of college football and Ewers would have been a free agent

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57 minutes ago, Greg Davis Apologist said:

I can see both sides of “he lost a lot of money and made a mistake” and “he wanted enter the draft as a Longhorn and realize his dreams of playing in the league”, but he didn’t look like someone whose dreams came true when his name was called.

He also didn’t look like a QB that could just roll into a new system and dominate college football. He had the dream offense and defense here, this year was his shot. He came out awesome in the Michigan game then he got hurt, and gimped the way through a decent rest of the season. 
 

It was now or never, he always had that silly looking powdy face. 
 

Miami is way way way better than a lot of other landing spots for him. Also, he was probably upset he sat though 6 fucking rounds and kept seeing interior QBs go ahead of him. There’s some real head scratchers in this draft. 
 


Go Fins

 

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1 minute ago, Rholl said:

I fully expect most of this crowd to shit all over Arch if Horns lose on aug 30 2025

Like in a fetish type of way? 

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2 minutes ago, Rholl said:

I fully expect most of this crowd to shit all over Arch if Horns lose on aug 30 2025

Maybe. What I will say is that all it takes is a handful of posters to behave in an unhinged manner and suddenly according to some the whole board thinks that way.

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1 hour ago, Rholl said:

I fully expect most of this crowd to shit all over Arch if Horns lose on aug 30 2025

^^^ case in point re: “the qb is the only one responsible for the wins” mentality which is the genesis for all of the divisiveness. arch could throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs and we could lose 52-51 on a missed fg, and rholl here still anticipates that “the haters” will just shit all over arch, because the only way that he (and a shockingly high percentage of people in this thread) can figure out whether or not the qb did well is whether not not the team won the game.

it’s this same asinine idea that nobody could possibly criticize quinn ewers (or sam ehlinger, or shaka smart, or ted lasso, etc) without having some major axe to grind, some ulterior motive. the very idea that the object of their affection is actually deserving of criticism is too far fetched for them to handle, therefore anyone who does so is just a delusional hater who hates just to hate. shit is dumb.

Arch is gong to be one of our best players next year. this isn’t going to be an issue. and i have a strange suspicion that when Arch gets out there next year and looks like colt mccoy and vince young had a baby, that the QE zealots will suddenly “not have time for this”. 

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24 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

he comported himself in a class manner. 

The trump stuff I could've done without but he's young and dumb and a product of his upbringing. There also was the instagram DMs begging for ass pics that were never verified as actually from him.

As far as college athletes go, I would grade the classiness of Ewers a solid B+

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6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The trump stuff I could've done without but he's young and dumb and a product of his upbringing. There also was the instagram DMs begging for ass pics that were never verified as actually from him.

As far as college athletes go, I would grade the classiness of Ewers a solid B+

like I said seemed to comport himself in a class manner.

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9 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Probably don't have as much time because of all the planning into your after hours gig 🤐

Knife in one hand, Tapatalk in the other. It can be done, or so I’ve been told.

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3 hours ago, chainsaw said:

The trump stuff I could've done without but he's young and dumb and a product of his upbringing. There also was the instagram DMs begging for ass pics that were never verified as actually from him.

As far as college athletes go, I would grade the classiness of Ewers a solid B+

>90% of college athletes are saying way worse in DMs

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10 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Is that Imma’s personal security sitting behind him? Sure seems interested in the photog. 

Yes. Before I was allowed to even enter the tent, I was told no pics and no autographs. The minute I took this pic, his security came and accosted me, and threw me out of the tailgate.  

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7 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Yes. Before I was allowed to even enter the tent, I was told no pics and no autographs. The minute I took this pic, his security came and accosted me, and threw me out of the tailgate.  

So Luna didn't like the looks of you? 

She's got good instincts.

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11 hours ago, MrBig said:

 

Hate seeing that.  Quinn is a great longhorn and seems like a really good dude.  I hope he lives in the NFL long enough to make his money & retire comfortably.

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Has there ever been a single game of film more damaging to an NFL prospect than that first Georgia game? Dropped 6 rounds in a half?

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3 minutes ago, Nope said:

Has there ever been a single game of film more damaging to an NFL prospect than that first Georgia game? Dropped 6 rounds in a half?

I was so fucking pissed off after that game - I put so much into that weekend lol

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20 minutes ago, Nope said:

Has there ever been a single game of film more damaging to an NFL prospect than that first Georgia game? Dropped 6 rounds in a half?

He was never going to go 1st round.  3rd max.  his measurables just aren't there, regardless of what the hype was at the time.  I think his injury history and overall body of work(not just Georgia), dropped him.

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10 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Tyler Shough got drafted in the 2nd so injury history seems to be a laughable reason to me.  Quinn was the last QB drafted.  That doesn’t make a hell of a lot of sense to me.

On the bright side, he didn’t get drafted to the browns. 

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1 hour ago, Fondren & Main said:

Tyler Shough got drafted in the 2nd so injury history seems to be a laughable reason to me.  Quinn was the last QB drafted.  That doesn’t make a hell of a lot of sense to me.

well yes, his collarbone should be a concern but he is als 6' 5" 230 with a strong arm.  he also ran a 4.6.  quinn's oblique is another story. if quinn were 6'5" 230 with a strong arm and had taken us to semi's back to back he'd be at least 2nd rounder even with the injury history.

and I said the injury history dropped him along with the pocket/footwork.  injury with the oblique is just a part of it.

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