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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

"If the time comes, if Quinn cannot pull out of this rollercoaster that he's on, at Kyle Field or any game from there on, I don't think if there's a chance of us losing that they're gonna go down with Quinn. I think we'll see Arch try to save the day. And that's just where we are at this point. We cannot afford to lose another game IMO."

- Bob Shipley on OTF show yesterday 

 

I don't know how connected he is within the program anymore, but this is all I'm asking for from Sark and staff. They have to be better prepared and ready to play Arch if bad Quinn shows up. The fact that a sunshine pumper like Shipley is saying it gives me hope. 

 

 

Here's the rub in the "bring in Arch" scenario: Let's say Quinn plays against Ky like he did against Ark. We win but it ain't pretty.

Then the big test. it's against the Ags. Our amazing D keeps the game close. Quinn makes a few good plays and enough bad plays that he just can't get us the lead. Too many mistakes, too few bright spots. The biggest mistakes are Quinn's. Down by ten at the half. Do you pull him then? Middle of the third quarter, we get the ball back, down by ten. Is that too soon to pull Ewers? 

Conventional thinking would be that he's the experienced one and  just needs one good drive and we are back on track. OTOH, we should be up by twenty and we know it. OTOH, you can't wait until it's "do or die" to get Arch out there and get him into the rhythm of the game. Even the middle of the third might be too late. I say make the switch at halftime. It's time to shit or get off the pot.

Sark needs to get Arch more snaps in practice, even if it means putting more pressure on Ewers to get his act together. Maybe that's what the team needs, because the pressure is gonna come one way or the other.

Best case scenario, Quinn kicks ass against Kentucky, and takes off.

Next best scenario, Quinn melts down against Kentucky and Arch comes in and begins his meteoric rise into a Hall of Fame career. Destroys the Ags. Wins the SEC and goes deep into the playoffs.

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2 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Best case scenario, Quinn kicks ass against Kentucky, and takes off.

Next best scenario, Quinn melts down against Kentucky and Arch comes in and begins his meteoric rise into a Hall of Fame career. Destroys the Ags. Wins the SEC and goes deep into the playoffs.

Obviously getting the win vs. Kentucky is the first priority. But I actually hope the Kentucky defense brings their A game. We need another real test for Quinn, whether it exposes his issues or he overcomes them. I hope he plays well and it builds confidence heading into the A&M game. 

 

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2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Now go look at his post count and where they are located. 

Sure some people lean towards on area or another, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen him post anywhere outside of Quinn specific threads/area. Not in aggie thread. Not in CR, lulz, not anywhere. And I'll wager nearly 100% of them are, in various forms or another, defending Quinn.

He posts in CR all the time. 

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1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

Quite a few quotes of Shipley with  "We cannot afford to lose another game IMO."

Not entirely correct. We can afford to lose the CCG and would still be in the 5-12 bracket.

 

Best win would be aggy. Not sure how much respect that will garner 

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4 hours ago, immamac said:

Jordan Whittington looked every bit of 5 star. As did Gray. The fuck are you talking about? 

Whittington was freak injury plagued and when he finally got and stayed healthy he was a fucking monster. 

Gray was fucking incredible. 

Quinn also looks fucking fantastic. You keep going on about this nonsense of comparing Quinn to his lofty external grade/expectations. A lot of people are comparing Quinn to Quinn. That's why so many people are so frustrated. 

Stop fucking defending the guy, there's nothing to defend. He needs to play to his full potential. 

Jordan Whittington, and we all loved him, was special because of his effort level. He was way more developed than most kids which made him special in high school but once you get to college you are just one of the guys. He still had his effort and that carried him through but let's not act like he was uber gifted physically outside of his efforts in the weight room.

I am going to say this one time and one time only. Quinn Ewers was ranked higher than Vincent Paul Young Jr, the most incredible high school or college player most of us has ever seen. He was ranked higher than Vick. He was ranked higher than Lamar Jackson. He was ranked higher than Mahomes. It didn't take a genius to see the only thing special about Ewers is his arm and that HE WAS NOT a perfect recruit like they said he was. As soon as any of us saw him we should've readjusted our expectations. What makes him special is his ability to make multi-platform throws and his arm strength. Outside of that he is below average. Below average height, size, feet, quickness, agility, and speed. So why are we expecting him to do things he can't? That's like getting pissed that Blue can't run between the tackles. Pocket passers with below average athletic ability have to be kept clean at all costs. It's as simple as that. And just because they have a strong arm doesn't mean they are going to be able to stand in the pocket, perfectly diagnose a defense, and make every throw perfectly. I accepted that a long time ago and adjusted my expectations.

Anyone who thinks Ewers is going to be any different than any other pocket passer outside the ability to reach areas of the field others can't is going to be mad every week that Texas is playing. I challenge anyone here to name me 10 non-running college pocket passers that didn't have strong running games and didn't have a bunch of wtf games.

 

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3 hours ago, MrBig said:

I figured it was true when after the Washington game he was blaming Quinn’s shitty throw on AD’s route running. Like what? Even if that was true, a guy running a shitty route doesn’t make the QB air the ball nearly out of bounds. 

You have a 6'5 receiver running a fade in the end zone vs a 5'10 DB. Where do you throw the ball Big? Where is every single QB in America taught to throw the ball in that scenario?

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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You have a 6'5 receiver running a fade in the end zone vs a 5'10 DB. Where do you throw the ball Big? Where is every single QB in America taught to throw the ball in that scenario?

To the MF pylon for the win! Look how far behind AD the defender was. The other guy inside the 10 has no chance of jumping the route if he throws a laser. The horizontal stance after the throw too. We fucking had this game. 
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51 minutes ago, dr99 said:

 

 

Why did he leave off Dart? Was it because he threw for 39 fewer yards than those three QBs combined?

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It would be nice if he would scramble and slide a couple times a game instead of taking sacks.  And maybe keep on a zone read 1-2 times per game.  He often has a lot of green in front of him.

How many zone read plays are we running per game?
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26 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You have a 6'5 receiver running a fade in the end zone vs a 5'10 DB. Where do you throw the ball Big? Where is every single QB in America taught to throw the ball in that scenario?

Who is the 6'5 receiver?

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Just now, MrBig said:

To the MF pylon for the win! Look how far behind AD the defender was. The other guy inside the 10 has no chance of jumping the route if he throws a laser. The horizontal stance after the throw too. We fucking had this game. 
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Every QB is taught to throw that ball high to take advantage of the mismatch(6'5 vs 5'10) which is exactly why we chose AD to go to. The ball is out before the receiver break. At that point you are expecting your receiver to put his cleats in the ground for separation, come back, and high point the football on the sideline. You aren't expecting him to round off his route and not jump. Even the DB knows what we are trying to do which is why he is ready to jump and bat the ball down.

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Jordan Whittington, and we all loved him, was special because of his effort level. He was way more developed than most kids which made him special in high school but once you get to college you are just one of the guys. He still had his effort and that carried him through but let's not act like he was uber gifted physically outside of his efforts in the weight room.
I am going to say this one time and one time only. Quinn Ewers was ranked higher than Vincent Paul Young Jr, the most incredible high school or college player most of us has ever seen. He was ranked higher than Vick. He was ranked higher than Lamar Jackson. He was ranked higher than Mahomes. It didn't take a genius to see the only thing special about Ewers is his arm and that HE WAS NOT a perfect recruit like they said he was. As soon as any of us saw him we should've readjusted our expectations. What makes him special is his ability to make multi-platform throws and his arm strength. Outside of that he is below average. Below average height, size, feet, quickness, agility, and speed. So why are we expecting him to do things he can't? That's like getting pissed that Blue can't run between the tackles. Pocket passers with below average athletic ability have to be kept clean at all costs. It's as simple as that. And just because they have a strong arm doesn't mean they are going to be able to stand in the pocket, perfectly diagnose a defense, and make every throw perfectly. I accepted that a long time ago and adjusted my expectations.
Anyone who thinks Ewers is going to be any different than any other pocket passer outside the ability to reach areas of the field others can't is going to be mad every week that Texas is playing. I challenge anyone here to name me 10 non-running college pocket passers that didn't have strong running games and didn't have a bunch of wtf games.
 

So you’re saying that we shouldn’t expect a QB to get better over the course of his career? What they’re good and bad at as a freshman is set in stone?
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Just now, Atticus said:

That matchup is 6'2 (AD) vs 6'1 Elijah Jackson

It's like you never played sports. Go look at Mitchell's listed height here at Texas, and Jackson isn't 6'1 either(hasn't been to the combine yet). Regardless, even on video there is a significant height difference.

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Every QB is taught to throw that ball high to take advantage of the mismatch(6'5 vs 5'10) which is exactly why we chose AD to go to. The ball is out before the receiver break. At that point you are expecting your receiver to put his cleats in the ground for separation, come back, and high point the football on the sideline. You aren't expecting him to round off his route and not jump. Even the DB knows what we are trying to do which is why he is ready to jump and bat the ball down.

I would only add to this post that the DB’s jump and AD’s failure to jump was in large part due to the db placing both hands on his shoulders, holding him down and using him as a launch pad.
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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

It's like you never played sports. Go look at Mitchell's listed height here at Texas, and Jackson isn't 6'1 either(hasn't been to the combine yet). Regardless, even on video there is a significant height difference.

That throw fucking sucked regardless of these mental gymnastics.

It’s also pretty stark the way you talk about Quinn now vs last year and the year before. Now it’s all about how he was overrated as a recruit whereas the last two years it was blame X, AD, JT, etc. 

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1 hour ago, dr99 said:

This is so fucking stupid. He's comparing a QB in his 3rd full season at starter to 3 1st year starters. He's a fucking idoit, and doesn't even realize his comparison is not a compliment to Ewers. Truly embarrassing.

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4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

It's like you never played sports. Go look at Mitchell's listed height here at Texas, and Jackson isn't 6'1 either(hasn't been to the combine yet). Regardless, even on video there is a significant height difference.

So you mention AD's inflated college height of 6'4, then exaggerate it, only to take Jackson's college height of 6'1 and severely diminish it.

You're better than that man. At best, there's a 2.5 inch difference there. Not the 7 inch one you fabricated to make your point.

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32 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Why did he leave off Dart? Was it because he threw for 39 fewer yards than those three QBs combined?

Dart would be the more apt comparison, both are multi-year starters.

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2 hours ago, Tex Long said:

Quite a few quotes of Shipley with  "We cannot afford to lose another game IMO."

Not entirely correct. We can afford to lose the CCG and would still be in the 5-12 bracket.

Losing to UK or aggy likely keeps us out of the CCG, and might shove us out of 5-12 as well.

At this point we have at least three games left. Whether the third one is the CCG, a first-round homer, or a Toilet Bowl remains to be seen. If we keep winning, we have the three and another three in the playoffs. Could be a lotta games left, and they're just gonna keep getting tougher. 

Bob Shipley although a likable good ole boy is and has been over his head. Irwin I get and respect. Shipley, and I mean this in the nicest way, is just an old dumb jock. He has never given me any reason to think he was ever more than a mediocre coach at any level. There is your Hawt take. My personal opinion of course.

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Going over that play again makes me sad but I’ll die thinking both Ewers and AD were shocked at the coverage the DB played. By the time they both realized it, it was too late. 

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27 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Every QB is taught to throw that ball high to take advantage of the mismatch(6'5 vs 5'10) which is exactly why we chose AD to go to. The ball is out before the receiver break. At that point you are expecting your receiver to put his cleats in the ground for separation, come back, and high point the football on the sideline. You aren't expecting him to round off his route and not jump. Even the DB knows what we are trying to do which is why he is ready to jump and bat the ball down.

The pre-snap look had the defender nearly 10 yards off of AD. And Quinn just follows the script and makes no adjustment. This is our Achilles heel with Quinn. He can’t improvise and we’re dead in the water if he can’t execute Sark’s script. A script that is watered down and hampered by Quinn’s inability to connect on the deep ball. 
 

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That throw fucking sucked regardless of these mental gymnastics.
It’s also pretty stark the way you talk about Quinn now vs last year and the year before. Now it’s all about how he was overrated as a recruit whereas the last two years it was blame X, AD, JT, etc. 

In fairness those 3 receivers were mid.
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8 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The pre-snap look had the defender nearly 10 yards off of AD. And Quinn just follows the script and makes no adjustment. This is our Achilles heel with Quinn. He can’t improvise and we’re dead in the water if he can’t execute Sark’s script. A script that is watered down and hampered by Quinn’s inability to connect on the deep ball. 
 

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What are you talking about? The DB breaks on the route and no matter where that ball was thrown he was going to be there to contest it. He only jumped because he saw it was high. If it was low he would've been there to get his hands on it too. In fact, he broke so quickly that had it been a low throw he could've stepped in front of it. The problem is the route. AD needs one hard left inside step to make the DB take one step inside and he catches this ball uncontested. He never sold anything to the inside. Anyone who has played receiver, DB, or QB can tell you that is an awful route. In fact, I challenge you to find anywhere saying that is a good route. DBs are taught to protect inside out. One hard step inside and the DB will bite.

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22 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The pre-snap look had the defender nearly 10 yards off of AD. And Quinn just follows the script and makes no adjustment. This is our Achilles heel with Quinn. He can’t improvise and we’re dead in the water if he can’t execute Sark’s script. A script that is watered down and hampered by Quinn’s inability to connect on the deep ball. 
 

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AD didn’t do much of an adjustment either tho. The throw that Ewers needs to make in this situation is almost just as difficult because the way AD places his body. His hips are faced the wrong way so he would have to quickly flip them and plant a foot in the ground to make a borderline diving catch. So throwing it to the pylon would make it an insane catch by AD. If they could do it all over again I’m betting AD runs a route similar to the one in the CCG against okie st, and it’s an easy pitch and catch.

Edit: this isn’t me saying it was all AD. They both messed up and were unfortunately unprepared for the look. 

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46 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The pre-snap look had the defender nearly 10 yards off of AD. And Quinn just follows the script and makes no adjustment. This is our Achilles heel with Quinn. He can’t improvise and we’re dead in the water if he can’t execute Sark’s script. A script that is watered down and hampered by Quinn’s inability to connect on the deep ball. 
 

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Same receiver and same play to the other side vs Houston. Watch AD take a hard step inside and watch the sep it gives him when he cuts back outside. This is how you run that route. It doesn't matter how far off the DB is. The hard fake close to the goal line will get the reaction you need. This is what Quinn is expecting. Now contrast that with the route run against Washington. Night and day difference.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

7:34 mark below

Same receiver and same play to the other side vs Houston. Watch AD take a hard step inside and watch the sep it gives him when he cuts back outside. This is how you run that route. It doesn't matter how far off the DB is. The hard fake close to the goal line will get the reaction you need. This is what Quinn is expecting. Now contrast that with the route run against Washington. Night and day difference.

 

 


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This play is making my point about the Washington throw. Look how close to the pylon AD is in the UH game. Quinn throws it there near the pylon against Washington and we’re playing for a title. The ball was out of Quinn’s hands before AD made the cut at Washington so blaming the cut for ball placement is irrelevant even though it was poor route running. 

Quinn had pressure in his face at Washington and threw a lob when it should have been thrown like in the UH game.
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2 hours ago, markstanco said:


In fairness those 3 receivers were mid.

You’ll catch a lot of hell for saying that but based off nfl evidence so far…that seems pretty accurate. Mitchell is really athletic but I’m not certain he knew how to even play wr while at Texas lol. I think helm is a better TE than sanders and worthy struggles to make an impact with Andy Reid/mahomes. I am over all this though, if Quinn struggles against Kentucky he needs to be pulled and let the arch era begin. Our defense is elite and probably the best I’ve seen in my lifetime. Our offense needs to make a couple plays here and there to move the chains and not turn it over. We play for a championship if Quinn wakes up or arch is who we think he is. 

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1 hour ago, MrBig said:


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This play is making my point about the Washington throw. Look how close to the pylon AD is in the UH game. Quinn throws it there near the pylon against Washington and we’re playing for a title. The ball was out of Quinn’s hands before AD made the cut at Washington so blaming the cut for ball placement is irrelevant even though it was poor route running. 

Quinn had pressure in his face at Washington and threw a lob when it should have been thrown like in the UH game.
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The saying is true. "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink".

Again. It doesn't matter where the ball is thrown vs Washington ole buddy is closing fast and would've broken it up. Had Mitchell run the Houston route vs Washington the Washington DB wouldn't be anywhere close to the ball no matter where it was thrown because of the separation on the break. Now out of respect for you I will leave it at that but you won't find a single coach that will tell you the Washington route was the right one.

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17 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

You’ll catch a lot of hell for saying that but based off nfl evidence so far…that seems pretty accurate. Mitchell is really athletic but I’m not certain he knew how to even play wr while at Texas lol. I think helm is a better TE than sanders and worthy struggles to make an impact with Andy Reid/mahomes. 

LOL what?  X has over 350 yards halfway through his rookie season with the 2-time Super Bowl champions.  I'd say he's doing OK.  Mitchell is one of the most clutch receivers I've seen in years, over 3 seasons at the highest level in college.

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3 hours ago, Levi said:

Going over that play again makes me sad but I’ll die thinking both Ewers and AD were shocked at the coverage the DB played. By the time they both realized it, it was too late. 

It’s was a shitty route. 

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4 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Every QB is taught to throw that ball high to take advantage of the mismatch(6'5 vs 5'10) which is exactly why we chose AD to go to. The ball is out before the receiver break. At that point you are expecting your receiver to put his cleats in the ground for separation, come back, and high point the football on the sideline. You aren't expecting him to round off his route and not jump. Even the DB knows what we are trying to do which is why he is ready to jump and bat the ball down.

He couldn't fully extend because the pass was out of bounds. He had to keep his feet in bounds. Not a one of the four throws into the end zone against Wash were even close to being caught, IMHO

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26 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

It’s was a shitty route. 

It was. Maybe him being shocked at the coverage and knowing a fade route wasn’t going to work had something to do with it. Or he just half assed the last play of the game and a chance to play in the national title game. 

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Did always wonder why he turned around that way instead of right. But, c’est la vie, we were lucky to even get that drive.

I will say, I thought a better throw by Ewers on the Whittington catch to get there results in a td. I’ve never gone back and rewatched anything, but I thought that live.

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