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1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

Bam! Got another one...Pacific side this time

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c891gzx7xn4o

 

Today they hit #10 in the Caribbean. 

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military has conducted its 10th strike on a suspected drug-running boat, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said on Friday, blaming the Tren de Aragua gang for operating the vessel and leaving six people dead in the Caribbean.

In a social media post, Hegseth said the strike occurred overnight, and it marks the second time the Trump administration has tied one of its operations to the gang, which originated in a Venezuelan prison.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-cartels-hegseth-drugs-boat-strikes-6c3316b2852723e26c39dc701bba9d52

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Ummmm. 

Pentagon Orders Aircraft Carrier to the Caribbean

WASHINGTON—The Pentagon said it is sending the Navy’s most advanced aircraft carrier to the Caribbean in a major escalation of the Trump administration’s military campaign to target drug smugglers and threaten governments in Latin America.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered the USS Gerald R. Ford carrier, which is currently deployed in the Mediterranean, to the Caribbean, bringing dozens more fighter and surveillance aircraft, along with other Navy warships that accompany a carrier, officials said.

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/pentagon-orders-aircraft-carrier-to-the-caribbean-545e3893

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34 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Ummmm. 

Pentagon Orders Aircraft Carrier to the Caribbean

WASHINGTON—The Pentagon said it is sending the Navy’s most advanced aircraft carrier to the Caribbean in a major escalation of the Trump administration’s military campaign to target drug smugglers and threaten governments in Latin America.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered the USS Gerald R. Ford carrier, which is currently deployed in the Mediterranean, to the Caribbean, bringing dozens more fighter and surveillance aircraft, along with other Navy warships that accompany a carrier, officials said.

https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/pentagon-orders-aircraft-carrier-to-the-caribbean-545e3893

What a colossal misuse of time, money, and assets.  But if he's going to declare a war emergency so he can cancel elections and stay in power, then he needs his war first.

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Just now, Chad Fuck said:

What a colossal misuse of time, money, and assets.  But if he's going to declare a war emergency so he can cancel elections and stay in power, then he needs his war first.

It will be a nasty as war. Even if you take out Maduro and the core of the military, now you get guerillas. 

That is why I think our goal is going to be simple. Remove the government, take Maracaibo. 

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5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Chilling:

We’re going to kill them. They’re going to be, like, dead,” Trump said.

Wait till he says that about Americans who disagree with him.  You probably won't have to take long.

Fortunately, he doesn't have anything to worry about, as he has complete "presidential immunity."  Declare everyone who opposes the MAGA agenda to be a terrorist, then "perform the duties of the office of President" by killing all of those people, and he won't even have to break a sweat.

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Just now, Hookah Horns said:

SCOTUS dealt a fatal blow to the country with that fucktarded immunity ruling. I'm still stunned even the right wing nutcases on there went that far. 

Don't worry.  On the WAY off-chance that there's ever a Dem president again, they'll dial it WAY back....tied to the specific facts of that presidency or somesuch.

But yeah, as long as the POTUS is GQP, they intend for him to have greater powers than any king.  Seriously, check out the fucking Magna Carta, the goddamned English king had more restraints on his power than Trump does.

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9 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

SCOTUS dealt a fatal blow to the country with that fucktarded immunity ruling. I'm still stunned even the right wing nutcases on there went that far. 

I liked how Biden was president when that happened, and basically everyone immediately went straight to "Oh fuck, Trump!". Not one person actually worried that Biden would use that to his advantage. I don't think anyone even bothered pretending to.

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1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

It will be a nasty as war. Even if you take out Maduro and the core of the military, now you get guerillas. 

That is why I think our goal is going to be simple. Remove the government, take Maracaibo. 

...and all the oil.

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...and the weeemin!
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54 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait till he says that about Americans who disagree with him.  You probably won't have to take long.

Fortunately, he doesn't have anything to worry about, as he has complete "presidential immunity."  Declare everyone who opposes the MAGA agenda to be a terrorist, then "perform the duties of the office of President" by killing all of those people, and he won't even have to break a sweat.

Unfortunately the officers and enlisted men and women wont have immunity of we are flat out murdering these "drug runners".

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9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

SecWar needs it to slick his hair back. 

Legit lol'd.

9 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

Unfortunately the officers and enlisted men and women wont have immunity of we are flat out murdering these "drug runners".

When elephants fight, the grass suffers.

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30 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

...and all the oil.

Oh and then there will be a lot of fun with guerillas attacking platforms out in the lake.  And boots on the ground to protect American oil interests.  Where have we seen this before?  

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2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

It will be a nasty as war. Even if you take out Maduro and the core of the military, now you get guerillas. 

That is why I think our goal is going to be simple. Remove the government, take Maracaibo. 

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Surgical military strikes.

Regime change.

Enormously costly unwinnable engagement.

No people throwing flowers and chocolates to their American liberators.

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18 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

Oh, a carrier? Totally normal

On orders from a weekend Fox News host.

Sometimes I wonder how we're all still here. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Don't worry.  On the WAY off-chance that there's ever a Dem president again, they'll dial it WAY back....tied to the specific facts of that presidency or somesuch.

But yeah, as long as the POTUS is GQP, they intend for him to have greater powers than any king.  Seriously, check out the fucking Magna Carta, the goddamned English king had more restraints on his power than Trump does.

The only restraints on Trump are illusory ones he hasn't pushed against yet.

 

52 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I liked how Biden was president when that happened, and basically everyone immediately went straight to "Oh fuck, Trump!". Not one person actually worried that Biden would use that to his advantage. I don't think anyone even bothered pretending to.

I fucking would. I'd gather everyone of Trump's toadies into his gauche ball room to reward them for their service.

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One thing I have not heard mentioned ANYWHERE is this:

Aren’t a lot of “mules” not necessarily important members of the cartel? Am I way off in my belief that often, those individuals (fishermen, etc.) are forced to do that assignment?

I mean they get paid, but the whole “agreement” comes from the choice presented of “plata o plumo”.

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18 minutes ago, scottsins said:

One thing I have not heard mentioned ANYWHERE is this:

Aren’t a lot of “mules” not necessarily important members of the cartel? Am I way off in my belief that often, those individuals (fishermen, etc.) are forced to do that assignment?

I mean they get paid, but the whole “agreement” comes from the choice presented of “plata o plumo”.

Yes. If they actually are running drugs, which is completely unproven at this point, they are not asked to make these runs. They are told to make these runs.

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2 hours ago, scottsins said:

One thing I have not heard mentioned ANYWHERE is this:

Aren’t a lot of “mules” not necessarily important members of the cartel? Am I way off in my belief that often, those individuals (fishermen, etc.) are forced to do that assignment?

I mean they get paid, but the whole “agreement” comes from the choice presented of “plata o plumo”.

 

2 hours ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Yes. If they actually are running drugs, which is completely unproven at this point, they are not asked to make these runs. They are told to make these runs.

Yes and no. There is some of that. But there is also the payout and ability to get paid a lot than working in a cannery or gold mine. 

Plata y plomo usually applies to businesses and police/military. 

Most volunteer. I am not in agreement with the attacks. But lets be clear. A lot of those who do this, including American light aircraft pilots in the 1980's and 1990's did is for cash. 

An example. In the Chapare or Upper Huallaga the people who work at the pozos, where pasta basica is made, do it for jobs. They know their feet are going to rot up to their knees, but they do it. No one forces them. These are areas of incredible poverty and almost no infrastructure. So the kids take the jobs and walk on horrid chemicals (yeah, that is what is also going into your nose) until they can no longer do it. 

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And now Colombia. Sanction vs. the President, his family and members of the government. And a pretty large cut in assistance. Most of alternative development (but that was USAID) and yep, anti-narcotics. 

'We Do Not Kneel': Colombian President Defiant In Response To US Sanctions

They are/were are #1 ally in the region. 

"We do not kneel. We will not take a step back," Colombian President Gustavo Petro tells his supporters at a rally on Bolivar Square in Bogota, as he and his family are placed on a US sanctions list. The US Treasury has blacklisted Gustavo Petro, first lady Veronica Alcocer, his eldest son Nicolas, and Interior Minister Armando Benedetti, banning them from travel to the United States and freezing any US assets they hold. The rupture caps months of personal friction between US President Donald Trump and Petro over US deportations and strikes on suspected drug boats off the coast of South America.

https://www.barrons.com/news/we-do-not-kneel-colombian-president-defiant-in-response-to-us-sanctions-2670d3e5

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Maybe it’s been mentioned but where are the “drug” boats going to? Nearest US controlled island is a long way for a 25-35’ boat. 

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1 minute ago, Shaddie said:

Maybe it’s been mentioned but where are the “drug” boats going to? Nearest US controlled island is a long way for a 25-35’ boat. 

Usually if in the Caribbean to the Dominican Republic or Haiti. Then they re transport.

Pacific into Mexico. 

Some do make it to the US, which amazes me with the Maritime patrolling (air and sea) we do. 

Most drugs come in via ports on container ships or overland. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

Maybe it’s been mentioned but where are the “drug” boats going to? Nearest US controlled island is a long way for a 25-35’ boat. 

Canada, duh! No wait, Canada is where we get fentanyl…from Mexico?

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It’s 500 miles Caracas to Dominican Republic. 
 

Those boats ain’t making that unless they have 250-400 gallons of gas or another boat waiting for them. 

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12 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

It’s 500 miles Caracas to Dominican Republic. 
 

Those boats ain’t making that unless they have 250-400 gallons of gas or another boat waiting for them. 

They do. And the semi-submersibles are basically fuel, engine and storage. 

And yes, they do off load. 

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24 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Usually if in the Caribbean to the Dominican Republic or Haiti. Then they re transport.

Pacific into Mexico. 

Some do make it to the US, which amazes me with the Maritime patrolling (air and sea) we do. 

Most drugs come in via ports on container ships or overland. 

 

Also can be dropped at sea with a beacon and then picked up by a commercial vessel or yacht. Which then might try to go into port or try to get into territorial waters and the then drop again so small vessels that won’t go through customs can do a quick run to pick up. It’s a dynamic, it’s cheaper logistically to do one large shipment but less chance of interdiction to diversify routes.

Don’t get the situation wrong, these strikes are illegal and morally wrong but the boats (and for sure the semi-submersible that had survivors) are carrying drugs. 

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Also can be dropped at sea with a beacon and then picked up by a commercial vessel or yacht. Which then might try to go into port or try to get into territorial waters and the then drop again so small vessels that won’t go through customs can do a quick run to pick up. It’s a dynamic, it’s cheaper logistically to do one large shipment but less chance of interdiction to diversify routes.

Don’t get the situation wrong, these strikes are illegal and morally wrong but the boats (and for sure the semi-submersible that had survivors) are carrying drugs. 

Yes, that is the reference to off-loading. Hell they will dump them with a buoy to be picked up by a fishing vessel. Sometimes they wash up on US shores, hence cocaine infused alligators. 

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Usually if in the Caribbean to the Dominican Republic or Haiti. Then they re transport.
Pacific into Mexico. 
Some do make it to the US, which amazes me with the Maritime patrolling (air and sea) we do. 
Most drugs come in via ports on container ships or overland. 
 

I spent half a deployment doing Maritime patrol looking for “Go-fast” boats in the Caribbean and in the Eastern Pacific. You would be surprised how hard they are to find when trying to search a large area. We calling it mowing the lawn. We had a search area and went back and forth. It was miserable.
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18 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

They do. And the semi-submersibles are basically fuel, engine and storage. 

And yes, they do off load. 

They’ve built semi-submersibles that will do transatlantic and even South America to Solomon Islands. 

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3 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:


I spent half a deployment doing Maritime patrol looking for “Go-fast” boats in the Caribbean and in the Eastern Pacific. You would be surprised how hard they are to find when trying to search a large area. We calling it mowing the lawn. We had a search area and went back and forth. It was miserable.

For sure, and TARS does not see that far south. 

3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

They’ve built semi-submersibles that will do transatlantic and even South America to Solomon Islands. 

Have heard rumors of Brazil to East Africa, which is where a lot of the blow for Europe transits. 

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21 hours ago, Red Five said:

I liked how Biden was president when that happened, and basically everyone immediately went straight to "Oh fuck, Trump!". Not one person actually worried that Biden would use that to his advantage. I don't think anyone even bothered pretending to.

The day the ruling came out, Biden went on TV and told the country that he wouldn't abuse the power because he didn't believe in the ruling. 

He coulda done one thing first..

Posted
6 minutes ago, G650 said:

We keep blowing all these motherfuckers up where the hell I'm supposed to get my drugs at

Canada of course. The tariffs make them more expensive but oh well. 

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9 minutes ago, G650 said:

We keep blowing all these motherfuckers up where the hell I'm supposed to get my drugs at

Just go across into Mexico for some "dental treatment." 

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