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I guess this could be on the border between CR, help, or Daily Texan. IDK. I’ve seen similar stories flying around ever since GenZ became adults, however, this  Buzzfeed (really HuffPost) article titled:

“Women Are Refusing To Be In Relationships With Men In Record Numbers, And This Is The Brutal Truth Behind Why”

came across my newsfeed today and made me pause b/c it was Father’s Day.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mankeeping-dating-emotional-labor-research_l_682f3305e4b0ef574bf5e553

The article is all over the place and really just comes across shitting on GenZ guys. It does nothing to advance the conversation really.

But, I have young daughters that I want to eventually be in a happy relationship and the idea of women feeling like they don’t want to date men anymore is interesting to me…. And problematic  more or less regarding the whole advancing the human race and all. Is this just #MeToo wake? Has a whole generation of young men been broken? Did we just completely change the rules and left these GenZ guys out there to figure shit out? Are women just figuring out what it’s like to be in charge of their lives and the stress that puts on you? Not to sound crass but if ‘maleness’ is toxic or we raised a generation to believe that, wouldn’t it make sense that guys don’t lean on other guys for emotional support? Is this just a case of the dog catching the car when it comes to women and equality in relationships?

 

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Women Are Refusing To Be In Relationships With Men In Record Numbers, And This Is The Brutal Truth Behind Why

I'm A Gender Researcher & This Is The Real Reason Women Are Stepping Away From Dating & Relationships

Men deserve opportunities to be vulnerable. But women are not an infinite resource for managing the emotions of men.

By Alice Lassman

Jun 12, 2025, 01:10 PM 

 

More and more women are deciding that "mankeeping" is a step too far and are opting to just not get into relationships with men. 

Ava, 27, seemed unbothered by her partner’s inability to communicate his emotions. “We have enough to think about,” she told me as she slid her laptop out of her tote bag, still dressed in her tweed blazer from work. It wasn’t serious, anyway.

She’d been dating Max for a few months when it struck her — mid-conversation with a friend — that she had no idea what he felt about her or their future.

So she stopped asking.

There was a time, she said, when she would’ve tried harder. 

Sara, 21, recalled sitting on her bed while her boyfriend begged her to hear him out. He wasn’t remorseful for cheating, he just no longer wanted to sit with his shame.

“I was done,” she said. And yet, he expected her to comfort him. “I had to help him find the words for his feelings, not his actions,” — long silences, teasing through shame and self-hatred. “He didn’t know what he wanted to say,” she said. “And then I made him feel OK about it”.

These stories reflect a shift among young women in which more and more of them are “quiet-quitting” these relationships. Women are now 23% less likely to want to date than men, not because they don’t care, but because they feel they’ve invested too much emotional labor without support in return.

The Other Side Of The Masculinity Crisis? The Exhausting Emotional Intelligence Gap.

In intimate relationships, young women are taking on a disproportionate load of invisible emotional labor, often supporting men through intense feelings of failure and isolation from friends. Many men described feeling “weird or like a waste of time” when opening up to male friends, instead reserving vulnerability for their relationships with women.

While men consider this unburdening to women a “natural part” of their relationships, those same women describe it as work— what researchers at Stanford University call “mankeeping.”

Over the past two years, I’ve interviewed dozens of young men and women about their relationships. What’s emerged is a sense that women are absorbing the emotional fallout of a crisis they didn’t create. The anxieties surrounding what it means to be a man in 2025 should matter to everyone. They’re reshaping not just our politics, but the very fabric of how women and men interact — shaping how we love, how we vote, and whether we can build a future together at all. Telling the other side of the “masculinity crisis” is key to solving it.

The crisis is especially acute for younger men — with two-thirds reporting that “no one really knows them.” Christopher Pepper, co-author of Talk To Your Boys, notes that Gen Z is the first generation to rely mostly on their phones to communicate.

“There’s no responsibility for what’s on the receiving end [of online communication],” he said, with online spaces often devolving into slurs and death threats “that wouldn’t be acceptable in other situations.”

For the 60% of men who engage with masculinity influencers, friendship itself is evolving: ambition, wealth and popularity are prioritized over trust. In individualist countries like the U.K. and U.S., this shift is more pronounced — perhaps owed to the glamorization of lone-wolf masculinity, in which vulnerability is discouraged.

When ‘The Costs Of Caring’ Are Too Much

Meanwhile, young women are rejecting patriarchal expectations that previous generations internalized. Once expected to shoulder emotional labor as a normal part of relationships, they are now more aware of the “costs of caring,” including suppressing their own needs. They’re less inclined to date, with 56% saying “it’s hard to find someone who meets their expectations,” compared to 35% of men.

From “I’m Not Your Therapist” to “I’m literally Joan Baez,” Gen Z women are resisting the notion of offering up too much to men. While some women told me that men without emotional fluency are unattractive, others hesitate to expect it, fearing they’ll be labelled “controlling”.

Several women I spoke with expressed concern over how dating men affects their economic futures. The role of women as invisible drivers of men’s success isn’t new, but with young people struggling to find jobs at unprecedented rates, it’s taken a new form. From job hunting to burnout, “women tend toprovide increased emotional support to men who do not have it elsewhere.”

Men report being more comfortable talking to women about their feelings.

Mankeeping is typically tied to thinner social networks, but for Gen Z, it’s more about men’s inability to share their struggles with other men. All men I spoke with felt they couldn’t be as honest about their jobs with their male friends.

In contrast, most young women I interviewed described how stepping in during “unsettled times” negatively impacted their work and well-being. This labor has become an invisible workplace obstacle, as instant communication has erased the natural boundaries that once separated work and emotional caregiving. COVID-19 only exacerbated these dynamics, with many surprised by how quickly they “played house” during lockdown — over-focusing on their partner’s needs instead of their own. A default response learned in their teens and early 20s, it’s been challenging to unlearn.

Some have gone further: writing partner’s college essays, preparing scholarship presentations, coaching them on job interviews. In some cases, their partners actively diminished their career success. 

“When he heard where I worked, he looked at me predatorily,” one woman said. He later pressured her to refer him to her company, convincing her it would be best for their relationship. Some men seek proximity to success without realizing the toll it takes on their self-esteem. 

A Job Women Didn’t Sign Up For

Broader beliefs about gender equity are shaping how much support partners expect — and feel entitled to — from each other. Women feel as though men aren’t doing enough to support gender equality, whereas 60% of men believe they’re expected to do too much. 

The stereotype suggests that women require more support in relationships, but Gen Z’s “emotion work” — the labor required to bridge the gap between expectations and reality — is especially stark in a generation that expects so much of young men while providing them limited support. Across hundreds of hours of interviews, distinct forms of emotional labor have emerged — confirming what researchers have long observed: Women are more often expected to carry this emotional load in relationships.

Like Ava, many women are stepping back from this distinct form of work, from dating, and from committed relationships. They report that dating is harder than 10 years ago, and are twice as likely as men to cite physical and emotional risk as reasons why dating has become more challenging — 62% of single women report they’re not looking to date at all, compared to 37% of men.

Even before entering relationships, a young woman is likely to have experienced emotional and physical abuse. Among teenage girls, 80% report that sexual assault is “normal and common” in their friendship groups — before they even finish high school. About half of Gen Z women report feeling disrespected by men, compared to 18% of men; 42% of women report being pressured into sex on a date, and intimate partner abuse has now been cited as an indicator of attitudes that underpin extreme violence.

Both these realities might partially explain why young men are dating less than previous generations. Gen Z men are more than twice as likely as Boomers to report that they didn’t have a significant other as teenagers, and women are increasingly opting to date older men to avoid having to “mother” their significant other.

“If we want to interrupt this spiral, we must stop asking women to keep absorbing the damage.”

“Unless you’re really in love,” one Gen Z woman told me, “then it’s not your problem if they’re not emotionally available.” 

Millennials have a different lens: “It’s a feminism thing,” Becca, 31, told me. “But also a way of processing the outsized support we gave them” — a kind of paying it forward to another woman’s future boyfriend.

The more women are left to shoulder the burden of the masculinity crisis, the more likely they are to withdraw. But the more they do, the more boys feel rejected. Loneliness leaves boys vulnerable to voices that reframe their abandonment. One in six boys aged 6-15 have a positive impression of Andrew Tate, and across 30 countries, Gen Z men are 30% more conservative than women. No other generation has a gender divergence — social and political — at this scale. 

If we want to interrupt this spiral, we must stop asking women to keep absorbing the damage. We need to offer boys a healthier model of masculinity that speaks to their needs — but doesn’t come at girls’ expense. That means listening to why women are pulling away and creating pathways for boys to grow without leaning on women.

Cultivating meaningful, vulnerable relationships with one another is a way men can bridge the gender divide amid the masculinity crisis.

A recent survey exploring young men’s health in a digital world, 55% of the young men who watch masculinity influencers believe that women don’t care about men. My research shows that women do care. They just want relationships that don’t lean on traditional gender roles. Meanwhile, boys deserve better than a culture that mocks their confusion without showing them a path through it.

That path begins with both sides recognizing what the other is carrying — and letting go of narratives that cast boys as aggressors before they even reach adolescence. Instead, as Pepper puts it, it’s “fine to give boys and men some homework.” This homework begins with fostering self-awareness, emotional literacy and responsibility for your actions.

A Model For Modern Masculinity 

Men often lack these emotional skills precisely because they’ve rarely been expected — or permitted — to develop them. Instead, young women have been tasked with practicing and perfecting emotional labor. Traditional masculine norms like pride often keep men from extending their expressions of vulnerability beyond the comfort of romantic relationships. Many fear that admitting they’re overwhelmed will diminish their self-worth. Emotional fluency will take practice. And because expectations of manhood haven’t evolved as quickly as those for women, that practice must be met with patience. 

Our understanding of masculinity must also shift to make space for emotional connection between men. Vulnerability is often taught by women and associated with intimacy — leaving little room to express it in male friendships. But men need friendships grounded in trust, mutual honesty and shared vulnerability. 

Nearly every man I spoke to said his male friendships left him feeling worse about himself. This not only deprives men of the full range of support they need in tough times, but limits nuance in emotionally complex situations. As several male interviewees pointed out, their friends were often quick to “hate” or “blame” women after breakups. Instead of emotional language that deepens the gender divide, it can instead be used to bridge it, helping men move through hurt with reflection and toward growth. 

Finally, we need to redefine what it means for men to be a “provider.” Caring for others should be central to what masculinity can mean. We must also rethink what it means to “protect,” as many men I spoke to believed withholding their emotions was a form of care. 

Dating teaches us many things: how to take emotional risks, how to fail, how to communicate. Above all, relationships teach us how to be vulnerable. But with 29% more men than women in Gen Z currently single, a gender skills gap will only continue to widen. As more women step back from relationships, many men may never get the chance to learn.

 

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Just now, mdmost said:

My wife doesn't understand why I'm always asking if she's stuck when she goes under the bed to get something or when she's getting her clothes out of the dryer. 

 

That only works with stepmoms, stepdaughters, neighbors, or other guys' wives....or so I'm told.

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I think the most fundamental thing is that en route to age 25, women mature faster than men.

Now that women are coming closer to equality than ever before, in terms of education and employment opportunities, and our society casts the die mostly before about age 25, women have just flat beat the pants off men, period.

There's some other stuff dragging men down, too, but I suspect the above is the single biggest thing.

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That article reads like little more than the classic complaint certain women have when they set unreasonable expectations and then lose their shit when the men in their lives do not meet them.  Or perhaps just a shift from "he wont' share his feelings with me" to "I don't have time for his bullshit feelings".  Ultimately, this seems more like a siloed problem for a handful of women and not a widespread problem.   Buzzfeed/Huffpost probably should have been the first clue on that front.

Young men are certainly facing some serious hurdles these days that they didn't before, but framing that as just another problem for women to deal with is top-shelf feminonsense. 

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24 minutes ago, immamac said:

I think this is a largely overstated problem and some of you need to fucking chill out. 

Yes and no.  It is perhaps overstated in terms of absolute numbers, but it is a real problem, with real numbers.

I see a shitload of my son's peers, and man....they ain't in a good place.  I've got a lot more thoughts on this to share later.  But we are indeed failing our young men in many ways.

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26 minutes ago, immamac said:

I think this is a largely overstated problem and some of you need to fucking chill out. 

 

19 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Weak young men have pussies for fathers.

These.

Is this the beta male thread?

Teach your sons how to pursue women, good god.

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We're in the early stages of transhumanism. Best not to think about it too much.

27 minutes ago, immamac said:

I think this is a largely overstated problem and some of you need to fucking chill out. 

Agreed. 

Just go do your thing. People still like to get laid. It's just sort of diminishing in practical importance as we continue to climb the tech ladder. 

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35 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

women have just flat beat the pants off men, period.

I mean - not really. Women are still incapable of doing a lot of the work that keeps society functioning. 

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Just now, ztejas said:

We're in the early stages of transhumanism. Best not to think about it too much.

Agreed. 

Just go do your thing. People still like to get laid. It's just sort of diminishing in practical importance as we continue to climb the tech ladder. 

Idk what kind of losers you guys hang out with, maybe some of you need to quit acting like girls don't like to get fucked as much as men like to. It's fucking weird. 

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30 minutes ago, immamac said:

I think this is a largely overstated problem and some of you need to fucking chill out. 

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theory - young men do not benefit from being taught how to pursue women by their pussy dads

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29 minutes ago, immamac said:

I think this is a largely overstated problem and some of you need to fucking chill out. 

^ I suspect mostly this. Otherwise, I'm right in the middle of Gen X and at some point around 2008 when I hung around with the younger "Millennial" folk the thing that stood out to me the most was how all of their favorite music was whiny emo pussy bitchass garbage. 

No idea what that was all about but it was definitely disturbing and a whole lot of wtf. 

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2 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

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theory - young men do not benefit from being taught how to pursue women by their pussy dads

Offering a model that only assumes two extremes -- either being a wuss with no confidence, or a toxic masculinity Rogan bro who expects women to be subservient -- ain't a winning recipe.

Be confident.  Treat women with a modicum of respect, like they're human beings with actual agency.  It ain't hard....yet these days, that model is taking a back seat.  And there's lots of reasons -- among them is the fact that young men have shit for confidence in romance because they aren't finding success as much in the rest of their lives.  See college enrollment numbers, etc.

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No one needs to teach anyone anything. Y'all are all overthinking this. People like to fuck, the ones that don't generally have a reason for it and aren't incels.

Incels aren't getting turned down by women cuz they are awesome specimens. They are fucking dweeb idiots. 

 

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36 minutes ago, immamac said:

I think this is a largely overstated problem and some of you need to fucking chill out. 

In America it's certainly overstated, for now. You can look at countries like South Korea to see how it may end up, this kind of social problem is happening over there but in a very accelerated timeframe. The gender war shit over there is crazy insane and it could easily happen here.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

When the models of "teach your sons how to pursue women" are "treat women like subhuman bitches, and if they don't bow to your will, call them bitches," that ain't good.

When I talk to young women we hire, and they all relate the same story -- getting hit on at the gym, and politely turning a guy down, and he says "whatever, you're fat and ugly anyway."  Seriously, when I was hearing that story for the 4th time, it was just fucking sad.

Trust me, I got shot down plenty back in the day (gotta swing the bat if you want to hit the ball).  When I got shot down, I just moved on.  Said stuff like "alright, well enjoy your workout," or "well y'all enjoy your evening," and that's that.  Toxic fucking loserdom from this new crowd, man.

No one said anything even close to “treat women like subhuman bitches.”

Respect and court pussy. It’s survival of the fittest.

Your son is hanging out with a pack of dorks (which is probably helping him by not listening to his father).

 

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yes and no.  It is perhaps overstated in terms of absolute numbers, but it is a real problem, with real numbers.

I see a shitload of my son's peers, and man....they ain't in a good place.  I've got a lot more thoughts on this to share later.  But we are indeed failing our young men in many ways.

It is NOT just men, its both sides of the coin. Here is a tad dated article talking about the women's side.

UPenn Article on Gen Z women

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There’s a pervasive shame that straight Gen Z women feel about being attracted to men, says Fiester. “The principal issue that we’re seeing among young, straight people right now, and especially straight women, is that they hate being straight because of the apparent hopelessness of finding romantic, exclusive, and committed relationships amid 2023 hook up culture,” she says. “An example of this would be like, ‘Oh, I wish I was gay,’ or, ‘I hate that I’m attracted to men,’ or ‘It would be so much easier to be lesbians.’”

 

This concept is heteropessimism, a term coined in a 2019 essay for”The New Inquiry” by Asa Seresin, a doctoral candidate in the English department at Penn. Seresin defines heteropessimism as “performative disaffiliations with heterosexuality, usually expressed in the form of regret, embarrassment, or hopelessness about straight experience.”

 

Even though these statements are expressed as cynical jokes, there’s a performative element, Seresin says. “It’s almost taboo, from what I’ve seen both online and in my real life, to express straightforward desire for men that doesn’t have the caveat of being like, ‘Men are trash,’ or, ‘I kind of hate men.’” 

Then its the broader issues related partly to social media and other issues.

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Gen Z's loneliness woes could have something to do with weakening social connections. As BI previously reported, Gen Zers are coming up against a fringe friend crisis: They're lacking wider connections and social networks that were more easily accessible to prior generations. At the same time, community-building groups like unions and religious institutions are fading away, as are third spaces — places that aren't work or home, but instead centered on congregating and socializing.

Business Insider link on Pew Research

It's a myriad of factors across a very broad range of the Gen Z, but to be clear it isn't limited to them either.

People don't even meet new people in bars anymore, forget men picking up a woman in a bar. They don't have the social groups either. How many Gen Z folks are putting up tailgates or traveling for Longhorn games without their parents while in their 20s?  Thats just one example relevant to this board. Lots of social and psychological items related to the issue. 

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9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

When the models of "teach your sons how to pursue women" are "treat women like subhuman bitches, and if they don't bow to your will, call them bitches," that ain't good.

When I talk to young women we hire, and they all relate the same story -- getting hit on at the gym, and politely turning a guy down, and he says "whatever, you're fat and ugly anyway."  Seriously, when I was hearing that story for the 4th time, it was just fucking sad.

Trust me, I got shot down plenty back in the day (gotta swing the bat if you want to hit the ball).  When I got shot down, I just moved on.  Said stuff like "alright, well enjoy your workout," or "well y'all enjoy your evening," and that's that.  Toxic fucking loserdom from this new crowd, man.

That happens to men as well. Don't make this a purely misogynistic issue because it fucking isn't. That's a progressive mindset looking at a complex problem hoping for a simple answer. There are lots of factors involved.

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4 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

No one said anything even close to “treat women like subhuman bitches.”

Respect and court pussy. It’s survival of the fittest.

Your son is hanging out with a pack of dorks (which is probably helping him by not listening to his father).

 

Treat women like humans, approach them as humans, be kind, ask questions and listen. 

Believe in yourself and be respectful.

 

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2 minutes ago, DaggerHorns said:

No one said anything even close to “treat women like subhuman bitches.”

Respect and court pussy. It’s survival of the fittest.

Your son is hanging out with a pack of dorks (which is probably helping him by not listening to his father).

Yeah...he does fine.  His friend group is fine.  But he has peers at uni who are Andrew Tate dipshits, he online games with a diverse group that includes a pretty broad spectrum of guys.  And yeah, he had to deal first-hand with fallout from some Andrew Tate disciples acting like they were entitled to fealty by women, then getting ripshit pissed when they didn't get it (the girls at issue were his suitemates).

As for him?  He's smart, athletic, confident, and a decent human being.  And by his account, it puts him in the top tier of guys out there trying to meet girls.  He has no trouble at all.

I didn't either.  I wasn't as athletic or good looking as he is, but I was smart, funny, confident, and treated women like actual people.  Even in my day, that made a dude like me pretty successful.  I think it's more acute now.

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9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

In America it's certainly overstated, for now. You can look at countries like South Korea to see how it may end up, this kind of social problem is happening over there but in a very accelerated timeframe. The gender war shit over there is crazy insane and it could easily happen here.

https://theconversation.com/south-koreas-gender-imbalance-is-bad-news-for-men-outnumbering-women-many-face-bleak-marriage-prospects-217661

I mean you guys are high. South Korea basically told women they are undesirable to the point where they were selectively aborting female babies to have male children and also have less children. 

Now there's way more men than women and they aren't about it. There's nothing similar happening here. 

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Spend 15 minutes on Reddit and you’ll realize there are some really screwed up men and women out there among the Gen Z. Just like there’s a bunch of screwed up boomers. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

That happens to men as well. Don't make this a purely misogynistic issue because it fucking isn't. That's a progressive mindset looking at a complex problem hoping for a simple answer. There are lots of factors involved.

Oh, it's not a purely misogynistic issue, I agree.  There are LOTS of factors involved -- the changing social landscape has not been kind to anyone.  It rarely is.  Adjusting to new realities involves some discord.  Young women (again, speaking in generalities here) have their own shit to deal with.

Just now, Dbeasy said:

Spend 15 minutes on Reddit and you’ll realize there are some really screwed up men and women out there among the Gen Z. Just like there’s a bunch of screwed up boomers. 


yeah, but all those boomers are fucking.  Cialis sales are rockin'.

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26 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yes and no.  It is perhaps overstated in terms of absolute numbers, but it is a real problem, with real numbers.

I see a shitload of my son's peers, and man....they ain't in a good place.  I've got a lot more thoughts on this to share later.  But we are indeed failing our young men in many ways.

For sure they are fucking way less than we did.  Or at least I did.  You incels had your challenges no doubt.  But I’m pretty sure my son didn’t fuck until he got his first serious girlfriend at 20, and he’s been locked in with her ever since (+/- 18 mos).

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Earlier this year before a Ranger game they honored the Grand Prairie High School Class of 2025 Top Ten and there was not a single dude in the bunch. All ten were young hispanic women

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Well, I don't have children as I would have absolutely ended up raising a sociopath, but my normal sister and BIL have Gen Z twins (male and female)

The female has had 2 substantial long term relationships, both reasonable, hard working, kind, sociable and attractive young men. The current is a about 3 years older and has a very solid job at a company with great career path which I once worked for as well. She's finishing her pediatric nursing degree next year.

My nephew is on spectrum and is finishing his MSBA part time while working at a major. He and I don't discuss personal matters a lot, but I know he'd like to find someone. I also know he's extremely fiscally responsible and career driven all while being particular about who he enjoys engaging. So.. that's going to be a work in progress for a while I'm guessing.

So, broadly speaking, they're both whooping my ass in different aspects of life.

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44 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

 

 

theory - young men do not benefit from being taught how to pursue women by their pussy dads

I used to joke with my wife, as I would embrace her and kiss.  " Our boys need to know daddy loves their momma."

I was joking, as I was channeling my inner Gus McRae; but I also was not.  Boys should know their dad loves their mom.  It's important.

What goes on in other folks' house, I have no idea.  A big part of today, Father's Day no less, and my relationship with my sons, is the example I set as a husband.

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36 minutes ago, immamac said:

https://theconversation.com/south-koreas-gender-imbalance-is-bad-news-for-men-outnumbering-women-many-face-bleak-marriage-prospects-217661

I mean you guys are high. South Korea basically told women they are undesirable to the point where they were selectively aborting female babies to have male children and also have less children. 

Now there's way more men than women and they aren't about it. There's nothing similar happening here. 

I was more talking about making the "too small" gesture a hate crime, legally, shit like that but fair enough I guess.

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4 minutes ago, Kennythetiger said:

Gus never said that. 

Gus was always angling for a poke.  The kiss was planting the seed for later.

 

Keep up.

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1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

theory - young men do not benefit from being taught how to pursue women by their pussy dads

Thanks to all of the idiots who listen to Andrew Tate and Ben Shapiro and Crowder and Musk and who are too far gone on saying stupid shit on social media, or who immerse themselves in the online gamer culture (the toxic part of the culture I should say), guys like my son will clean up when he's older.

I would argue it's far easier to get laid in this atmosphere if you're a young man than it was when I was a young man because you have so many easy avenues of connecting with women (or men if that's your deal).  A smartphone and a few social media/dating apps gives you instant access to more available people in a few minutes than those of us growing up in the 80s or 90s would see in several years of bar hopping or trying to dip your pen in the company ink.

All it takes is to be clean, semi-presentable, and don't say or do stupid shit, and be willing to listen to the other person and act like you give a shit.  But plenty of young fucking morons buy into the "alpha male" shit that they are being sold on social media. I could spend 30 seconds on the FB and Instagram profiles of my younger cousins and tell you which of them will have no problem finding somebody to hook up with, even get married, and which are going to be incels for a while until they find some idiot woman who was raised by shitty parents.

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14 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

...which are going to be incels for a while until they find some idiot woman who was raised by shitty parents.

Not if I find them first according to both social media and some respectable research. Allegedly. 

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6 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Not if I find them first according to both social media and some respectable research. Allegedly. 

Look for them being stuck in the dishwasher, clothes dryer, under a sink cabinet, etc.  Allegedly.

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2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Treat women like humans, approach them as humans, be kind, ask questions and listen. 

Believe in yourself and be respectful.

 

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See… this sentence just stops. No, “and carry a giant dong in your shorts..”    That Ai is overrated. 

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This is a very interesting topic.  
 

It’s because Rock and Roll is dead.  I kid, but not really.  But, masculinity has a negative connotation added to it these days.  You can see it with every other video on FB or Instagram or TikTok talking about how they don’t drink beer and blah blah.  I fully understand that it’s not healthy to be an alcoholic, but that’s not why they are talking about it.  It feels like a way to break up the masculinity gene (if you will).  Drinking a few beers with your buds, is and always has been a “masculine” thing to do (by appearance), and it’s always been a right of passage.  &nbsp
 

(I’m sober but I smoke weed.  Blah blah.)

I’ve been real depressed over the last few years (regarding my son’s Autism), that I may never be able to sit down and talk with him after he’d had his heart broken.  Or talk to him about the right way to treat a woman, or what you should and shouldn’t do with your friends, and how and why, not to get into trouble.  And for the most part, I won’t get to do that because most likely he won’t have a girlfriend or and real friends.  I know he’s only 17 (as of Friday), but it’s real, and it’s sad.  All of the things my dad could’ve done with me, but never did.  

But, to be honest, lately I’m almost relieved that he won’t be out until 1am with friends/girlfriends and worrying me like I did my mother.  Or…. getting a girl pregnant.
 

Apologies for the ramble, but honestly I think that kids these days don’t want to deal with ANYTHING (male or female), and I believe that’s a big part of the problem, along with internet life.  It is all at of these kid’s fingertips and with not much effort.  And back in the day we had to put out effort.  We had to put out effort at the club to get that number.

They don’t care about getting the number anymore.

Rock and Roll is dead.

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Triggering @immamac was not on my bingo card when creating this thread.

Working with younger men at my new place of employment (something I am not used to as I've always worked in fields with older work forces), has given me perspective / is why I'm so intrigued by this topic.

I work with one guy who knocked up his gf, they were married, and now is fucking hustling at 24. He hates how poor he is. He's grown up quick. It's not all bad for him though. His wife is a smoke show even after popping out a kid. Benefit of being young I guess.

Then I've some other young guys who have gainful employment, seem affable, and yet are not out there trying.

Look, I was no catch. I had shit game. I was employed, could hold a conversation, and am generally fun enough to be around for at least a couple outings.

I tried. All. the. time. Did I shoot a high percentage? God no.

I was eventually the lucky recipient of the downward slope of looks and expectations that women would accept. My mid to late 20's were fun. The caliber of girls that were out of my league in high school and college had to make some tough choices, and I was one of those least shitty ones.

Maybe the swipey apps took all the fire out of the belly, but when I'm the inappropriate one in the office, we have a problem.

I'm domesticated with kids. I should be horrified about your weekends and the places you woke up. But if all my stories can one-up yours? Nah.

Back in my day, we only had essentially one model that was celebrated:  completely hairless / skinny blonde Paris Hilton style.

Now there's a rainbow of colors of hair and skin, hair down there, bare, skinny, thicc, skinny thicc, and all flavors in between. We had these I guess. I was too stupid to realize it / girls were to shamed to flaunt it. It was sad when you think about it.

At no point in human history has man had the ability to go out and lay waste to as many and all varieties of ass. 

And yet, it would seem as if we are living in a 1930's Ukraine. All the fertile soil and abundance of the harvest, yet the people working the fields are starving to death.

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