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14 hours ago, Had Enough said:

That would have largely required multiple TDs by the opponents defense while the offense never scored more.  For multiple games.

From a 2nd year guy that has been educated on football his entire life.  On a team with an overall talent/experience advantage.

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that.

There is some real rose tinted glasses here, Arch made some mind numbingly bad decisions during his first two starts it’s just that they were against ULM and MSU. Arch absolutely could have had a 2022 OSU or TCU meltdown, pressing too hard and trying to make plays in big games. Also something Quinn was actually good was recognizing pressure and setting protections. There were multiple times that Arch didn’t recognize the blitz and got absolutely lit up from the second level.

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Troy Aikman didn’t win a fucking game his rookie year. He was pure trash.
When Troy wasn’t staring at his first option and probably throwing an interception, he was standing tall in the pocket and getting his shit packed and leaving the game with a concussion.
Steve Walsh won the one game that year and always looked more NFL ready than Troy. Walsh was obviously smarter and the game wasn’t too fast for him, but he didn’t have the physical attributes to be a top NFL QB.
If the Cowboys hadn’t brought in Norv Turner in 1991, Troy would never have been a Hall of Fame QB. Turner changed the offense to limit the damage of Troy’s weaknesses and highlight those strengths.

Pretty harsh on Cowboy Troy, but true. Rookie year was similar to Carr with the Texans. Both rookie years spent more time looking at the sky from the ground than on their feet.

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2 hours ago, Not a Sock said:

There is some real rose tinted glasses here, Arch made some mind numbingly bad decisions during his first two starts it’s just that they were against ULM and MSU. Arch absolutely could have had a 2022 OSU or TCU meltdown, pressing too hard and trying to make plays in big games. Also something Quinn was actually good was recognizing pressure and setting protections. There were multiple times that Arch didn’t recognize the blitz and got absolutely lit up from the second level.

Name me the youthful QB, or any QB, that has had multiple pick 6s/fumble TDs in the same game. It is not common.   The Aggies and Kentucky still don’t win if you give them another defensive TD.  Didn’t we have turnovers on our first posssessions versus OU and Vandy?  I guess Arch could have given up scores on those turnovers.

A TCU or OSU performance was not resulting in a loss.  Are you telling me a 2nd year in college Ewers, who skipped his final year of hs then whatever you call his stint at OSU would have him on the same level as a 2nd year Arch, having not missed his sr year and playing in the same offense?  That my friend is a reach.  Nevermind that as a team we are better now than then.
 

You cite MSU for Arch.  An independent source graded that performance as one of the top performances all year that took into account whatever negative plays you think he made.

ULM was his first start, right?  Undoubtedly amped up.  I believe those errors were early in the game and he settled into the game.

You know Leavitt is just as young as Manning, right?  Terrible pass to end but otherwise hung tough against a far more talented team.

 

By the way I’ve not once said put Arch in as starter.  I am pushing back on the notion that chances are good he loses a game or two.

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39 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

You cite MSU for Arch.  An independent source graded that performance as one of the top performances all year that took into account whatever negative plays you think he made.

If Johntay catches that perfect pass, Manning finishes something like 27-32 for 380 yards and 4 TDs. 

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It's still a bit puzzling that an obviously still-limited Ewers was seen by Sark as the better choice over Manning. At least, we suppose that's the case, although there is an under-current of some sort of "loyalty" to the starter, and/or a long-term message for future recruits. It seemed like the rest of the team tended to pick up steam when Arch entered the game, which I wouldn't think would have happened if their practice snaps had been less than inspirational.

The fact is, of course, Sark stuck with the starter. Some question whether that was best for the team. Ask Saban, right?

 

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4 hours ago, Not a Sock said:

There is some real rose tinted glasses here, Arch made some mind numbingly bad decisions during his first two starts it’s just that they were against ULM and MSU. Arch absolutely could have had a 2022 OSU or TCU meltdown, pressing too hard and trying to make plays in big games. Also something Quinn was actually good was recognizing pressure and setting protections. There were multiple times that Arch didn’t recognize the blitz and got absolutely lit up from the second level.

Quinn had 17 turnovers. That was probably his biggest issue last year. I once said Texas had a better chance of making the playoffs with Ewers, but Arch gave them a better chance to win a title. Reason for that is Arch could have had one of those terrible 1st time starter games, but also think he would have grown over the course of the season. That said Ewers had some ugly games (Georgia, OU, and Arkansas come to mind) and some absolute brutal turnovers that could have changed the course of the season (ASU and A&M come to mind). 

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3 hours ago, Red Five said:

If Johntay catches that perfect pass, Manning finishes something like 27-32 for 380 yards and 4 TDs. 

If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia, we would have lost WW2 and Las Vegas would be the capital of the world. 

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2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Quinn had 17 turnovers. That was probably his biggest issue last year. I once said Texas had a better chance of making the playoffs with Ewers, but Arch gave them a better chance to win a title. Reason for that is Arch could have had one of those terrible 1st time starter games, but also think he would have grown over the course of the season. That said Ewers had some ugly games (Georgia, OU, and Arkansas come to mind) and some absolute brutal turnovers that could have changed the course of the season (ASU and A&M come to mind). 

I trying to come at this from the perspective of Sark. So the question becomes when do you bench Quinn? Texas was #1 and undefeated and statistically the most dominant team in college football going into the Georgia game. Quinn and Texas proceeded to get absolutely obliterated the first half and Sark does pull Quinn and Arch doesn’t do much better. Quinn goes back in the second half a Texas tries to close the gap but the first half disaster is too much to overcome. From the Georgia game till overtime in the SEC championship did Texas ever even trail for more than a single drive? In order for Sark to reasonably bench Quinn, Quinn would have needed to have another melt down that would have cost Texas the game or put Texas so far down that Sark would have had to bench Quinn and that just never happened. Could Arch have won us a title this year? I believe so but into order for that to happen Quinn would have had to leave after last year, and nobody though this time last year that bringing back Quinn a 3 year starter in our first season in the SEC was a bad idea.

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22 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia, we would have lost WW2 and Las Vegas would be the capital of the world. 

What a great point, and totally relevant. 

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18 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

I trying to come at this from the perspective of Sark. So the question becomes when do you bench Quinn? Texas was #1 and undefeated and statistically the most dominant team in college football going into the Georgia game. Quinn and Texas proceeded to get absolutely obliterated the first half and Sark does pull Quinn and Arch doesn’t do much better. Quinn goes back in the second half a Texas tries to close the gap but the first half disaster is too much to overcome. From the Georgia game till overtime in the SEC championship did Texas ever even trail for more than a single drive? In order for Sark to reasonably bench Quinn, Quinn would have needed to have another melt down that would have cost Texas the game or put Texas so far down that Sark would have had to bench Quinn and that just never happened. Could Arch have won us a title this year? I believe so but into order for that to happen Quinn would have had to leave after last year, and nobody though this time last year that bringing back Quinn a 3 year starter in our first season in the SEC was a bad idea.

You bench Quinn at the same exact moment you did but you never put him in again. It’s that simple. Quinn played like shit in multiple games after Georgia game. It’s not like he came back and was brilliant. The only game he was good in was Florida who was missing their entire secondary essentially 

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35 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

He has like a 90% sack rate once he was pressured and took his eyes down. 

I think that that bullshit hit by Bama “Dallas” guy, that would have been illegal in the NFL, really fucked up Quinn.

He had some excellent games after that, but the knowledge that he could always be wrapped up and then drilled into the ground haunted him.

A positive is that that won’t happen in the NFL… if he sticks with a team long enough to make it into the field.

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2 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

If Hitler hadn't invaded Russia, we would have lost WW2 and Las Vegas would be the capital of the world. 

russia or no russia we would’ve beaten those krauts’ dicks into the dirt.

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3 hours ago, Red Five said:

What a great point, and totally relevant. 

It’s as relevant and has as much to do with reality as the comment Redfive made counting Johntay’s horrific drop to passing yards total by Arch. He didn’t catch the ball so it’s another, “if only this had happened” non-event. 

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4 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

It’s as relevant and has as much to do with reality as the comment Redfive made counting Johntay’s horrific drop to passing yards total by Arch. He didn’t catch the ball so it’s another, “if only this had happened” non-event. 

You should stick to comedy.

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