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Pulp Fiction: Hollywood's Indie New Wave of the 1990s

Die Hard: action thriller set in a specific location (future action movies were "Die Hard on a _____")

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14 minutes ago, Parliament said:

2001 Space Odyssey: science fiction for wide appeal

2001 is not for "wide appeal". 2001 is a very weird fucking movie that takes some dedication to sit through - as brilliant and influential as it is.

Star Wars and Alien were more directly instrumental in bringing sci-fi to mainstream audiences imo. 

And - conveniently - I clicked on this thread with the intention of mentioning Alien. 

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When Harry Met Sally- Romantic Comedy

Airplane- Spoof 

I wanted to give an answer to the live action CGI genre (to the extent it is a genre), but it's too hard.  Tron, Jurassic Park, Terminator 2?

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42 minutes ago, ztejas said:

2001 is not for "wide appeal". 2001 is a very weird fucking movie that takes some dedication to sit through - as brilliant and influential as it is.

Star Wars and Alien were more directly instrumental in bringing sci-fi to mainstream audiences imo. 

And - conveniently - I clicked on this thread with the intention of mentioning Alien. 

While Star Wars obviously had a much wider audience than 2001, I doubt it would have been made without 2001 breaking ground by showing that big-budget Sci-Fi movies could be made and be profitable.  By big budget, I mean as compared to the previous low-budget sci-fi films.  Both 2001 and Star Wars had very comparable budgets, that while not considered big, were at least comparable to mainstream films of the time.

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50 minutes ago, ztejas said:

2001 is not for "wide appeal". 2001 is a very weird fucking movie that takes some dedication to sit through - as brilliant and influential as it is.

He's not talking about today. When it was released it was 1000% true.

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2001 was the 2nd highest grossing movie of 1968, the year it was released. That's pretty wide appeal. Alien and Star Wars aren't greenlit without 2001. 

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8 minutes ago, mdmost said:

2001 was the 2nd highest grossing movie of 1968, the year it was released. That's pretty wide appeal. Alien and Star Wars aren't greenlit without 2001. 

That's only because all of the revenue from subsequent releases of the movie is included.  However, 2001 did break even with its initial release and did become profitable within a couple of years.

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

He's not talking about today. When it was released it was 1000% true.

Both Lucas and Spielberg were very influenced by it

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There is going to be recency bias on this but I will go for 

Psycho - psycho thriller

Public Enemy - Gangster

Texas Chainsaw Massacre - Horror/Gore Slasher

Halloween is a weird one - serial killer slasher? but is it same genre as Psycho?  maybe it is Indie Slasher genre defining?

 

 

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2 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

When Harry Met Sally- Romantic Comedy

Airplane- Spoof 

I wanted to give an answer to the live action CGI genre (to the extent it is a genre), but it's too hard.  Tron, Jurassic Park, Terminator 2?

yeah, Jurassic Park is really about the technical aspects.  It was a huge leap that shocked audiences but I'm not sure it is a genre.

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20 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

There is going to be recency bias on this but I will go for 

Psycho - psycho thriller

Public Enemy - Gangster

Texas Chainsaw Massacre - Horror/Gore Slasher

Halloween is a weird one - serial killer slasher? but is it same genre as Psycho?  maybe it is Indie Slasher genre defining?

 

 

but nobody watched public enemy.

 

 

lion king is for high concept animation, imo.

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The first Superman movie is still the gold standard, and it was the first one out of the box. Not sure it's "genre-defining" but that's pretty crazy for a movie made in 1978 about a guy who can fly.

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Monty Python and The Holy Grail - not sure which genre as there was nothing quite like it.  I suspect spoof/parody.  

It beat Airplane for a spoof movie by five years, but Blazing Saddles was released a year prior.

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While Pulp Fiction is itself intentionally derivative, I feel like there were a ton of copy cat zany, ultra violent, ensemble cast movies that came out right after and have been going ever since....  Most starring Christopher Walken

- Things to Do in Denver When Your Dead, 2 Days in the Valley, Suicide Kings, Smoking Aces, all of Guy Ritchie's british gangster movies.  Even movies like Go and The Way of the Gun.

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Bringing up Baby - screwball comedy

The Wild Bunch - would probably fall into a modern western category as genre defining.  there is definitely a Before Wild Bunch/After Wild Bunch as it relates to actual screen violence in a Western.

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1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

There is going to be recency bias on this but I will go for 

Psycho - psycho thriller (qu'est-ce que c'est?)

Public Enemy - Gangster

Texas Chainsaw Massacre - Horror/Gore Slasher

Halloween is a weird one - serial killer slasher? but is it same genre as Psycho?  maybe it is Indie Slasher genre defining?

 

 

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1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

There is going to be recency bias on this but I will go for 

Psycho - psycho thriller

Public Enemy - Gangster

Texas Chainsaw Massacre - Horror/Gore Slasher

Halloween is a weird one - serial killer slasher? but is it same genre as Psycho?  maybe it is Indie Slasher genre defining?

 

 

There is almost zero gore in TCM. 

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14 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Monty Python and The Holy Grail - not sure which genre as there was nothing quite like it.  I suspect spoof/parody.  

It beat Airplane for a spoof movie by five years, but Blazing Saddles was released a year prior.

It's not worth splitting hairs too much, but I consider The Holy Grail to be a parody, and Blazing Saddles satire.  Movies like Airplane, Naked Gun, and Scary Movie, and Top Secret are very distinct (know it when you see it) spoofs of entire genres of movies (disaster, police, horror, and spy respectively).

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1 hour ago, TexasHooch said:

It's not worth splitting hairs too much, but I consider The Holy Grail to be a parody, and Blazing Saddles satire.  Movies like Airplane, Naked Gun, and Scary Movie, and Top Secret are very distinct (know it when you see it) spoofs of entire genres of movies (disaster, police, horror, and spy respectively).

speaking of disaster movie genre - Airport 1970(although Poseidon Adventure to me is overall better)

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Serious movies

  • Rocky - 70's underdog, come from the gutter to glory sports movies for which there are dozens now
  • Schindlers List - 90's harrowing doc on the camps, etc.  Nothing like it before or after on that scale.
  • Saving Private Ryan - late 90's film with brutal reality.  Spawning BoB and the Pacific and the Flags of our Fathers movies.  

Pixar

  • Toy Story kind of started it all

Marvel/Superhero

  • Blade - the first bad ass production movie that was a box office success.  Blade was the OG, spawning a whole host of subsequent Marvel movies that made gazillions
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Did the fighting and filming style of Jason Bourne change the action movie genre. John Wick sure did.

The SW prequels changed the sci-fi genre by making green screen ubiquitous.  And not in a good way.

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3 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Did the fighting and filming style of Jason Bourne change the action movie genre. John Wick sure did.

The SW prequels changed the sci-fi genre by making green screen ubiquitous.  And not in a good way.

That's WAY down the waterfall.  The Hong Kong action movies decades earlier set this is motion.  Specifically all the John Woo movies.  Remember the phrase "Gun Fu"?  Or gun play married with Kung Fu.  That's a direct line down to Wick.

This leads to one I can't believe I forgot.  Enter the Muther Frickin Dragon.  Bruce Lee.  THE martial arts movie.  Still holds up today.  

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3 minutes ago, Deej said:

Not a documentary

Obviously, but it was based on a real person that illustrated the horrendous conditions with modern cinema and a big budget to back it.  

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9 hours ago, mdmost said:

Pulp Fiction: Hollywood's Indie New Wave of the 1990s

Die Hard: action thriller set in a specific location (future action movies were "Die Hard on a _____")

 

What made Die Hard distinct was that Willis' character wasn't a superhero. He wasn't a ninja, not special forces, not some guy with secret training or special abilities. He was a cop, alone, shoeless and hurt, and somehow survived and kept his wits about him. 

THAT'S the formula Die Hard started.

 

5 hours ago, Red Five said:

The first Superman movie is still the gold standard, and it was the first one out of the box. Not sure it's "genre-defining" but that's pretty crazy for a movie made in 1978 about a guy who can fly.

 

Yep. The first GOOD superhero movie.

 

2 hours ago, Bushwood said:

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? - A live action movie with animated characters.

Mary Poppins beat it by a quarter century. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah . . .

that too, but we don't talk about that film any more

 

 

clerks GIF

How about Clerks? Basically launched the 90s indie film craze.

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9 hours ago, mdmost said:

Pulp Fiction: Hollywood's Indie New Wave of the 1990s

Die Hard: action thriller set in a specific location (future action movies were "Die Hard on a _____")

was gonna say Pulp Fiction, but not describe the genre as well as you did.

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Blade Runner - Dark take adult sci-fi on AI and humanity (I think this is part B to 2001 Space Odyssey)

Road Warrior - post-apocalyptic and car chase altering 

Big Lewbowski - Comedy changing who and what we find amusing (Raising Arizona needs a nod here as the prequel)

No Country for Old Men - Altering the western genre into modern day action/drama

Usual Suspect - action/thriller/mystery

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