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1 hour ago, Lucid said:

The chatter about replacing Joe with Kamala is comical. The woman was so lackluster in the 2020 primary there were 4 or 5 other candidates polling higher than her in her own state before she dropped out. The lessons of 2016 were never learned. These people still absolutely REFUSE to accept the reality that baboon donald's success is solely due to their own worthlessness. If he wins again they're going to push the same delusion on us as last time- it's not that we are shit and everyone hates us! It's Kennedy and Putin's fault!

Pretty old sock to be dusting off. How many do you actually have?

Posted
8 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Dude, I'm as worried about his debate performance as anyone, but no, it's not "obvious" anything major has happened. He - like millions of other people - has done that half smile smirk for decades, and he had plenty of full-face signature Biden grins the day after in Raleigh. 

Yeah, 2020 and 2012

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19 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Look at Biden’s face. Half of it seems paralyzed. It’s obvious he had a stroke or something major happen. He’s not senile, but he is clearly struggling to communicate in a non-scripted environment where everything is tightly controlled.

When is the last time Biden did a press conference where reporters asked questions instead of only having prepared statements? It’s damaging to the campaign credibility when they tell major donors immediately after the debate that “Biden was probably in better health than most of them” which is obviously a huge lie. He’s not the same guy and it’s a hard thing to see. 

Trump being a huge piece of shit worst candidate ever doesn’t negate the fact that Biden looks like he is going to stroke out at any second. This is going to make a lot of people stay home even though Trump becoming president again is literally the worst thing ever. That’s just the way it is. It’s off putting to think Biden has to campaign across the country and risk his health just to have a chance against a convicted felon lying sack of traitor shit. 
 

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That’s Botox. You can see that same expression on 20-year-old Insta hoes.

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Posted
2 hours ago, LCHorn said:

I just don't see Harris accepting anything less than being the nominee. 

I like @softlynow now's suggestion--if Biden is going to withdraw, resign now.  The entire media will be talking Harris for the next month and it'll give her a good opportunity to shake off some of the negative perceptions of her if she's ready for it. 

You think Harris gets DJT elected because she throws a tantrum? What kind of drugs are you on. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’m not saying Whitmer wouldn’t be a fine candidate. But it’s not a two horse race. There are plenty of capable possibilities. Newsom would be one too. So would Buttigieg but I don’t think he’d run. What about Warren? Or Booker? Whitmer probably ranks relatively low in terms of national name recognition. The point is that they’re all unproven candidates. There’s no sure thing. Joe Biden is the only candidate who’s proven he can beat Trump.

I see a lot of people suffering from what looks a little like backup QB syndrome where in their mind their preferred candidate is the obvious, logical choice and they seem to think it will be plug-n-play. Their candidate should get the nod and off we go. It’s not that simple. And we’ll be taking a risk with any of them. You even used the term “given the nod.” By whom? How many votes at the convention will it take before they settle on anyone? The superdelegates get involved starting with the second vote. Will they be the nod-givers? Anyone other than Harris and it’s going to be a big mess with weeks of infighting while the media focus on the chaos and ignore Trump’s insanity. Harris is the only candidate for whom the transition would go smoothly.

It’s not an opinion that Kamala Harris holds the highest office of any of the would-be contenders. It’s a fact. She’s literally next in line to the presidency. I’ll ignore Aqua’s Ron DeSantis comparison because it’s not worthy of consideration. Have you noticed the propensity for everyone suggesting other candidates to name white candidates? (Save for Michelle Obama but that’s not a realistic suggestion.) What happens if the sitting, capable VP who happens to be black gets passed over for a white candidate of lesser standing? How will black voters deal with that insult? Talk about taking them for granted. Jim Clyburn has already stated that if Joe drops out then he’ll endorse Kamala. Don’t overlook how problematic it will be if Harris gets the shaft.

If Harris does get passed over and we move to a brokered convention, I’d bet that Gavin Newsom would be the most likely nominee. He seems to be positioning himself. He was quick to show his support for Biden after the debate. He’s flying to DC today to “stand with Biden.” Seems to me he’d be in a good position to pick up the mantle if it comes to that.

Maybe Whitmer would be a good candidate to run as his VP.  😝

Being a member of the most loyal and pragmatic voting bloc in the Democratic Party, even I understand that if America refused to elect the most prepared and qualified white woman in 2016, there is nothing in today’s political climate that suggests we would elect any woman, black or white in 2024. Hell, we’re taking away women’s rights - not expanding them.

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Just now, Satchel said:

Being a member of the most loyal and pragmatic voting bloc in the Democratic Party, even I understand that if America refused to elect the most prepared and qualified white woman in 2016, there is nothing in today’s political climate that suggests we would elect any woman, black or white in 2024. Hell, we’re taking away women’s rights - not expanding them.

Except Obama. 

Posted
1 hour ago, troph said:

btw the idea that Trump is Biden's, Hillary's or the liberals fault is fucking laughable. It's the Christians and the monied Republicans fault. he is a VERY compelling and competitive candidate not because of anything the liberals do or don't do but because he is a natural authoritarian strong man who is taking advantage of what was available on the conservative side of our Country.

I was going to say he was compelling because he grabs 'em by the pussy but I see what you're saying.

In all seriousness, this comes down to one party backing an odious piece of shit.  If they backed a sumbitch with any sense of ethics or duty to country this still would be painful, but it wouldn't be existential.

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Posted
1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Pretty sure there is 100% overlap between people begging Joe to step down and people who begged him to replace Kamala as VP both last cycle and early this cycle. 

Nope.  I mean, if that's the narrative you want to go with, then fine.  But it's completely false.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Looks like we lathered some paint on him to make him look healthier:

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Pretty sure there is 100% overlap between people begging Joe to step down and people who begged him to replace Kamala as VP both last cycle and early this cycle. 

Not sure about overlap.  I just don’t want Donald to win and right now it looks like Joe is dead…in the water. Not actually dead. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

In all seriousness, this comes down to one party backing an odious piece of shit.  If they backed a sumbitch with any sense of ethics or duty to country this still would be painful, but it wouldn't be existential.

“Shut up silly woman, said the reptile with a grin, 

You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in”

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Posted
2 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Not sure about overlap.  I just don’t want Donald to win and right now it looks like Joe is dead…in the water. Not actually dead. 

except that all evidence since the debate says otherwise. but keep parroting this bc surely that's useful

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Posted
2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

She, like any Dem... including Biden, would have problems with single issue anti-trans voters.

But I think she'd do better on immigration than Biden.

Governor Whitmer’s Actions to Secure the Border

  • Governor Whitmer is the first Michigan governor to send National Guard personnel in support of the southern border mission. 
  • Governor Whitmer approved requests for National Guard support under both Trump and Biden administrations.
  • The Michigan Army National Guard sent 175 personnel of 3-126 Infantry to locations in Fort Bliss, Laredo, and El Paso, Texas from March 2020 to March 2021. 
  • Additionally, 37 members of Michigan’s 1431 Engineer Company have been on the ground in Zapata, Texas, since October 2020.
  • In 2022, Governor Whitmer visited Michigan soldiers on the southern border to receive a briefing on the deployment’s mission.

 

Sure but how has she done against the hordes of dirty polite people from the North?

Posted

Man the gulag watercooler is going to be lit. There's going to be those of us that told you that Biden should have been replaced this week and then those that say it wouldn't matter as Kamala et al. weren't electable anyway.  

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Posted (edited)
44 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

51mm people turned on the debate, and the majority of the those already wondered if Joe Biden could still do the job. Now they know he can’t. There is no coming back from this and no historical analogy applies.  He could go dap somebody at every Waffle House in America every day between now and November and it won’t change the fact that independent voters in 5 key states will not come his way, period. The window to change minds is closed. It‘s plan B or plan T.

Yep and posting data about dubya leading gore or how Biden won in 2020 is irrelevant.  That was scary bad and there were already rumors that Joe isn’t all there.  Which honestly should be a requirement to be president 

 

Getting cheery about how lively he was at Waffle House and how he said Don lied 26 times isn’t gonna do it

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Posted

He's been out of the public eye for a long time now it seems, but I truly wonder how Bernie Sanders (82 years old) would speak and look on stage, in debates, etc. He always struck me as a lot more "with it" and articulate to begin with, so maybe that helps.

And for those who think it's a foregone conclusion that Biden won't survive a 2nd term-- you guys are aware that people degrade and deteroriate but still live in that diminished state for many years. Sometimes many, many years. Haven't you all had grandparents that lived in their 90's? Heck, if ole Jimmy Carter is still kicking, I think Biden can go a minimum of 4 more years of living. Everyone calm down.

Posted
2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

51mm people turned on the debate, and the majority of the those already wondered if Joe Biden could still do the job. 

Think Pod Save America said another 30 million watched it online and these numbers don't even include the millions upon millions more that saw snippets on social media afterwards. I don't see how people can sit by and hope that people will have moved on and that he won't do the exact same thing again in the future. 

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Posted
14 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Not sure about overlap.  I just don’t want Donald to win and right now it looks like Joe is dead…in the water. Not actually dead. 

But mostly dead.

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Posted
1 minute ago, SimonBolivar said:

Think Pod Save America said another 30 million watched it online and these numbers don't even include the millions upon millions more that saw snippets on social media afterwards. I don't see how people can sit by and hope that people will have moved on and that he won't do the exact same thing again in the future. 

Gotta get the questions for the next debate first.  Change the format etc 

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Biden needs a moment like this video where he unexpectedly displays some wit mixed with some self-deprecating humor. He needs to lead with it in the first debate, address the elephant in the room head on, and then wipe the floor on facts and quips.

How Ronald Reagan handled questions about his age and mental accuity: 

 

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

51mm people turned on the debate, and the majority of the those already wondered if Joe Biden could still do the job. Now they know he can’t. There is no coming back from this and no historical analogy applies.  He could go dap somebody at every Waffle House in America every day between now and November and it won’t change the fact that independent voters in 5 key states will not come his way, period. The window to change minds is closed. It‘s plan B or plan T.

Maybe. Maybe not. You won't know until people actually vote. Your guess is as good as anyone else's.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Gotta get the questions for the next debate first.  Change the format etc 

Yeah, he certainly wasn't expecting those curveball questions about the economy, border, J6, inflation, or age! Who could've possibly known CNN would ask those kinds of questions in the debate.

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Posted
13 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Think Pod Save America said another 30 million watched it online and these numbers don't even include the millions upon millions more that saw snippets on social media afterwards. I don't see how people can sit by and hope that people will have moved on and that he won't do the exact same thing again in the future. 

Some of us don't see how you convince Joe Biden to resign or drop out of the race. That has to happen first.

Posted
1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Maybe. Maybe not. You won't know until people actually vote. Your guess is as good as anyone else's.

Right, but people are all out there telling you that they don't want to vote for Joe because of his age concerns. Now most of them are probably full of shit and are voting for Trump no matter what, but I HIGHLY doubt that it's all of these people especially the young people. At the same time how many Americans are there right now that say they're only voting for Joe or they're staying home? That doesn't seem like a segment that exists.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Some of us don't see how you convince Joe Biden to resign or drop out of the race. That has to happen first.

I think he'd listen to reason with enough pressure, but yeah that is step #1.

Posted
15 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

He needs to lead with it in the first debate, address the elephant in the room head on, and then wipe the floor on facts and quips.

 

...did you miss something?

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25 minutes ago, South Austin said:

But mostly dead.

A-ha!

 

11 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Right, but people are all out there telling you that they don't want to vote for Joe because of his age concerns. Now most of them are probably full of shit and are voting for Trump no matter what, but I HIGHLY doubt that it's all of these people especially the young people. At the same time how many Americans are there right now that say they're only voting for Joe or they're staying home? That doesn't seem like a segment that exists.

Hey I got an idea- let’s take people who already didn’t want to vote for Biden, who were already dispirited by their choices and didn’t want to pull the lever, and rub his diminished capacity in their nose and run them through a giant public freakout while Biden loses 2-3 points in key states where he was already 1-2 down. 
Are they more or less likely to vote? 
Or just Michigan- let’s say you are a young Lebanese or Palestinian American autoworker who was willing to vote Biden despite everything (despite Gaza, despite your redneck yooper buddies on the line talking Trump/MAGA shit every day), and now it looks like an enfeebled old man who can’t actually do the job even if he does win. How does Biden whistle stopping past the graveyard for the next 3 months get you to the polling place? 
 

 Not Trump is enough for me. It’s probably enough for 65-70mm people. It’s not enough for the next 10-12 he needs to win.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Some of us don't see how you convince Joe Biden to resign or drop out of the race. That has to happen first.

We're in a RBG situation and scared to be mean to the old person.

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Posted

Sundowning is a very real thing.  Has Joe been doing all the latest work earlier in the day?  He has definitely looked better.  But I'm still worried about our lovable Gramps...

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

...did you miss something?

Uh oh, looks look somebody had a senior moment!

Posted
38 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

51mm people turned on the debate, and the majority of the those already wondered if Joe Biden could still do the job. Now they know he can’t. There is no coming back from this and no historical analogy applies.  He could go dap somebody at every Waffle House in America every day between now and November and it won’t change the fact that independent voters in 5 key states will not come his way, period. The window to change minds is closed. It‘s plan B or plan T.

Nails it.  People keep looking at polls all over.   None of that shit matters.  A couple hundred thousand people in 5 states matter.  And how the fuck is he getting those back?  

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Posted
2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Nails it.  People keep looking at polls all over.   None of that shit matters.  A couple hundred thousand people in 5 states matter.  And how the fuck is he getting those back?  

Yep 90% of Dems will vote for Joe. 90% of pubs will vote for the criminal.  Who wins the independents in Arizona , Ohio, Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and North Carolina?  And what issues do they care about 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Well, I am 60. Bare with me, whippersnappers.

You want us to get naked with you?

Not kink shaming, but I'll pass

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Well, I am 60. Bare with me, whippersnappers.

I ain't gonna get naked with a 60-year-old man.

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Posted
1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

The sun will probably come up tomorrow.  But it hasn't yet.  How do any of us really know?

"Laws change; people die; the land remains." – Abraham Lincoln

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Posted
43 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Yep and posting data about dubya leading gore or how Biden won in 2020 is irrelevant.  That was scary bad and there were already rumors that Joe isn’t all there.  Which honestly should be a requirement to be president 

Let's make not being a treasonous criminal a requirement while we're at it. Jesus fuck I can't believe this is where we are. It's like the choices just keep getting worse every 4 years. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Satchel said:

Being a member of the most loyal and pragmatic voting bloc in the Democratic Party, even I understand that if America refused to elect the most prepared and qualified white woman in 2016, there is nothing in today’s political climate that suggests we would elect any woman, black or white in 2024. Hell, we’re taking away women’s rights - not expanding them.

same with Pete, no way he could win (and from the voting bloc that might give y'all a run for your money). hey girl hey!



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