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4 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Bro the #merica crowd is very Republican

Not in any of those sports. A wide variety of color palettes and spandex wearing.

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This democratic group bough a lot of air time to put out a commercial on MSNBC so Joe could see it. I don’t fucking understand what’s going on. I thought I was watching an SNL bit and it’s a real commercial. Airing mostly in DE and DC to tell Joe to pass the torch. This has to be the simulation and somehow with the Microsoft glitch this is what happened? I don’t have any more words. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/19/us/biden-election-news#a-group-urging-biden-to-end-his-candidacy-is-targeting-ads-on-morning-joe
 

I really thought it was fake until they played it on CNN. What the fuck??????

 

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The [Dem candidate's name here] campaign should buy whole ad blocks and simply run 2-3 minutes of Trump's greatest rambling hits.

That, plus ads highlighting 5-7 of Project 2025's most unpopular planks will give [Dem candidate's name here] a several point boost. And don't be afraid to just say what P2025 is really getting at: ending Social Security, ending Medicare, ENDING public education, criminalizing birth control and IVF, state overlordship of every womb, and ethnic cleansing. Take the fucking gloves off.

I've become disinterested in the Biden will he/won't he melodrama. This election has to be a referrendum on Trump and quelling fascism. Make it about that, and we could put South Austin's mom in the WH. Tie every downballot Pub to Trump in the process, and maybe the Dems with stones can fix the damn system.

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1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Re: youth vote.  They actually did come out in 2020. Likely the difference maker. 

Black voters.

Black women in particular.

Native Americans in AZ.

 

They all saved our ass in 2020.  After fucking them over for centuries, America owes its ass to them.  Will they make the effort to save us again?  Why should they, we obviously don't deserve their help.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Black voters.

Black women in particular.

Native Americans in AZ.

 

They all saved our ass in 2020.  After fucking them over for centuries, America owes its ass to them.  Will they make the effort to save us again?  Why should they, we obviously don't deserve their help.

Self defense 

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13 minutes ago, softlynow said:

Tie every downballot Pub to Trump in the process, and maybe the Dems with stones can fix the damn system.

By all accounts, the issues are mostly at the top of the ticket.  In the polling, Senate Dems and the generic ballot are very favorable for Dems.  I've said before - either Senate Dems will drag Biden across in WI, MI, AZ, PA as Dem-friendly voters come home by November or his issues will torpedo them. 

But I am still very skeptical that the most polarized electorate in American history is going to split their tickets for Senate/House Dems and Trump. 

The occasional state might (like Susan Collins in 2020), but expecting every swing state to do the same? Nah. 

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Damn, AOC’s video from this morning is very sobering. She confirms the legal challenges in swing states if Biden withdraws. She highlighted that the coup group of Democrats are not united with a plan. She’s basically saying it will be a clusterfuck if he withdraws. 

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9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Self defense 

Meh.  They've been buttfucked by this country, systematically and continuously, for centuries.  They know the drill, they can weather it.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Meh.  They've been buttfucked by this country, systematically and continuously, for centuries.  They know the drill, they can weather it.

One could credibly argue that an agreement by various groups to defend against an assault on each other's basic civil rights is what holds the Democratic Party together.

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6 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Damn, AOC’s video from this morning is very sobering. She confirms the legal challenges in swing states if Biden withdraws. She highlighted that the coup group of Democrats are not united with a plan. She’s basically saying it will be a clusterfuck if he withdraws. 

Re: legal issues. Is it bc of getting the correct name on the ballot? Of the nominee? Bc of when the ballots go out? Is that what she is saying? 

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17 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Black voters.

Black women in particular.

Native Americans in AZ.

 

They all saved our ass in 2020.  After fucking them over for centuries, America owes its ass to them.  Will they make the effort to save us again?  Why should they, we obviously don't deserve their help.


R’s have to have a plan to take away Native American voting rights ?

no polling stations on fed property ?

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12 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Re: legal issues. Is it bc of getting the correct name on the ballot? Of the nominee? Bc of when the ballots go out? Is that what she is saying? 

There's also a deadline in each state for the parties to submit their formal nominees. Ohio was trying to keep Biden off their ballot because the DNC is happening after their date for submitting the names. They could use the same logic in several states to try to prevent Harris or whoever from even appearing on the ballot, which would hurt their chances in those states, and swing the popular vote to Trump. 

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Could the Democrats have mismanaged the Trump era any worse?  I mean, they will never have a more easily beatable schmuck to run against. They could have gone hard AF and done so much more but they decided to run/crown Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden twice.  The missed opportunity against this clown movement of racist imbeciles is incomprehensible. Sad!
 

/Doomer post

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1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:


Joe Biden staying in the race and believing he’s the only person that can beat Trump is Trumpian in and of itself and confirmation that MAGA is correct that he has mental decline to not understand his limitations and how seriously flawed he is as a candidate.

What a weird pretzel we’ve got ourselves into.

Not really, anyone who can win a presidential election has more ego and confidence than any of us plebs could ever comprehend. That’s not MAGA that’s inherent in the common personality traits of all presidents. 

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3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

 

the Biden flaw is that he can't easily speak on his platform to protect women's rights and other issues that matter to many. I believe his surrogates can do so but people tune in to hear the candidate not their cabinet officials or senators. 

I think this is a flaw that isn’t talked about enough.

One thing that is always present in politics is that character, story, and brand have to be right for the time and place. 
When Joe was elected, Roe was still law. He was in a sense, the foil / rational version of old white guy. That worked when the world was in tumult.

Now we have a court stripping away long held standards and rights. We have women losing their freedoms by the day and dying bc of it.

The opposition is calling for the fundamental restructuring of our democratic system with judges that will rubber stamp it.

Corruption has been codified.

This is not his moment anymore. He’s done his patriotic duty by beating trump during Covid. Pass the torch man. Understand that while you got America off the mat, you’re not going to be able to beat Trump 2.0.


I feel as if we’re seeing something of shitty reverse melding of Rocky, Rocky II, Ricky 3, and Rocky 5….where Rocky (an already retired boxer a la Rocky 5) beat Apollo in their first match and then Apollo is trained by Clubber Lang to improve his fight style and fight Rocky in a rematch (a la Rocky 2) in which Rocky is dealing with brain injuries (Rocky 5).

I think this is why we’re in an AI LLM simulation hellscape. Everything that is new is just a garbled retelling of past events. It feels familiar and new… actually the term should be ‘knew’ both new and old all at once…..a sort of dream like quality due to our brains inability to completely decode the information it’s being fed.

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

What’s your solution? That they didn’t run Warren?

It’s not so much the person as it is the posturing.  The democrats have basically played defense for the last 12 years and talked themselves out of doing anything remotely bold or ambitious because it might upset the people who were never going to support them anyway.  And almost anyone other than Biden would have been better in 2020 if it could have avoided this mess we find ourselves in today. 

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10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Could the Democrats have mismanaged the Trump era any worse?  I mean, they will never have a more easily beatable schmuck to run against. They could have gone hard AF and done so much more but they decided to run/crown Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden twice.  The missed opportunity against this clown movement of racist imbeciles is incomprehensible. Sad!
 

/Doomer post

They couldn’t have. And media legitimizing Trump with feigned attempts at impartiality hasn’t helped at all either. 

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s not so much the person as it is the posturing.  The democrats have basically played defense for the last 12 years and talked themselves out of doing anything remotely bold or ambitious because it might upset the people who were never going to support them anyway.  And almost anyone other than Biden would have been better in 2020 if it could have avoided this mess we find ourselves in today. 

As much as I wish the Dems had been able to push a progressive agenda these past few years, I think that was likely not realistic. The Republicans poached a large chunk of the Dems’ former working class base. That was made possible by the Dems’ rightward shift in the 80s and 90s, which made them weaker in labor issues and thus more susceptible to being painted as the party of liberal, immoral, irreligious elites. 

Like it or not, a significant slice of the Dem base at this point is former center-right Republicans who can’t tolerate the know-nothing populism of the modern GOP.  I was just talking about the RNC with someone who fits that description today. Good luck selling those voters on progressive issues like student loan forgiveness, universal health care, higher capital gains taxes, or universal basic income. 

Labor was the wind in the sails of progressive reform. We lost them by catering to Reaganist globalism and letting the GOP play to their worst social issue instincts. 

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1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

As much as I wish the Dems had been able to push a progressive agenda these past few years, I think that was likely not realistic. The Republicans poached a large chunk of the Dems’ former working class base. That was made possible by the Dems’ rightward shift in the 80s and 90s, which made them weaker in labor issues and thus more susceptible to being painted as the party of liberal, immoral, irreligious elites. 

Like it or not, a significant slice of the Dem base at this point is former center-right Republicans who can’t tolerate the know-nothing populism of the modern GOP.  I was just talking about the RNC with someone who fits that description today. Good luck selling those voters on progressive issues like student loan forgiveness, universal health care, higher capital gains taxes, or universal basic income. 

Labor was the wind in the sails of progressive reform. We lost them by catering to Reaganist globalism and letting the GOP play to their worst social issue instincts. 

This is a superb comment.

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3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s not so much the person as it is the posturing.  The democrats have basically played defense for the last 12 years and talked themselves out of doing anything remotely bold or ambitious because it might upset the people who were never going to support them anyway.  And almost anyone other than Biden would have been better in 2020 if it could have avoided this mess we find ourselves in today. 

The ACA was a real thing.

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I interrupt this programing to bring you more doom and gloom in the form of the latest polling.  

On the left is the day before the assassination attempt, and on the right is today.  Looks like a lot of it is movement from Kennedy to Trump.

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Arizona:

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Georgia:

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Michigan:

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Nevada:

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North Carolina:

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Pennsylvania:

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A lot of people in this country are gonna get fucked because a stubborn old man has refused to do the right thing... and the clock is ticking.  Every minute he stays in the race is a minute lost in trying to make up lost ground.

 

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4 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

A lot of people in this country are gonna get fucked because a stubborn old man has refused to do the right thing... and the clock is ticking.  Every minute he stays in the race is a minute lost in trying to make up lost ground.

All candidates get a post-convention "bounce." At this point, it is difficult to separate that fact from the continued questioning of Biden's capacity to carry on and the assassination attempt. Don't get me wrong, though. It doesn't look good right now, but a one-point shift in the polls after those three items isn't going to freak me the fuck out (yet).

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Just now, bolverk said:

All candidates get a post-convention "bounce." At this point, it is difficult to separate that fact from the continued questioning of Biden's capacity to carry on and the assassination attempt. Don't get me wrong, though. It doesn't look good right now, but a one-point shift in the polls after those three items isn't going to freak me the fuck out (yet).

Good point.

My fear is that I think we've all long suspected that Kennedy voters are likely right leaning independents or former Republicans looking for a reason not to vote for Trump, but so far, the Democrats haven't given them one.

I think there's still time, but the clock is ticking.

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3 minutes ago, bolverk said:

All candidates get a post-convention "bounce." At this point, it is difficult to separate that fact from the continued questioning of Biden's capacity to carry on and the assassination attempt. Don't get me wrong, though. It doesn't look good right now, but a one-point shift in the polls after those three items isn't going to freak me the fuck out (yet).

No but the legal tactics will, should, and do. 

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Just now, DixonHur said:

Good point.

My fear is that I think we've all long suspected that Kennedy voters are likely right leaning independents or former Republicans looking for a reason not to vote for Trump, but so far, the Democrats haven't given them one.

I think there's still time, but the clock is ticking.

And if Trump's team's data is telling them the same, Kennedy is going to drop out and endorse Donald. 100%

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

And if Trump's team's data is telling them the same, Kennedy is going to drop out and endorse Donald. 100%

Wouldn’t shock me at all if it’s a ploy to get paid or get a prominent appointment. 

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Just now, aggie08 said:

And if Trump's team's data is telling them the same, Kennedy is going to drop out and endorse Donald. 100%

Well, Trump's big money donors have also been donating to Kennedy, so I think that's been the game plan all along.

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Here’s what I like. Dotard stands up on stage and says that he will pardon the 1/6 “hostages”. The crowd erupts in applause. Then at the RNC some sycophant says “Trump stands with the police, not with the rioters” (huge applause).

So, just trained monkeys, who will applaud whatever they hear.

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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Here’s what I like. Dotard stands up on stage and says that he will pardon the 1/6 “hostages”. The crowd erupts in applause. Then at the RNC some sycophant says “Trump stands with the police, not with the rioters” (huge applause).

So, just trained monkeys, who will applaud whatever they hear.

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15 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

My fear is that I think we've all long suspected that Kennedy voters are likely right leaning independents or former Republicans

Suspected?  It's the same "libertarian" core group that just doesn't want to be labeled as Republicans.  They are one and the same.  All modern "libertarians" are.

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32 minutes ago, troph said:

This is a suburb comment.

True.  But suburbs are where elections are won and lost.  City are for the most part all D and we all know what’s up with the country folk.  And no, I don’t have any solutions.  Just know that Joe ain’t that dude…

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Suspected?  It's the same "libertarian" core group that just doesn't want to be labeled as Republicans.  They are one and the same.  All modern "libertarians" are.

So, yeah, Kennedy still polling at >8% scares the shit out of me. Obviously, he won't get that much in November, even if he doesn't drop out, but how many of those come home to daddy Trump after rebelling for a few months?

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Shit, that's pretty much the election right there. How many "libertarians" and independents stick to their guns and vote independent (or at least don't vote for Trump) vs. how many "undecideds" that are pissed that the old fart is the best choice still find the motivation to make it to the polls.

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2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Shit, that's pretty much the election right there. How many "libertarians" and independents stick to their guns and vote independent (or at least don't vote for Trump) vs. how many "undecideds" that are pissed that the old fart is the best choice find the motivation to make it to the polls.

You can already feel the shift.  People are actually admitting they’re voting for Trump.  Before many of those were too embarrassed.  Surprised there’s not more panic as we sit around and wait for Joe to come to his senses.  

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8 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

You can already feel the shift.  People are actually admitting they’re voting for Trump.  Before many of those were too embarrassed.  Surprised there’s not more panic as we sit around and wait for Joe to come to his senses.  

It’s the same fucking loud minority being as loud as ever. They were loud as fuck in 2020 too

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17 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

True.  But suburbs are where elections are won and lost.  City are for the most part all D and we all know what’s up with the country folk.  And no, I don’t have any solutions.  Just know that Joe ain’t that dude…

Shit. Superb sorry. Reasons don’t want to discuss. 

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15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Suspected?  It's the same "libertarian" core group that just doesn't want to be labeled as Republicans.  They are one and the same.  All modern "libertarians" are.

I agree in principle, but I think there are 3 buckets of modern "libertarians".

  1. Erstwhile Republicans who don't like Trump
  2. Religious zealots who have officially moved to team Trump, but don't consider themselves Republicans
  3. and Anarchists

I think the Democrats still have a shot at bucket #1, but who the fuck knows anymore.

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