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24 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

It's mindboggling that we are on the razor's edge of becoming a theocracy. 

It’s mind-boggling that we are at that point in The Handmaid’s Tale where they do flashbacks to when things started to not add up and we are way past that point as a country.

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10 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Government professor just walked by with his dogs.  His take is we’re looking at a loss either way.  

Well sure, when you're running against a wannabe autocrat who is promising to be a dictator, and is also a convicted felon and rapist who wants to terminate our constitution..... How can you compete with that? It's all just too good to be true. 

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21 minutes ago, Red Five said:

72% of voters don't think he has the mental capacity at this point to be president. It's over. 

The poll was taken immediately after the debate. It is far from over.  It has the be.  There isn't a viable alternative.

- Biden does need to show much better during his public showings - hit the campaign trail, get on TV, drop the cold meds, kick ass at the next debate, etc.  

- The media and Dem talking heads needs to get their acts together.  The NYT and other mainstream outlets (CNN) pushing horserace BS is fucking shit up.  NYT constantly trying to put trump back in the white house is weird as fuck.

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14 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Government professor just walked by with his dogs.  His take is we’re looking at a loss either way.  

Professors are dumb as fuck.  What did the dogs think?

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40 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Kendrick has destroyed Drake into oblivion. Saying you live next to him isn’t the flex you think it is unless this is 2014.

Not to be that guy, but he’s saying he lives next to the guy, not that he rates him in anyways. You live next to the Aubrey Drake and not the Drake University, you are probably in a $10mm house in an exclusive gated community.

Which of course is why he’s full of it if he’s saying that.

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1 minute ago, GW Hayduke said:

- Biden does need to show much better during his public showings - hit the campaign trail, get on TV, drop the cold meds, kick ass at the next debate, etc.  

Yeah, and if I ran a 4.2 40-yard dash back in the day I might have gone SEC.

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1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

Not to be that guy, but he’s saying he lives next to the guy, not that he rates him in anyways. You live next to the Aubrey Drake and not the Drake University, you are probably in a $10mm house in an exclusive gated community.

Which of course is why he’s full of it if he’s saying that.

Oh I know exactly what he was saying. He was trying to use it as a flex.

It’s not a flex. 

Posted
37 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

A few musings on our current situation.

- The goal should be to maximize the probability Trump and the current version of the GOP do not take the white house.

- Biden beat Trump once. He has a lot to run on - has been the best president in the last 50 years, has passed a ton of meaningful legislation, has been a moral and decent individual, fixed the economy, fixed our relationships with our allies, and is standing with Ukraine against Russia. 

- Biden does need to show much better during his public showings - hit the campaign trail, get on TV, drop the cold meds, kick ass at the next debate, etc.  

- I don't see how there can be another viable replacement.  Some see Kamala as the obvious choice to replace Biden, but she couldn't make it to the first caucus in the Democratic Primary in 2020.  She was like 7th or 8th in the field of democrats.  Plus, being VP doesn't make you the best candidate - it just means you were willing to take the VP job, that you had the identity to help shore up particular demographics, and that you complimented the president.  Being VP doesn't mean you are better than Bernie, Pete, or Elizabeth.  Plus, remember all the Bernie bros who felt cheated in 2016 and refused to vote for Hillary helping put Trump in the white house even though Bernie lost the popular count and the delegate count.  Now imagine what will happen when we choose someone who literally didn't win the primary - Imagine who all would be staying home under that scenario.

- The media and Dem talking heads needs to get their acts together.  The NYT and other mainstream outlets pushing horserace BS is fucking shit up.  NYT constantly trying to put trump back in the white house is weird as fuck.

The bottom line is that we need Joe.  I see him as the only viable candidate to beat trump.  However, he needs to step up in a big way, Dems need to rally around him, and the media needs to stop fucking around and do their jobs - push felon, rape, project 2025, supreme court, etc. instead of Biden drama. 

This is a great summary. POS rep.

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Oh I know exactly what he was saying. He was trying to use it as a flex.

It’s not a flex. 

Being worth 8 figures (the inference he wants us to make by saying he’s Drake neighbor) is 100% a flex where I come from. But we are just poor common clay people.

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5 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

This is a great summary. POS rep.

Being worth 8 figures (the inference he wants us to make by saying he’s Drake neighbor) is 100% a flex where I come from. But we are just poor common clay people.

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Posted
9 hours ago, Pimphand said:

Latter

Just keep your tin foil and gold ready for that next solar storm. You're sure to be right eventually! Also, I hear it is best to share the location of your gold with @immamac so he can help secure it in an emergency. 

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19 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

- Biden does need to show much better during his public showings - hit the campaign trail, get on TV, drop the cold meds, kick ass at the next debate, etc.  

If he was capable of full blown media and campaign blitz, they'd put him on one. Narrator: they're not going to put him on one.

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21 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

- Biden does need to show much better during his public showings - hit the campaign trail, get on TV, drop the cold meds, kick ass at the next debate, etc. 

"Stop being so old and everything will be fine" isn't going to work.

Also, there probably won't be another debate. Even Trump said something like "I'm not going to put Biden through that again." 

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31 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

If he was capable of full blown media and campaign blitz, they'd put him on one. Narrator: they're not going to put him on one.

I think today is huge. He shows well today, we can put this all behind us. Glass half full: we can laugh at ourselves for being Chicken Little's come January 2025.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Kendrick has destroyed Drake into oblivion. Saying you live next to him isn’t the flex you think it is unless this is 2014.

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

He shows well today, we can put this all behind us

You don't understand Calvinball.

Anything short of the Truman Show leaves the door open for speculation and idiocy. The damage can't be fixed.

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Posted
3 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Because dotard is such a respectable figure. 

Think there's plenty of swing voters that realize Trump is a narcissist clown but will still vote for him over a dementia patient that could keel over any day.

I want Biden to win I just don't see it.

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4 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Think there's plenty of swing voters that realize Trump is a narcissist clown but will still vote for him over a dementia patient that could keel over any day.

I want Biden to win I just don't see it.

As someone said upstream your VP nom is usually just to shore up voters where the President is weakest or in most need and to compliment so as to de-risk as much as possible, instead of picking someone who would actually be the 2nd best President (or even a good President, potentially).

This is a black swan type event where we actually needed both, but you still run with Kamala 10/10 times in 2020. Everyone can say they saw this coming with the age, but I think few truly felt it would come home to roost like it did on Thursday of the debate. We are still in somewhat of a shock to what we saw 8 days ago.

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

If he was capable of full blown media and campaign blitz, they'd put him on one. Narrator: they're not going to put him on one.

He just needs to hit up every Lubys he can

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1 hour ago, GW Hayduke said:

The bottom line is that we need Joe.  I see him as the only viable candidate to beat trump.  However, he needs to step up in a big way, Dems need to rally around him, and the media needs to stop fucking around and do their jobs - push felon, rape, project 2025, supreme court, etc. instead of Biden drama. 

The race is already lost if you think Biden is the only person who can beat Trump. Don’t underestimate the amount of people who hate Donald Trump. That kind of hatred transcends party lines yet Dems are failing to take advantage of this because we are all concerned Joe Biden is too fragile to be President.

It’s one thing to see Biden old and struggling, but it’s a whole other thing to be gaslit by your own party about the true nature of Biden’s health. Dems promote honesty and inclusion yet they are dishonest about his capability to be President while isolating him from the public and the media in non-scripted settings. It’s been over a week since the debate and we haven’t gotten any kind of response interview from Biden since then. It shouldn’t have to take so long to directly address something like this.

And everyone clamoring for VP Harris needs to realize that she has been complicit in all of this as well. If Biden announced he wasn’t running before the primaries, there’s no way Kamala would have won the nomination. They effectively cockblocked everyone else from having a fair shot at the nomination by lying about his health. 

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The race is already lost if you think Biden is the only person who can beat Trump. Don’t underestimate the amount of people who hate Donald Trump. That kind of hatred transcends party lines yet Dems are failing to take advantage of this because we are all concerned Joe Biden is too fragile to be President.
It’s one thing to see Biden old and struggling, but it’s a whole other thing to be gaslit by your own party about the true nature of Biden’s health. Dems promote honesty and inclusion yet they are dishonest about his capability to be President while isolating him from the public and the media in non-scripted settings. It’s been over a week since the debate and we haven’t gotten any kind of response interview from Biden since then. It shouldn’t have to take so long to directly address something like this.
And everyone clamoring for VP Harris needs to realize that she has been complicit in all of this as well. If Biden announced he wasn’t running before the primaries, there’s no way Kamala would have won the nomination. They effectively cockblocked everyone else from having a fair shot at the nomination by lying about his health. 

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Ah, I see the media has moved on to can't winning Kamala now. As so many VPs do things to undercut the president they serve under. 

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Biden will most likely stay in the race, lose in the fall and people on the left will scream at the swing voters OMG how could you vote for an incompetent criminal?! And many voters will say well my other option was a man that should be playing bingo at a retirement facility I'm sorry.

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3 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Biden will most likely stay in the race, lose in the fall and people on the left will scream at the swing voters OMG how could you vote for an incompetent criminal?! And many voters will say well my other option was a man that should be playing bingo at a retirement facility I'm sorry.

And everyone who saw it coming will blame those who had their fingers in their ears and it will be 4 years of "run anyone but hillary and you win" redux. 2016-2020 remixed.

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Rearranging the Deck Chairs

One week after his catastrophic debate against Donald Trump, President Joe Biden thinks an interview he is giving to George Stephanopoulos, airing tonight on ABC News, will save his nomination.
Nope.
Biden may appear “with it” in his teleprompter-free exchange, and even answer tough questions crisply with energy and detail. But for all the hype this interview is getting, on the big matter it will be largely immaterial. The Biden reelection effort is over.
The Democratic party won’t nominate Biden after what they saw on June 27, but more importantly what they have learned since. The president and his family were given several days’ grace after he humiliated himself—time they used to gaslight voters and donors while Biden read written remarks instead of actually demonstrating he has the mental and physical capacity to serve four and a half more years. It was insulting. And the response to it was, effectively, a jail break. Devastating leaks about Biden’s condition were first published Tuesday, and continued throughout the week.

The New York Times: “several current and former officials and others who encountered him behind closed doors noticed that he increasingly appeared confused or listless, or would lose the thread of conversations . . . the lapses seemed to be growing more frequent, more pronounced and more worrisome.”
A report from NBC quoted an unnamed senator: “The country saw [at the debate] what those of us who have had personal interactions with him have all known for the last two and a half years.”

New York magazine reported yesterday that disturbed “Democratic officials, activists and donors” have been questioning since January whether Biden could serve another term, or even serve until Election Day: “Longtime friends of the Biden family, who spoke to me on the condition of anonymity, were shocked to find that the president did not remember their names. At a White House event last year, a guest recalled, with horror, realizing that the president would not be able to stay for the reception because, it was clear, he would not be able to make it through the reception.”
Biden, urged on by his wife and son, remains stubbornly in the race. His campaign is planning more travel and big spending. But that money is now being devoted, in part, to damage control, not going after Trump.


On Wednesday, meeting with Democratic governors, Biden declared: “No one’s pushing me out. I’m not leaving. I’m in this race to the end and we’re going to win.” Last night he insisted he’s “going nowhere.”
Yet he conceded in that same meeting that he isn’t up to the grueling 24-hour-a-day job, telling the governors he needs more sleep and can no longer do evening events.

The American people have seen a tired face, the old-man stare, and we could hear the quieter, slower speech. But we have now learned the truth—that he cannot lead us. Donors are  abandoning him and creating a new PAC for a future candidate because no more money should be spent on Biden’s denial.
Republicans are asking, Just who has been presidenting?
The voters will too. And they will feel lied to. They have been.

—A.B. Stoddard

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Biden will most likely stay in the race, lose in the fall and people on the left will scream at the swing voters OMG how could you vote for an incompetent criminal?! And many voters will say well my other option was a man that should be playing bingo at a retirement facility I'm sorry.

I certainly understand the pessimism but the energy has massively shifted around Joe. The BMD are now saying no more candy until you behave. The Biden camp needs to do this with grace and not cost us votes or burn up valuable time, there is nothing for them to prove, the way is lost.

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This is how you move on from Harris.  Tag with her part of the deception.  

Oh you like chaos? Because we're the Democrats and we'll add more chaos to your chaos. 

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If this is the new narrative then it's over. If you want to tag Kamala as being complicit in the deception then that also means the Democratic Party went along with it so they are also complicit. So then really no one is clean in this so how can any voters trust the entire party?

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23 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Rearranging the Deck Chairs

One week after his catastrophic debate against Donald Trump, President Joe Biden thinks an interview he is giving to George Stephanopoulos, airing tonight on ABC News, will save his nomination.
Nope.
Biden may appear “with it” in his teleprompter-free exchange, and even answer tough questions crisply with energy and detail. But for all the hype this interview is getting, on the big matter it will be largely immaterial. The Biden reelection effort is over.
The Democratic party won’t nominate Biden after what they saw on June 27, but more importantly what they have learned since. The president and his family were given several days’ grace after he humiliated himself—time they used to gaslight voters and donors while Biden read written remarks instead of actually demonstrating he has the mental and physical capacity to serve four and a half more years. It was insulting. And the response to it was, effectively, a jail break. Devastating leaks about Biden’s condition were first published Tuesday, and continued throughout the week.

The New York Times: “several current and former officials and others who encountered him behind closed doors noticed that he increasingly appeared confused or listless, or would lose the thread of conversations . . . the lapses seemed to be growing more frequent, more pronounced and more worrisome.”
A report from NBC quoted an unnamed senator: “The country saw [at the debate] what those of us who have had personal interactions with him have all known for the last two and a half years.”

New York magazine reported yesterday that disturbed “Democratic officials, activists and donors” have been questioning since January whether Biden could serve another term, or even serve until Election Day: “Longtime friends of the Biden family, who spoke to me on the condition of anonymity, were shocked to find that the president did not remember their names. At a White House event last year, a guest recalled, with horror, realizing that the president would not be able to stay for the reception because, it was clear, he would not be able to make it through the reception.”
Biden, urged on by his wife and son, remains stubbornly in the race. His campaign is planning more travel and big spending. But that money is now being devoted, in part, to damage control, not going after Trump.


On Wednesday, meeting with Democratic governors, Biden declared: “No one’s pushing me out. I’m not leaving. I’m in this race to the end and we’re going to win.” Last night he insisted he’s “going nowhere.”
Yet he conceded in that same meeting that he isn’t up to the grueling 24-hour-a-day job, telling the governors he needs more sleep and can no longer do evening events.

The American people have seen a tired face, the old-man stare, and we could hear the quieter, slower speech. But we have now learned the truth—that he cannot lead us. Donors are  abandoning him and creating a new PAC for a future candidate because no more money should be spent on Biden’s denial.
Republicans are asking, Just who has been presidenting?
The voters will too. And they will feel lied to. They have been.

—A.B. Stoddard

I expect Biden to come out apologizing for his poor debate performance. Probably will claim he screwed it up and made some mistakes. The problem is that he didn't really make mistakes at the debate. He didn't come across as poorly prepared to me. He came across as forgetting what the point he had started to make 2 seconds ago was and being unable to finish his sentences or use his time. He can't fix that and get better. And even if he could, it wouldn't matter because there is no way Trump will debate him again and even give him the chance to look better.

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I love the idea that not only must Democrats move on from Biden, they must also move on from Harris. The end result of this infighting is going to be not having a nominee at all or having multiple. People are stupid, panicky beings. 

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Nah just takes some massive balls to shift from Biden at this point and Democrats have no balls. The damage has been done.

I would love to be wrong! Just been talking to randoms and everyone is worried Biden is losing it mentally.

Posted
7 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I love the idea that not only must Democrats move on from Biden, they must also move on from Harris. The end result of this infighting is going to be not having a nominee at all or having multiple. People are stupid, panicky beings. 

And the media will run with this new narrative if Kamala is the candidate because Democrats must be perfect and Republicans can be massive pieces of shit. As much as the right loves to complain about media bias, it sure as shit seems like Biden's age is a much greater threat to America than Project 2025 and Trump laying out in great detail what he plans to allow to happen in his next term. 

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5 minutes ago, mdmost said:

And the media will run with this new narrative if Kamala is the candidate because Democrats must be perfect and Republicans can be massive pieces of shit. As much as the right loves to complain about media bias, it sure as shit seems like Biden's age is a much greater threat to America than Project 2025 and Trump laying out in great detail what he plans to allow to happen in his next term. 

The media has spent years telling us they are not tipping the scales towards the Democratic Party while dropping rocks onto the scale to give the GOP favorable coverage, ignore their policy positions and statements and refuse to fact check/push back in live interviews 

If Trump came out on live TV and said he will immediately jail every reporter and personality from CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WAPO, I bet they wouldn’t cover it. NYT would have an op-ed from Murdoch about how Trump’s stance against left-wing media is the most presidential thing he’s ever said 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Biden will most likely stay in the race, lose in the fall and people on the left will scream at the swing voters OMG how could you vote for an incompetent criminal?! And many voters will say well my other option was a man that should be playing bingo at a retirement facility I'm sorry.

Imagine being so stupid that you take this position.

Wellllll it was an old man or Dipshit Hitler who is 100% going to ruin the country. I had to go with Hitler 

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We're all on the same page here---Biden, Harris, or Dennis Castro...anything to keep Trump outta the White House. 

But have a modicum of self-reflection.  2015, many of you said, "Trump is running on a platform to exploit that much of America hated the notion we had a 2-term black President and drives out new voters.  2016, many of you said, "Trump is running on a platform that much of America hated the notion that a woman might very well be the next President to drive out new voters for himself."  Many of you said something to that effect.  

No matter who you run, you're not bringing out any new voters of significant import.  All you can is keep them from coming out in even greater numbers.  They, and you, claim to turn out more numbers out of disdain for a person of color and/or a female.  Registration to vote in most swing states is over in 90 days.  For the most pivotal election in U.S. history since the Civil War.  Yeah, this is time to make cool t-shirts.  

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4 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Imagine being so stupid that you take this position.

Wellllll it was an old man or Dipshit Hitler who is 100% going to ruin the country. I had to go with Hitler 

Especially when the most prominent replacement is VP and will take over anyway if the old man kicks the bucket during his second term. This whole discussion is insane.

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Just now, 'stache said:

Especially when the most prominent replacement is VP and will take over anyway if the old man kicks the bucket during his second term. This whole discussion is insane.

This. So they’re okay with her being #2 and taking over if Biden dies, but if he bows out of the race, it must be someone else besides her. 

If Biden wins and dies and resigns next year, they’ll be calling for their preferred candidate to be named VP so that Harris has to resign as POTUS 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

This. So they’re okay with her being #2 and taking over if Biden dies, but if he bows out of the race, it must be someone else besides her. 

If Biden wins and dies and resigns next year, they’ll be calling for their preferred candidate to be named VP so that Harris has to resign as POTUS 

They are telling you they are, in fact, not okay with her taking over if Biden dies.

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your VP nom is usually just to shore up voters where the President is weakest or in most need and to compliment so as to de-risk as much as possible, instead of picking someone who would actually be the 2nd best President (or even a good President, potentially).

This is a black swan type event where we actually needed both, but you still run with Kamala 10/10 times in 2020. Everyone can say they saw this coming with the age, but I think few truly felt it would come home to roost like it did on Thursday of the debate. We are still in somewhat of a shock to what we saw 8 days ago.

 

 

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Just now, Loch Ness Monster said:

The average American is pretty dumb including myself. Biden lost a lot of votes in the last month. We'll see

Just don't yell at the swing voters in a few months.

If swing voters prefer fascism, fuck them, they're responsible, period.

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4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If swing voters prefer fascism, fuck them, they're responsible, period.


Biden has had horrible polling related to his age and competence the last 2 years. And then 8 days ago he came on stage and confirmed he was too old and incompetent. We can yell into the void or else run a candidate that can make a coherent point about what a piece of shit Trump is. 

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