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11 hours ago, Chopped said:

If I go to another other country on the planet and get a deportation order I should expect to be removed at some point.  Why would it be different here? And please answer with facts, not feelings. 

Let's flesh out this legalism some.  Because that's all you people are relying on here, technical legalism.

Using the "warrant in Denton County" scenario.  If you have a warrant for your arrest somewhere, one of two things is going to happen:  that jurisdiction takes your crime seriously enough that they mount up the MRAP and battle rattle and come serve your ass with it. OR, you get a traffic ticket or some other LE encounter that results in the warrant being served upon you.

If neither of those things happen in 23 years, odds are damn good that warrant is going to go away.  If nothing else, Denton County is probably not going to bother moving it from IT system to IT system because, if neither of the above scenarios involving serving that warrant have occurred in 10+ years, who gives a shit, which is a layman's interpretation of the doctrine of laches, discussed below.

Second, if a 23 year old warrant is served and you appear in court, the judge is pretty likely to be highly skeptical.  Although any statute of limitations is probably tolled by the filing of a complaint and the subsequent issue of a warrant, there is a concept in the law of laches, that recognizes the fundamental unfairness of "resting on your rights."  It also recognizes and embodies the difficulties of trying a case where the events and evidence of them occurred in the distant past.

On the flip side, it's not great to sit around and hope you don't get served, or just exist in ignorance of the warrant, but it surely happens.  Also, there's evidence here that Sergio made efforts to clear up his immigration status.

Additionally, Sergio's deportation order wasn't a criminal matter.  Yes, unlawful entry, first time, can be a crime, but for decades it has not been treated as such.  So the criminal warrant analogy is a bit inapt.

Finally, what do we want from our immigration policy?  To make sure that people living in the US are good and productive citizens, permanent residents, etc.  Sure, Sergio didn't go through the proper channels.  But there's thirty years of evidence that that is exactly what Sergio was.  Does it really serve legitimate immigration policy goals to deport Sergio?  I'm going to leave out the sub rosa current immigration policy of confining immigrants to suitably white, English-speaking people with a lot of money.

The notion that immigration rule violators should be deported holds some force as long as the government doesn't wait decades to deport.  It holds more force if the deportee is somehow unworthy of citizenship or permanent residence, either by criminal history or commission of crimes here, possibly other circumstances.  

Sergio's deportation, and those of many other worthy immigrants, is supported only by technical legalism.  Legalism that this administration is famous for following and obeying.  Again, not mentioning that whole racism thing.

 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Let's flesh out this legalism some.  Because that's all you people are relying on here, technical legalism.

Using the "warrant in Denton County" scenario.  If you have a warrant for your arrest somewhere, one of two things is going to happen:  that jurisdiction takes your crime seriously enough that they mount up the MRAP and battle rattle and come serve your ass with it. OR, you get a traffic ticket or some other LE encounter that results in the warrant being served upon you.

If neither of those things happen in 23 years, odds are damn good that warrant is going to go away.  If nothing else, Denton County is probably not going to bother moving it from IT system to IT system because, if neither of the above scenarios involving serving that warrant have occurred in 10+ years, who gives a shit, which is a layman's interpretation of the doctrine of laches, discussed below.

Second, if a 23 year old warrant is served and you appear in court, the judge is pretty likely to be highly skeptical.  Although any statute of limitations is probably tolled by the filing of a complaint and the subsequent issue of a warrant, there is a concept in the law of laches, that recognizes the fundamental unfairness of "resting on your rights."  It also recognizes and embodies the difficulties of trying a case where the events and evidence of them occurred in the distant past.

On the flip side, it's not great to sit around and hope you don't get served, or just exist in ignorance of the warrant, but it surely happens.  Also, there's evidence here that Sergio made efforts to clear up his immigration status.

Additionally, Sergio's deportation order wasn't a criminal matter.  Yes, unlawful entry, first time, can be a crime, but for decades it has not been treated as such.  So the criminal warrant analogy is a bit inapt.

Finally, what do we want from our immigration policy?  To make sure that people living in the US are good and productive citizens, permanent residents, etc.  Sure, Sergio didn't go through the proper channels.  But there's thirty years of evidence that that is exactly what Sergio was.  Does it really serve legitimate immigration policy goals to deport Sergio?  I'm going to leave out the sub rosa current immigration policy of confining immigrants to suitably white, English-speaking people with a lot of money.

The notion that immigration rule violators should be deported holds some force as long as the government doesn't wait decades to deport.  It holds more force if the deportee is somehow unworthy of citizenship or permanent residence, either by criminal history or commission of crimes here, possibly other circumstances.  

Sergio's deportation, and those of many other worthy immigrants, is supported only by technical legalism.  Legalism that this administration is famous for following and obeying.  Again, not mentioning that whole racism thing.

 

One step further, Sergio was a whistle stop for GW Bush and catered for his fucking campaign events! The entire point of these actions is to terrorize nonwhite people and create an underclass of person that is unprotected by the law but still subject to it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/10/07/texas-waco-chef-deported-sergio-garcia-ice-undocumented/

He was a well-known business owner who had won an international following in the years when President George W. Bush brought hordes of journalists and politicians to Waco.

Within 24 hours, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents had Garcia deported across the border into Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. He was separated from his four U.S.-born adult children and wife, Sandra.

Sandra Garcia, also undocumented, would reunite in July with her husband in Monterrey.

The detention and deportation abruptly cut short an American dream 36 years in the making. It came as a shock to customers and fellow business leaders.

The news rippled through Waco’s immigrant community and brought a sense of fear and vulnerability, said Mito Diaz-Espinoza, president of the Cen-Tex Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

“Deportations like Sergio’s — to fixtures of the community — are making people think, ‘This could be me next, or my favorite place next, or somebody who I talk to every day’,” he said.

Garcia, originally from Veracruz, Mexico, rose from selling ceviche in Styrofoam cups to earning writeups in Texas Monthly and catering events related to President Bush’s Western White House in the 2000s.

A box of thank-you notes at the family’s Waco home includes signed letters by a Baylor University athletic director, Waco Independent School District and countless customers through the years.

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3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

One step further, Sergio was a whistle stop for GW Bush and catered for his fucking campaign events! The entire point of these actions is to terrorize nonwhite people and create an underclass of person that is unprotected by the law but still subject to it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/10/07/texas-waco-chef-deported-sergio-garcia-ice-undocumented/

He was a well-known business owner who had won an international following in the years when President George W. Bush brought hordes of journalists and politicians to Waco.

Within 24 hours, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents had Garcia deported across the border into Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. He was separated from his four U.S.-born adult children and wife, Sandra.

Sandra Garcia, also undocumented, would reunite in July with her husband in Monterrey.

The detention and deportation abruptly cut short an American dream 36 years in the making. It came as a shock to customers and fellow business leaders.

The news rippled through Waco’s immigrant community and brought a sense of fear and vulnerability, said Mito Diaz-Espinoza, president of the Cen-Tex Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

“Deportations like Sergio’s — to fixtures of the community — are making people think, ‘This could be me next, or my favorite place next, or somebody who I talk to every day’,” he said.

Garcia, originally from Veracruz, Mexico, rose from selling ceviche in Styrofoam cups to earning writeups in Texas Monthly and catering events related to President Bush’s Western White House in the 2000s.

A box of thank-you notes at the family’s Waco home includes signed letters by a Baylor University athletic director, Waco Independent School District and countless customers through the years.

TLDR version: Sergio has been a better American than probably 90% of Americans.  BUT....Sergio don't got a 'murican sounding name, so he's not a real American, he should GTFO.  See also MAGA freaking out about an actual US citizen who speaks and sings in spanish, and saying it's really really bad for him to be an entertainer at a big American event.

The movement is about America being for white people only, they aren't trying to hide it.

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