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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Anyway here's the Kerrville cm along with all the cowards in city leadership running out of the room yesterday while a reporter yells at him that parents are demanding answers.

Call me crazy but how does answering questions affect the recovery of any of the missing?  Seems evasive.

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2 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Only thing I could find from 2016 and 2022 alumni events.  I'm not digging deeper since it won't matter.   I don't know if its necessarily a white or black or brown issue.  Its definitely a camp for those with money and connection and it does sound like the Greek system to me (yes, I was in the Greek system so not hating per se).  That said, the idea of sending my kid to a camp for 30 days sounds absolutely bonkers.   That sounds more like "give me 30 days of freedom" versus "I want you to experience camp".  I think Ozark maybe does that, too.

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Ok. Not exclusively white, but overwhelmingly white.

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Didn't see this mentioned, but some minor Houston official made some scandalous and deeply offensive remarks on a TikTok (of course) about this disaster.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/houston/article/whitmire-sade-perkins-camp-mystic-20628967.php

She made some valid points that have been acknowledged here, that if these girls were darker there would probably be less of an uproar and far fewer consequences.

In comments on her post, there was the following:

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I read somewhere yesterday that she was on a committee under the Whitmire regime in Houston on Food Insecurity.  She has been removed from that committee because of her comments.   

3 hours ago, South Austin said:

My wife and I were privately talking about that yesterday.  There might be some truth to it.  But I recall just as much, if not more, heartbreak and outrage over the Robb Elementary shooting in Uvalde, where most of the victims were Hispanic.  And I think the fact that there were no real consequences from that school shooting had little to do with the demographic of the victims, and more because as a nation we've demonstrated time and again that we don't care enough about dead kids to seriously consider halfway reasonable gun regulations.

The difference to me between the events is the gun lobby.  It keeps gun regulation at bay.  

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah.  I don't want to veer too far into the macabre, but I'm curious -- would Abbott's tort reform come into play here?

I would guess that it will when it comes to the locals and state officials.  Same as tort protected the Board of Regents and everyone after the Bonfire tragedy.

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

It's not that they're white, although it doesn't hurt. It's that they're wealthy, they're influential, and they have on speed dial everyone who matters in Austin and DC. I don't think there will even be a need for lawsuits, they'll just fastforward to Abbott convening a special session to cut each of those families a $10M check courtesy of John Q Taxpayer.

 

40 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

in other words, the parents will have sold their girls' souls for $500k each to stand down and endorse the regime

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I gotta go with Hagbard on this.  These people are affluent and their way of life is bouyed by a system that MAGA makes possible.  They will choose the money every time.  It is all they know.  It is their whole valuation system for living.  

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11 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Agreed this entire tragedy is not one side or the other.  But people are making it such. It’s not just Perkins. People on this thread/topic are doing it. Making this event (flooding) about race, white privilege, rich, Christian, conservative, etc…. as evidence, very very little judgment or shaming on those families in RVs, tents or trailer parks.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but the locals hosting visitors (owners of the camps, the RV park owners, the city, and the county) are primarily to blame. They live there. They know the history of flooding. They chose not to have a flood monitoring system. They chose not to have a warning system. They chose not to have adequate evacuation plans. On top of that, I blame the state for not adequately funding a regional system, as well as this regime for stripping resources from the NWS.

The degree to which any of the campers themselves are to blame is nada. The degree to which any of the RVers are to blame would lie in their potential choices at the ballot box that foster negligence among all layers of government.

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9 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Only thing I could find from 2016 and 2022 alumni events.  I'm not digging deeper since it won't matter.   I don't know if its necessarily a white or black or brown issue.  Its definitely a camp for those with money and connection and it does sound like the Greek system to me (yes, I was in the Greek system so not hating per se).  I probably know people in that picture.  I'm not looking.  That said, the idea of sending my kid to a camp for 30 days sounds absolutely bonkers.   That sounds more like "give me 30 days of freedom" versus "I want you to experience camp".  I think Ozark maybe does that, too.

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They're all white for the same reason HPISD is all white and the SBMISD Memorial attendance zone is all white and a few other examples.

It's first of all economically exclusive.  Second, people of color that can afford it a) probably don't value the experience and b) don't want to send their kids to an all-white camp.  There was probably a time when a person of color would have outright been denied admission to one of those camps.  That's probably no longer true, but also probably rarely or never tested.

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Just now, pyrohornIII said:

I read somewhere yesterday that she was on a committee under the Whitmire regime in Houston on Food Insecurity.  She has been removed from that committee because of her comments.   

The difference to me between the events is the gun lobby.  It keeps gun regulation at bay.  

I would guess that it will when it comes to the locals and state officials.  Same as tort protected the Board of Regents and everyone after the Bonfire tragedy.

 

I gotta go with Hagbard on this.  These people are affluent and their way of life is bouyed by a system that MAGA makes possible.  They will choose the money every time.  It is all they know.  It is their whole valuation system for living.  

They won't settle for just half a mil. Not even close, imo

Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

We found the scapegoats.

they already picked the black fire chief from the big scary city

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Did I read that this is one of those places where campers aren't allowed their cell phones? What about counselors? I'm willing to bet more than a few of these Gen Z and Alpha kids know their way around the weather app. 

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37 minutes ago, smuggs said:

We have a siren system in Lake Charles mainly to alert for plant emergencies but also tornado, flooding, etc. It pops off for testing every Monday at 12:15pm. If you hear it anytime other than Monday 12:15, it's time to get your shit together. They also just upgraded it last year to include recorded voice message capability. 

If fucking Lake Charles can do it I know Kerrville is capable. 

Abbott and Patrick will send over a few million for a river warning system and pat themselves on the back.  Only a few months after they refused such a request.

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Also, I’m getting pretty goddamn sick and tired of my heart breaking for my fellow Texans, and the uniform reaction from leadership being “it could have been worse”…as they coast to re-election.
If the leadership of our state and the population that elects them can’t seem to muster a single fuck about the well-being of the humans who live here…why do I keep wasting time caring? I can’t help myself, but knowing that every tear I shed is fucking wasted compounds the loss and rage.

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2 minutes ago, Pasken said:

Did I read that this is one of those places where campers aren't allowed their cell phones? What about counselors? I'm willing to bet more than a few of these Gen Z and Alpha kids know their way around the weather app. 

Yes, it's been mentioned that the campers themselves were not allowed any electronic devices, including phones. At the same time, someone posted an article a day or so ago that also stated every adult on site was supposedly required to have a cellphone with them at all times.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Also, I’m getting pretty goddamn sick and tired of my heart breaking for my fellow Texans, and the uniform reaction from leadership being “it could have been worse”…as they coast to re-election.
If the leadership of our state and the population that elects them can’t seem to muster a single fuck about the well-being of the humans who live here…why do I keep wasting time caring? I can’t help myself, but knowing that every tear I shed is fucking wasted compounds the loss and rage.

It blew my mind that the people of Uvalde still voted for Abbott after the shooting.  He literally lied to them about how their kids died.

I got nothing.

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Those camps are definitely like the greek system tailored to kids.  They do a great job of providing coming-of-age experiences and connectivity for the next generation of Texas bankers, businessmen, socialites, politicians, etc... And the families of means looking to move into those circles.  You can view that as cynically as you want, but the last names of campers there read like a list of surnames of those with power and influence inside the state of Texas.  Cost insures its exclusivity.  This is one reason I don't think this will all be hand waved away like Uvalde.  When people with last names like Hunt or Kroenke or Kerr have questions, they will get answers. 

I come from some privilege and went to La Junta for 4 summers in the late 70s/early 80s, and it was an absolute blast.  For me personally, it was a great growth opportunity and I got a shit ton of confidence out of the experiences.  I never parleyed it into any sort of adult status, I spent most of my 20s ripping the silver spoon from my mouth, but for those lucky/connected enough to go, they are better for the experiences they had at these camps.

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55 minutes ago, texasdago said:

I'm surprised how many posters are not familiar with summer camps.  Its not like they only occur in Texas. 

I think everyone gets the idea of summer camp but didn't experience it themselves. Meatballs was a favorite movie of mine when I was a kid. However my parents sending me to camp? Nah. I don't think they really cared what I did during the summer. Typical Gen X neglect. But knowing myself, if my parents had asked me if I wanted to go to camp, I would have said no.

EDIT: While I would guessed there were camps in Texas, I had zero awareness that many were centered around Kerrville.

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8 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

It blew my mind that the people of Uvalde still voted for Abbott after the shooting.

That part of Texas and most of South Texas is completely dependent on oilfield and law enforcement jobs. Very low percentage of people with college education

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

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23 minutes ago, wood said:

No phones needed. No registration. Just a direct, audible warning to everyone along the river. Add flashing lights for the deaf. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.

Question on this.  I get severe weather alerts on my phone.  Is that tied to my e911 registration or whatever?  Or just location data?  I have kind of assumed the latter and as long as my phone knows where it is, I am getting the relevant alerts.

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Question on this.  I get severe weather alerts on my phone.  Is that tied to my e911 registration or whatever?  Or just location data?  I have kind of assumed the latter and as long as my phone knows where it is, I am getting the relevant alerts.

I think these are blasted out from towers to everything in range, based on alerts I've received in other states

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53 minutes ago, texasdago said:

My parents sent me to a YMCA camp when I was in elementary school.  Camp Cullen.  I hated it.  Was just not for me. 

Im was a Camp Cullen camper as well. I also went to Grady Spruce, the YMCA camp on Possum Kingdom Lake.   I enjoyed both, but reading about these Hill Country camps, the YMCA is much more Camp North Star to their Camp Mohawk.  

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2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

if 20 sets of white parents call a news conference and angrily demand answers to questions like this the magats are going to scramble like roaches when the lights are turned on - their only recourse will be to eat themselves - they will have no other "other" to attack or blame for the tragedy

Twenty sets of white parents would find themselves scorned as RINOS just looking to make money off a tragedy and sacreligiously refusing to accept God's will.

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

It's not that they're white, although it doesn't hurt. It's that they're wealthy, they're influential, and they have on speed dial everyone who matters in Austin and DC. I don't think there will even be a need for lawsuits, they'll just fastforward to Abbott convening a special session to cut each of those families a $10M check courtesy of John Q Taxpayer.

No.

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


Man….you’ve learned nothing. Our leaders will blame Biden and Obama, probably saying that they HAD to divert resources that could have been used for flooding to chase dirty illegals. So really, it’s the fault of dirty brown people.
You know that’s correct. The one thing they will NEVER do is take any responsibility.

Yes.

You watch the officials flee from that PC above claiming they can't answer relevant questions because they are so heroically dedicated to finding everybody as soon as possible. Utterly despicable. 

These reprobates probably keep expecting to find a decency guardrail, but they never hit it. Only a defeatd minority of Americans care.

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11 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Those camps are definitely like the greek system tailored to kids.  They do a great job of providing coming-of-age experiences and connectivity for the next generation of Texas bankers, businessmen, socialites, politicians, etc... And the families of means looking to move into those circles.  You can view that as cynically as you want, but the last names of campers there read like a list of surnames of those with power and influence inside the state of Texas.  Cost insures its exclusivity.  This is one reason I don't think this will all be hand waved away like Uvalde.  When people with last names like Hunt or Kroenke or Kerr have questions, they will get answers. 

I come from some privilege and went to La Junta for 4 summers in the late 70s/early 80s, and it was an absolute blast.  For me personally, it was a great growth opportunity and I got a shit ton of confidence out of the experiences.  I never parleyed it into any sort of adult status, I spent most of my 20s ripping the silver spoon from my mouth, but for those lucky/connected enough to go, they are better for the experiences they had at these camps.

Yeah, I went to Longhorn.  Two other kids from HP in my cabin, two from Midland Lee, a St. Marks guy, and I was probably unaware enough of Houston to evaluate those guys.  Ran into a couple of em at UT.

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7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

The proof is in the results.

I look forward to the TV press diving into the issue of staffing at the NWS as the only avenue of accountability for government. The big picture isn't really their thing. Stupid and lazy and, now, scared.

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13 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I think everyone gets the idea of summer camp but didn't experience it themselves. Meatballs was a favorite movie of mine when I was a kid. However my parents sending me to camp? Nah. I don't think they really cared what I did during the summer. Typical Gen X neglect. But knowing myself, if my parents had asked me if I wanted to go to camp, I would have said no.

I was sent up to a Boys Scout camp up in the Davis Mountains a couple of times (Buffalo Trail Council) and band camp at Tech 2-3 times. The latter was a very different experience, staying in college dorms and whatnot, plus this one time at bandcamp between 8th & 9th grade I got my first blowjob from some Lubbock girl staying at camp under a tree on campus, which was nice.

Gotta tell you guys, there's a reason American Pie included that line. Bandcamp kids in the mid-80s were sex fiends.

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1 minute ago, Goredho said:

A 9 year old from the Hunt family died in this.  It isn't going to just be swept under the rug.

I think the broad expectation is that these families will have a price.  It will be high, but they'll have a price.

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29 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I can't speak for anyone else here, but the locals hosting visitors (owners of the camps, the RV park owners, the city, and the county) are primarily to blame. They live there. They know the history of flooding. They chose not to have a flood monitoring system. They chose not to have a warning system. They chose not to have adequate evacuation plans. On top of that, I blame the state for not adequately funding a regional system, as well as this regime for stripping resources from the NWS.

The degree to which any of the campers themselves are to blame is nada. The degree to which any of the RVers are to blame would lie in their potential choices at the ballot box that foster negligence among all layers of government.

I agree with the concept here.  Ive asked a few times on these threads how often the buildings on the camps flood?  When was the last time? Do you know?

The buildings and the owners are there 24/7/365.  This should be known to them.  If it has occured before, what have they done about it.  On the other hand, if the buildings have never flooded or water has never risen that high, I think there is a different evaluation.

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1 minute ago, bolverk said:

I was sent up to a Boys Scout camp up in the Davis Mountains a couple of times (Buffalo Trail Council) and band camp at Tech 2-3 times. The latter was a very different experience, staying in college dorms and whatnot, plus this one time at bandcamp between 7th & 8th grade I got my first blowjob from some Lubbock girl staying at camp under a tree on campus, which was nice.

Gotta tell you guys, there's a reason American Pie included that line. Bandcamp kids in the mid-80s were sex fiends.

They didn't let her stay in the dorms? Was it a nice tree at least?

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I think the broad expectation is that these families will have a price.  It will be high, but they'll have a price.

Maybe, but my experience with such families is that they generally don't have a price when it comes to their own.  The Hunt's have 25 billion dollars.  Money means very little to them.

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3 minutes ago, Goredho said:

A 9 year old from the Hunt family died in this.  It isn't going to just be swept under the rug.

Yeah I figured that might be a Hunt Hunt but wasn't sure.  The new sure didn't connect those dots, at least that I saw.

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1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

Extreme events like this are going to become more common and we must learn how to deal with them. This includes improving infrastructure to withstand more intense precipitation as well as upgrading our warning systems so people can evacuate at-risk areas safely.

Both of those cost money, which people don’t want to pay for. From the NYTimes article:

In an interview, Rob Kelly, the Kerr County judge and its most senior elected official, said the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive, and local residents are resistant to new spending.

“Taxpayers won’t pay for it,” Mr. Kelly said. Asked if people might reconsider in light of the catastrophe, he said, “I don’t know.”

Except they could have applied for a FEMA grant to cover a majority of the cost, but didn't because it would come from the Obama Admin. 

Republicans have zero care to actually govern. So when shit hits the fan there's no one to clean it up. But also no one to think ahead and plan to divert the shit from hitting the fan. 

This is what you get. These rural central Texas rednecks voted for this and wanted it. Well now you fucking got it, hombre. 

2 hours ago, Chopper said:

At some point these dipshits will hopefully understand that global warming is not only making downpours more frequent, but more intense, as well.

 

Your side piece would've understood.

 

Anyway here's the Kerrville cm along with all the cowards in city leadership running out of the room yesterday while a reporter yells at him that parents are demanding answers.

 

 

 

 

Oh you want answers? How about your god's fucking will. 

That's these rural assholes' answer whenever bad shit happens to other people. But when it happens to them? Must be someone else to blame. 

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32 minutes ago, wood said:

No phones needed. No registration. Just a direct, audible warning to everyone along the river. Add flashing lights for the deaf. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways.

Yes. I still perk up when I here to sirens being tested. You would know something is wrong and immediately take steps to find out. 

@Hagbard Celine has added much to this thread about flood planes and historic memory. Just looking where the Mystic cabins were is sickening. The land tells you that floods happen here. Nobody should be sleeping on the banks of the river. Sure, have activities there in the daytime, but everybody to high ground at night.

I'm usually not terribly affected by tragedy like this. Kids getting shot to death in class has made me sort of emotionally callous although I still care.

I can't stop imagining all those little girls loving camp and happy suddenly awakening to a torrent that sweeps them away for a horrible final few moments of life.

We really do need to ship our government officials to N. Korea so Kim can get some target practice with his anti aircraft guns.

But, we know how it goes in Trump's America.

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Just now, chainsaw said:

They didn't let her stay in the dorms? Was it a nice tree at least?

Messed up the order of the prepositional phrases. I added the detail about her staying at camp to clarify that she wasn’t some skeezy townie picking up 8th-grade bandcamp nerds.

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30 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I can't speak for anyone else here, but the locals hosting visitors (owners of the camps, the RV park owners, the city, and the county) are primarily to blame. They live there. They know the history of flooding. They chose not to have a flood monitoring system. They chose not to have a warning system. They chose not to have adequate evacuation plans. On top of that, I blame the state for not adequately funding a regional system, as well as this regime for stripping resources from the NWS.

The degree to which any of the campers themselves are to blame is nada. The degree to which any of the RVers are to blame would lie in their potential choices at the ballot box that foster negligence among all layers of government.

I am kind of astonished at the ugliness under the surface of some posts here.  This camp was indeed a place for upper-class city girls to go over the summer. I think I mentioned up-thread that I went to a church camp within a few dozen miles that was $100 dollars per week in the 1990s; today it’s all of $200.  There are scout camps dotted around that also host more middle-class and modest means kids. And of course there were lives lost in RVs and campgrounds where plenty of Texans were spending the 4th. 
 

And the fact is that for decades people have been going to those places and been safe and had fun.  The last big camp disaster was in the 1980s and happened because they tried to ford a crossing.  This truly was a completely beyond the norm event. 
 

None of this applies to the legitimate and well-founded criticism of governments and responsible parties.  The aftermath of a disaster is EXACTLY the time to hold elected officials and the agencies they run to account. 
 

But for God’s sake take a beat and ask if you’d be proud to show one of these moms or dads— whether from Camp Mystic or a RV park— what you wrote for the world to see before offering up thoughts on the families and their motivations and actions. 

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2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Maybe, but my experience with such families is that they generally don't have a price when it comes to their own.  The Hunt's have 25 billion dollars.  Money means very little to them.

I guarantee the overwhelming majority of families sending their kids to Mystic don't have Hunt money.  We're talking a lot of west Austin attorneys, etc.  They'll have a price.

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4 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Yes. I still perk up when I here to sirens being tested. You would know something is wrong and immediately take steps to find out. 

@Hagbard Celine has added much to this thread about flood planes and historic memory. Just looking where the Mystic cabins were is sickening. The land tells you that floods happen here. Nobody should be sleeping on the banks of the river. Sure, have activities there in the daytime, but everybody to high ground at night.

I'm usually not terribly affected by tragedy like this. Kids getting shot to death in class has made me sort of emotionally callous although I still care.

I can't stop imagining all those little girls loving camp and happy suddenly awakening to a torrent that sweeps them away for a horrible final few moments of life.

We really do need to ship our government officials to N. Korea so Kim can get some target practice with his anti aircraft guns.

But, we know how it goes in Trump's America.

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I am kind of astonished at the ugliness under the surface of some posts here.  This camp was indeed a place for upper-class city girls to go over the summer. I think I mentioned up-thread that I went to a church camp within a few dozen miles that was $100 dollars per week in the 1990s; today it’s all of $200.  There are scout camps dotted around that also host more middle-class and modest means kids. And of course there were lives lost in RVs and campgrounds where plenty of Texans were spending the 4th. 
 

And the fact is that for decades people have been going to those places and been safe and had fun.  The last big camp disaster was in the 1980s and happened because they tried to ford a crossing.  This truly was a completely beyond the norm event. 
 

None of this applies to the legitimate and well-founded criticism of governments and responsible parties.  The aftermath of a disaster is EXACTLY the time to hold elected officials and the agencies they run to account. 
 

But for God’s sake take a beat and ask if you’d be proud to show one of these moms or dads— whether from Camp Mystic or a RV park— what you wrote for the world to see before offering up thoughts on the families and their motivations and actions. 

Just gonna be blunt with it here. When deranged lunatics shoot up a Walmart in El Paso, a school in Uvalde, a shopping mall in Allen... Where are these assholes? What were they saying then? What were they doing? Who did the majority of them vote for after all of it? 

So you want me to feel bad now that they're the ones getting fucked over? After they shit all over other people that aren't like them getting fucked over? After they justified it and continued to support the bad actors that keep allowing that senseless stuff to happen? 

Fuck Them. 

The last decade has taken away my give a shit for people who actively facilitate this garbage we have in this state. 

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11 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I agree with the concept here.  Ive asked a few times on these threads how often the buildings on the camps flood?  When was the last time? Do you know?

The buildings and the owners are there 24/7/365.  This should be known to them.  If it has occured before, what have they done about it.  On the other hand, if the buildings have never flooded or water has never risen that high, I think there is a different evaluation.

Those are all excellent questions that I hope are eventually answered. Unfortunately, I can't offer any.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I guarantee the overwhelming majority of families sending their kids to Mystic don't have Hunt money.  We're talking a lot of west Austin attorneys, etc.  They'll have a price.

Well, obviously not everyone at Mystic has Hunt money, but there is a dead Hunt kid at Mystic and if that family wants real answers, they will get them.  Knowing some of them personally, I think they will.

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37 minutes ago, Goredho said:

hose camps are definitely like the greek system tailored to kids.  They do a great job of providing coming-of-age experiences and connectivity for the next generation of Texas bankers, businessmen, socialites, politicians, etc... And the families of means looking to move into those circles.  You can view that as cynically as you want, but the last names of campers there read like a list of surnames of those with power and influence inside the state of Texas.  Cost insures its exclusivity.  This is one reason I don't think this will all be hand waved away like Uvalde.  When people with last names like Hunt or Kroenke or Kerr have questions, they will get answers. 

I come from some privilege and went to La Junta for 4 summers in the late 70s/early 80s, and it was an absolute blast.  For me personally, it was a great growth opportunity and I got a shit ton of confidence out of the experiences.  I never parleyed it into any sort of adult status, I spent most of my 20s ripping the silver spoon from my mouth, but for those lucky/connected enough to go, they are better for the experiences they had at these camps.

Yeah look I was a craptacular student at UT. I always said that the most valuable lessons I learned in college had to do with socializing, meeting people, communication, networking, etc.  I learned those lessons in the Greek system and I'm still friends with many of those people although my political thought processes have changed over time.

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1 minute ago, Goredho said:

Well, obviously not everyone at Mystic has Hunt money, but there is a dead Hunt kid at Mystic and if that family wants real answers, they will get them.  Knowing some of them personally, I think they will.

They'll hire good attorneys and not just on a contingent fee.  There will be political pressure to change things.  These will be things that not every group of random victims can do.

The aggy bonfire victims are probably a pretty good analogy.  Not necessarily of the wealth or connectedness of these folks (a couple were though), and they beat the bushes pretty hard for money and accountability.

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16 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I agree with the concept here.  Ive asked a few times on these threads how often the buildings on the camps flood?  When was the last time? Do you know?

The buildings and the owners are there 24/7/365.  This should be known to them.  If it has occured before, what have they done about it.  On the other hand, if the buildings have never flooded or water has never risen that high, I think there is a different evaluation.

Disagree. When your business is hosting other people’s children, and you are housing them on the banks of a Texas river in flash flood alley, you don’t get to play the “no one could see it coming” card. It is a Texas river. In flash flood alley. It was only a matter of time before it happened. And it is only a matter of time before it happens again. That’s a fact.

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Posted
20 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 between 8th & 9th grade I got my first blowjob from some Lubbock girl staying at camp under a tree on campus, which was nice.

Why was there a camp under a tree on campus?

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1 minute ago, Texas Fight said:

I believe each of the Uvalde families took $2,000,000 each.  You thinking of something like that?  

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/23/us/uvalde-school-shooting-settlement

Not each, total.  ~$100k/kid.  The ability to recover from the county and municipalities is going to be legally limited, but you can bet they're going to sue everyone in site and probably on some novel theories that will generate cost-of-defense settlements.

So, it's probably not what they'd get from deep-pockets private defendants, but I imagine its going to be healthier than $100k/kid.

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

private defendants,

The camp was private right? not sure how deep those pockets are, probably not deep enough, but everything I've seen screams big fat lawsuit



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