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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Let's flesh out this legalism some.  Because that's all you people are relying on here, technical legalism.

Using the "warrant in Denton County" scenario.  If you have a warrant for your arrest somewhere, one of two things is going to happen:  that jurisdiction takes your crime seriously enough that they mount up the MRAP and battle rattle and come serve your ass with it. OR, you get a traffic ticket or some other LE encounter that results in the warrant being served upon you.

If neither of those things happen in 23 years, odds are damn good that warrant is going to go away.  If nothing else, Denton County is probably not going to bother moving it from IT system to IT system because, if neither of the above scenarios involving serving that warrant have occurred in 10+ years, who gives a shit, which is a layman's interpretation of the doctrine of laches, discussed below.

Second, if a 23 year old warrant is served and you appear in court, the judge is pretty likely to be highly skeptical.  Although any statute of limitations is probably tolled by the filing of a complaint and the subsequent issue of a warrant, there is a concept in the law of laches, that recognizes the fundamental unfairness of "resting on your rights."  It also recognizes and embodies the difficulties of trying a case where the events and evidence of them occurred in the distant past.

On the flip side, it's not great to sit around and hope you don't get served, or just exist in ignorance of the warrant, but it surely happens.  Also, there's evidence here that Sergio made efforts to clear up his immigration status.

Additionally, Sergio's deportation order wasn't a criminal matter.  Yes, unlawful entry, first time, can be a crime, but for decades it has not been treated as such.  So the criminal warrant analogy is a bit inapt.

Finally, what do we want from our immigration policy?  To make sure that people living in the US are good and productive citizens, permanent residents, etc.  Sure, Sergio didn't go through the proper channels.  But there's thirty years of evidence that that is exactly what Sergio was.  Does it really serve legitimate immigration policy goals to deport Sergio?  I'm going to leave out the sub rosa current immigration policy of confining immigrants to suitably white, English-speaking people with a lot of money.

The notion that immigration rule violators should be deported holds some force as long as the government doesn't wait decades to deport.  It holds more force if the deportee is somehow unworthy of citizenship or permanent residence, either by criminal history or commission of crimes here, possibly other circumstances.  

Sergio's deportation, and those of many other worthy immigrants, is supported only by technical legalism.  Legalism that this administration is famous for following and obeying.  Again, not mentioning that whole racism thing.

 

One step further, Sergio was a whistle stop for GW Bush and catered for his fucking campaign events! The entire point of these actions is to terrorize nonwhite people and create an underclass of person that is unprotected by the law but still subject to it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/10/07/texas-waco-chef-deported-sergio-garcia-ice-undocumented/

He was a well-known business owner who had won an international following in the years when President George W. Bush brought hordes of journalists and politicians to Waco.

Within 24 hours, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents had Garcia deported across the border into Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. He was separated from his four U.S.-born adult children and wife, Sandra.

Sandra Garcia, also undocumented, would reunite in July with her husband in Monterrey.

The detention and deportation abruptly cut short an American dream 36 years in the making. It came as a shock to customers and fellow business leaders.

The news rippled through Waco’s immigrant community and brought a sense of fear and vulnerability, said Mito Diaz-Espinoza, president of the Cen-Tex Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

“Deportations like Sergio’s — to fixtures of the community — are making people think, ‘This could be me next, or my favorite place next, or somebody who I talk to every day’,” he said.

Garcia, originally from Veracruz, Mexico, rose from selling ceviche in Styrofoam cups to earning writeups in Texas Monthly and catering events related to President Bush’s Western White House in the 2000s.

A box of thank-you notes at the family’s Waco home includes signed letters by a Baylor University athletic director, Waco Independent School District and countless customers through the years.

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3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

One step further, Sergio was a whistle stop for GW Bush and catered for his fucking campaign events! The entire point of these actions is to terrorize nonwhite people and create an underclass of person that is unprotected by the law but still subject to it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/10/07/texas-waco-chef-deported-sergio-garcia-ice-undocumented/

He was a well-known business owner who had won an international following in the years when President George W. Bush brought hordes of journalists and politicians to Waco.

Within 24 hours, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents had Garcia deported across the border into Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. He was separated from his four U.S.-born adult children and wife, Sandra.

Sandra Garcia, also undocumented, would reunite in July with her husband in Monterrey.

The detention and deportation abruptly cut short an American dream 36 years in the making. It came as a shock to customers and fellow business leaders.

The news rippled through Waco’s immigrant community and brought a sense of fear and vulnerability, said Mito Diaz-Espinoza, president of the Cen-Tex Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

“Deportations like Sergio’s — to fixtures of the community — are making people think, ‘This could be me next, or my favorite place next, or somebody who I talk to every day’,” he said.

Garcia, originally from Veracruz, Mexico, rose from selling ceviche in Styrofoam cups to earning writeups in Texas Monthly and catering events related to President Bush’s Western White House in the 2000s.

A box of thank-you notes at the family’s Waco home includes signed letters by a Baylor University athletic director, Waco Independent School District and countless customers through the years.

TLDR version: Sergio has been a better American than probably 90% of Americans.  BUT....Sergio don't got a 'murican sounding name, so he's not a real American, he should GTFO.  See also MAGA freaking out about an actual US citizen who speaks and sings in spanish, and saying it's really really bad for him to be an entertainer at a big American event.

The movement is about America being for white people only, they aren't trying to hide it.

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Posted
9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don't know how they chose who is going to Illinois, if it was by unit or they were pulling in soldiers from different units, but that sure as hell looks like somebody up the chain-of-command said "hey, let's send all of the guys who haven't passed the APFT in a while!"

Because if that was from a single unit

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And I like how they are all carrying their M4s like some shit is going to go down on the way to the donut shop.

More chins than a Chinese phone book, amirite?

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Prospect published a super interesting article about agricultural workers and an odd, hypocritical Federal Rules change just proposed by the Administration. The administration claims there's a crisis in farm labor and wants to bring in more immigrant farm workers by cutting wages paid to legal immigrant farm workers, and allow the ag industry to deduct the cost of housing from paychecks (just like human traffickers do)

It's about using immigration to increase the profits of agribusiness.  https://prospect.org/politics/trump-labor-department-immigration-ICE-food-crisis/

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“We call it the ‘Deport and Replace’ strategy,” De Loera-Brust said, “which is defined above all to make it easier for corporate agribusiness to exploit its workers, whether terrified undocumented residents or an unlimited pool of cheap foreign guest workers … The Trump administration would rather expand the abusive H-2A program than do right by the workers who are already here, feeding America for decades.”

That’s certainly not the way MAGA sells immigration enforcement. For years they have said that Americans should benefit from open jobs in the United States. But instead, their favorite administration is enabling the mass importation of exploitable workers, and blaming their own immigration enforcement actions for giving them no alternative. It’s hard to see how this aligns with the America First ideology.

 

 

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Posted
13 hours ago, Chopped said:

Hey the main justification I see given for mass immigration is economic.  Guess what I contribute way more economically  than this guy. And I didn’t bring up the comparison someone else said he contributed more than me so, that’s wrong. 

You're dumber than a box of dead crickets. You contradict your dumb ass with every post you smash in with your dick beaters.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Prospect published a super interesting article about agricultural workers and an odd, hypocritical Federal Rules change just proposed by the Administration. The administration claims there's a crisis in farm labor and wants to bring in more immigrant farm workers by cutting wages paid to legal immigrant farm workers, and allow the ag industry to deduct the cost of housing from paychecks (just like human traffickers do)

It's about using immigration to increase the profits of agribusiness.  https://prospect.org/politics/trump-labor-department-immigration-ICE-food-crisis/

the tldr 

 

Well, that will have to do until they can get the right case before the SCOTUS telling us that the 13th amendment really doesn't mean that slavery is illegal.

Actually, that's hyperbole on my part.  They're going to use the 13th Amendment as it's already written:

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Bingo-bango, easy-peasy, here's the plan: arrest all the brown people.  Charge them with immigration crimes.  Convict them en masse.  Incarcerate them in "camps" near agricultural sites.  Bus them to the farms, where they will do the exact same work they were doing before, except THIS time, they won't be getting paid.  The farm corporation will pay the government for their labor (paying way less than they were getting paid before). Winner: Trumpco, which will collect payments for the brown convict slave labor.  Winner: Ag corps, which will get the same labor as before, but at a reduce price.  Loser: dirty brown people, but who cares, they aren't human anyway.

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Posted
34 minutes ago, Captainant said:

One step further, Sergio was a whistle stop for GW Bush and catered for his fucking campaign events! The entire point of these actions is to terrorize nonwhite people and create an underclass of person that is unprotected by the law but still subject to it.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/10/07/texas-waco-chef-deported-sergio-garcia-ice-undocumented/

He was a well-known business owner who had won an international following in the years when President George W. Bush brought hordes of journalists and politicians to Waco.

Within 24 hours, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents had Garcia deported across the border into Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. He was separated from his four U.S.-born adult children and wife, Sandra.

Sandra Garcia, also undocumented, would reunite in July with her husband in Monterrey.

The detention and deportation abruptly cut short an American dream 36 years in the making. It came as a shock to customers and fellow business leaders.

The news rippled through Waco’s immigrant community and brought a sense of fear and vulnerability, said Mito Diaz-Espinoza, president of the Cen-Tex Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

“Deportations like Sergio’s — to fixtures of the community — are making people think, ‘This could be me next, or my favorite place next, or somebody who I talk to every day’,” he said.

Garcia, originally from Veracruz, Mexico, rose from selling ceviche in Styrofoam cups to earning writeups in Texas Monthly and catering events related to President Bush’s Western White House in the 2000s.

A box of thank-you notes at the family’s Waco home includes signed letters by a Baylor University athletic director, Waco Independent School District and countless customers through the years.

Shit this one really does hit close to home as my wife was really close to Sergio's family when she was younger. She even helped work the restaurant and food truck at the farmer's market when they were low on staff from time to time. Salt of the earth people that were well known in the community. Their kids are all successful and great people too.

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Also, kind of an interesting note.

In Trump's speech to "the Navy" at Norfolk this weekend, he paid some lip service to the notion that "everyone wants free immigration, it's a nice thing, but we can't have it."

So it would appear that criticism of mass deportation may be hitting home a little bit.

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16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Also, kind of an interesting note.

In Trump's speech to "the Navy" at Norfolk this weekend, he paid some lip service to the notion that "everyone wants free immigration, it's a nice thing, but we can't have it."

So it would appear that criticism of mass deportation may be hitting home a little bit.

Man, my ancestors, fleeing land evictions during the Highland Clearances and the Revocation of the Treaty of Nantes were accepted as refugees in this country and allowed to stay and fluorish. Whatever cuck communist that put that policy in place didn't want to make America Great. 

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26 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Prospect published a super interesting article about agricultural workers and an odd, hypocritical Federal Rules change just proposed by the Administration. The administration claims there's a crisis in farm labor and wants to bring in more immigrant farm workers by cutting wages paid to legal immigrant farm workers, and allow the ag industry to deduct the cost of housing from paychecks (just like human traffickers do)

It's about using immigration to increase the profits of agribusiness.  https://prospect.org/politics/trump-labor-department-immigration-ICE-food-crisis/

 

I mean, it's pretty fucked up when this is your model for a modern society.

Just add new labels, substituting billionaire oligarchs (family dynasties of legacy industries and techlords) for the lords and a police state for the knights (currently growing and undergoing an overhaul) to keep the rest of us in line.

Among the peasantry, separate the merchant class (nominally citizens with some limited rights, but still peasants...errr middle class, where most of us on this board reside). The pricks-on-high figured out a clever way to make the racist, useful idoits feel special and consequential, even as their rights dwindle, because they now have serfs (you know, "those people") gaze down upon and feel better than. This is where the propaganda comes in handy: "That foreigner is trying to take your cookie, mate!"; "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." 

Serfs and slaves are below all the rest, with very few or no rights. <= This is the reemergence of a class that technically should've been abolished in 1865, but the pricks-on-high keep trying to bring it back: sharecroppers, miners living in company towns, terrified undocumented workers out in the fields, in the kitchens, and at the construction sites.

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1 minute ago, bolverk said:

 

I mean, it's pretty fucked up when this is your model for a modern society.

Just add new labels, substituting billionaire oligarchs (family dynasties of legacy industries and techlords) for the lords and a police state for the knights (currently growing and undergoing an overhaul) to keep the rest of us in line.

Among the peasantry, separate the merchant class (nominally citizens with some limited rights, but still peasants...errr middle class, where most of us on this board reside). The pricks-on-high figured out a clever way to make the racist, useful idoits feel special and consequential, even as their rights dwindle, because they now have serfs (you know, "those people") gaze down upon and feel better than. This is where the propaganda comes in handy: "That foreigner is trying to take your cookie, mate!"; "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." 

Serfs and slaves are below all the rest, with very few or no rights. <= This is the reemergence of a class that technically should've been abolished in 1865, but the pricks-on-high keep trying to bring it back: sharecroppers, miners living in company towns, terrified undocumented workers out in the fields, in the kitchens, and at the construction sites.

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TFW modern policing started out as slave catching patrols "just enforcing the law".

And yeah, we've been operating in a semi-fuedal means for as long as housing as been out of reach for the average/median American. Lords of the land seek and extract rents from the workers who live on their land. If you don't have a home, you are criminalized as a homeless person and pushed further down the social hierarchy. So, you MUST go find a job in order to give the majority of your earnings to a landlord just so that you can avoid sliding further down.

Remember, to them, the only value that you intrinsically hold is how much money can be extracted from you. Nothing more, and absolutely nothing less than extracting wealth and funneling it to the oligarchs

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Captainant said:

TFW modern policing started out as slave catching patrols "just enforcing the law".

And yeah, we've been operating in a semi-fuedal means for as long as housing as been out of reach for the average/median American. Lords of the land seek and extract rents from the workers who live on their land. If you don't have a home, you are criminalized as a homeless person and pushed further down the social hierarchy. So, you MUST go find a job in order to give the majority of your earnings to a landlord just so that you can avoid sliding further down.

Remember, to them, the only value that you intrinsically hold is how much money can be extracted from you. Nothing more, and absolutely nothing less than extracting wealth and funneling it to the oligarchs

 

Right, and the other function of the police state (the “Law”) is to protect, but not bind, the upper-class in-groups.  

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I guess all the Texas National Guard members who can run more than 25 consecutive strides are being reserved for more important duties like chasing busboys and house painters who want to cross the border and support our economy.

 

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Poor dudes. They just wanted to serve one weekend a month half an hour from their house to pay off some debt. Maybe hold a gun a little, or put up some sandbags to help the community. Not get shipped across the country for political theater and have everyone make a meme out of their fat asses.

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19 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Poor dudes. They just wanted to serve one weekend a month half an hour from their house to pay off some debt. Maybe hold a gun a little, or put up some sandbags to help the community. Not get shipped across the country for political theater and have everyone make a meme out of their fat asses.

Abbotts been using them for political theater on the southern border for years.  So they were on notice. 

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20 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Poor dudes. They just wanted to serve one weekend a month half an hour from their house to pay off some debt. Maybe hold a gun a little, or put up some sandbags to help the community. Not get shipped across the country for political theater and have everyone make a meme out of their fat asses.

Cosplay is serious business.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

Man, my ancestors, fleeing land evictions during the Highland Clearances and the Revocation of the Treaty of Nantes were accepted as refugees in this country and allowed to stay and fluorish. Whatever cuck communist that put that policy in place didn't want to make America Great. 

Well, your ancestors were white, were they not?

Posted
2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, your ancestors were white, were they not?

This is the thing about being Jewish. As someone put it better than I can, legal immigration and humane treatment of individuals should be part of your social understanding. I have some magat family and "it makes me ragey."

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