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My query for the Trump supporters who claim to be decent, ethical, and moral human beings....why do they think a Trump win unleashed a torrent of permission for people to be shitty:

- Open statements by men of "your body, MY choice" to women: online, by male students to females in high schools and colleges, by advocacy groups demonstrating on college campuses.

- Gleeful statements and texts from friends and family members saying things like "glad that n***** b**** lost."

- Taunts to hispanic people, south asian people, and other minority groups of "your ass is gonna get deported."

- More open confrontations of people who are "foreign" looking or sounding in public of "go back to your country, you don't belong here."

- Open verbal statements, emails, and signs telling black people to "get ready to go back to the plantation" and numerous other shitty messages like that.

- Calling any and all gay and trans people "groomers" and "pedophiles" who should be taken care of by the law and otherwise.

 

From what I've seen, there is zero, zilch, NADA from the Trump supporter camp reacting to ANY of that with a "cut that shit out, that's not who we are, and if you stand for or say shit like that, GTFO of this movement."  I'd ask "why is that," but I'm pretty sure we all know why that is the case.

It is not just okay now, but a sign of strength, virtue, and dedication to the "MAGA movement" ideals, to behave that way.  Cruelty and open hatred is not a side effect -- it's the point.

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11 hours ago, mchookem said:

he's working on his sermon for tomorrow anyway

No, went duck hunting instead. Teal on the grill tonight.  

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This isn’t complicated. Republican have control of:

- Mainstream media

- Legacy media

- New media

- Old media

How can you say that with a straight face. Take a look at the political contributions of the people who work at Legacy Media. It’s virtually entirely to the Democratic Party. Stop being intentionally dishonest. I thought you guys were the party of honesty. That’s not what I’m getting from y’all.

In a very ironic twist, friend who was very much against owning a firearm has been pushed over the edge in the last few days since the election and now thinks it would probably be a good idea to have some way to defend themselves. Now got friends who voted for Trump asking why the change of heart and why they think they need a firearm...they don't want people who didn't vote for Trump to exercise their right to bear arms, I guess that is supposed to be reserved for the true MAGA believers...

31 minutes ago, G650 said:

As Andrew Breibart himself noted, politics is downstream of culture. American culture has been sick for a long, long time, and in so many ways. Morally, aesthetically, socially, this has been something coming for decades, since the 80s at least. There's been small flashes of breaking out that torpor, but nothing that has sustained against the downward trajectory. This isn't something Trump did, or the Democrats, or even politicians in general. I've said this for so long now that I can only vaguely remember when I first got the sense this was happening. The American people did this to themselves. I have no answers on how it will change. I used to think maybe I did, but this election put that to bed permanently. I fear absent a worldwide depression and massive war, it will just be a gradual decline to black.

This is the story, and pretty much the whole story.

Trump, Trumpism, and a resurgence of xenophobia and demonization of the "other" is not a product of Trumpism, MAGA, etc.  MAGA, Trumpism, and message board posters who gleefully jack off to the idea of going down to the border and shooting brown people are a product of WHO WE ARE.

Fighting back/arguing against that is clearly just yelling against the waves as they roll over us.  No point in talking about who we would like to be, who we pretend we are.  We are who we are.  This is who we are:

- Open statements by men of "your body, MY choice" to women: online, by male students to females in high schools and colleges, by advocacy groups demonstrating on college campuses.

- Gleeful statements and texts from friends and family members saying things like "glad that n***** b**** lost."

- Taunts to hispanic people, south asian people, and other minority groups of "your ass is gonna get deported."

- More open confrontations of people who are "foreign" looking or sounding in public of "go back to your country, you don't belong here."

- Open verbal statements, emails, and signs telling black people to "get ready to go back to the plantation" and numerous other shitty messages like that.

- Calling any and all gay and trans people "groomers" and "pedophiles" who should be taken care of by the law and otherwise.

 

And then, a big chunk of people who go along with that because either they are blind to it, think it won't really affect them, think that they can deal with the effects because the money pay off will be better, etc.  

TLDR: We are mostly one of two things - shitty, or okay with shittiness if we think we can skirt the effects/reap the benefits.

14 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

How can you say that with a straight face. Take a look at the political contributions of the people who work at Legacy Media. It’s virtually entirely to the Democratic Party. Stop being intentionally dishonest. I thought you guys were the party of honesty. That’s not what I’m getting from y’all.

Look at the people who own legacy media. 

18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This is the story, and pretty much the whole story.

Trump, Trumpism, and a resurgence of xenophobia and demonization of the "other" is not a product of Trumpism, MAGA, etc.  MAGA, Trumpism, and message board posters who gleefully jack off to the idea of going down to the border and shooting brown people are a product of WHO WE ARE.

Fighting back/arguing against that is clearly just yelling against the waves as they roll over us.  No point in talking about who we would like to be, who we pretend we are.  We are who we are.  This is who we are:

- Open statements by men of "your body, MY choice" to women: online, by male students to females in high schools and colleges, by advocacy groups demonstrating on college campuses.

- Gleeful statements and texts from friends and family members saying things like "glad that n***** b**** lost."

- Taunts to hispanic people, south asian people, and other minority groups of "your ass is gonna get deported."

- More open confrontations of people who are "foreign" looking or sounding in public of "go back to your country, you don't belong here."

- Open verbal statements, emails, and signs telling black people to "get ready to go back to the plantation" and numerous other shitty messages like that.

- Calling any and all gay and trans people "groomers" and "pedophiles" who should be taken care of by the law and otherwise.

 

And then, a big chunk of people who go along with that because either they are blind to it, think it won't really affect them, think that they can deal with the effects because the money pay off will be better, etc.  

TLDR: We are mostly one of two things - shitty, or okay with shittiness if we think we can skirt the effects/reap the benefits.

This is the basis of Trumpism. It’s not policy driven, it’s isolationism and fear driven. Just the number of people around here and other places online that can’t discuss policy, have no idea what they are even arguing in support of, and really just interact by sticking their fingers in their ears and sticking out their tongues is fascinating.

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Oh no 

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28 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

How can you say that with a straight face. Take a look at the political contributions of the people who work at Legacy Media. It’s virtually entirely to the Democratic Party. Stop being intentionally dishonest. I thought you guys were the party of honesty. That’s not what I’m getting from y’all.

First of all, I'm not a Democrat. I never considered myself a particularly strong Democrat, and have not identified as a Democrat in any way since early 2016. Severing my relationship, which was tenuous to begin with, was the price of my vote for Hillary Clinton. 

Second, I'm some minuscule portion of "The people who work at Legacy Media" contributed some small part of their insignificant wages to Democrats or align to Democratic candidates in some way. You think that's meaningful to whether the Legacy media is under the control of the Republican messaging apparatus? You think some talking head or food columnist or assignments editor is in a position to put their thumb on the scale of elections? Come on man. I thought you got clean. 

2 hours ago, Goofyboy said:


I watch the local news. I mainly watch for the nightly weather. Outside of that, we watch streaming services - either trash reality TV or documentaries.

Me too. I don't watch reality TV but my wife does and we both watch docs. 

30 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

In a very ironic twist, friend who was very much against owning a firearm has been pushed over the edge in the last few days since the election and now thinks it would probably be a good idea to have some way to defend themselves. Now got friends who voted for Trump asking why the change of heart and why they think they need a firearm...they don't want people who didn't vote for Trump to exercise their right to bear arms, I guess that is supposed to be reserved for the true MAGA believers...

Because my progressive friends know I own a lot of guns I've gotten maybe a dozen calls and texts in the last 5 days about getting some pointers about what they should/could buy and own.

13 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Sadly that shit happened before the election and all over the country. Walked into a bar with some friends from Cape Verde up in Boston. All heads turned towards us and we were politely told we might want to find another establishment.

It is in our soul as a nation. Sucks, but it is not just this election.

 

29 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Look at the people who own legacy media. 

I thought prestige legacy media like the Post and LA Times have independent editorial control of their newsrooms. Are you trying to tell me that Bezos is a Republican and his paper is serving the interests of the GOP. What basis do you have for saying this? Because they refused to do an endorsement of Harris which was the Post’s tradition to not endorse anyone for prior to the 80s. You don’t believe this bullshit for one second.

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41 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

My query for the Trump supporters who claim to be decent, ethical, and moral human beings...

Well you see, this is all happening under Biden!  Trump will fix it!

6 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

I thought prestige legacy media like the Post and LA Times have independent editorial control of their newsrooms. Are you trying to tell me that Bezos is a Republican and his paper is serving the interests of the GOP. What basis do you having this? Because they refused to do an endorsement of Harris which was the Post’s tradition to not endorse anyone for prior to the 80s. You don’t believe this bullshit for one second bozo

They have independent control? First, that's a naive and dated idea in general. To the exent they were ever independent (they weren't, that was always a polite fiction) they haven't been in a couple of decades. That polite fiction has been mostly abandoned.  Second and more importantly however, both the post and the LA Times spiked their endorsement of Harris because their owners demanded it. I'm sure you are aware of that and I'm throwing you into the briar patch as you wish to see how you plan to get out. 

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50 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

No, went duck hunting instead. Teal on the grill tonight.  

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Classic Johnny with the black face

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

They have independent control? First, that's a naive and dated idea in general. To the exent they were ever independent they haven't been in a couple of decades. Second and more importantly however, both the post and the LA Times spiked their endorsement of Harris because their owners demanded it. I'm sure you are aware of that and I'm throwing you into the briar patch as you wish to see how you plan to get out. 

I think Bezos was responding to the fact that the trust in legacy media was polled to be at 31% for all Americans and 12% amongst Republicans. He might have believed there is a crisis in legitimacy with corporate media serving as advocates, some would say propagandists of the Administration. Look at the hagiographic articles and covers of magazines that came out glorifying Harris after she entered the race. The NYT saw a big bump in subscriptions during Trump 1.0 for their adversarial role. That is what all legacy media tried to do which has left them with the lowest approval and trust level in history. The Post with their “Democracy Dies in Darkness” motto is not changing its stripes despite not endorsing Harris. They’re as disagreeable to a Republican president as can be as witnessed by the fit their journalists threw by their editors not endorsing Harris.

18 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Me too. I don't watch reality TV but my wife does and we both watch docs. 

Because my progressive friends know I own a lot of guns I've gotten maybe a dozen calls and texts in the last 5 days about getting some pointers about what they should/could buy and own.

Yeah, I sold most of mine. But not all.

It might also have somethign to do with Amazon Web Services and a few of their kind of large projects with the Federal Government. No one wants to piss of Trump.

26 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

In a very ironic twist, friend who was very much against owning a firearm has been pushed over the edge in the last few days since the election and now thinks it would probably be a good idea to have some way to defend themselves. Now got friends who voted for Trump asking why the change of heart and why they think they need a firearm...they don't want people who didn't vote for Trump to exercise their right to bear arms, I guess that is supposed to be reserved for the true MAGA believers...

 

10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Because my progressive friends know I own a lot of guns I've gotten maybe a dozen calls and texts in the last 5 days about getting some pointers about what they should/could buy and own.

my niece is terrified. ive been talking her down all week... but then she had a run-in on campus with some jabronis (only verbal, but basically the same 'your body, my choice!' bs...gotdamn i wish i'd been there 😡).

i tried to get her to 'they're just stupid boys' but she's literally feeling terrorized, which i guess she is, and that seems to be the point. so...i went ahead and suggested she get a gun. she's shot out at my dad's many times, she's pretty comfortable handling a firearm, and a small pistol is all she needs. in fact...i suggested she carry lol (would have to be conceal carry on campus, i assume). i mean at this point i'm all for whatever it takes for her to feel safer until she can gtfo out of Texas. 

like i said...i now accept that we are who the world thinks we are. unlike an apparently huge chunk of this country, i am capable of taking in new data, letting my amygdala kick it around a bit, and then changing my position. @fattyflattie would be proud 😜...murder dildos for everyone!

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i mean...fuck it.bye.gif.3cda716543cde476be672d7f29ac8271.gif200w(13).gif.347c7ef50883d099187ac810165bc6b3.gif

 

27 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Oh no 

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She obviously fears losing weight too.  Thanks for the extra cash tho.  I could really use it.  Millions more like her.  Where do I start with the thank you cards?

 

With sleepy Joe if I listen to Nancy. 

On 11/8/2024 at 5:31 PM, David Dennison said:

Why is that?

David

Well, compare your red district with a blue lone with similar demographics, and you might appear honest.

15 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

I think Bezos was responding to the fact that the trust in legacy media was polled to be at 31% for all Americans and 12% amongst Republicans. He might have believed there is a crisis in legitimacy with corporate media serving as advocates, some would say propagandists of the Administration. Look at the hagiographic articles and covers of magazines that came out glorifying Harris after she entered the race. The NYT saw a big bump in subscriptions during Trump 1.0 for their adversarial role. That is what all legacy media tried to do which has left them with the lowest approval and trust level in history. The Post with their “Democracy Dies in Darkness” motto is not changing its stripes despite not endorsing Harris. They’re as disagreeable to a Republican president as can be as witnessed by the fit their journalists threw by their editors not endorsing Harris.

So you concede the newsrooms and journalists aren't independent AND you concede that business is better if Trump wins AND you concede that the ownership are making editorial decisions with Republicans in mind. 
My friend, much like citizenship, journalism is not an S&M kink. The people with gags on aren't in control.
You have lost this argument and we can go back to the main topic of the thread now.





 

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5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah it is, but I wonder why.

On the one hand, there's a lot of money there and a lot of education/educated.  But same is true of NYC and Philly, just using east coast cities.

One thing that maybe stands out, from WWII to present, it has gone from 96.6% white to 44.7%.

I suppose the other standout demographic feature is that its largest white ethnic population is Irish at 14%.

The wealth gap is huge, but I suspect no different than NYC or Philly.

Take the train from Newark to DC.  Inequality is to0 cold of a word to describe the track facing ghettos of Philly.  That society has real problems. 
or, Drive from Chicago to Nashville.  Every middling city’s has its awful ghetto on display.  The pictures just scream injustice and degradation.

7 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

I mean I really don't see nothing wrong with (lol, you used it) charity. Hell, the ACA isn't gone, and he still needs help. It's not an own, it shows that it's not working for him.

47 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

She obviously fears losing weight too.

I'm wagering that fear is misplaced unless hamberders get banned.

1 minute ago, workswithseed said:

I mean I really don't see nothing wrong with (lol, you used it) charity. Hell, the ACA isn't gone, and he still needs help. It's not an own, it shows that it's not working for him.

So your take is he actually wanted more comprehensive Healthcare, and would have voted yes on that?

1 minute ago, G650 said:

I'm wagering that fear is misplaced unless hamberders get banned.

So your take is he actually wanted more comprehensive Healthcare, and would have voted yes on that?

No. 

Just now, workswithseed said:

No. 

I shall refer you to the thread title then good sir.

Just now, G650 said:

I shall refer you to the thread title then good sir.

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56 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So you concede the newsrooms and journalists aren't independent AND you concede that business is better if Trump wins AND you concede that the ownership are making editorial decisions with Republicans in mind. 
My friend, much like citizenship, journalism is not an S&M kink. The people with gags on aren't in control.
You have lost this argument and we can go back to the main topic of the thread now.





 

Right media bias doesn’t exist in favor of the Democrats. If the mainstream media is under the control of Republicans why do Republicans have such little regard for it. I mean if it caters to my interests I should be for it. I don’t think the NYT is going to see a big bump in subscription from Trump haters this go around. You know that’s where the bump came from - Trump haters. Y’all have been worn down too bad and nothing sticks to him.

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2 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Right media bias doesn’t exist.

Trump has cast a voodoo spell over media and they do only his bidding by calling him a fascist.

 

Do I have that right? Bozo

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3 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Right media bias doesn’t exist.

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7 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Right media bias doesn’t exist.

This is too stupid to be real. Off to the ignore list.

guys! there's a thread for this discussion...

 

 

this thread is for the American electorate getting exactly what they wanted. thank you. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

why do Republicans have such little regard for it.

They don't. That's why Trump called it an asset. That's why they talk about it all the time and use it so effectively. 

 

15 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

I mean if it caters to my interests I should be for it.

You aren't the audience for it. The media that is actually mainstream  is for you. The legacy media reaches a legacy audience.

 

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10 minutes ago, SeattleHorn said:

This is too stupid to be real. Off to the ignore list.

Icono is an Ignore List OG, unless you’re looking for insight on the BJs-for-meth trade.

22 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Trump has cast a voodoo spell over media and they do only his bidding by calling him a fascist.

 

Do I have that right? Bozo

No, not only, although that probably helps him considerably. They also cancel ad buys from opposition, frame his opponents and issues in terms his team defines, forces his opponents to react to whatever OUTRAGEOUS and "THIS IS NOT NORMAL" thing he does and says, and give him literally billions of dollars worth of earned media his opponents don't get. What did I say when people were making fun of the McDonald's stunt? I said "he's good at this."

17 minutes ago, mchookem said:

guys! there's a thread for this discussion...

 

 

this thread is for the American electorate getting exactly what they wanted. thank you. 

 

 

Agreed, I’m tired of batting these two around. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

This is the story, and pretty much the whole story.

Trump, Trumpism, and a resurgence of xenophobia and demonization of the "other" is not a product of Trumpism, MAGA, etc.  MAGA, Trumpism, and message board posters who gleefully jack off to the idea of going down to the border and shooting brown people are a product of WHO WE ARE.

Fighting back/arguing against that is clearly just yelling against the waves as they roll over us.  No point in talking about who we would like to be, who we pretend we are.  We are who we are.  This is who we are:

- Open statements by men of "your body, MY choice" to women: online, by male students to females in high schools and colleges, by advocacy groups demonstrating on college campuses.

- Gleeful statements and texts from friends and family members saying things like "glad that n***** b**** lost."

- Taunts to hispanic people, south asian people, and other minority groups of "your ass is gonna get deported."

- More open confrontations of people who are "foreign" looking or sounding in public of "go back to your country, you don't belong here."

- Open verbal statements, emails, and signs telling black people to "get ready to go back to the plantation" and numerous other shitty messages like that.

- Calling any and all gay and trans people "groomers" and "pedophiles" who should be taken care of by the law and otherwise.

 

And then, a big chunk of people who go along with that because either they are blind to it, think it won't really affect them, think that they can deal with the effects because the money pay off will be better, etc.  

TLDR: We are mostly one of two things - shitty, or okay with shittiness if we think we can skirt the effects/reap the benefits.

Light at the end of the tunnel-

All of what you wrote is true. However, I want to add to this. People are going to get hurt. Displaced. Even lose their lives. However, conservatives have never won.

January 1, 1863 there was a little thing called the Emancipation Proclamation. Conservatives were big mad. We fought a war. They lost. During the Reconstruction black people had a sliver of progress. We were free. We opened businesses. We even took places of office. Like now the conservatives got upset. They used "States Rights" to absolutely bury the black community for decades but it ultimately prevailed. They lost to women's rights. Gay rights. They have never won a battle against social progress. They've only succeeded in slowing it down momentarily. Even though things appear to be ugly right now, and they ARE very ugly, black people don't gain equal right without caring whites. Women don't gain equal rights without caring men. Gay people don't gain equal right without caring heteros. There are a lot of good people out there it's just hard to hear them through all the hate. Ultimately we are going to win this thing, we always do. Not without a lot of pain and suffering. Conservatives are going to do what they always do and make it so bad that people say enough. We are in the middle of our version of the 1950's. The 60's are coming.

21 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

I'm stunned. I didn't know until yesterday this was a thing they did. All the neocon shit aside... why? What was the point? Is there a contingent of voters out there who care about Liz Cheney? WHO EVEN KNOWS WHO LIZ CHENEY IS!?!?

I am guessing the logic was that there were ~25% of Republican primary voters who didn’t want Trump and voted for Nikki Haley and they were hoping to sway a significant number of them to carry that over to a vote against Trump in the general election.  It obviously didn’t work.

1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

Light at the end of the tunnel-

All of what you wrote is true. However, I want to add to this. People are going to get hurt. Displaced. Even lose their lives. However, conservatives have never won.

January 1, 1863 there was a little thing called the Emancipation Proclamation. Conservatives were big mad. We fought a war. They lost. During the Reconstruction black people had a sliver of progress. We were free. We opened businesses. We even took places of office. Like now the conservatives got upset. They used "States Rights" to absolutely bury the black community for decades but it ultimately prevailed. They lost to women's rights. Gay rights. They have never won a battle against social progress. They've only succeeded in slowing it down momentarily. Even though things appear to be ugly right now, and they ARE very ugly, black people don't gain equal right without caring whites. Women don't gain equal rights without caring men. Gay people don't gain equal right without caring heteros. There are a lot of good people out there it's just hard to hear them through all the hate. Ultimately we are going to win this thing, we always do. Not without a lot of pain and suffering. Conservatives are going to do what they always do and make it so bad that people say enough. We are in the middle of our version of the 1950's. The 60's are coming.

The bolded is my concern, dude.  Yes, there's another side of every bout of exceptional cruel stupidity.

It's the price that is paid to get there that is SUCH.  A FUCKING.  WASTE.

Oh, and the 60s were a fucking shitshow too.  It wasn't all hippies and peace and love with women with super hairy undercarriages.  It was violence and assassinations, too.  And other countries had their versions as well.   Let's hope we're only going through "the shit era of the 50s and 60s in the US" and not "the 1930s in Germany and Italy."  Because we are NOT different than those countries.  Not much at all, really.

9 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We are in the middle of our version of the 1950's. The 60's are coming.

I understand your point, but I think you've got the Decade wrong. 2024 was our 1968, when the hippies and people who cared about social justice began to write off areas of the country they didn't care about and retreated to safe spaces like Austin and San Fransisco and LA, and a recent period of chaos ushered in a long,dark period of moral and sociocultural decline. 

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I understand your point, but I think you've got the Decade wrong. 2024 was our 1968, when the hippies and people who cared about social justice began to write off areas of the country they didn't care about and retreated to safe spaces like Austin and San Fransisco and LA, and a recent period of chaos ushered in a long,dark period of moral and sociocultural decline. 

But on the bright side, I was born during that "long dark period of moral and sociocultural decline."

And I caution you - correlation does NOT equal causation.  But then again....it also doesn't DISPROVE causation.  So, there's that.

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I understand your point, but I think you've got the Decade wrong. 2024 was our 1968, when the hippies and people who cared about social justice began to write off areas of the country they didn't care about and retreated to safe spaces like Austin and San Fransisco and LA, and a recent period of chaos ushered in a long,dark period of moral and sociocultural decline. 

I disagree. It's been largely peaceful up until now. We are at the beginnings of a large scale conservative push. Those are always followed by social revolt. Once Project 2025 starts hitting people are going to draw the line in the sand. We've not had large scale social change in our lifetime. Basically our entire lives have been spent with conservatives trying to roll back protections for marginalized groups.

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