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No real interest in the Cowboys except I'm all for any team that lays body / kidney shots into Watson. And they did a good job today.

$46MM / year, an unbridled piece of shit deserves every shot he gets.

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28 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

He didn’t look good today. He made one good throw and overall had a meh game. He had a terrible 2nd half. We’ll never win anything with him at QB. 

Dak made several great throws today. The ball on the sideline that CD caught was literally perfection. The TD to Cooks. The deep middle ball that Turpin dropped.

 

he also had some awful throws.

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7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You could’ve made the throw to Cooks. That was great communication between Dak and Cooks knowing the corner route was going to be wide open. The throws to Lamb and Turpin were good. He had an average game and a pretty good first half. 

There were a couple others as well.

 

he was Meh in 2nd half, no doubt. 
 

his performance didn’t come within a light decade of his contract value.

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God Rex is getting as bad as future man. 
 

Dak had a great first half.  Meh 2nd half then the game was decided and they basically wanted to get out of there. 
 

the TD to Cooks is not a throw “that anyone makes”. He was shuffling backwards Throwing off his back foot with a feee blitzer in his face.  He had to put it to a spot not a lot of QBs would. 
 

but THAT wasn’t the impressive part. It was the presnap part.  Where he saw what was happening. Shifted protection knowing there woulD be one guy coming free and made sure cooks knew where to go. 
 

y’all get so caught up with “perfect throws” that you forget there’s much more to suing the position too. 
 

yall hating every single thing Dak does is just silly and frankly getting old. 

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45 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Relax, Drew. Take the W.

this.  we all know he can play pretty good over a 16/17 game regular season.  

Jerry just signed him forever so it doesn't matter anymore what anyone thinks now.  Jerry believes he can Trent Dilfer, Dak to a Superb Owl if he just gets a decent running game and a defense so "here we go!".

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if I missed the Micah talk pardon me, but is the idea now to just franchise him?  because I don’t think that guy plays a snap next year without a fat new deal.  so jerry is just gonna throw about 135 million/year on three players?

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3 hours ago, dcar00 said:

this.  we all know he can play pretty good over a 16/17 game regular season.  

Jerry just signed him forever so it doesn't matter anymore what anyone thinks now.  Jerry believes he can Trent Dilfer, Dak to a Superb Owl if he just gets a decent running game and a defense so "here we go!".

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18 hours ago, SameSame said:

How did we get through a full game where Dallas actually played well and nobody declared that we’re going to the Super Bowl. 
 

What is the world coming to?

Show me a loss! 

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3 hours ago, futureman said:

if I missed the Micah talk pardon me, but is the idea now to just franchise him?  because I don’t think that guy plays a snap next year without a fat new deal.  so jerry is just gonna throw about 135 million/year on three players?

Yes.  Of course he is.  He had Dak and Romo on cheap deals and totally blew it.  So here we are.  

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15 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

 

Always been the best part of this game..... Running plays down in pursuit, even back to Texas.  He played well yesterday, albeit vs a gross offense.

 

3 hours ago, dcar00 said:

this.  we all know he can play pretty good over a 16/17 game regular season.  

Jerry just signed him forever so it doesn't matter anymore what anyone thinks now.  Jerry believes he can Trent Dilfer, Dak to a Superb Owl if he just gets a decent running game and a defense so "here we go!".

Sort of.....  Dilfer is a homeless man's version of Dak and could only dream of being as good, but it's going to need to be a team effort.  The defense with Zimmer should take a step forward.  The running game?  Eh.  i don't think we have the talent in that room.

3 hours ago, futureman said:

if I missed the Micah talk pardon me, but is the idea now to just franchise him?  because I don’t think that guy plays a snap next year without a fat new deal.  so jerry is just gonna throw about 135 million/year on three players?

Cap doesn't really work this way (it's not evenly measured out cash outflows) but yes.... you have elite players, you generally pay them especially if they're young.  And Jerrah better not skimp on being proactive with good players like.... Aubrey.  Or Ferg, but there will be some folks who you probably would like to keep but they may get a big number somewhere else.

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6 hours ago, futureman said:

if I missed the Micah talk pardon me, but is the idea now to just franchise him?  because I don’t think that guy plays a snap next year without a fat new deal.  so jerry is just gonna throw about 135 million/year on three players?

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Truth. Many a pundit have pointed out that an inflated QB salary actually prohibits you from winning the SB. 
That's why you take advantage of QBs on their rookie deals and build around them. Dallas failed to do so. They had Dak and Zeke both on rookie deals. When Zeke was the best in the business. But their defense was grade A garbage. 2016 was the year to do it or at bare minimum, get there. But nope.

Check back later and Dak will be well down this list. That's how salaries work. I believe Dak was the highest paid when he first got his deal years ago and then slid down the list. Every year in every position, it's the highest contract ever!
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15 hours ago, markstanco said:

How much would it have saved if they did this last year?  Maybe 5 million? 

I don’t think Todd France would have negotiated a deal last year as he had his sights on a 5 year $300 million deal.  Jerry probably thinks he saved $60 mil.  Unfortunately Dak will only be 35 when this deal expires.  Dak is in his way to a new deal in 2028 of 4 years $400 mill.  His likely record in playoffs will be 3-8.

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17 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

Let's review the highest paid QB's. Nary a Super Bowl winner amongst them.

 

That’s proof of an insane market, the Super Bowl point doesn’t hit though. Here’s the last decade. Three generational talents (including Mahomes who was the highest paid at his last contract and will blow it up again if he doesn’t regress), a fluke who wasn’t even supposed to be a starter and wasn’t for much longer, and Stafford, who I think is the best comparison for Dak and the others on that list, showing that competent coaching is what matters most with really good qbs who aren’t quite generational. McVay and his staff that year could have won that Super Bowl with a bunch of those guys. And don’t @ me about Brady, nobody should be expected to take less than market rate just because he did and for reasons we already know. If you want to argue that these monster contracts should only be for the Brady’s and Mahomes’ of the world I won’t disagree but the market controls and that’s what drives these contracts.

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14 minutes ago, 'stache said:

That’s proof of an insane market, the Super Bowl point doesn’t hit though. Here’s the last decade. Three generational talents (including Mahomes who was the highest paid at his last contract and will blow it up again if he doesn’t regress), a fluke who wasn’t even supposed to be a starter and wasn’t for much longer, and Stafford, who I think is the best comparison for Dak and the others on that list, showing that competent coaching is what matters most with really good qbs who aren’t quite generational. McVay and his staff that year could have won that Super Bowl with a bunch of those guys. And don’t @ me about Brady, nobody should be expected to take less than market rate just because he did and for reasons we already know. If you want to argue that these monster contracts should only be for the Brady’s and Mahomes’ of the world I won’t disagree but the market controls and that’s what drives these contracts.

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All great points. However, didn't KC win the Super Bowl w Mahomes before he was locked in with an insane contract?

Coaching absolutely matters most, but having a transformative QB, helps. Dallas has neither.

I would argue that a smarter GM would find a way to have his QB take a lower salary to provide for more better players, and a smarter QB would understand that winning a Super Bowl would increase his value and brand. If anything, if Dak has another horrible playoff game, (and based on what what we've seen, he will), his contract will be held against him by the fans.  

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1 minute ago, TreatyOak said:

All great points. However, didn't KC win the Super Bowl w Mahomes before he was locked in with an insane contract?

Coaching absolutely matters most, but having a transformative QB, helps. Dallas has neither.

I would argue that a smarter GM would find a way to have his QB take a lower salary to provide for more better players, and a smarter QB would understand that winning a Super Bowl would increase his value and brand. If anything, if Dak has another horrible payoff game, (and based on what what we've seen, he will), his contract will be held against him by the fans.  

Mahomes is generational and won two after the contract, they somehow managed to pay other good players too, only the Cowboys fans in this thread seem to think if you refuse to pay market rate all these cheaper players including the most important on the field is a winning formula. Fans are gonna blame Dak anyways because that’s what Cowboys fans do while the owner and his pathetic coaching hires is the real problem. Waiting to draft the next Mahomes isn’t exactly a strategy. That’s literally just gambling.

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5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Mahomes is generational and won two after the contract, they somehow managed to pay other good players too, only the Cowboys fans in this thread seem to think if you refuse to pay market rate all these cheaper players including the most important on the field is a winning formula. Fans are gonna blame Dak anyways because that’s what Cowboys fans do while the owner and his pathetic coaching hires is the real problem. Waiting to draft the next Mahomes isn’t exactly a strategy. That’s literally just gambling.

I'm not convinced the Cowboys problems are entirely coaching. Dak made horrendous decisions on the field when it mattered most; in the playoff game vs the Packers last year. I get market pricing, but I just think it's strange to pay someone the most money in the league who doesn't seem to be on the same level as the Super Bowl winning QBs. 

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The defense didn't cover a single GB receiver all fucking game and never adjusted. That's shitty fucking coaching, period.

No argument here. As a a Cowboy hater, it was beautiful. 

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That's why you take advantage of QBs on their rookie deals and build around them. Dallas failed to do so. They had Dak and Zeke both on rookie deals. When Zeke was the best in the business. But their defense was grade A garbage. 2016 was the year to do it or at bare minimum, get there. But nope.

Check back later and Dak will be well down this list. That's how salaries work. I believe Dak was the highest paid when he first got his deal years ago and then slid down the list. Every year in every position, it's the highest contract ever!

The hard part is staying disciplined and trusting that the success with that rookie-deal qb is because the team and staff are in place. Otherwise you misattribute it to the scarcity of good qb play and you pay the guy out of fear that he will walk otherwise. 49ers facing this right now with Purdy. People seem to take it for granted that they hit on a ‘gem’ and need to pay him which will subsequently begin to kill their roster. In reality, there’s a bunch of dudes that could be successful in that position. Let Purdy walk and draft another one. Hopefully do it with advanced timing so the next guy can sit a year before playing. And keep spending that money on safeties/lbers/guards/etc you can buy a lot of good players at those positions for the cost of 1 qb…
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I’ll never believe that paying your best players “kills” the rest of your roster. The “salary cap” has so many exceptions and ways to manipulate that it’s basically meaningless. It’s not my money so I don’t give a shit how they spend it. Zeke’s contract was supposed to make it impossible to sign anyone else for like a decade and yet in the last month we have monster deals to CeeDee and Dak. It’s all just dumbass numbers.

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19 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

Let's review the highest paid QB's. Nary a Super Bowl winner amongst them.

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The next QB who should be an interesting case study is Brock Purdy.  But this is what the QB market is like.... who's up next.  There are 3 runner ups and a guy with 2 MVP's on that list, but what has Trevor Lawrence done to get 55m?  Tua?  Where is Kirk Cousins?  While his deal is AAV at 45m, it really is a 2 year deal for 100m all guaranteed or 3 years for 157.5m, which is 52.5m.  The last year is just a tack on year.

Purdy will be interesting.  Allen probably wants a new deal in two summers, same with Mahomes.  That may be when Houston wants to wrap up CJ.  It's always going to be who's next, but because Jerrah waited and waited and waited..... none of the best QBs who are under 33 are coming up for a couple of years, so Dak may hold the record for at least another year.

 

 

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2 hours ago, 'stache said:

and Stafford, who I think is the best comparison for Dak

go read football for dummies, dipshit.  stafford is light years ahead of dak.  there is no comparison.  if dak had to spend the first 10 years of his career on those detroit teams you would not know a goddamn thing about him beyond his career in starkville.  

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No it doesn't, it's simply been a league run by Brady(who was getting under the table deals and making money hand over fist to take pay cuts) and Mahomes(who's at 45 a year, just behind this list and will be at 70 or more when they redo it...and will STILL be a SB contender.

You have to pay the going rate for a QB. or you have to have the best team around and a guy who can just play (Foles)

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6 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

All great points. However, didn't KC win the Super Bowl w Mahomes before he was locked in with an insane contract?

Coaching absolutely matters most, but having a transformative QB, helps. Dallas has neither.

I would argue that a smarter GM would find a way to have his QB take a lower salary to provide for more better players, and a smarter QB would understand that winning a Super Bowl would increase his value and brand. If anything, if Dak has another horrible playoff game, (and based on what what we've seen, he will), his contract will be held against him by the fans.  

Agents won’t participate in that discussion.  Only Tom Brady did that and he had a wife that made more than him.  It’s why I would have let Dak hit the market.  Jerry blinked, got skeered he wouldn’t find a qb.  Stupidity.  
Niners better win this season as they will be dismantling the team to fit in Purdy, the next highest paid player in history.

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5 hours ago, 'stache said:

The defense didn't cover a single GB receiver all fucking game and never adjusted. That's shitty fucking coaching, period.

Dak threw two interceptions that lead directly to 14 points in the first half.  Potato/Potato

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