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10 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I checked out her profile. “She” amazingly plays all the hits for the administration. Bonus, “she” claims to be Canadian.

I quote “she” because 90% of posts on Twitter are now either bots or enemies of the state masquerading as “Julie”

“She” could just as easily be Marjorie Taylor Greene. That rhetoric is no different from what we hear from sitting Republicans in Congress. 

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6 hours ago, Hmbre97 said:

ditto but I grew up poor. This is all mostly rich people stuff. 

Best number I could find for Camp Mystic is over $4K per session per camper, and that was in 2011.  Barring scholarships, no poors are attending.

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Didn't see this mentioned, but some minor Houston official made some scandalous and deeply offensive remarks on a TikTok (of course) about this disaster.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/houston/article/whitmire-sade-perkins-camp-mystic-20628967.php

She made some valid points that have been acknowledged here, that if these girls were darker there would probably be less of an uproar and far fewer consequences.

In comments on her post, there was the following:

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15 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I wouldn't call it weird for what it is at its base.  It's just fun shit for kids to do during the summer.  But because it's expensive and there are limited spots available (and because people have been attending for generations, it is exclusive and because of that, it feeds into the exclusivity of fraternities and sororities later.

I’m with you on the first part.  Summer camp in itself is pretty damn cool.  It’s the part where 30-40 year olds are still clinging to those days via text groups, reunions, and alumni associations that I find strange.  It gives off an Al bundy, I scored 4 TDs in a single game for Polk High vibe.

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Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

I’m with you on the first part.  Summer camp in itself is pretty damn cool.  It’s the part where 30-40 year olds are still clinging to those days via text groups, reunions, and alumni associations that I find strange.  It gives off an Al bundy, I scored 4 TDs in a single game for Polk High vibe.

Yeah, that's fucking weird.  Doesn't happen among the people I know.  

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Apropos of nothing, I don't think you could get me off that luge/slide at Mo Ranch were I a camper there.  My summer camps didn't have anything like that, just a shitty bluegill pond.

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Didn't see this mentioned, but some minor Houston official made some scandalous and deeply offensive remarks on a TikTok (of course) about this disaster.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/houston/article/whitmire-sade-perkins-camp-mystic-20628967.php

She made some valid points that have been acknowledged here, that if these girls were darker there would probably be less of an uproar and far fewer consequences.

In comments on her post, there was the following:

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got damn.  that’s over the line even for this place. 

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Posted
44 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

I ran across the picture of the Camp Mystic cabin locations, and I have to admit that I was shocked that they'd put young kids at this location on a river subject to flash flooding.  I guess it hasn't been a problem before now, that just doesn't seem like much elevation.

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https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/05/camp-mystic-texas-hill-country-flooding-rescue/

From what I can tell from satellite photos, that really isn’t a river but a lake off a Guadalupe tributary, that most likely has a weir style dam. That would normally keep the lake from exceeding much over the dam height. Except in times of extremely flooding and/or if the downstream lake or river is also at flood stages.

if I’m wrong about my above speculation (100%) I hope someone corrects me. 

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1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

got damn.  that’s over the line even for this place. 

As has been pointed out, that was not an uncommon sentiment about Katrina, going the other way, but geezus.

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3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

From what I can tell from satellite photos, that really isn’t a river but a lake off a Guadalupe tributary, that most likely has a weir style dam. That would normally keep the lake from exceeding much over the dam height. Except in times of extremely flooding and/or if the downstream lake or river is also at flood stages.

if I’m wrong about my above speculation (100%) I hope someone corrects me. 

Don't think so - Camp Mystic Guadalupe is right on the Guadalupe, and my understanding was that picture is of the younger girl cabins from the north bank.  Happy to be corrected if I got that wrong, though.

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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

She made some valid points that have been acknowledged here, that if these girls were darker there would probably be less of an uproar and far fewer consequences.

My wife and I were privately talking about that yesterday.  There might be some truth to it.  But I recall just as much, if not more, heartbreak and outrage over the Robb Elementary shooting in Uvalde, where most of the victims were Hispanic.  And I think the fact that there were no real consequences from that school shooting had little to do with the demographic of the victims, and more because as a nation we've demonstrated time and again that we don't care enough about dead kids to seriously consider halfway reasonable gun regulations.

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29 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I wouldn't call it weird for what it is at its base.  It's just fun shit for kids to do during the summer.  But because it's expensive and there are limited spots available (and because people have been attending for generations, it is exclusive and because of that, it feeds into the exclusivity of fraternities and sororities later

Not for nothing, but 5 out of 5 of my wife's cousins (no pics) that went to Camp Mystic are/were biiiiiiig into Greek Life, and were all debutantes. Camp Mystic ain't fo po' people 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

As has been pointed out, that was not an uncommon sentiment about Katrina, going the other way, but geezus.

Say what? The amount of effort, money, attention, etc… that went into searching and helping New Orleans during Katrina is unprecedented. Even after the fact.

This is what she believes though:

Perkins added, "It's not to say that we don't want the girls to be found, whatever girls that are missing… but you best believe, especially in today's political climate, if this were a group of Hispanic girls….this would not be getting this type of coverage that they're getting. No one would give a f--k."

"They want you to have sympathy for these people. They want to get out of your bed and to come out of your home and to go find these people and to donate your money to go to find these people," Perkins said in the video.

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47 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It’s natural tendency to assume that everyone has it under control. If you’re a new-ish official for a small county, are you going to start telling 80-year old businesses that they have unsafe practices or need to evacuate their campers right this minute? I would also bet the sheriff’s office is probably sized for the permanent population and not increased for temporary visitors especially the children of well-off parents.

in a developing natural disaster, no county official (elected or law enforcement) can adequately address the needs of all residents. It’s like when a hurricane hits the coast, and law enforcement tells you that you’re pretty much on your own during the height of the storm. (I realize hurricanes are not flash floods.)

lessons will be learned from this flood and eventually forgotten.

I was thinking about how law enforcement and safety is handled in other situations where there are large groups of people gathered. Texas Football, concert venues, Texas Stars, HS football, graduations, etc. Those businesses and school districts call on (and pay OT to) state, county, local officers to be present and keep people safe. Can't swing a toothless Sooner without hitting DPD, Dallas County deputy, DPS, etc. at the RRS.

Yes, it's a different scale - bigger area, less cell coverage, longer period of time - but it's hard to believe those camps and/or county can't pay OT to sheriff, DPS, BP a few nights a year to keep watch over several thousand young campers and families that are bringing in millions (10s of millions?) to local businesses. Hell, even if it's just one patrolman per camp, at least you can have urgent communication going out to those onsite or nearby officers, they can wake counselors and coordinate evacs to high ground or to better shelter if tornadoes hit.

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I know it's still tied to class/race, but I think it's the wide social net that makes the camp tragedies even bigger news. These kids/families are typically social butterflies that are generationally engaged in a large and influential community. These deaths will personally touch a ton of people. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Say what? The amount of effort, money, attention, etc… that went into searching and helping New Orleans during Katrina is unprecedented. Even after the fact.

This is what she believes though:

Perkins added, "It's not to say that we don't want the girls to be found, whatever girls that are missing… but you best believe, especially in today's political climate, if this were a group of Hispanic girls….this would not be getting this type of coverage that they're getting. No one would give a f--k."

"They want you to have sympathy for these people. They want to get out of your bed and to come out of your home and to go find these people and to donate your money to go to find these people," Perkins said in the video.

There were a not insignificant number of people, whose current political philosophies you can now guess, that said Katrina was God's vengeance on the dirty darkies and den of iniquity that was NO.

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12 hours ago, C-Man said:


I had a discussion with my wife last night. The confusion of watch vs warning is confusing enough. Let’s use something like the DEFCON system from WarGames. 5 is no big deal. 1 is get the fuck out, we’re all gonna die. Something like that. Americans are stupid. Make it easier.

Interesting example because I'm willing to bet half of Americans who have even heard of the DEFCON system think level 5 is worse than level 1. Nothing can be made idiot-proof enough for current America. 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I know it's still tied to class/race, but I think it's the wide social net that makes the camp tragedies even bigger news. These kids/families are typically social butterflies that are generationally engaged in a large and influential community. These deaths will personally touch a ton of people. 

I think it’s mainly the aspect of kids, and the innocence of young kids away from home at a summer camp. I don’t think as many of us would be so emotional about this if the victims would have all been adults saying at some riverside RV park.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There were a not insignificant number of people, whose current political philosophies you can now guess, that said Katrina was God's vengeance on the dirty darkies and den of iniquity that was NO.

Are you imagining that or do you have specific quotes from specific people?

Posted
1 minute ago, Texas Fight said:

Are you imagining that or do you have specific quotes from specific people?

Jesus Christ, it was 20 years ago.  I'm sure he has a bevy of quotes to land on you.

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2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I think it’s mainly the aspect of kids, and the innocence of young kids away from home at a summer camp. I don’t think as many of us would be so emotional about this if the victims would have all been adults saying at some riverside RV park.

Or a bunch of migrant kids being held in a detention center near a river. 

They're white and from well off Texas families. That's why 99 percent the people in this state care. 

I still can't believe these idiot Christians keep building church camps for kids in well known flood plains. Don't these people read their own bibles? Genesis 6-9?

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9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There were a not insignificant number of people, whose current political philosophies you can now guess, that said Katrina was God's vengeance on the dirty darkies and den of iniquity that was NO.

Maybe the hate monkeys running the Republican party in this state should take note. 

Of course they're too obtuse to do so. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Hermanator said:

Or a bunch of migrant kids being held in a detention center near a river. 

They're white and from well off Texas families. That's why 99 percent the people in this state care. 

I still can't believe these idiot Christians keep building church camps for kids in well known flood plains. Don't these people read their own bibles? Genesis 6-9?

Mystic is not a church camp, despite recent descriptions.

It was founded, and its location selected, by UT football coach EJ Stewart.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I mean, it's been 20 years.  Were you alive? Paying attention?

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9600878

That piece of shit Franklin Graham for one.

He is an idiot and overly zealous religious fanatic, but that quote doesn’t even come close to targeting black or Hispanic people. Not even close. Unless you are saying only and all black and Hispanic people have orgies, indulge in recreational drugs, and are drunks.  Sounds more like people in Steiner Ranch or Circle C than citizens of New Orleans.

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Mystic is not a church camp, despite recent descriptions.

It was founded, and its location selected, by UT football coach EJ Stewart.

Dude it's a fucking christian camp, now. I don't care who the fuck founded it in 1920. From their home page today...

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Camp Mystic is a private Christian summer camp for girls. Established in 1926, Mystic is nestled among cypress, live oak, and pecan trees in the hill country of west-central Texas on the banks of the beautiful Guadalupe River. Mystic is located near the geographical center of Texas, 18 miles northwest of Kerrville. The staff at Mystic strives to provide young girls with a wholesome Christian atmosphere in which they can develop outstanding personal qualities and self-esteem.

 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Mystic is not a church camp, despite recent descriptions.

It was founded, and its location selected, by UT football coach EJ Stewart.

You sure about that, counselor?

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https://www.campmystic.com/inspiration/#:~:text=Vespers services are held every,Communion service on Chapel Hill.

 

It is seemingly non denominational, but definitely was inundating children with fairy tales of the Christian variety. Apparently has become quite the money maker as well. That means they'll rebuild it, and I'm sure right along the river too. This isn't the first time these camps get flooded and kids get killed. But yet nothing ever changes and they still keep sending them out there year after year. 

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Dude it's a fucking christian camp, now. I don't care who the fuck founded it in 1920. From their home page today...

 

If you know anything about it, you know it's really not a "church camp," no matter what it says.  Church camps are Pine Cove, Sky Ranch, Mo Ranch and so on and so forth, founded by explicitly "Christian idiots" and churches.

And the allegation I responded to was that churches build camps in flood plains.

Everyone builds camps near water, pretty much, it's kind of the essence of camps.  The idiots that found them may be Christians, but that's coincidental.

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Fuck these assholes. 

 

Found on Reddit. Very interesting read. From a 2016 assessment of Kerr county's warning system.

One nugget:

Mr. Hewitt: Sirens did not seem to get very much support.  The thought was that sirens are better for tourists than local residents.  The sirens would only be beneficial for someone that's not familiar with the area, and wouldn't know what to do.

 

Another nugget:

COMMISSIONER MOSER: The cost of that whole thing is going to be like 976 thousand dollars.  That's a lot of money.  All of it, and the reason we're here today and moving so quickly is that there is a FEMA grant that's available until as long as we apply by January the 20th.

JUDGE POLLARD:  Which is when President Obama goes out of office.

(Laughter.)

JUDGE POLLARD:  Well, the reason I mention that is because he authorized this particular thing, and it's going to --

MS. KIRBY:  It's a coincidence.

COMMISSIONER MOSER:  Going on the record with that it's a coincidence.  And so there has to be a presidential declaration of disaster to be able to have these kinds of funds available.  So it goes away just so happens to be when he leaves office.

 

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Are you serious with this?

Yeah. Here are some facts. But let’s not let those get in the way….
 

On Friday, August 26, the National Hurricane Center predicted for the first time that Katrina would become a Category 4storm, and thus exceed the design limits of the New Orleans levees.

Fema827map.gif Map of Louisiana parishes eligible for Category B assistance due to September 27 authorization

On Saturday, August 27, President Bush declared a state of emergency under the authority of the Stafford Act for the inland parishes of Louisiana.[6]

The next day, Sunday, August 28, Katrina became a Category 4 hurricane[7] and eventually evolved into a Category 5 storm the very same day, with winds blowing at about 175 mph (280 km/h).[8] New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin decided not to declare a mandatory evacuation of the city, and instead opened up the Superdome to those who couldn't leave the city.[9] 550 National Guard troops were stationed inside the Superdome to screen evacuees for weapons.[10]

At that point, it was known that the strength of the hurricane would almost certainly exceed the levees' design capacity, and therefore the possibility for major flooding was real. If the levees did fail, people throughout the city would find it very difficult to obtain food, water, and supplies in general. If authorities had wanted to preposition food, the Superdome would have been a logical place, as the population knew it was a designated central location. The Louisiana National Guard delivered enough food for 15,000 people for 3 days.

On that same day, President Bush designated six counties of Alabama [11] and eleven in Mississippi [12] as eligible for assistance.

On Monday, August 29, at 6:00 am local time, Katrina made landfall. The Louisiana National Guard had called almost 3,500 of its members to state active duty as of 7 a.m. Army Lieutenant Colonel Pete Schneider reported a successful evacuation from the city, crediting the Louisiana Guard's partners in neighboring states for carrying out "a coordinated effort" that incorporated lessons learned from past evacuations. Schneider said during an interview today with Fox News the state stood ready to house evacuees at the Superdome "for as long as it takes", reporting that although the massive structure's protective lining tore in the hurricane's Category 4 winds, the roof itself appears to be intact.[13]

Louisiana has 65 percent of its troops available for state missions; Mississippi, 60 percent; Alabama, 77 percent; and Florida, 74 percent.[14]

250px-USS_Bataan_%28LHD-5%29%3B10080504. USS Bataan performed Louisiana relief operations.

USS Bataan was positioned near New Orleans prior to Katrina making landfall, and began relief operations on August 30.

The next day, Tuesday, August 30, An estimated 7,500 National Guard troops from Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi were on duty, supporting civil authorities, distributing generators, providing medical care, and setting up shelters for displaced residents. As of 8 a.m., almost 3,800 Louisiana Army and Air Guard members were on duty to remove debris, provide security and shelter, distribute water, food and ice, and offer medical and law-enforcement support. The Louisiana Guard was coordinating with Florida, Georgia and Texas to secure two UH-60 Black Hawk and five CH-47 Chinook helicopters to support their operations. In Mississippi, more than 1,900 Guard troops were providing similar support, basing their operations at Camp Shelby. In Florida, more than 700 Florida Guard members were on active duty.[15]

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On August 31, the number of military units were on duty in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida rose to almost 8,300. Joint Task Force Katrina set up at Camp Shelby, Mississippi, as the Defense Department's focal point to support FEMA's relief efforts.[16]

Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

He is an idiot and overly zealous religious fanatic, but that quote doesn’t even come close to targeting black or Hispanic people. Not even close. Unless you are saying only and all black and Hispanic people have orgies, indulge in recreational drugs, and are drunks.  Sounds more like people in Steiner Ranch or Circle C than citizens of New Orleans.

No, it's not that specific, but the dog whistle is pretty clear.  And if you really want evidence of it you can scour the internet for it and you'll find things just as scurrilous as what Sade Perkins said in an X comment or whatever it was.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I nearly lost my left eye at Camp Olympia /CSB

I lost my virginity at a Catholic Church summer camp so this hits close to home

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I remember when I went to Stewart in the 90s that it was almost all white kids, with a small number of kids from Mexico and some other international kids. I don't remember a single black kid there. They had weekly mass but it was entirely optional. It's hard to remember since I was a kid that didn't give a shit, but I don't think there were many overtly religious themes.

Doesn't mean anything I'm just thinking out loud.

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Posted
19 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I don’t think as many of us would be so emotional about this if the victims would have all been adults saying at some riverside RV park.

You are correct. I don’t remember exact numbers, but weren’t as many or more of the current death toll from a trailer park in comparison to the campers and counselors?  No one is saying shit about them. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

No, it's not that specific, but the dog whistle is pretty clear.  And if you really want evidence of it you can scour the internet for it and you'll find things just as scurrilous as what Sade Perkins said in an X comment or whatever it was.

Well, there’s also all those black folks that got murdered (some by cops) in the wake of the storm. 

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Posted (edited)
43 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

Don't think so - Camp Mystic Guadalupe is right on the Guadalupe, and my understanding was that picture is of the younger girl cabins from the north bank.  Happy to be corrected if I got that wrong, though.

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You could be right. I assumed, and could very well be completely wrong, that the cabins in question were on the south part of the picture I highlight. That's a lake off something referred to as Cypress Creek. The Guadalupe is at the top of my photo. And I'm looking on a flat map where the elevation changes could be significant for this property.

 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

That means they'll rebuild it,

It may get rebuilt, but by the new owners after these people get sued into oblivion.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

I lost my virginity at a Catholic Church summer camp so this hits close to home

Sorry for your cornhole.  
 

 

i keeeed.  

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5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

You could be right. I assumed, and could very well be wrong, that the cabins in question were on the south part of the picture I highlight. That's a lake off something referred to as Cypress Creek. The Guadalupe is at the top of my photo.

 

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The Camp Mystic Cypress Creek camp did not flood at all. That is the camp where the kids were evacuated to during the flood. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Texas Fight said:

The Camp Mystic Cypress Creek camp did not flood at all. That is the camp where the kids were evacuated to during the flood. 

Thanks for the clarification. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It may get rebuilt, but by the new owners after these people get sued into oblivion.

The TM article pointed out that there was quite a bit of corporate structuring going on at Mystic for tax and liability purposes.   But you'd have to think the property would be at risk in any event.

Also, Lee Bass is a neighbor and had offered to purchase chunks of the land to buffer his own property.

Another nearby longstanding Hill Country camp, Arrowhead, just flat sold out because of the property value.

From a purely "business" standpoint, it will be interesting to see what happens.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

You could be right. I assumed, and could very well be wrong, that the cabins in question were on the south part of the picture I highlight. That's a lake off something referred to as Cypress Creek. The Guadalupe is at the top of my photo.

 

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Also worth pointing out that the Cypress Lake facility was constructed by the current, Christy, "Christian idiots" that own/run the camp today.

As opposed to the less Christy idiots that built out Guadalupe in the 20s.

Posted
27 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

I still can't believe these idiot Christians keep building church camps for kids in well known flood plains. Don't these people read their own bibles? Genesis 6-9?

Where did they rebuild New Orleans?

Posted
2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The TM article pointed out that there was quite a bit of corporate structuring going on at Mystic for tax and liability purposes.   But you'd have to think the property would be at risk in any event.

Yeah.  I don't want to veer too far into the macabre, but I'm curious -- would Abbott's tort reform come into play here?

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40 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Interesting example because I'm willing to bet half of Americans who have even heard of the DEFCON system think level 5 is worse than level 1.

YARN | We are at DEFCON 1. | WarGames | Video gifs by quotes | 0e4c67b0 | 紗

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7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It may get rebuilt, but by the new owners after these people get sued into oblivion.

I think lawsuits and rebuild costs (especially if the camp buildings and other improvements were underinsured) are pretty big obstacles to overcome.

And remember that they demolished Robb Elementary.  I know a mass school shooting is different.  But for similar reasons, I think there's going to be too much pain associated with that site to allow for Camp Mystic to ever return.

And on a related note, since these "rare" flood events are becoming much more common, I wonder how many parents who send their kids to Texas camps located along a river or lake will reconsider.  And for those camps who aren't located in areas as vulnerable, you can bet your ass that their leadership will be preparing detailed disaster response plans and circulate those to parents in the coming years.

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