Jay Hartzell is not out standard

[BrickHorn 18134]

19 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I understand what you're saying but to me this is what actual small government conservatism should be completely against. 

That may be how small-government conservatives spin it. But what that movement has always truly been against is fair taxation, sensible regulation, and an equitable society. 

[BrickHorn 18134]

12 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'd be curious to see when people think conservatism veered away from small government, state's rights, individual freedoms, etc.

This was a joke, right? 

[Captainant 27250]

Dude you have such a weird tendency of cognitive dissonance 

37 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Not excusing or endorsing anybody on the faculty here, but a major rationale for no confidence/confidence on the part of Hartzell from McCombs faculty isn't just political.

You first claim that the McCombs people aren't being political

37 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

It's that he raised so much money for them as their REFIC head, then Dean, and now President.  New facilities, dozens of endowed chairs, and hundreds of scholarships.  Not saying that's good, bad, or indifferent.  It's just their financial reality

And then say that they wouldn't want to stand to their principles because of all the nice stuff they got and might be scared to lose. 

 

That's fuckin politics, dude. The laundering of it through """it's just financial reality""" is how you end up justifying every horrible social enshittification policy like destroying public schools and crumbling infrastructure. 

Edited April 29 by Captainant

[jimmyjazz 45428]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

This was a joke, right? 

Who, me?

[YGIFS 19447]

28 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Dude you have such a weird tendency of cognitive dissonance 

You first claim that the McCombs people aren't being political

And then say that they wouldn't want to stand to their principles because of all the nice stuff they got and might be scared to lose. 

 

That's fuckin politics, dude. The laundering of it through """it's just financial reality""" is how you end up justifying every horrible social enshittification policy like destroying public schools and crumbling infrastructure. 

Wasn't justifying it dude.  Just explaining the reality of why so many aren't joining in.  Obviously many aren't signing on because of their politics.  But a lot of others are concerned with where their bread is buttered.  That's human nature and ain't just confined to UT-Austin.  I know you know that but I think many people are just assuming this is a binary issue.  Academia should be anything but.  But here we are...

[pyrohornIII 4783]

On 4/27/2024 at 12:05 AM, DixonHur said:

Point taken, but balance is key.  Stay vigilant, but don't raise everything to Defcon 5.

And do something about it, other than protesting.  That's my biggest problem.  If you see a problem take active, measured steps to try to change it.  Raise your hand if you think UT is going to divest of weapons manufacturers because some students held up signs and chanted slogans?  

Wanna make a difference?  Go to school somewhere else.  I don't mean that in the sense of giving up, but rather speak with your dollars.  spend your tuition money at a school that aligns with your beliefs if you need to.  I have no issue with that.  But protesting...lame.

Bottom line, if you what change you need to change the bottom line.  

What other institute of higher learning is there in the state of Texas that is perceived as a hub of a critical and oft liberal thinking?   There is no other, and for decades students and faculty coming to UT Austin has meant for them a place to imagine and push for a better world, generally for all, not just the uber rich.  It has been the history of UT students and academia to speak up when they disagreed with something.  And the bigger the injustice the stronger the response.  

I do not agree with your recommendation that people simply move on.  UT has always fought for the right to change the world.   This is just another example of that, and I see no problem at all with some peaceful protestation remind UT admin what the University means to so many.  

[Captainant 27250]

Hartzell continues to invite fascism onto campus to quash free speech

 

There's a circle of people standing on the south mall that are about to get arrested for having the wrong opinion 

[Satchel 6908]

What’s happening on campus is reflective of a growing sentiment among Texans who are tired of feeling like we live in an apartheid state. The right wingers have gotten so aggressive in their quest to make us 1950s Texas, that people are finally beginning to pay attention.

[Captainant 27250]

Hey @YGIFS go tell your buddies to stop letting fascists come stomp on peaceful free speech

 

 

[SydneyCarton 47809]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'd be curious to see when people think conservatism veered away from small government, state's rights, individual freedoms, etc.

If you ask all the big government, authoritarian loving republicans who want to legilslate a woman's body, they'd tell you that conervatism is still all about those. 

So I will assume you meant "curious what the people on this forum think." AKA voting democrats. 

In action I think the actual veer happened in 2021...right around inaugeration day. 

[SydneyCarton 47809]

16 minutes ago, Satchel said:

What’s happening on campus is reflective of a growing sentiment among Texans who are tired of feeling like we live in an apartheid state. The right wingers have gotten so aggressive in their quest to make us 1950s Texas, that people are finally beginning to pay attention.

And the young people still won't vote. 

[Zepol87 9154]

10 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Hey @YGIFS go tell your buddies to stop letting fascists come stomp on peaceful free speech

 

 

Toe the company line 

[BrickHorn 18134]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

And the young people still won't vote. 

You’d better believe the young people protesting on campus will vote. 

[Js1 84994]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

And the young people still won't vote. 

Taking away their right to protest is a good way. 

[BrickHorn 18134]

FUCK HARTZELL

[Satchel 6908]

13 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

And the young people still won't vote. 

You’re right. That’s the saddest part. 

[SydneyCarton 47809]

11 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

You’d better believe the young people protesting on campus will vote. 

Some of them will probably vote against Biden, becuase Palestine. 

[bluto 4861]

Pepper spray and flash bangs have entered the chat

[immamac 42388]

3 minutes ago, bluto said:

Pepper spray and flash bangs have entered the chat

No fucking way they are doing that. If they did this is beyond fucked. I’ll go protest if that shit happened but not with the Gaza peeps. 

[Captainant 27250]

16 minutes ago, immamac said:

No fucking way they are doing that. If they did this is beyond fucked. I’ll go protest if that shit happened but not with the Gaza peeps. 

 

 

 

Edited April 29 by Captainant

[Chuckie Finster 22571]

So obviously pepper spray, etc. is horrendous, but uh, 100% of administrators in the country would do anything in their power to prevent the most iconic spot on campus from looking like this.

[immamac 42388]

I mean it looks like they kicked over trash cans that had all that in it. 

[hornmpa96 2597]

Still looks better than the statute of Jefferson Davis.

[freyguy 4243]

SMFH...assholes left and right....

[Captainant 27250]

36 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

So obviously pepper spray, etc. is horrendous, but uh, 100% of administrators in the country would do anything in their power to prevent the most iconic spot on campus from looking like this.

I hear you, but that's maybe half an hour of effort to clean up for a handful of people. Hell the cops could have picked it up if they cared about anything else aside from being abbott's enforcers. It's not like it's some earth shattering blow to the university for chrissakes. 

IMO bowing down to fascism to stifle peaceful speech is far more embarrassing than some knocked over trash cans and a pile of garbage on the south mall. 

[Thermos H. Christ 478]

41 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

So obviously pepper spray, etc. is horrendous, but uh, 100% of administrators in the country would do anything in their power to prevent the most iconic spot on campus from looking like this.

 

['stache 21729]

Kinda hard to clean up after yourselves when you’re run off with pepper spray. How about sending in a couple of bike cops to say “hey guys just here to make sure things don’t get out of hand, and please clean up after yourselves when you take off.” But that’s not what this is about of course, hence Hotwheels’ Gestapo.

Edited April 29 by 'stache

[Brisketexan 104226]

7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Kinda hard to clean up after yourselves when you’re run off with pepper spray. How about sending in a couple of bike cops to say “hey guys just here to make sure things don’t get out of hand, and please clean up after yourselves when you take off.” But that’s not what this is about of course, hence Hotwheels’ Gestapo.

Correct.

That's because this show had ZERO to do with "keeping the campus and students safe," or "keeping campus clean and orderly."  Zero.  Actually, a negative number, because the cops WANTED it to look chaotic and messy - it serves their purpose.  There were 1,000 different permutations of this that would have better accomplished those goals, but none of those permutations have the cops dressing and acting like Stormtroopers, so those options were right out.

This was a performative display of fascism, nothing more.

[Thermos H. Christ 478]

Nothing avoids disruptions to campus life better than dressing up like a army man and throwing flashbangs at unarmed teens for having forbidden opinions about a foreign country

[BevoAbyss 2046]

What’s happening on UT campus is exactly what fascism looks like and does. And I guarantee, not a single newspaper or media outlet in Texas will call it what it is: fucking fascism. 

Edited April 30 by BevoAbyss

[tx 3 putt 75959]

 

[Longhorn Fever 267]

On 4/27/2024 at 7:48 AM, Sawbonz said:

There’s no way Trump would pick one for a rolling mate

FIFY

[6th Street 6329]

Stopping in to say f this guy 

[jimmyjazz 45428]

18 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

Your avatar does remind me of the Alfred Neumann and the "Who, me" is very "What, me worry?"

I assume you know it's Beaver Cleaver?

[atomheartbevo 89304]

https://www.kxan.com/news/over-600-ut-austin-faculty-sign-letter-of-no-confidence-in-president-hartzell/

Quote

Hundreds of University of Texas at Austin faculty signed a letter saying they “no longer have confidence in President Jay Hartzell,” following a series of pro-Palestinian protests on campus over the last week. The UT Austin chapter of the American Association of University Professors was behind the letter, which was signed by more than 620 UT faculty members. 

The letter states, “President [Hartzell] has shown himself to be unresponsive to urgent faculty, staff, and student concerns. He has violated our trust.” The letter said Hartzell put people in danger by bringing state troopers to “forcibly disperse students gathering for a peaceful teach-in.” The AAUP said it sent the letter to both Hartzell and the UT Faculty Council on Monday.

Their demands:

• Criminal charges be dropped against students and others
• Students not face disciplinary action at UT for the protest
• The university respects the First Amendment free speech rights of students and faculty

[tx 3 putt 75959]

UT faculty playing right into abbott’s script  

[atomheartbevo 89304]

Just now, tx 3 putt said:

UT faculty playing right into abbott’s script  

Yep, this all feels like Abbott is doing everything possible to fuck up UT and bring in the Charlie Kirks and Ben Shapiros and Jordan Petersons.

[tx 3 putt 75959]

19 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yep, this all feels like Abbott is doing everything possible to fuck up UT and bring in the Charlie Kirks and Ben Shapiros and Jordan Petersons.

liberty u or hillsdale college ultra Christian 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13388]

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

https://www.kxan.com/news/over-600-ut-austin-faculty-sign-letter-of-no-confidence-in-president-hartzell/

Their demands:

• Criminal charges be dropped against students and others
• Students not face disciplinary action at UT for the protest
• The university respects the First Amendment free speech rights of students and faculty

 

ridiculous giving blanket immunity for anyone protesting. It should be a case by case basis. Even if you’re free to do something, like protest, it doesn’t mean that you’re free of consequences. And if the protestors are not willing to face and accept disciplinary actions, I question their conviction on this issue anyway.

[bolverk 29261]

I just learned of yet another attack on a Muslim UT student that happened last month, in addition to the stabbing that happened in February. Of course, there was also the incident of people not affiliated with UT going onto campus and disrupting/harassing students at a pro-Palestine meeting last fall.

Where's the outcry from Hartzell on protecting those students?

  

CAIR-Austin calls for APD to investigate alleged attack of Muslim UT student as hate crime

The Council on American-Islamic Relations is calling on the Austin Police Department to investigate an alleged attack against a Muslim University of Texas student as a hate crime.

Austin police confirmed to the American-Statesman on Tuesday that it became aware of a bias-motivated incident near UT's campus through its online reporting system, and the Police Department said officers are investigating the reported incident and will forward any relevant information to the department's Hate Crime Committee.

"If a crime has been committed and the Hate Crime Committee determined that they believe the crime was committed due to bias or prejudice, then they will inform the FBI of the incident," the department said. "If charges are pressed or an arrest is made, the Hate Crime Committee also informs the prosecutor’s office."
The alleged attack happened Friday night when a student dressed in a kurta shalwar — traditional attire associated with the South Asian Muslim community — was approached by three men as the student walked back to campus from a local mosque, according to CAIR-Austin, the local branch of the largest national Muslim rights and advocacy organization.

CAIR-Austin in a news conference Tuesday said the men began yelling in mock Arabic and blocked the student and his friend's path. The aggression then escalated to violence, when the men allegedly punched the student, and one assailant told them he had a weapon.

"No human being should feel unsafe wearing their traditional clothes in public," said Shaimaa Zayan, the operations manager of CAIR-Austin. "And when this happens in Austin, a city that cherishes cultural diversity, it's even more traumatizing."

Zayan said the student suffered a busted lip and cuts on his jaw, but the emotional wounds to the student and the Muslim community are much deeper.

"The mental hurts will be bigger and longer term than the physical hurt of this incident," Zayan said. "Not only on the student, the victim student, but also for all the Muslims and Arabs and all the diverse students who go to Austin. It just creates an unsafe environment for everyone."

A spokesperson for Mayor Kirk Watson's office told the Statesman that the case will be discussed at the Hate Crimes Task Force's monthly meeting Thursday and potentially at its next one, too, as officials investigate the incident. The Police Department did not provide the police report to the Statesman by Tuesday afternoon.

CAIR-Austin representatives at the news conference said the Friday attack brought up memories of the February stabbing of Zacharia Doar, a 23-year-old Palestinian American coming back from a Sunday protest and evening prayer, which the Austin police Hate Crime Review Committee determined was a hate crime. The case is currently awaiting trial.

At UT, students were also harassed at a Palestine Solidarity Committee hearing in October by men claiming to be Israeli Defense Forces soldiers. Both Jewish and Muslim students have said they've felt unsafe showing their identity on campus because of tensions related to the Israel-Hamas war.

According to its 2024 civil rights report released April 2, CAIR in 2023 recorded the highest number of anti-Muslim complaints in its 30-year history. In 2023, the organization received more than 8,000 complaints, nearly half of which were reported in the last three months of the year.

The Austin for Palestine Coalition emailed city and university officials, including both Watson and UT President Jay Hartzell, on Monday demanding that they attend its news conference Tuesday to publicly condemn the violence against Muslim Americans.

Neither attended, but in a statement to the Statesman on Tuesday morning, UT said it is aware of the allegations and has contacted Muslim organizations and community members as well as the individuals involved to "offer support and any necessary services."

"We are aware from outside sources of an allegation of a hate-filled verbal conflict escalating to physical contact with two of our students. Austin Police Department is investigating whether a crime occurred," the university said in its statement. "UT remains committed to the safety and well-being of every member of our University community and has no tolerance for violence or other hateful actions against any of our community members, including those in our Muslim, Palestinian, and Arab communities."

Austin city spokesperson Alicia Dean said in an emailed statement Tuesday that the city has no tolerance for hate, and she pointed to an initiative the city launched in July called "We All Belong," a resource hub where people can find support and file nonemergency incident and police reports.

"Acts of hate are unacceptable in our City," Dean said. "We started the Citywide We All Belong anti-hate initiative as part of our commitment to keep Austin a safe and welcoming place."

Hanna Barakat, a speaker from the Austin for Palestine Coalition, said Senate Bill 17, a state law banning diversity, equity and inclusion offices at public universities and colleges, and Gov. Greg Abbott's executive order calling for colleges to fight antisemitism by revising free speech policies and enforcing them against pro-Palestinian groups and students, "fuel anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia putting these populations at risk while openly favoring other groups."

"Every student and every person in Texas deserves equal protection and safety, and it is the duty of local and state government to ensure it," Barakat said.

Abbott's office did not respond to a Statesman request for comment Tuesday.

Barakat said the alleged attack was particularly scary because it was during Ramadan, a holy month celebrated this year from March 10 to sundown Tuesday night. She added that she feels her "community's voice is ignored."

"I identify because I'm Lebanese American, and I'm proud of that. But it also puts me as a target, and I fear that position," she said.

"I'm angered that we are responding to yet another incident of violence and discrimination toward a member of the AAPI community," said Akeela Kongdara, a UT alum and the youth engagement and volunteer senior associate for Asian Texans for Justice, at the news conference, referring to the Asian American and Pacific islander community. "It is more evident than ever that our city and leaders are failing to ensure the safety of all individuals and are failing on their commitment to keep our students safe."

Jake Holtzman, founder of Austin's chapter of the Students for a Democratic Society and a 2023 UT alumnus, said he hopes the university engages with student leaders in discussion about steps UT can take to better ensure Muslim students' safety.

"The mental health toll is huge on all of these students, because the reality is that there are many students who maybe would have come out to this today, but they didn't feel safe doing so," Holtzman said. "People should have every right to walk around campus wearing what they would like to wear, saying what they truly want to say and not feel at risk of being harmed or attacked."

[bolverk 29261]

Here's the previous incident with the folks who disrupted that meeting with one saying he's going back to Israel soon to kill Arabs. Keep scrolling to the final frame for the video.

 

[BurntOrange&White 39268]

It's hilarious young American women are standing for Palestine when they would be nothing but a piece of property with no rights over there. It's quite comical.

[wildcat09 29146]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It's hilarious young American women are standing for Palestine when they would be nothing but a piece of property with no rights over there. It's quite comical.

I love how conservative men who want to ban the pill and lock up women who get abortions say shit like this.

[BurntOrange&White 39268]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

I love how conservative men who want to ban the pill and lock up women who get abortions say shit like this.

Except I'm not conservative....I in fact support abortion, the pill, and other contraceptives. That doesn't change the fact about what I wrote because that is the truth.

[wildcat09 29146]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Except I'm not conservative....I in fact support abortion, the pill, and other contraceptives. That doesn't change the fact about what I wrote because that is the truth.

Hamas got a much smaller percentage of the vote in the last election held in Gaza, which was nearly 18 years ago, than Trump got in either of the last two elections and way way smaller than the Texas GOP gets every election. Using their views on and treatment of women as representative of how all Palestinians view and treat women makes much less sense than using the Texas GOP as representative of how all Americans view and treat women.

[Satchel 6908]

11 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It's hilarious young American women are standing for Palestine when they would be nothing but a piece of property with no rights over there. It's quite comical.

Kinda sounds like Texas to me.

[BrickHorn 18134]

30 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It's hilarious young American women are standing for Palestine when they would be nothing but a piece of property with no rights over there. It's quite comical.

#1 - Where are you getting this understanding of women’s rights in Palestine? Are you assuming it’s the same situation there as in Saudi Arabia or Iran? Because although I’m hardly an expert, from what I can surmise based on some initial research, Palestine has been steadily progressing on women’s rights over the past few decades, enacting more liberal labor laws, harsher laws against rape, and allowing for abortions in certain circumstances

#2 - Even if women were as oppressed in Palestine as you seem to assume, why should this give American women pause about protesting an invasion that is literally killing Palestinian women by the thousands? Do the oppressed not deserve life? Do the oppressors necessarily deserve death? (Be especially careful answering that last question.)

Edited May 3 by BrickHorn

[Welshy 907]

8 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

#1 - Where are you getting this understanding of women’s rights in Palestine? Are you assuming it’s the same situation there as in Saudi Arabia or Iran? Because although I’m hardly an expert, from what I can surmise based on some initial research, Palestine has been steadily progressing on women’s rights over the past few decades, enacting more liberal labor laws, harsher laws against rape, and allowing for abortions in certain circumstances

#2 - Even if women were as oppressed in Palestine as you seem to assume, why should this give American women pause about protesting an invasion that is literally killing Palestinian women by the thousands? Do the oppressed not deserve life? Do the oppressors necessarily deserve death? (Be especially careful answering that last question.)

*Except Israeli women, right?

Your second point is the only one that matters, and it's spot on. 

[usmc0331horn 933]

Standing up against the destruction of a people is a just cause and is on the right side of history so I'm not sure why it's baffling that young women would be for that. 

[wildcat09 29146]

Just now, usmc0331horn said:

Standing up against the destruction of a people is a just cause and is on the right side of history so I'm not sure why it's baffling that young women would be for that. 

The thing is that certain people don't consider Palestinians to be people.