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20 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Whose religion was threatened?  Yours.  LOL.  Thus your emotional reaction.

I can handle whatever.  I was out in it.  Every fucking day.  Still haven't had gotdam Covid.   That is not to deny its existence, but I'm not a health lottery winner either.

my mom hasn't had it either. they don't know why these people seem to be immune. one theory is they do get it, it's just undetected and sloughed off easily. either way same result, never got it, or it never took real hold. it's the opposite of those who get absolutely fucking annihilated by it, probably 5% on each side. everyone else in the middle.

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Sound like masking in enclosed public spaces and getting the jab during the worst of it worked for you, @Iceman. Congrats! That's great news. I too took all the prescribed precautions and came out of it physically unscathed (i.e., I never caught it either).

I suppose, though, we could also have won the genetic lottery and have some characteristic that protected us from that specific virus as @troph postulates. After all, I do recall something about how certain blood types seemed to be less susceptible to the virus attaching to cells.

Whichever the case, I'm grateful but have moved on. 

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2 hours ago, troph said:

fair enough, but 5-6% develop long covid which is not a nuisance it's pure fucking misery and some never recover. we can treat it as a nuisance

Agree, it’s misery, but you’re working with old data. The number of immune naive people that are out there is almost nothing. The incidence of long Covid with prior immunity is greatly reduced. Even more so with omicron. And that’s where I go back to having a personal discussion with your physician on your risks for Covid complications and subsequent booster immunizations.

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50 minutes ago, bolverk said:

never caught it either

You would have to have titers drawn to prove that. There are huge percentages of people who caught it, developed antibodies, and never showed any significant symptoms.

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36 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

You would have to have titers drawn to prove that. There are huge percentages of people who caught it, developed antibodies, and never showed any significant symptoms.

Oaky, well, I've been sick twice since the pandemic first hit: once in August 2021, after a work trip, and the other in December 2024, after a road trip to New York. In both cases, I performed the Covid home test kit, and in both cases, the results were negative.

So, yeah, I could've been exposed at some point, but let's just say I never got sick from Covid. Now, again, my point to Slorch was that he's not unique in not having fallen ill with Covid, either from a) winning some kind of genetic luck or b) following the advice of experts by taking the shot/masking up in enclosed public spaces during the worst of the outbreak.

Is there something you disagree with in my saying that? Is there a flaw in my logic, doctor?

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The only time I ever tested positive for Covid my illness was roughly as benign as an allergy attack.  It was essentially a 16-hour headache.  I didn't test because I felt awful, I tested because my wife DID feel awful and she had a positive test.

I've had a half dozen vaccines and boosters, though.  It would not shock me if most people have caught covid, vaxxed or not, and their situations just never rose to the level of shittery that would prompt them to even test.  And, once you've had it you are almost surely more immune down the road.  And, the tests aren't perfect.

All that said, our knowledge and herd immunity are vastly different now than they were in the spring of 2020, and anyone who wants to rewrite that history can take a long walk off a short pier.

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23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Contrarian egotistic intellectually stunted motherfuckers like @Anastasis want to circle back and criticize US policy in fighting a pandemic that killed 1.2 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ALONE and yet offer absolutely nothing of substance that would have helped in real time.  Typical.

We had lots of real time conversation here. For example I was a vocal advocate of first dose vax maximization and extended interval second dosing. Just cause you have a short memory does not mean the rest of us do jimmy. 

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

We had lots of real time conversation here. For example I was a vocal advocate of first dose vax maximization and extended interval second dosing. Just cause you have a short memory does not mean the rest of us do jimmy. 

I have a great memory.  For instance, I remember quite clearly that you are a contrarian egotistic intellectually stunted motherfucker, and that you offer nothing of substance but seem to get off on acting smarter than most (which you most certainly are not), annie.

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I'll stop posting about real life, and let the fairy tale bullshit continue.

 

Shouldn't we "deniers" be dead yet?

 

( I'm not one, but I object to protocol that cannot be executed properly)

Everyone should be nodding in agreement by now.

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4 hours ago, Newdoc said:

 

Agree, it’s misery, but you’re working with old data. The number of immune naive people that are out there is almost nothing. The incidence of long Covid with prior immunity is greatly reduced. Even more so with omicron. And that’s where I go back to having a personal discussion with your physician on your risks for Covid complications and subsequent booster immunizations.

The first primary care doctor that knows anything of consequence about Covid beyond cursory crap you can find on webMD will be the first. 

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22 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Has anyone on here actually taken a fucking course on public health?

It’s completely un-American - sacrifice the individual (individual liberty) for the good of the collective - which in turn makes it good for 99.99% of all individuals. 

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22 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Has anyone on here actually taken a fucking course on public health?

I'm honestly surprised that terrorist organizations haven't tried something on a large-scale involving pandemic-type stuff.

I mean, there's been a few attacks here and there on a small scale over the decades (I can't remember the last one, but maybe the subway thing in Tokyo or whatever?), and a whole shitload of movies and TV shows that centered around terrorists dropping some contagious shit into countries.

But we have cabinet-level people who are pushing the government to A) stop letting the people know when shit is going down and B) distrust vaccines (and actively work against them). Seems like a ready-made disaster for terrorists to exploit.

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21 hours ago, Iceman said:

I'll stop posting about real life, and let the fairy tale bullshit continue.

 

Shouldn't we "deniers" be dead yet?

 

( I'm not one, but I object to protocol that cannot be executed properly)

Everyone should be nodding in agreement by now.

My ancestors obviously didn't die from the Bubonic Plague, so it must not have been that bad.  

Posted
2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

But we have cabinet-level people who are pushing the government to A) stop letting the people know when shit is going down and B) distrust vaccines (and actively work against them). Seems like a ready-made disaster for terrorists to exploit.

Well the chucklefucks in liberty hill aren’t being nice enough to share their kid’s immunizations or travel history per that KXAN story. So seems like that strategy is working all the way from the top to the local level. Considering how many immunocompromised kids I personally know at my kid’s elementary, I’d expect it to be the same everywhere. I’ll never understand how they care so little about the people around them. Selfish fucking people. 

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3 hours ago, drt said:

I’ll never understand how they care so little about the people around them. Selfish fucking people. 

And they are making policy as we speak

How the FDA Might Make It Harder to Get COVID Shots This Year

The U.S. government has not yet made its official recommendations for who should be able to get COVID booster shots this fall, but FDA officials published a policy position in the New England Journal of Medicine announcing that it intends to make some drastic policy changes. The changes could result in healthy people under age 65 losing access to COVID vaccines, according to vaccine experts who have spoken about the policies. Here’s what we know so far, and why the announced policy could be a problem. 

The new policy, according to the NEJM article, would be to accept those immunobridging studies only to approve vaccines for people aged 65 and up, and people above the age of 6 months who have one of the high-risk conditions on a list maintained by the CDC. 

For healthy people under 65, the FDA’s policy wouldn’t approve new COVID vaccines unless they were tested against a placebo. (The type of placebo is phrased vaguely: “The control group could receive a saline placebo,” the authors write.) 

The FDA doesn’t have the authority to change the recommendations on who should get vaccines that are already approved (that’s the CDC’s purview), but it is in charge of approving vaccines and can approve them only for specific populations. 

Public health experts are, to put it mildly, not happy with this plan. That’s because we already have COVID vaccines that work. Doing a placebo-controlled trial would require withholding COVID vaccines from people in the control group; they would get saline instead of a functional vaccine. 

The normal way to do this type of trial (if you do one at all, rather than relying on immunobridging) is to compare the new vaccine or medication against one that is already considered effective. To use an extreme analogy, you wouldn’t test a new design of seatbelt by randomizing people to ride around without using any seatbelts at all. 

Vaccine scientist Peter Hotez told CNN that the FDA’s announced approach “essentially denies access to vaccines,” since such trials are not practical for companies to do. In a post on Bluesky, toxicologist Ryan Marino said that it amounts to “scientific misconduct.” Vaccine expert Paul Offit told NPR “I don't think it's ethical, given that we have a vaccine that works, given that we know that SARS-CoV2 [the COVID virus] continues to circulate and cause hospitalizations and death, and there's no group that has no risk.”

The new policy isn’t official yet, but it’s hard to imagine the FDA and CDC being allowed to approve and recommend vaccines the way it always has in the current political climate. Biologics director Vinay Prasad and FDA Commissioner Marty Makary, whose names appear on the FDA’s policy statement, have a history of arguing against COVID vaccine access for children. 

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It's kind of a wild world where people are advocating boosting healthy 6 month olds and the people that think that maybe we need some hard clinical endpoint data to support that are somehow anti-science. Just bizarro tribalism. 

Posted
7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And they are making policy as we speak

How the FDA Might Make It Harder to Get COVID Shots This Year

The U.S. government has not yet made its official recommendations for who should be able to get COVID booster shots this fall, but FDA officials published a policy position in the New England Journal of Medicine announcing that it intends to make some drastic policy changes. The changes could result in healthy people under age 65 losing access to COVID vaccines, according to vaccine experts who have spoken about the policies. Here’s what we know so far, and why the announced policy could be a problem. 

The new policy, according to the NEJM article, would be to accept those immunobridging studies only to approve vaccines for people aged 65 and up, and people above the age of 6 months who have one of the high-risk conditions on a list maintained by the CDC. 

For healthy people under 65, the FDA’s policy wouldn’t approve new COVID vaccines unless they were tested against a placebo. (The type of placebo is phrased vaguely: “The control group could receive a saline placebo,” the authors write.) 

The FDA doesn’t have the authority to change the recommendations on who should get vaccines that are already approved (that’s the CDC’s purview), but it is in charge of approving vaccines and can approve them only for specific populations. 

Public health experts are, to put it mildly, not happy with this plan. That’s because we already have COVID vaccines that work. Doing a placebo-controlled trial would require withholding COVID vaccines from people in the control group; they would get saline instead of a functional vaccine. 

The normal way to do this type of trial (if you do one at all, rather than relying on immunobridging) is to compare the new vaccine or medication against one that is already considered effective. To use an extreme analogy, you wouldn’t test a new design of seatbelt by randomizing people to ride around without using any seatbelts at all. 

Vaccine scientist Peter Hotez told CNN that the FDA’s announced approach “essentially denies access to vaccines,” since such trials are not practical for companies to do. In a post on Bluesky, toxicologist Ryan Marino said that it amounts to “scientific misconduct.” Vaccine expert Paul Offit told NPR “I don't think it's ethical, given that we have a vaccine that works, given that we know that SARS-CoV2 [the COVID virus] continues to circulate and cause hospitalizations and death, and there's no group that has no risk.”

The new policy isn’t official yet, but it’s hard to imagine the FDA and CDC being allowed to approve and recommend vaccines the way it always has in the current political climate. Biologics director Vinay Prasad and FDA Commissioner Marty Makary, whose names appear on the FDA’s policy statement, have a history of arguing against COVID vaccine access for children. 

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Those fuckheads are testing to prove that the placebo works, not whether the vaccine does.

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