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Here is a great explainer article about Iran’s nuclear program, and how it was structured to show compliance while still progressing to nukes. It was written before Saturday’s strike. Don’t waste your time reading it if you are pre-set to believe and argue a position on either side. 
 

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/iran-is-down-but-not-yet-out-nuclear-development-program-tehran-915d683d?st=hj4W47&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I know he didn't drop the N word, but that's some pretty disgusting racism from texashammer and deserves a fucking suspension at least.

Meh. Let the true human garbage reveal itself.

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2 minutes ago, statsman said:

Here is a great explainer article about Iran’s nuclear program, and how it was structured to show compliance while still progressing to nukes. It was written before Saturday’s strike. Don’t waste your time reading it if you are pre-set to believe and argue a position on either side. 
 

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/iran-is-down-but-not-yet-out-nuclear-development-program-tehran-915d683d?st=hj4W47&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

The fact of the matter is, any nation operating a nuclear reactor can pretty easily breed plutonium out of U238 and then chemically separate it, rather than dealing with the comparatively extremely difficult isotope separation. That's how we ended up with Little Man - it's far easier to breed plutonium from depleted uranium via neutron bombardment than to separate and enrich U235. 

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1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

And Palestinians still get shot up waiting in lines for humanitarian aid distribution. 

58 minutes ago, Deej said:

It's the Israeli version of deer feeders. 


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19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I know he didn't drop the N word, but that's some pretty disgusting racism from texashammer and deserves a fucking suspension at least.

Genocide is genocide, no matter the ethnicity of its victims.

By posting that reply, he proves he's the type of guy who -- had he been raised in early 20th-century Germany -- would've totally been on board with gassing Jews. 

Total sociopath, bereft of morals, and deserving of damnation. Also, dumber than a bag of hammers.

 

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50 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Sorry, forgot to add this one which is today's fresh pile of corpses:

Israel kills 40 in further Gaza bloodshed after reaching truce with Iran | Reuters

It's not enough to slowly starve them all to death, we also have to mow them down while they desperately try to get food from these killbox aid sites.

Don’t you see, those kids are all terrorists!  They must be shot.  Hamas is using those toddlers as shields.  Those Israeli soldiers have to first put a sniper bullet in the 3 years head, then their heart, and only then can they kill the Hamas terrorist using them as a shield.  Hamas was hiding in every building in Gaza so Israel had no choice but to blow up every single building.  Then when the people that lived in those homes went to dig up their dead ones, they have make sure to drop more bombs on them to make sure they don’t help the dead Hamas in the rubble.  Oh don’t forget the refugee camps of the displaced innocent civilians living in tents!  You see, Israel’s technology is so great, they can see through buildings and send precise missiles into Iran to kill their leaders.  But those tents are made of a special cloth where they can’t see all the Hamas hiding in them.  So their only choice is to bomb the entire refugee camps.   As for the food, who the hell do you think those 80 lb starving kids are getting flour for?!  For Hamas man,  they must be shot while running to get food.  Can you imagine all the bombs Hamas could put inside baked cakes from all that flour?!  And hospitals?! Bomb those too because Hamas has bases under them… only a sick person would put a military base under a hospital!! Oh wait, Israel’s military base is under a hospital too?  But that doesn’t count… they just don’t have enough stolen land to build their bases, that’s why they keep theirs under a hospital.  And fuck all the medical devices in the Gaza hospitals.  The soldiers have no choice but to break all the imaging equipment and medical devices.  Imagine if the humanitarians treated Hamas for cancer?!  
 

Btw, the stuff you posted is nothing.  There’s plenty of videos of kids with blown off limbs crying for their dead parents.  Or you could post the interviews of all the doctors that have spent time down there that have had to do amputations and tracheotomies with no local anesthetic on kids.  Sorry for the rant, but I will hop on this thread daily and remind everyone about the genocide and war crimes being committed with our tax dollars by funding Netanyahu and his extremist party with weapons and missiles.  

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51 minutes ago, Captainant said:

The fact of the matter is, any nation operating a nuclear reactor can pretty easily breed plutonium out of U238 and then chemically separate it, rather than dealing with the comparatively extremely difficult isotope separation. That's how we ended up with Little Man - it's far easier to breed plutonium from depleted uranium via neutron bombardment than to separate and enrich U235. 

Like we all didn't already know this. 

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5 hours ago, immamac said:

This crazy fuck is gonna bomb Israel isn't he? 

In all fairness, I think that’s his negotiating tool. I haven’t read The Art of The Deal. But unpredictability when we have the world’s greatest military can be both scary and also a flex. No one knows what he might do. We did learn when he says two weeks he means less than 24 hours so we got a cheat sheet code. I don’t negotiate with people so I have no idea if it’s an asset to be unpredictable or not…they just better hope they can swim if I’m involved  😉 

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Trump is transactional and he feels Israel especially Bibi is being ungrateful after we did it the favor of striking the three sites. However our uniparty foreign policy gang is going to steer him away from actually retaliating against Israel outside of angry Truths and snarky call-in media hits on Fox News.

Fantana is right. Nothing has fundamentally changed on the ground for Iran since Israel started this war. Trump wanted to feel like a badass and for a weekend he got many pats on the back from republicans and liberals alike with no media attention whatsoever on how incredibly fucking illegal it was, not to mention hypocritical compared to the media's coverage of Russia threatening a Ukrainian nuclear facility. Very smart people have known for decades that those are sensitive targets with huge ecological repercussions for the region. We don't want another Chernobyl or Fukushima.

The media has really disappointed me, and the bar was already incredibly low.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/early-us-intel-assessment-suggests-strikes-iran-did-not-destroy-nuclear-sites-2025-06-24/

WASHINGTON, June 24 (Reuters) - An early U.S. intelligence assessment indicated that the U.S. military strikes on three of Iran's nuclear facilities last week did not destroy the core components of Tehran's nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, CNN reported on Tuesday, citing three people briefed on it.
"This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong," CNN quoted White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt as saying.

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14 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Fantana is right. Nothing has fundamentally changed on the ground for Iran since Israel started this war. Trump wanted to feel like a badass and for a weekend he got many pats on the back from republicans and liberals alike with no media attention whatsoever on how incredibly fucking illegal it was, not to mention hypocritical compared to the media's coverage of Russia threatening a Ukrainian nuclear facility. Very smart people have known for decades that those are sensitive targets with huge ecological repercussions for the region. We don't want another Chernobyl or Fukushima.

The media has really disappointed me, and the bar was already incredibly low.

1. Y’all see what you want to see, and ignore reality. Everything has changed on the ground for Iran. 

2. The legality of the war is something that is a particularly hilarious concept. The only other people commenting on the legality are the Iranians. Everyone else gets it. 

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37 minutes ago, bolverk said:

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/early-us-intel-assessment-suggests-strikes-iran-did-not-destroy-nuclear-sites-2025-06-24/

WASHINGTON, June 24 (Reuters) - An early U.S. intelligence assessment indicated that the U.S. military strikes on three of Iran's nuclear facilities last week did not destroy the core components of Tehran's nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, CNN reported on Tuesday, citing three people briefed on it.
"This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong," CNN quoted White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt as saying.

it really is fucking ridiculous how consistently you can take it to the bank that the opposite has happened whenever our Commander in Chief, President Trump proclaims something is "pretty well destroyed!"

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I wonder if this still counts as a feather in his cap or not

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/early-us-intel-assessment-suggests-strikes-iran-did-not-destroy-nuclear-sites-2025-06-24/
WASHINGTON, June 24 (Reuters) - An early U.S. intelligence assessment indicated that the U.S. military strikes on three of Iran's nuclear facilities last week did not destroy the core components of Tehran's nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, CNN reported on Tuesday, citing three people briefed on it.
"This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong," CNN quoted White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt as saying.

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43 minutes ago, bolverk said:

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/early-us-intel-assessment-suggests-strikes-iran-did-not-destroy-nuclear-sites-2025-06-24/

WASHINGTON, June 24 (Reuters) - An early U.S. intelligence assessment indicated that the U.S. military strikes on three of Iran's nuclear facilities last week did not destroy the core components of Tehran's nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, CNN reported on Tuesday, citing three people briefed on it.
"This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong," CNN quoted White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt as saying.

on to the next plan

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9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I think @956 Worldwide's post yesterday is right. Iran's ability to both project force and to defend itself have been seriously impacted, their proxies they thought would help have shown themselves unreliable partners, as have Russia and China. The status quo isn't the same.

However, it seems that all we've accomplished is a small delay in their nuclear program. In exchange for that delay, we've made them much likelier to pursue a bomb ASAP, have essentially destroyed international nonproliferation, gave Russia and China some new info on the B-2's capabilities and shown them that our bunker busters may not get the job done.  Oh, and we've made it much likelier that Iran will be ruled by even more hardliners going forward.

You can see how Israel sees all of this as a victory for them. But it's hard to see how it's a victory for us.  

Yeah I think I agree with all of this. Another point is that I suspect we will start hearing more rumblings about discontent within the IRGC, which would indicate a coup could be coming. There's just about no chance that regime change in that form would be favorable to us, though.

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4 minutes ago, elfenix said:

on to the next plan

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That really is a wonderful pull lolol thank you for putting a smile on my face. A bunch of goobers going on a boondoggle crusade is not a bad description of where this is all headed.

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I sure hope there’s more intel to come because if this is true… I don’t know how Trump can convince Israel to call off the dogs. Especially since we’ll likely never see Iran this weak again. 

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3 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I sure hope there’s more intel to come because if this is true… I don’t know how Trump can convince Israel to call off the dogs. Especially since we’ll likely never see Iran this weak again. 

Israel calling off the dogs, or sending the dogs in, isn't the play you have to worry about.

The only next military step left is a ground invasion, and Israel simply can't pull that off in force (sure, they could send in some special ops troops maybe, but they won't be able to accomplish the goals in play here).  Only one possible actor can....

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22 minutes ago, bluto said:

So what’s the play, have the assessments rewritten and then publish?

Keep lying and call the media that corrects his lies liars? I mean what other play is there except the one that works for 80 million American voters? If it ain't broke why fix it?

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11 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I don’t know how Trump can convince Israel to call off the dogs.

Easily. Threaten to stop the money and weapons spigot, and fucking mean it. Israel is incapable of sustaining a campaign against anyone without our money and weapons, period.

Why do you think they threw such a shit fit and Bibi got on the first plane to America to come scold Congress when Biden threatened to reduce military aid by an effectively marginal amount last year if Israel invaded Rafah?

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Israel calling off the dogs, or sending the dogs in, isn't the play you have to worry about.

The only next military step left is a ground invasion, and Israel simply can't pull that off in force (sure, they could send in some special ops troops maybe, but they won't be able to accomplish the goals in play here).  Only one possible actor can....

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Believe it or not, he’s actually been effective at restraining Israel. Their original plan involved going after Iran’s ports and potentially starving them into submission. The ceasefire seems to be holding for now, so maybe the gloves won’t come off after all. 

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26 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I think @956 Worldwide's post yesterday is right. Iran's ability to both project force and to defend itself have been seriously impacted, their proxies they thought would help have shown themselves unreliable partners, as have Russia and China. The status quo isn't the same.

However, it seems that all we've accomplished is a small delay in their nuclear program. In exchange for that delay, we've made them much likelier to pursue a bomb ASAP, have essentially destroyed international nonproliferation, gave Russia and China some new info on the B-2's capabilities and shown them that our bunker busters may not get the job done.  Oh, and we've made it much likelier that Iran will be ruled by even more hardliners going forward.

You can see how Israel sees all of this as a victory for them. But it's hard to see how it's a victory for us.  

I can pretty easily be talked into this being a strategic success, and the world being a better place with a weaker Iran. I'd argue our track record of Middle East intervention to create less terrorists is less than stellar, but still.

I just push back on the notion that, in the last two weeks leading up to the bombing, the dynamic has shifted and new intelligence has come to light, forcing us to act to achieve stability in the region. We did it because Bibi told us to. Period. He's been pushing the NUKES! button for 30 years. I'm not even blaming the administration for doing it. He's certainly not the first President that been at Israel's--who is perfectly capable of decimating any country in the region on their own--beckon call, and being seen as even remotely "anti" Israel is still political suicide (though, nothing is political suicide for Trump). But can we just call a spade a spade?

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Believe it or not, he’s actually been effective at restraining Israel. 

This is like an owner thinking they control their cat while they scoop shit out of a box 

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1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

This is like an owner thinking they control their cat while they scoop shit out of a box 

Israel wanted to take out the supreme leader and Trump said no as well. For all his faults, he does seem to really hate war. 

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6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Easily. Threaten to stop the money and weapons spigot, and fucking mean it.

No, he asked how TRUMP could convince Israel to call off the dogs.  The leader of a dominionist fundagelical death cult (sure, he doesn't actually believe any of that stuff, but needs all those believers to love him) is never, ever going to "restrain" Israel.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

No, he asked how TRUMP could convince Israel to call off the dogs.  The leader of a dominionist fundagelical death cult (sure, he doesn't actually believe any of that stuff, but needs all those believers to love him) is never, ever going to "restrain" Israel.

Yeah I mean obviously he's never going to do it but he could, easily.

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2 hours ago, Captainant said:

The fact of the matter is, any nation operating a nuclear reactor can pretty easily breed plutonium out of U238 and then chemically separate it, rather than dealing with the comparatively extremely difficult isotope separation. That's how we ended up with Little Man - it's far easier to breed plutonium from depleted uranium via neutron bombardment than to separate and enrich U235. 

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32 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Believe it or not, he’s actually been effective at restraining Israel. 

Believe it or not, all Trump cares about regarding the Middle East is getting a Nobel Prize. Literally every thing he's done the last couple of weeks has been all about that. 

First, Israel convinced Trump to bomb Iran. When that seemingly was a success, he floated the idea of Regime Change. Then he posted multiple victory laps claiming WORLD PEACE after announcing the ceasefire.  This morning he got all pissy after Israel's attacks made him look like a dumbass. It only took Iran behaving for 5 minutes for Trump to announce China can buy Iranian oil, and he is now against regime change. 

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

No, he asked how TRUMP could convince Israel to call off the dogs.  The leader of a dominionist fundagelical death cult (sure, he doesn't actually believe any of that stuff, but needs all those believers to love him) is never, ever going to "restrain" Israel.

It's not even that complicated. 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Believe it or not, all Trump cares about regarding the Middle East is getting a Nobel Prize. Literally every thing he's done the last couple of weeks has been all about that. 

First, Israel convinced Trump to bomb Iran. When that seemingly was a success, he floated the idea of Regime Change. Then he posted multiple victory laps claiming WORLD PEACE after announcing the ceasefire.  This morning he got all pissy after Israel's attacks made him look like a dumbass. It only took Iran behaving for 5 minutes for Trump to announce China can buy Iranian oil, and he is now against regime change. 

 

He is a child trying to manipulate everyone to get his favorite toy. Wake up. 

 

 

Look, Iran has absolutely no defenses at the moment and this thing could get really ugly for them. And fast. Trump not being a hawk is a good thing imo. 

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3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It's not even that complicated. 

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Can he fire Nico by executive order? Would she sell the team if he agrees to ground groups in Iran? If so, make it happen already asshole.

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5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Trump is whatever he needs to be for Trump. No more, no less. There is no ideology, outside of what is good for himself. 

 

Maybe. Either way, he seems to want peace and that’s a good thing. 

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