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38 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

This jibes pretty well with what I’ve been saying.

Kamala Harris top choice to replace Joe Biden if he steps aside, sources say

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/vp-harris-top-choice-replace-biden-election-race-if-he-steps-aside-sources-say-2024-07-03/

WASHINGTON, July 3 (Reuters) - Vice President Kamala Harris is the top alternative to replace U.S. President Joe Biden if he decides not to continue his reelection campaign, according to seven senior sources at the Biden campaign, the White House and the Democratic National Committee with knowledge of current discussions on the topic.

Biden's fumbling, sometimes-incoherent and widely-panned first-debate performance against Republican rival Donald Trump last week set off a wave of panic within the Democratic party over concerns that he may not be fit enough to serve a second term, and prompted calls for top aides to resign.

Some influential Democrats have floated alternatives to Biden besides Harris, including popular cabinet members and Democratic governors like Gavin Newsom from California, Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan and Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. But trying to sidestep Harris is wishful thinking and would be nearly impossible, these sources, who did not wish to be named, said.

If named as the party nominee, Harris, 59, would take over money raised by the Biden campaign and inherit campaign infrastructure, the sources said. She also has the highest name recognition among all the alternatives, and the highest polling among Democrats who could seriously be considered a candidate, the sources said.

In a Reuters/Ipsos poll published Tuesday, Harris trailed Trump by one percentage point at 42% to 43%, a difference that was well within the poll's 3.5 percentage point margin of error, a showing statistically just as strong as Biden's.

In addition, she has already been vetted for national office and has survived intense scrutiny from Republicans, they said. Also, U.S. Representative Jim Clyburn, the man who was key to Biden's 2020 win, told MSNBC he would support Harris to be the Democratic nominee if Biden stepped aside.

"It's pretty near impossible to win the nomination over the vice president," said Michael Trujillo, a Democratic strategist from California who worked for Hillary Clinton's campaign in 2008 and 2016.

White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Tuesday that Biden just had a "bad night" at the debate and would continue to make his case for reelection to the American people. The Biden campaign deferred to Harris's team for comment on the story.

Harris's aides dismissed any talk of a Democratic ticket that doesn't include both Biden and Harris. "Vice President Harris looks forward to serving a second term with President Joe Biden," a statement from her office said.

Biden's campaign has amassed 3,894 delegates after state primaries, leaving only a few dozen "uncommitted" delegates outstanding. They are expected to formally nominate Biden later this month in a virtual meeting, ahead of the Democrats' nominating convention in August.

"All of the delegates are not just Joe Biden delegates, they are Kamala Harris delegates," Trujillo said, adding "she will have a sizable delegation and support in all 50 states on day one," he said.

Donna Brazile, the former interim chair of the Democratic National Committee, who has a key committee role at this year's Democratic National Convention in August, said the person who can step in right away, if Biden decides not to run, is Harris.

"People may have dreams of another superhero but there is a process and the last time I checked it's a Biden-Harris ticket, she's number two on the ticket," Brazile said, adding Biden remains the nominee for the Democratic party and "is not going anywhere."

Passing over the first Black and woman vice president for another candidate would lead to a backlash from Black and women voters who are key to any victory, several Democratic strategists said.

'IMPOSSIBLE TO IGNORE KAMALA'

Still, Harris has been sidestepped in a lot of the speculation since the debate because some influential Democrats have little faith she can beat Trump, four of the sources said.

The United States has never elected a woman president, and Harris has spent much of her time as vice president struggling to distinguish herself in a role that is by definition a supporting one. As recently as last year, many inside the White House and the Biden campaign privately worried she was a liability for the campaign.

Since then, Harris has managed to find her stride on the issue of abortion rights but her polling has not improved significantly. Harris's approval ratings hover under 40%, but according to recent polling highlighted by the Biden campaign, she and the president have similar odds of beating Trump.

The vice president has also been consistently targeted by Republicans and conservative media in attacks many allies consider sexist and racist.

Three Democratic donors, who have recently been pushing for Biden to step aside, also said this week they think it will be "impossible" to sidestep Harris. The donors had been floating Whitmer and Newsom's names as possible alternatives until the past weekend.

"There is a real conversation in the Democratic party about leadership right now, but fair to say, and I'm not thrilled about this... it will be impossible to ignore Kamala," said one of the donors.

Another donor said "she's nobody's choice, but yeah, nearly impossible."

Still, the president's reelection campaign is standing its ground, emboldened by a stronger performance by Biden during a scripted speech in North Carolina even as calls for him to step aside grow.

Stephanie Cutter, deputy campaign manager for former President Barack Obama, whose firm is on contract to produce the Democratic National Convention in August, said "President Biden is the nominee and he's going to remain the nominee."

"For those who are looking for some sort of interparty fight, be careful what you wish for because that would ensure a Trump victory," she said in a statement.

I don’t know if anyone else watched ABC News last night but it just hit me like a brick that the plan is already in motion. You could tell by the coordinated messaging. They even had Pelosi on camera basically saying voters are right to question whether Biden can continue. There is NO way she does that unless it’s happening. 

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Interesting that the NYT poll showed that Biden narrowed Trump’s margin with independents. It’s mostly skittish Dems right now 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Sounds like something is brewing…

Good lord VEEP is coming to life right before our eyes

 

 

Not sure how that would work but neither Harris or Newsom would likely win that.

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Interesting that the NYT poll showed that Biden narrowed Trump’s margin with independents. It’s mostly skittish Dems right now 

Well I think some would argue we never got a true primary because everyone deferred to Biden even if they had rightful reservations about his age and how much he may or may not be diminished. We're not having that discussion because it's very real. It played out for the whole country to see and it could lose all of us everything. 

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16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I mean, everyone realizes that if Joe were to have real problems, Kamala would become president anyway, right? How exactly does it move the needle to put her on the top of the ticket? Where a bunch of the "concerned moderates" will undoubtedly fall for the incoming wave of racist and misogynistic attacks? Yeah, that'll work, sure thing.


her brain isn’t mashed potatoes? Trump’s brain is reheated mashed potatoes but he’s got 42-45% of the electorate no matter what. 

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Nothing is more big D democrat than convincing Joe Biden not to run only to put Kamila Harris at the top of the ticket.

Donald trump will not lose to a woman. Period.

In addition the short time period from now until November means we need name ID.

i can’t see anyone other than Gavin Newson to fill the top of the ticket. 
 

Never underestimate the power of looking presidential, being tall, and being good looking. Especially when you’re running against a fat ghoul who keeps talking about criminals and people killing babies after they’re born. 

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Just now, Dnaguy said:

Nothing is more big D democrat than convincing Joe Biden not to run only to put Kamila Harris at the top of the ticket.

Donald trump will not lose to a woman. Period.

In addition the short time period from now until November means we need name ID.

i can’t see anyone other than Gavin Newson to fill the top of the ticket. 

Yup. It's not fair, at all, but it's absolutely true, a woman, a Black women especially, has zero chance, period. It would play right into maga's hands. I agree, if a change was absolutely necessary, it has to be Newsome, he is the most skilled politician available. 

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This is what’s going to happen:

”It can’t be Joe Biden”

Okay Kamala then. NO SHE SUCKS

Okay., Whitmer. ANOTHER WOMAN WHO LOSES TO TRUMP

okay, Newsom. COMMIEFORNIA!!!!!! Sleazy looking car salesman! Kimberly Guilyfoyl!!!

Warnock? BLACK. 

Shapiro? Jew

Pete? Ew, a gay

 

face it, everyone thinks there’s this perfect Democrat who exists to take Joe’s place. There isn’t.

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Yup. It's not fair, at all, but it's absolutely true, a woman, a Black women especially, has zero chance, period. It would play right into maga's hands. I agree, if a change was absolutely necessary, it has to be Newsome, he is the most skilled politician available. 

Emphasized for truth.  If you think that nominating a black woman to be voted on by the shit-for-brains voter in this fetid shithole of a country has ANY chance of turning out well, you haven't been paying attention.  To anything.  At all.

We are a lot closer to the country that didn't allow women to vote or have a credit card, and that lynched black people with no repercussions, than we are to a country that will elect a black woman president.  You don't have to like that truth, but it doesn't make it any less true.

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5 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:


her brain isn’t mashed potatoes? Trump’s brain is reheated mashed potatoes but he’s got 42-45% of the electorate no matter what. 

Neither is Biden's, but lets keep saying it, because some "centrists" who thus far are okay with another presidency from donald fucking trump might just change their minds. They definitely won't fall for the next wave of attacks on the new candidate. Cause their just so smart, which is why they are still on the fence over whether donald fucking trump should be president again. 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

This is what’s going to happen:

”It can’t be Joe Biden”

Okay Kamala then. NO SHE SUCKS

Okay., Whitmer. ANOTHER WOMAN WHO LOSES TO TRUMP

okay, Newsom. COMMIEFORNIA!!!!!!

Warnock? BLACK. 

Shapiro? Jew

Pete? Ew, a gay

 

face it, everyone thinks there’s this perfect Democrat who exists to take Joe’s place. There isn’t.

Except Michelle Obama, the black women foreigner wife of that terrorist Hussian Obama. 

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Yup. It's not fair, at all, but it's absolutely true, a woman, a Black women especially, has zero chance, period. It would play right into maga's hands. I agree, if a change was absolutely necessary, it has to be Newsome, he is the most skilled politician available. 

I am not sure Newsom can win being from California.  The right will blanket the airwaves until election day with Newsom will turn your state into the hell hole that is CA with homeless people everywhere, crime everywhere, drag queens teaching your kids, etc... ( I love California so I don't personally believe any of that shit).  They will flat out put lies out there, but I guarantee you it will scare the shit out of enough independents that they will vote for Trump.  That is the biggest problem with Biden dropping out.  Fox News and the right will just lie about whomever becomes the nominee and unfortunately, they will win the propaganda battle.

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You know, yesterday I thought there was no way you replace Joe with Kamala. No way she can win because she's a black woman. Today, I feel differently. Yes, we're a racist and misogynistic country but one of the single biggest winning issues for Democrats is abortion rights. Supposedly, she's made good headway by talking about it. If you elevate her to be the nominee, you take away Trump's single biggest issue, that Biden is too old and feeble to be President. You then make him the old and feeble one. Then you get everyone on board to go after him. You get women out to vote. You get out the African American vote. You have a puncher's chance of winning. 

With Biden we're definitely getting another 4 years of Trump. The damage has been done. Now every point going forward that he slips up, it will be magnified. I'd rather roll the dice with Kamala. Sure, we probably lose but you change the narrative back to what Trump's next 4 years would look like instead of will Biden survive to serve out his term. The Democrats need to change the message because right it's not a winning strategy. I don't love our chances but we're not winning with Biden. 

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1 minute ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I am not sure Newsom can win being from California.  The right will blanket the airwaves until election day with Newsom will turn your state into the hell hole that is CA with homeless people everywhere, crime everywhere, drag queens teaching your kids, etc... ( I love California so I don't personally believe any of that shit).  They will flat out put lies out there, but I guarantee you it will scare the shit out of enough independents that they will vote for Trump.  That is the biggest problem with Biden dropping out.  Fox News and the right will just lie about whomever becomes the nominee and unfortunately, they will win the propaganda battle.

Like they're not gonna do that regardless

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LIBERAL GAVIN NEWSOM CAN'T EVEN HELP CITIES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND LOS ANGELES WITH THEIR HOMELESS PROBLEM, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN HELP AMERICA WITH HER PROBLEMS? /easiest campaign attack ad 

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5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Neither is Biden's, but lets keep saying it, because some "centrists" who thus far are okay with another presidency from donald fucking trump might just change their minds. They definitely won't fall for the next wave of attacks on the new candidate. Cause their just so smart, which is why they are still on the fence over whether donald fucking trump should be president again. 


not sure what point you are trying to make is. But Biden 100% looked unelectable during the debate.
 

We can all howl at the moon at how unfair it is that Trump is a deranged lunatic and senile Biden “isn’t Trump” or we could try something else. 

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Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

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1 minute ago, mdmost said:

LIBERAL GAVIN NEWSOM CAN'T EVEN HELP CITIES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND LOS ANGELES WITH THEIR HOMELESS PROBLEM, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN HELP AMERICA WITH HER PROBLEMS? /easiest campaign attack ad 

HER???? Stop putting pronouns on things, you socialist pedophile feminazi 

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2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

LIBERAL GAVIN NEWSOM CAN'T EVEN HELP CITIES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND LOS ANGELES WITH THEIR HOMELESS PROBLEM, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN HELP AMERICA WITH HER PROBLEMS? /easiest campaign attack ad 

Who’s the candidate that Republicans won’t run negative attack ads against?

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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

I think you lose the rust belt with Kamala. 

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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

Hawk Tuah would have a better chance than Kamala

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1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Who’s the candidate that Republicans won’t run negative attack ads against?

What is the current perception of San Francisco right now with middle America? Gavin's hometown is thought to be a shithole filled with crime, drugs, and rampant homelessness. It's very easy to plaster than over and over and have it be an effective strategy.  

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4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

Gretchen 

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4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

Kamila Harris doesn’t win you Arizona or Pennsylvania and probably loses Wisconsin. Don’t think that math works.

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I think you lose the rust belt with Kamala. 

You're losing the Rust Belt with Biden too. But if you add a Rust Belt governor and you campaign the shit out of there, you have a chance. 

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1 minute ago, mdmost said:

What is the current perception of San Francisco right now with middle America? Gavin's hometown is thought to be a shithole filled with crime, drugs, and rampant homelessness. It's very easy to plaster than over and over and have it be an effective strategy.  

De Santis tried debating Newsome and brought out his poop map, but I don't think it ended up being as effective as he thought it was going to be.

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Just now, mdmost said:

You're losing the Rust Belt with Biden too. But if you add a Rust Belt governor and you campaign the shit out of there, you have a chance. 

I don’t agree that you’re losing the rust belt with Biden. Ds have been crushing in those states for the past 6 years 

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Just now, Dbeasy said:

Gretchen 

They'll be playing videos of her side by side with Hillary Clinton. She'll be considered just as unlikeable within a month. The independents that will supposedly swing this election will fall for every attack on every replacement, period, that's who they are. The only possible appeal to them is Biden's four year record of accomplishments. Anyone who is on the fence between donald trump and literally anybody else is already a lost cause.

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Just now, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

De Santis tried debating Newsome and brought out his poop map, but I don't think it ended up being as effective as he thought it was going to be.

A poop map, no. Video after video of Union Square in SF would be pretty effective. 

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So 8 years of y'all and the media talking about Trump tapping into an ugly and unengaged portion of the American electorate.  And the grand idea is to put a new ticket forward topped by somebody that will bring out even more of the ugly and unengaged portion of the American electorate, a significant portion of whom were somewhat likely to sit this one out?  Because reasons?  

Oh yeah, totally forgot.  This is the election cycle to tell moderates and independents like me that it's time to try something bold and progressive with 7 million swing state lunatics just begging for a reason to get up off their recliners and vote for Trump.  If only the party had 3.5+ years to figure this out ahead of time.  Most of the folks you've mentioned on here are perfectly electable and can raise money and kickass on TV.  But your party doesn't win if all the straight-ticket, MAGA lunatics, middle-of-the-roaders, plus a few million new lunatics turn out to spite some of the nominees you're talking about.  Suppress the unsettled Trump voter turnout.  That's the only way this works.  But yeah, maybe a youth music festival for Kamala will save the Republic.  Where the fuck do these ideas come from?  

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I don’t agree that you’re losing the rust belt with Biden. Ds have been crushing in those states for the past 6 years 

Yet the state by state polling shows Biden losing as we speak. I know, I know. Let's ignore polling unless it agrees with our bias. 

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Whatever winds up happening, we better fucking get united on this shit or it won't matter one bit. Or get used to King Donald until he fucking dies.

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I am not sure Newsom can win being from California.  The right will blanket the airwaves until election day with Newsom will turn your state into the hell hole that is CA with homeless people everywhere, crime everywhere, drag queens teaching your kids, etc... ( I love California so I don't personally believe any of that shit).  They will flat out put lies out there, but I guarantee you it will scare the shit out of enough independents that they will vote for Trump.  That is the biggest problem with Biden dropping out.  Fox News and the right will just lie about whomever becomes the nominee and unfortunately, they will win the propaganda battle.

Anyone listening to Fox News isn’t voting Democrat regardless of the candidate.

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yet the state by state polling shows Biden losing as we speak. I know, I know. Let's ignore polling unless it agrees with our bias. 

The CBS poll from today showed Biden up in PA I believe. 
But also, yea we should ignore the polling. Again Dems have overperformed the polls nationwide basically since Trump was elected. 
We also know the issues with polling this early.

Do you think Kamala would have a better chance of holding the rust belt than Joe? I don’t. Even with Whitmer as a VP. I see basically zero chance that an all female ticket could carry that part of the country. Ask Hillary

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Posted
54 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Kamala/Barack 2024

do it jewish GIF

I don't think he wants to do more work anymore. He's earned his rest.

I'm trying to think of a popular, young, white guy who isn't Buttigieg that can hold onto the Biden's states in the southwest and midwest without costing you a House or Senate seat or governor's mansion.

I kind of like Rep Brendan Boyle (Philadelphia).

 

 

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Democrats have always been terrible with messaging 

Donald Trump is convicted felon, rapist, racist, extreme narcissist, stupid, an idiotic braggart, habitual liar, ruined America's streak for peaceful transfers of power, weakens our allies and admires our enemies, has the worst fucking kids, oh and is an ugly orange stained loser with weird fucking hair. But the prevailing narrative for this election is Joe Biden is old. Now alot of that is because our corporate media oligarchs keep repeating that point to the public and treat Trump as if he was a legitimate candidate.

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Okay Medhi, that’s rude. Some of us aren’t geriatric and are only engaged and dependable between 10am and 4pm

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Democrats have always been terrible with messaging 

Donald Trump is convicted felon, rapist, racist, extreme narcissist, stupid, an idiotic braggart, habitual liar, ruined America's streak for peaceful transfers of power, weakens our allies and admires our enemies, has the worst fucking kids, oh and is an ugly orange stained loser with weird fucking hair. But the prevailing narrative for this election is Joe Biden is old. Now alot of that is because our corporate media oligarchs keep repeating that point to the public and treat Trump as if he was a legitimate candidate.


Biden can no longer make that message.  Because he is 81 years old in obvious cognitive decline. 

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Just now, Rex Kramer said:

Horse hockey. Unless you think the country has regressed since Obama’s convincing victories?  Wait don’t answer that. You in particular. 

In all honesty I don’t think the country wouldn’t elect a woman or black woman. Hilary was untenable (at the time). Kamala likely will be too. If she were inclined Michelle would win easily. Maga will vote how they’ll vote and it wouldn’t matter. 

You think the country hasn’t regressed since then?

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7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

The CBS poll from today showed Biden up in PA I believe. 
But also, yea we should ignore the polling. Again Dems have overperformed the polls nationwide basically since Trump was elected. 
We also know the issues with polling this early.

Do you think Kamala would have a better chance of holding the rust belt than Joe? I don’t. Even with Whitmer as a VP. I see basically zero chance that an all female ticket could carry that part of the country. Ask Hillary

I agree no all-female ticket. But they will be livid if Kamala is passed up for the top job.

I agree she doesn't deserve it, but there's no way she or her fans would accept being VP to someone besides Biden. And the optics of the black woman with the most qualifications being passed up for someone else that probably isn't a black woman? Horrible.

This isn't Bellmont. It's the Democratic party and that shit matters.

So, I've come to accept that the only way it won't be Harris is if she rejects the opportunity and her base truly believes that it was her idea to reject it. And I've come to accept that that probably won't happen because the only way the money raised by the campaign doesn't go away is if she's on the ticket, which means she has to explain why she'd rather be VP than President in a way that doesn't sound like complete bullshit.

It's obvious she wants to be president, and a few clips from the 2020 primary debates where she laid into Joe Biden prove it.

That's where we're at. It's gonna be Harris / TBD.

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16 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

So 8 years of y'all and the media talking about Trump tapping into an ugly and unengaged portion of the American electorate.  And the grand idea is to put a new ticket forward topped by somebody that will bring out even more of the ugly and unengaged portion of the American electorate, a significant portion of whom were somewhat likely to sit this one out?  Because reasons?  

Oh yeah, totally forgot.  This is the election cycle to tell moderates and independents like me that it's time to try something bold and progressive with 7 million swing state lunatics just begging for a reason to get up off their recliners and vote for Trump.  If only the party had 3.5+ years to figure this out ahead of time.  Most of the folks you've mentioned on here are perfectly electable and can raise money and kickass on TV.  But your party doesn't win if all the straight-ticket, MAGA lunatics, middle-of-the-roaders, plus a few million new lunatics turn out to spite some of the nominees you're talking about.  Suppress the unsettled Trump voter turnout.  That's the only way this works.  But yeah, maybe a youth music festival for Kamala will save the Republic.  Where the fuck do these ideas come from?  

To be fair, you have terrible ideas and share a significant portion of the responsibility for the failures of your former party, including Trump. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, bolverk said:

The fat old bastard could also have a heart attack in the next few months.

Four years ago, the 78-year-old guy had trouble navigating a ramp, drinking a glass of water, had to undergo cognitive tests.

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Again, why do we ignore that asshole's infirmities and how he's declined since then?

Biden had a horrible night on one stage, while Trump had numerous brain glitches over the past few months at his rallies aside from his insane ramblings like confusing Haley for Pelosi and Obama for Biden.

Has everyone forgotten this speech: "We are a nation that just recently heard that Saudi Arabia and Russia...ooh... aah." The press would call for Biden to step down if he glitched like this quick clip. Why haven't they with Trump?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5108747/user-clip-half-minute-sentence

Even the majority of posters in this thread, which are overwhelmingly against Trump, seem to have forgotten that Trump has been showing signs of slipping.

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Here are my unsolicited opinions:

I'm not comfortable with an 80-year-old in the White House, whether that's Trump or Biden.

Biden's speech impediment seems to have worsened, and he mumbles more. The timbre of his voice also sounds like he's losing his hearing, which might explain some of the mumbling. These issues are on top of the fact that I feel like he's never been a good orator. While those are terrible qualities in a candidate whose primary job is communication, they don't necessarily translate to bad decision-making (aided by advisors) while occupying the office, which matters most as president.

Aside from all of that, Biden had a hectic international travel schedule in June, followed by week-long intense preparations for the debate. He may well have simply been showing signs of mental/physical exhaustion while on cold meds when he was up on that stage.

I can't yet determine his "fitness" for the job to my own satisfaction, as we don't have too many data points of Biden performing that badly on camera. He seemed fine during his speech in Normandy at the beginning of June. I think a lot depends on how the interview goes in a couple of days, focusing on coherence and intelligibility. In other words, I'll pay attention to what he says as much as how he says it to discern whether it's speech-related communication or brain-related cognition.

If it goes poorly, I'm mentally preparing for him to step aside for Harris or whomever. I guess that also applies to that happening even if it does go well since there seems to be an air of inevitability about it right now. It's beyond sad that we've reached this point, but I'll wholeheartedly support anyone on the ticket.

Democracy over destruction.

spot on.

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I agree no all-female ticket. But they will be livid if Kamala is passed up for the top job.

I agree she doesn't deserve it, but there's no way she or her fans would accept being VP to someone besides Biden. And the optics of the black woman with the most qualifications being passed up for someone else that probably isn't a black woman? Horrible.

This isn't Bellmont. It's the Democratic party and that shit matters.

So, I've come to accept that the only way it won't be Harris is if she rejects the opportunity and her base truly believes that it was her idea to reject it. And I've come to accept that that probably won't happen because the only way the money raised by the campaign doesn't go away is if she's on the ticket, which means she has to explain why she'd rather be VP than President in a way that doesn't sound like complete bullshit.

It's obvious she wants to be president, and a few clips from the 2020 primary debates where she laid into Joe Biden prove it.

That's where we're at. It's gonna be Harris / TBD.

I don’t like Kamala. She’s a cop imo. But I think she’s the only real option if Joe were to step down. And that’s the problem. I would be much more confident in Joe winning than her. 

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2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

followed by week-long intense preparations for the debate.

This was by far the biggest mistake. It was never going to be a debate of substance. They should have just let Scranton Joe loose from the start 

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