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The continued existance of the filibuster continues the eroding of our legislative branch. It needs to go like Poland needed to dump the Liberum Veto. I am baffled why these old Senators think it does anything but completely paralyze a vital branch of our government.

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4 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

No. 

It's a pinky promise to hold a vote.  Without a commitment from Thune to guarantee it's part in a future mini or omnibus and to try and jam the House in a must pass bill, it's meaningless. 

Yeah that is what it seems like but...I will wait and see.  

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

They won big on Tuesday and kept the issue in play for next November.

From a purely political standpoint, they didn't get nothing.

ACA funding/subsidies will never be more front and center than it's been over the last several weeks. Nobody will remember this in January, much less November. They're gone. Billionaire tax breaks will never go away tho.

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1 minute ago, Valmy77 said:

The continued existance of the filibuster continues the eroding of our legislative branch. It needs to go like Poland needed to dump the Liberum Veto. I am baffled why these old Senators think it does anything but completely paralyze a vital branch of our government.

It means legislation needs 60 votes to get to the floor. Both parties love that power when they are in the minority. 

 

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

They won big on Tuesday and kept the issue in play for next November.

From a purely political standpoint, they didn't get nothing.

 

4 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

The continued existance of the filibuster continues the eroding of our legislative branch. It needs to go like Poland needed to dump the Liberum Veto. I am baffled why these old Senators think it does anything but completely paralyze a vital branch of our government.

It's purpose was obviously to encourage grown ups to come to the table and negotiate a solution that gives the minority party something if the majority party doesn't have a supermajority. Adulthood left the building long ago and had its corpse burned to nonexistence around 2016.

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It means legislation needs 60 votes to get to the floor. Both parties love that power when they are in the minority. 

 

Right. So nothing ever gets done. Even when the minority party likes the legislation because it would give the majority party a win and hurt them politically.

The filibuster is turning us into an executive autocracy with elections every four years. The legislature cannot do needed things so power and responsibility just accumulates with the President. The Constitution needs the filibuster gone.

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7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Both parties love that power when they are in the minority. 

They love it more when they are in the majority

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The pain has to become intolerable in order to take out MAGA, root and stem. We were on our way during the shutdown, with Trump and the GOP getting most of the blame. 

Now it's just back to business as usual in DC again. Nothing sticks when we are flooded with daily corruption and disinformation. Non-Dem electorate can comfortably return to their regularly scheduled programming.

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13 minutes ago, retread said:

ACA funding/subsidies will never be more front and center than it's been over the last several weeks. Nobody will remember this in January, much less November. They're gone. Billionaire tax breaks will never go away tho.

retread gets it.

If it is at all helpful to the people, the massive propaganda machines of Fox News, X, Newsmax, and Facebook will ensure that it is squashed, ground to dust, and forgotten within hours.  If it benefits billionaires, it will be granted a permanence and unassailability on par with the great fucking pyramids.  Laws benefiting billionaires at the expense of the people and the Republic may outlast humanity as a species.  Because the GQP propaganda machine will make it so.

This sort of situation ends ONLY when the greedy take it so far that the literal guillotines come out. Not metaphoric, literal.  And not a moment before.  So, now we just wait until our society hits that breaking point.  It will take a long time, because we have an entire information apparatus devoted to convincing the people that thing is NOT A giant spiked dildo being rammed into their ass, and even if it is, it's Biden's dildo.  The level of pain it will take to overcome those lies is off-the-fucking-charts high.

It's coming.  Not tomorrow, but it's coming.  Hooray.  Our society will eventually be so broken that an ocean of blood will be spilled.  What a great outcome!  But until then, we get the bonus of continued degradation and suffering!

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My problem with the filibuster is it's all upside for the Republicans, all downside for the Democrats.   

1. It functionally protects the American electorate from their terrible decision making.  Elect a bunch of neo-fascists?  Don't worry, the democrats will keep them from re-establishing segregation. Fuck that.  Elections should have consequences in this country.   And don't whinge to me about protecting the vulnerable.  The Supreme Court has been hammering them with a lexington steele dildo for years.

2. The main exception to it allows for the cutting of taxes. Which benefits the Republicans.  Think about it.  Whenever they grabe the President, House, Senate trifecta, we all get a giant tax cut. Sure, I guess Biden passed an infrastructure bill, but it took so long, was so incompetent in it's PR, that his administration failed to implement the fucking thing and the progressive priorities in it have been repealed or suspended.  But elect Republicans to Congress, and you will always get your taxes cut. 

Nothing in our government works because we are drifting in the fumes of the Great Society.  Imagine if Congress could actually fucking fix shit instead of just cut taxes and nothing else?  Might change the perception of Democrats as pathetic limp dicks?

3.  It's and accident of history.  Aaron Burr didn't understand Robert's Rules and eliminated the motion to move the previous question.  The VP who eventually attempted to start another fucking country and killed Alexander Hamilton.  

Everything about that piece of shit anachronism is bad. 

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1 hour ago, pacman said:

Not for nothing, the Democrats got full funding for Agriculture guaranteed adding it to the Defense and VA funding measures from the House. This at least guarantees SNAP/WIC funding for the year regardless of what happens on February 1. Republicans will, in theory, not be able to starve children and the disabled to force Democrats to negotiate on the next stopgap solution February 1.

 

I would love for Democrats to constantly remind everyone the Republicans could have passed an actual budget with full year funding for 2026 by now, since they have control of both branches and the Presidency.


They got guaranteed SNAP benefits that go to mostly MAGA voters that will never vote for them, blame them for the delay in benefits,  praise Trump for saving them, and don’t pay enough attention to realize that Dems were the reason they get to eat.

 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

That vote is never going to happen.

I think it will, for two reasons:

1) a number of R senators need to vote for it to save their hides

2) Thune is shook

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Amendment accepted.  And for the record, my membership in the pro-vagina club is of the lifetime variety.

Big pro-vagina guy here 

41 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Says the guy that quit the party.  Fuck all the way off with your bullshit.

Leaving the party was the cost of my vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. And yet, I’m still advising candidates for office, offering perspective when asked, donating money, and generally being helpful, because that’s what allies do. What are you doing?

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Killing the filibuster would remove any remaining guardrails reining in the majority party. Neither party should be able pass everything they want without challenge. I'm shocked anyone thinks it's a good idea when the Senate is close to 50/50, voted by the people, that the entire Country is subjected to all the worst impulses of the majority party. "Nothing ever gets done" is a hell of a lot better than the party in control getting everything it wants done. 

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When Maggie Hassan was asked what the consequences would be if the republicans renege on the promise to hold the ACA vote, and her answer was, "shame on them," that's how you know the party cannot be fixed.

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2 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Killing the filibuster would remove any remaining guardrails reining in the majority party. Neither party should be able pass everything they want without challenge. I'm shocked anyone thinks it's a good idea when the Senate is close to 50/50, voted by the people, that the entire Country is subjected to all the worst impulses of the majority party. "Nothing ever gets done" is a hell of a lot better than the party in control getting everything it wants done. 

I don’t like the filibuster in its current form, but I would be very much in favor of returning to the talking filibuster.

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

When Maggie Hassan was asked what the consequences would be if the republicans renege on the promise to hold the ACA vote, and her answer was, "shame on them," that's how you know the party cannot be fixed.

They want them to renege. That's part of the strategery.

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5 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Killing the filibuster would remove any remaining guardrails reining in the majority party. Neither party should be able pass everything they want without challenge. I'm shocked anyone thinks it's a good idea when the Senate is close to 50/50, voted by the people, that the entire Country is subjected to all the worst impulses of the majority party. "Nothing ever gets done" is a hell of a lot better than the party in control getting everything it wants done. 

That's called democracy. People should expect to get what they vote for. 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t like the filibuster in its current form, but I would be very much in favor of returning to the talking filibuster.

The talking filibuster is in some ways worse.  It doesn't end the filibuster, it just means the senate literally can not do anything at all. RN, the minority objects to moving the previous question, and everyone agrees to set the issue aside and do something else.  With a talking filibuster, you literally can not move on.  It's not Jimmie Stewart talking for 30 hours, its that the senate stays stuck on one piece of business and until everyone agrees, no other issue can be brought up.  Think about a committee meeting where you can't move on to the first order of business until you've approved the minutes.  It's like that. 

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Just now, Bateshorn said:

The talking filibuster is in some ways worse.  It doesn't end the filibuster, it just means the senate literally can not do anything at all. RN, the minority objects to moving the previous question, and everyone agrees to set the issue aside and do something else.  With a talking filibuster, you literally can not move on.  It's not Jimmie Stewart talking for 30 hours, its that the senate stays stuck on one piece of business and until everyone agrees, no other issue can be brought up.  Think about a committee meeting where you can't move on to the first order of business until you've approved the minutes.  It's like that. 

How about the hemlock filibuster?  That's my proposal that no senator can take office until they drink a fatal dose of hemlock.

I think my proposal will do more to help this country than a single fucking thing that has happened in the last 10 years.  We should look into it.

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There has always been a dark, pessimistic view of most Democrats as being just as crooked as Republicans, and on the take from the wealthy just like Republicans, but they just hide it behind a bunch of ineffective, bumbling actions. On purpose. I’m starting to believe this.  

 

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15 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Killing the filibuster would remove any remaining guardrails reining in the majority party. Neither party should be able pass everything they want without challenge. I'm shocked anyone thinks it's a good idea when the Senate is close to 50/50, voted by the people, that the entire Country is subjected to all the worst impulses of the majority party. "Nothing ever gets done" is a hell of a lot better than the party in control getting everything it wants done. 

Well except lately, Congress has just decided to let presidents do whatever the fuck they want through executive orders and comical interpretations of presidential powers. So the worst impulses of the majority party are implemented anyway. Our government today is mainly whatever Trump wants to do. Some of it might tied up in the courts until the appeals make it to a GQP judge he appointed, when he usually gets his way.

The system is broken, and Congress being a bunch of ineffectual pussies who care more about their job security than their duty to country is a major reason why. While I can see arguments for and against the filibuster in a sane world, at this point, who fucking cares, because Congress doesn't. 

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2 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Well except lately, Congress has just decided to let presidents do whatever the fuck they want through executive orders and comical interpretations of presidential powers. So the worst impulses of the majority party are implemented anyway. Our government today is mainly whatever Trump wants to do. Some of it might tied up in the courts until the appeals make it to a GQP judge he appointed, when he usually gets his way.

The system is broken, and Congress being a bunch of ineffectual pussies who care more about their job security than their duty to country is a major reason why. While I can see arguments for and against the filibuster in a sane world, at this point, who fucking cares, because Congress doesn't. 

This is the best reason for getting ride of it.  It removes the "But, But... the other guys" arrow from your local lump of shit congress critter's quiver.  It's a lot easier to say "Bullshit, we control the Senate, GTFO here with your "if only they didn't stop us" titty baby rhetoric."

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4 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Well except lately, Congress has just decided to let presidents do whatever the fuck they want through executive orders and comical interpretations of presidential powers. So the worst impulses of the majority party are implemented anyway. Our government today is mainly whatever Trump wants to do. Some of it might tied up in the courts until the appeals make it to a GQP judge he appointed, when he usually gets his way.

The system is broken, and Congress being a bunch of ineffectual pussies who care more about their job security than their duty to country is a major reason why. While I can see arguments for and against the filibuster in a sane world, at this point, who fucking cares, because Congress doesn't. 

It's not as bad as you say.

It's so, so, SO much worse.

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13 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

The talking filibuster is in some ways worse.  It doesn't end the filibuster, it just means the senate literally can not do anything at all. RN, the minority objects to moving the previous question, and everyone agrees to set the issue aside and do something else.  With a talking filibuster, you literally can not move on.  It's not Jimmie Stewart talking for 30 hours, its that the senate stays stuck on one piece of business and until everyone agrees, no other issue can be brought up.  Think about a committee meeting where you can't move on to the first order of business until you've approved the minutes.  It's like that. 

Yes. That’s the filibuster I want them to return to. Maximum pain. Maximum risk. Maximum reward.

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7 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

There has always been a dark, pessimistic view of most Democrats as being just as crooked as Republicans, and on the take from the wealthy just like Republicans, but they just hide it behind a bunch of ineffective, bumbling actions. On purpose. I’m starting to believe this.  

 

It is very possible that once flights started getting disrupted that the money people called in their favors.

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3 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

This is the best reason for getting ride of it.  It removes the "But, But... the other guys" arrow from your local lump of shit congress critter's quiver.  It's a lot easier to say "Bullshit, we control the Senate, GTFO here with your "if only they didn't stop us" titty baby rhetoric."

You are bringing up bad memories of the last time the Democrats had a filibuster proof majority. They just designated villains from their own party to undermine their own legislation. There may not be any way out of this in our current system of corruption.

Well I am going back to resigned depression. We had almost a week of cautious optimism to the point I was worried people might start to become complacent. Well...no chance of that now.

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Given the inability of the Democratic Party to act as anything other controlled opposition to the the thriving billionaire and corporate oligarchy, the easiest path to Medicare for All is for progressives may be to promise Trump a spot on Mount Rushmore if he cuts big insurance out of healthcare in America. He can pardon Luigi, credibly claim he is saving the country $150-500 billion annually, and cut off a huge donor pipeline that props up Democratic Party politicians who oppose single payer healthcare. 

Shit-libs are soulless slaves to their masters who are actively enshitifying this country. With friends like them, who needs enemies. 
 

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13 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

There has always been a dark, pessimistic view of most Democrats as being just as crooked as Republicans, and on the take from the wealthy just like Republicans, but they just hide it behind a bunch of ineffective, bumbling actions. On purpose. I’m starting to believe this.  

 

They're less organized and more bumbling than you could possibly imagine. The result of all that bumbling though is that their behavior is for all practical purposes indistinguishable from what it would be if they were secretly colluding with the GOP.  

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2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Given the inability of the Democratic Party to act as anything other controlled opposition to the the thriving billionaire and corporate oligarchy, the easiest path to Medicare for All is for progressives may be to promise Trump a spot on Mount Rushmore if he cuts big insurance out of healthcare in America. He can pardon Luigi, credibly claim he is saving the country $150-500 billion annually, and cut off a huge donor pipeline that props up Democratic Party politicians who oppose single payer healthcare. 

Shit-libs are soulless slaves to their masters who are actively enshitifying this country. With friends like them, who needs enemies. 
 

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8 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

It is very possible that once flights started getting disrupted that the money people called in their favors.

It was the only way it was ever going to be resolved and I think most people said that back in October (e.g. "just wait until holiday travel starts to get snarled).

What seems to be an ugly truth as I've had more conversations than I thought I would with folks during this shut down, is for the middle class and above, there isn't a lot in the short term by way of pain for the government shutting down. To them the government provides military protection and some basic legal protection and infrastructure. 

The only short term way middle/upper middle were gonna feel the pain was ATC/TSA/Air travel. Same as it always is.

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1 hour ago, retread said:

ACA funding/subsidies will never be more front and center than it's been over the last several weeks. Nobody will remember this in January, much less November. They're gone. Billionaire tax breaks will never go away tho.

If the ACA subsidies go away and people's premiums triple or something, there will be outrage and they'll solely blame the R's and rightfully so.  The Dems should have never been delaying this vote.  Give the R's enough rope to hang themselves.

 

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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If the ACA subsidies go away and people's premiums triple or something, there will be outrage and they'll solely blame the R's and rightfully so.

Oh, you sweet summer child...

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Just now, TexArcher said:

Oh, you sweet summer child...

Fair point.  60 Minutes last night had farmers who were getting fucked and they weren't blaming Trump and still thought he'd fix everything.  

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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

You should google that name.  Or maybe not.....

Definitely not on a work computer.  Maybe also have Safe Search on if you are in public. 

Or don't, if you are a freak. 

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1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

Definitely not on a work computer.  Maybe also have Safe Search on if you are in public. 

Or don't, if you are a freak. 

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As a fellow Gen X'er, you and I must have been fans of certain "content creators" where Mr Steel was a regular "guest."

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Just now, Blotto said:

Well except lately, Congress has just decided to let presidents do whatever the fuck they want through executive orders and comical interpretations of presidential powers and the worst impulses of the majority party are implemented anyway. Our government today is mainly whatever Trump wants to do. Some of it might tied up in the courts until the appeals make it to a GQP judge he appointed, when he usually gets his way.

The system is broken, and Congress being a bunch of ineffectual pussies who care more about their job security than their duty to country is a major reason why. While I can see arguments for and against the filibuster in a sane world, at this point, who fucking cares, because Congress doesn't. 


This. Outside of any real reform of Congress, reforming the filibuster is kind of a nothing burger.

The whole idea of the Senate is really antiquated IMO. Once they went to popularly elected senators it just became House -1.0 that favors smaller states vs. a true upper chamber with equal representation for each state. 
Maybe if we went back to the old version people would give a shit more on state races?

Ahhh who am I kidding. People want to be ruled by kleptocrats and authoritarians because they’d rather goon themselves into oblivion, watch the real housewives, or distract themselves with sports than pay attention or take any responsibility. This way they can bitch and have the smug sense of be right about the system being rigged. It’s more troubling to know that things are shitty because your decisions made it shitty because of you you voted for.

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56 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Fair point.  60 Minutes last night had farmers who were getting fucked and they weren't blaming Trump and still thought he'd fix everything.  

Exactly.  Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.  If science can't convince these people that the earth is more than 6,000 years old and we didn't get all this genetic diversity from 1 man and 1 woman, and their 3 sons, a-fucking-hem, then good luck convincing them that the intellectual elitist libtards actually cared more about them than Jesse Watters and Mike Johnson.  Nothing will be the GOP's fault, ever.

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3 hours ago, G650 said:

QFT.

 

I am pretty sure at this point that Dems will never realize the details don't fucking matter.

Details matter for governing.  Not for messaging.

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Here's all you need to know. The people who are most pissed off at the Democrats right now are Democratic voters. They are extremely online and well-informed.

They know you're pissed, but what are you gonna do about it, vote for a Republican? A third party candidate and throw away your vote?

Nah. You know how this country works. You're gonna vote for Democrats.

Because you're trapped in a duopoly.

Murica.

 

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14 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Surely Republicans were just ready to pounce, right? About that…

 

Joe Biden didn't START descheduling marijuana until 2024. 

 

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